sse Paradise Halls Enhanced (pahe) Special Edition with the customary addons

[kohlteth]

25 minutes ago, suzumera said:

everyone says diary of mine should be in the bottoms of pahe and its addons even chat gpt XD the problem its flagged as master guys i need help with that i did everything to know the answer and yeah am using tahrovin modelist and want to add pahe along with you got slave, hsh and dom anyone know the correct load order and thanx

 

Just set a rule in your mod manager to make it load after the others?

[suzumera]

what you mean by set it rule , how i do that and sry if its noobie question 

[Arthurj650]

Fellow slavers,

  I have a few questions.  Thanks for taking the time to even read this.  
 

1- Is it even possible to slave the bandits from yuriana mod, using their whips and spells, as well as using pahe way without have conflicting dialogue where one overrides the other.  I have no issues with this issue when it comes to the immersive wenches mod or duplicates of the same people captured. 
 

2- I found an armor that I would like to add the leashing effect as well as training to like the devious suit does.  How would I go about doing this?   When I comes to creating a patch or mod I’m a newb.  
 

once again thanks for any and all help. 

[TrollAutokill]

4 hours ago, suzumera said:

what you mean by set it rule , how i do that and sry if its noobie question 

Edit the esp with sseedit and remove the esm flag from the header. Save.

[suzumera]

Its already .esp but flagged as master with Whight thick line

 

EDIT yeah i found it but still dont know how to change it looks like i cant rename 

Edited May 4, 2023 by suzumera

[suzumera]

it works i just uncheck ESM and saved thank ❤️ 

 

i will keep my noobie post incase someone noob like me found it XD 

[TrollAutokill]

3 hours ago, suzumera said:

it works i just uncheck ESM and saved thank ❤️ 

 

i will keep my noobie post incase someone noob like me found it XD 

It will be corrected next update.

[suzumera]

from what i understand it should installed in game after pahe but when i start new game DOM auto installed while pahe installed later from MCM, is that ok ?

 

[Monoman1]

Hey there Mr. @CliftonJD

 

Would you mind if I was to reuse your 'TieUp-Exit' animation from PAH. I'm currently doing a soft hook from Wartimes. It'd be nice if everyone could use it. The alternative is to pop up to standing like a magician. 

 

I actually have a vague memory I've asked you this before and you said yes but damned if I can find the message...

 

[TrollAutokill]

2 hours ago, suzumera said:

from what i understand it should installed in game after pahe but when i start new game DOM auto installed while pahe installed later from MCM, is that ok ?

 

It's ok in my experience, but others had trouble with it. Next version will have the exam flagged from DoM removed.

 

See the DoM thread on how to do that yourself if it seems problematic.

[Bactrun]

Hello, I have the following bugs  1 telling slave to remove all items removes the physics also, smp or cbpc. 2 The mod does not see the items the slave has equipped, in my case ropes or other such items are not shown in the slave inventory but i can see them equipped, sending slaves to dom fixes this, but sending them back to pahe brings the bug back. Weirdly the undressing command also removes schlongs, all of them. I am using the 8.2 unpro.

Edited May 6, 2023 by Bactrun

[Will55]

I am having major problems in finding an excuse to punish slaves as despite the excellent ZBF gag and their 80% inability to reply I only rarely get the "I thought I told you...." reason. This IS major as slavery has ground to a halt until it is solved (as I only intend to keep 100 respect slaves and I have NONE out of 127 and hence none in the homes) and I cannot transfer anyone to HSH unless their respect is high and clearly, 65 is too low. Martok73 told me that gagging works and allows 100 to be easily reached,  but as I have tried about 10 different gags and found the best one, I cannot agree with that. DOM is installed but unticked both sides while HSH is running but is idling awaiting  the ONE 100 respect slave to train others.

 

The most important point I failed to make and that was that 65 respect was IMHO too low for slaves I intend to keep (e.g., as house slaves/guards etc.) .
I found this out in past runs when  it was obvious that they will still make snide remarks at 65 and it isn't just the sultry ones.

The whole respect thing seems pointless if 1) raising it is so difficult time wise; and 2) making the 100% effective level so high..

Now this latter may have been changed by CliftonJD and 65 may now be the desired upper limit required for cessation of the smarta**e comments, and hence pushing it past this may well be pointless. But I would just like to know this so I can actually do something else and so far from what I have noticed on this run, 65 respect IMO still seems far too low.

[Martok73]

On 5/10/2023 at 12:23 AM, Will55 said:

I am having major problems in finding an excuse to punish slaves as despite the excellent ZBF gag and their 80% inability to reply I only rarely get the "I thought I told you...." reason. This IS major as slavery has ground to a halt until it is solved (as I only intend to keep 100 respect slaves and I have NONE out of 127 and hence none in the homes) and I cannot transfer anyone to HSH unless their respect is high and clearly, 65 is too low. Martok73 told me that gagging works and allows 100 to be easily reached,  but as I have tried about 10 different gags and found the best one, I cannot agree with that. DOM is installed but unticked both sides while HSH is running but is idling awaiting  the ONE 100 respect slave to train others.

 

The most important point I failed to make and that was that 65 respect was IMHO too low for slaves I intend to keep (e.g., as house slaves/guards etc.) .
I found this out in past runs when  it was obvious that they will still make snide remarks at 65 and it isn't just the sultry ones.

The whole respect thing seems pointless if 1) raising it is so difficult time wise; and 2) making the 100% effective level so high..

Now this latter may have been changed by CliftonJD and 65 may now be the desired upper limit required for cessation of the smarta**e comments, and hence pushing it past this may well be pointless. But I would just like to know this so I can actually do something else and so far from what I have noticed on this run, 65 respect IMO still seems far too low.

Few questions, first, what is the sub level of the slave with the current highest respect stat? second, are you using a dd gag or a zaz gag? third, how many slaves do you have with you currently and where are you at trying to raise the respect stat?

 

From my own experience I've gotten the best results with either the huge dick gag (harness is full head), or the extreme ball gag (again harness fits over whole head), I think they are DD gags, but not 100% sure on that. I've also made sure to gag them immediately after enslaving, and at 40 sub, the "You will address me as a slave should" dialog option will trigger and be available, once it does, I stop doing anything to raise sub, and focus 100% on respect until it is maxed and the reason is sub will raise some while training respect and you don't really want it to go over the threshold where they stop trying to run away, as at that point they are effectively "broken" and it's much harder to get respect to go up.

 

Normally when I have my target slave, I'll get them down and enslave them, during the enslavement process I'll collar them, chain them, and gag them, and if in a dungeon tie them up on the spot so I don't accidentally kill them, then clear the place. If in a dungeon I'll go back to where I tied them up, and leaving them tied, I'll start with the punishment dialog and rape them until their sub is just over 40 to trigger the respect dialog. Sometimes they do talk normal even with a gag, so don't be alarmed if it happens, it's normal, but they still are gagged and as long as the sub level is below the run away threshold then respect will raise just fine. At least from my own experience anyway. Once I get that respect dialog, my process of "breaking" them begins, and welp, it's brutal, as when I'm dong a slaver playthrough where I'm specifically playing a character that makes their money on slaves and prostitution, that character is a complete bitch/bastard depending on gender.

 

After I tell them to address me properly the way a slave should, I completely back out of the dialog window/tree and walk away from them for a couple minutes. I honestly don't know if this helps or not but it works for me and may give the mod time for the scripts to fire and everything register properly. After a couple minutes, I'll walk back over and keep in mind the slave is collared with a PAHE iron collar, cuffed with the black zaz iron cuffs that put their hands behind their backs and cuffs on the ankles too, and I use the HSH dialog option to "tie them up" by using going thru that tree selecting the "get ready for the whip" option that has the chains going from the ceiling and the floor and has them in a X pose. I then stand close and open the dialog to talk to them, if they address you correctly you won't get the "I thought I told you to address me properly" dialog option, and most of the time the don't mumble from the gag when that happens either. So I back out of the convo, walk away for about a minute, then go back and try again. I repeat this until the dialog pops up and immediately select it, I then select the punishment options (when training respect never ever tell them they have to remember from now own, always punish them to raise the stat). Once I select punish, I rape them if female (mostly anal, seems to work better no idea why), and if male they get the whip, BUT, I don't actually use the whip, I use the shock spell sparks, it works much better and raises the stats faster, no clue why I just know it does, lol. If you do what I do with the spell, just tap the button to cast it in a short burst just enough to get their vocal response to being hit with it. I do this about 10-20 times, waiting just enough time between casts so the small dot that Sparks has falls off, making sure each cast gets that vocal response from the slave acknowledging they have been hit. This should get you around 20-30 pts in respect on the very first time doing it, sometimes a little more, I have gotten it to hit 40 respect the first go, but it's rare. If the slave doesn't have enough health you will have to use a heal other spell when they get low to keep from killing them until you have shocked them around 10-20 times. Once done, back away, walk around, a minute or so, then check them with the slave info spell, respect should have went up a good amount. Sometimes slave info spell can take more than a couple minutes to register the increase to the stats, but it'll get there. After that very first round of "training", I spend about 30 mins or so doing it over and over again the exact same way until that one single slave hits 100 respect, and they should hit around 60-70 submission as well, focusing strictly on punishing the slave via the "I told you to address me properly dialog" and not doing anything else or selecting any other dialog until they hit 100 respect.

 

Sometimes you have to back out of a convo if the dialog option doesn't appear and they actually talk to you right, lol, sometimes it goes faster than 30 minutes, sometimes it takes a little longer, it all comes down to the literal RNG of whether or not they mumble or use any words that are not "yes my thane" or similar when you "talk" to them to check the dialog window. Yes it's annoying but even with the gag, a slaves response when you start to talk to them is RNG sadly and certain responses won't trigger the right dialog to be able to "punish" them so ya gotta back out without selecting any dialog, (just hit escape), walk away, wait a minute and try again.

 

I only do this ONE time, as once I have a slave that has 100 respect, that one can train the next, and so forth until all of them have 100 respect. Once you are done with respect and have it at 100, then do the same process with submission always punishing them to finish raising it to 100, as it will be somewhere around 60 or 70ish by the time you finish with respect and, if it's a female char and you've been raping them while they are tied up, then they will have gained massive amounts of sex training as well, and it won't take long to finish that out. Just remember that punishment, ie rape, or shock/whip, will always raise stats faster than using the "Ok Slave" dialog options, and keeping them tied up while training them seems to work better as well, no idea why it just appears that way from my own experience with it. When I'm training a stat, be it sub or sex after respect is finished, I always use the dialog option of "You need to be punished", it's just more efficient, and like I said, my true slaver characters are not nice at all, and every npc in Skyrim will vouche for that, LOL.

 

I know this was long, but I do hope that it all made sense and helps you out and if you have any questions, as always feel free to ask away and I'll do my best to answer. ?

 

 

BTW @CliftonJD haven't seen or heard from you on here in a good while now, getting worried about you, I hope you are ok and doing well, give us a shout and let us know you are ok, please. ?

[Zacktheshark]

When trying to rename a slave it freezes the game

[Will55]

 

I  have found a new problem with PAHE.....................new in that I have not met it before.

If a slave is already 100sub/pose it becomes very hard to push respect past 65 as Martok73 made clear to me via his posts.

A way around this that appears to work 70% of the time is reclone them in the PAHE MCM.

Simply remove their restraints first as they retain all else. Then restrain once they re-appear.

This re-allows the warning to  be polite and allows the subsequent punishments for errors and without  a gag.

I have used it on 10 slaves to get them all to hundred respect within minutes. BUT THREE of the recloned slaves disappeared from PAHE

and were replaced by the infamous numbered empty space with the 0 level invisible male standing "next" to my char.

 

I had to go to the Bondage house and seek out the three, find their new reflex ids and TP them to the desired house cell and making all three HSH trainers.

I am just hoping that transfer back to PAHE for them is possible as all 3 are high level NightLord Vampires and I do not wish to lose them.

 

Integrating HSH with PAHE has been incredibly interesting and a real challenge for my limited ken.

 

ADDENDUM:

This bug(it really is a nuisance rather than a bug IMHO) is easily avoided by 2 precautions: 1) make certain that the method is used IN the slave's holding cell and not when she is moved  elsewhere; & 2) ALWAYS make a quick save before using it, just in case.

 

I have in <90min now pushed 12 slaves who had been at 100 sub/pose for months RT,  to 100 respect each in <10mins using this method and no mask or HSH trainer were required. I only had to reload once. Do note that they do jump to the bottom of the PAHE MCM  slave list as you would expect.

 

Update:

It failed with 2 of the 3 slave-worthy Forsworn from the Cidhna mine quest. Nana Ildene and Uaie  after recloning, despite both appearing on the PAHE MCM as slaves, were decidedly not slaves and when I did paralyze them both to re-enslave them they had normal nonslave speechlines only available.

However Kaie worked as usual. IIRC CliftonJD had to make this possible for Kaie but a the other two  normally rarely survive the quest it was not done.

However I will try the "old fashioned way" and if that fails off to HSH and a trainer for both of them. In addition Kaie after transfer to HSH and told to train a slave did so but then lacked the usual HSH speech lines until I used debug. IMO lesser uniques will be a problem with the recloning method as they seem to lack the needed PAHE/HSH speech lines. While being trained as a slave and at 65 Respect Nana Ildene who is now(thx to a mod) quite young and pretty fled and her trainer had to restrain her to train her.

 

Warning!

Sometimes recloning will have NO real obvious effect other than the name change and the MCM position change. NPs Simply repeat the reclone and it will always work eventually. I just did so a minute ago.

As well, and this can make it "interesting" for low level chars,if you reclone a pregnant slave (in the 2  cases I met,  vampire slaves) a ghost may well appear ands attack you. But the pregnancy remains present.???

 

NOTE! The "failure of the recloning to work" may well have an easily avoided cause: once recloned I always revert the new name back to the previous one so I do not lose track of who is whom (their reflex ids are also different as you would expect). It seems that IF you change the name immediately after recloning and before you tell the slave how to talk to you or even before hitting 100 respect,  then the recloning effect will fail. I had to reclone a slave twice before the penny dropped.

Since then no problems. How this could occur is beyond me but it would seem that PAHE takes notice of then name as opposed to the id. Strange IMO.

Edited May 20, 2023 by Will55

[SideVampire]

Hey idk if anyone has had a similar issue but i'm having a bug where the head tracking from  true directional movement breaks when releasing a restrained slave through the "Remove Restraint" dialogue so the slave and my player keep on constantly looking at each other. I've been able to consistently repeat the bug and tried the other options from the slave dialogue and nothing seems to cause the issue, and neither does it seems to happen when giving similar commands to non slave followers. 

Any help is much appreciated

[Will55]

On 5/11/2023 at 7:56 PM, Martok73 said:

Few questions, first, what is the sub level of the slave with the current highest respect stat? second, are you using a dd gag or a zaz gag? third, how many slaves do you have with you currently and where are you at trying to raise the respect stat?

Apologies for the tardy reply and thank you for your effort.

I reply in detail as it ,may help others

 

Excluding Alva who developed a nasty SSE bug (no interface possible) and had to be recloned and reached 100 respect in minutes...ages ago.

I never thought to use her to train as LVM is not PAHE territory and I had not started on the vampire slaves.

 

Before the current success it was 82 in a 100sub heavily beaten DW NM slave.

ZBF face mask so far it seems the best one for me.

Number varies: 22 in Adventurers basement. 20 in Calixtos former home, 25+ in Tundra homestead cellar. Remainder in Lakeview manor cellar or the Bondage house.

I tried in all of these locations above as well as Cromgungr cave and probably some other cleared locations.

On 5/11/2023 at 7:56 PM, Martok73 said:

From my own experience I've gotten the best results with either the huge dick gag (harness is full head), or the extreme ball gag (again harness fits over whole head), I think they are DD gags, but not 100% sure on that. I've also made sure to gag them immediately after enslaving, and at 40 sub, the "You will address me as a slave should" dialog option will trigger and be available, once it does, I stop doing anything to raise sub, and focus 100% on respect until it is maxed and the reason is sub will raise some while training respect and you don't really want it to go over the threshold where they stop trying to run away, as at that point they are effectively "broken" and it's much harder to get respect to go up.

Nice point that.

On 5/11/2023 at 7:56 PM, Martok73 said:

 

Normally when I have my target slave, I'll get them down and enslave them, during the enslavement process I'll collar them, chain them, and gag them, and if in a dungeon tie them up on the spot so I don't accidentally kill them, then clear the place. If in a dungeon I'll go back to where I tied them up, and leaving them tied, I'll start with the punishment dialog and rape them until their sub is just over 40 to trigger the respect dialog. Sometimes they do talk normal even with a gag, so don't be alarmed if it happens, it's normal, but they still are gagged and as long as the sub level is below the run away threshold then respect will raise just fine. At least from my own experience anyway. Once I get that respect dialog, my process of "breaking" them begins, and welp, it's brutal, as when I'm dong a slaver playthrough where I'm specifically playing a character that makes their money on slaves and prostitution, that character is a complete bitch/bastard depending on gender.

Never been able to role play really well..AFAIAC a slave who is enemy and tries to kill my char is lucky to be alive...BUT! They do "grow" on you over time

On 5/11/2023 at 7:56 PM, Martok73 said:

After I tell them to address me properly the way a slave should, I completely back out of the dialog window/tree and walk away from them for a couple minutes. I honestly don't know if this helps or not but it works for me and may give the mod time for the scripts to fire and everything register properly. After a couple minutes, I'll walk back over and keep in mind the slave is collared with a PAHE iron collar, cuffed with the black zaz iron cuffs that put their hands behind their backs and cuffs on the ankles too, and I use the HSH dialog option to "tie them up" by using going thru that tree selecting the "get ready for the whip" option that has the chains going from the ceiling and the floor and has them in a X pose. I then stand close and open the dialog to talk to them, if they address you correctly you won't get the "I thought I told you to address me properly" dialog option, and most of the time the don't mumble from the gag when that happens either. So I back out of the convo, walk away for about a minute, then go back and try again. I repeat this until the dialog pops up and immediately select it, I then select the punishment options (when training respect never ever tell them they have to remember from now own, always punish them to raise the stat). Once I select punish, I rape them if female (mostly anal, seems to work better no idea why), and if male they get the whip, BUT, I don't actually use the whip, I use the shock spell sparks, it works much better and raises the stats faster, no clue why I just know it does, lol. If you do what I do with the spell, just tap the button to cast it in a short burst just enough to get their vocal response to being hit with it. I do this about 10-20 times, waiting just enough time between casts so the small dot that Sparks has falls off, making sure each cast gets that vocal response from the slave acknowledging they have been hit. This should get you around 20-30 pts in respect on the very first time doing it, sometimes a little more, I have gotten it to hit 40 respect the first go, but it's rare. If the slave doesn't have enough health you will have to use a heal other spell when they get low to keep from killing them until you have shocked them around 10-20 times. Once done, back away, walk around, a minute or so, then check them with the slave info spell, respect should have went up a good amount. Sometimes slave info spell can take more than a couple minutes to register the increase to the stats, but it'll get there. After that very first round of "training", I spend about 30 mins or so doing it over and over again the exact same way until that one single slave hits 100 respect, and they should hit around 60-70 submission as well, focusing strictly on punishing the slave via the "I told you to address me properly dialog" and not doing anything else or selecting any other dialog until they hit 100 respect.

Backing out of a conversation via TAB is an interesting point...thank you for that. I think that I do it on occasions automatically but not by design.

On 5/11/2023 at 7:56 PM, Martok73 said:

 

Sometimes you have to back out of a convo if the dialog option doesn't appear and they actually talk to you right, lol, sometimes it goes faster than 30 minutes, sometimes it takes a little longer, it all comes down to the literal RNG of whether or not they mumble or use any words that are not "yes my thane" or similar when you "talk" to them to check the dialog window. Yes it's annoying but even with the gag, a slaves response when you start to talk to them is RNG sadly and certain responses won't trigger the right dialog to be able to "punish" them so ya gotta back out without selecting any dialog, (just hit escape), walk away, wait a minute and try again.

On 5/11/2023 at 7:56 PM, Martok73 said:

 

I only do this ONE time, as once I have a slave that has 100 respect, that one can train the next, and so forth until all of them have 100 respect. Once you are done with respect and have it at 100, then do the same process with submission always punishing them to finish raising it to 100, as it will be somewhere around 60 or 70ish by the time you finish with respect and, if it's a female char and you've been raping them while they are tied up, then they will have gained massive amounts of sex training as well, and it won't take long to finish that out. Just remember that punishment, ie rape, or shock/whip, will always raise stats faster than using the "Ok Slave" dialog options, and keeping them tied up while training them seems to work better as well, no idea why it just appears that way from my own experience with it. When I'm training a stat, be it sub or sex after respect is finished, I always use the dialog option of "You need to be punished", it's just more efficient, and like I said, my true slaver characters are not nice at all, and every npc in Skyrim will vouche for that, LOL.

 

I know this was long, but I do hope that it all made sense and helps you out and if you have any questions, as always feel free to ask away and I'll do my best to answer. ?

It has helped quite  a bit. I have not repeated your method but made a variation of it and so far it seems to be working although hindered by the PAHE bug above

On 5/11/2023 at 7:56 PM, Martok73 said:

BTW @CliftonJD haven't seen or heard from you on here in a good while now, getting worried about you, I hope you are ok and doing well, give us a shout and let us know you are ok, please. ?

 

Seconded! I think that he is having a well deserved vacation away for Skyrim as PAHE 8.2 is the best version by far and we all know of and appreciate his efforts.

Edited May 15, 2023 by Will55

[SideVampire]

14 hours ago, SideVampire said:

Hey idk if anyone has had a similar issue but i'm having a bug where the head tracking from  true directional movement breaks when releasing a restrained slave through the "Remove Restraint" dialogue so the slave and my player keep on constantly looking at each other. I've been able to consistently repeat the bug and tried the other options from the slave dialogue and nothing seems to cause the issue, and neither does it seems to happen when giving similar commands to non slave followers. 

Any help is much appreciated

So, for anyone having headtracking issues as well i found that telling slaves to wait and then teleporting away and then back to tell them to follow works fine as it seems to reset the head tracking.

[Lady Wintrish]

On 5/16/2023 at 1:34 AM, SideVampire said:

So, for anyone having headtracking issues as well i found that telling slaves to wait and then teleporting away and then back to tell them to follow works fine as it seems to reset the head tracking.

I'm having the same issue. Seems that the dialogue command "remove restraints" cause the bug. 

Anyway i have a question: i am at the Fellglow Camp,, how can i sell a slave?

[Will55]

39 minutes ago, Sheogorath- said:

I'm having the same issue. Seems that the dialogue command "remove restraints" cause the bug. 

Anyway i have a question: i am at the Fellglow Camp,, how can i sell a slave?

The NPC to talk to is Jerrick?jerrard/ etc or close. His outfits shows his wealth.  Follow the tunnel to the main room

His home is to the left when you enter the main room, and  at the end or a corridor with its resident pretty slave bed warmer. Tell him that you have a slave to seel and he will  go through the main room to the next one with its cages and  he will ask you to show him the slave. You then TP the slave in and tell it that it vis up for sale and it will climb onto the platform and he will look at it (it is shorter than him/her) and give you a price.

 

Sometimes he can be in either of the 2 large rooms and then you must look for him.

Don't bother asking anyone there as it is waste of time.

[Lady Wintrish]

39 minutes ago, Will55 said:

The NPC to talk to is Jerrick?jerrard/ etc or close. His outfits shows his wealth.  Follow the tunnel to the main room

His home is to the left when you enter the main room, and  at the end or a corridor with its resident pretty slave bed warmer. Tell him that you have a slave to seel and he will  go through the main room to the next one with its cages and  he will ask you to show him the slave. You then TP the slave in and tell it that it vis up for sale and it will climb onto the platform and he will look at it (it is shorter than him/her) and give you a price.

 

Sometimes he can be in either of the 2 large rooms and then you must look for him.

Don't bother asking anyone there as it is waste of time.

Found him. The interaction is very good and realistic.

Anyway for the True Directional Movement bug simply disable the Headtracking feature from the MCM before removing restraints and then enable it. Works for me.

[ShadowProctor]

In the interest of looking out for my fellow slavers, I've created a few mods that add some places to keep your slaves that I designed specifically for use with PAHE. Hope it's no trouble to drop a few links to them here? Between the three of them, you'll have 6 more places to keep and train slaves.

Simple Slave Cellars

Hearthfire Menageries
(My Hearthfire Menageries mod is a replacement for my PAHE Lakeview Manor Cellar Redone/Prison mod(s), and they're incompatible. You have to choose one or the other. This one adds a place to all 3 Hearthfire homes though, and is much better in my opinion.)

Ironback Hideout - Slaver's Edition

[jaxson12345]

how do i get rid of the range based fog wall in the lake view manor cellar? if i stand at the throne and look down the hall i cant see the end . about half way down the hall its just a fog wall the same color as the sky box in there but it moves with me. so if i approach it. it just moves back. i have tried with the lake view patch with out it and with unique displays + patch installed. and i just cant fix it anyone know whats causing this?

[gagagoug]

So you mention that to start it all I need to go to Ferengar's study. Where exactly are the cuffs? Can't find them.

 

[vhiznu]

23 hours ago, gagagoug said:

So you mention that to start it all I need to go to Ferengar's study. Where exactly are the cuffs? Can't find them.

 

The left room with the books...on the table you'll find some slaver starter kit tools (lol)