sse Paradise Halls Enhanced (pahe) Special Edition with the customary addons

[TrollAutokill]

22 minutes ago, kadsend said:

The tie up command is coming from HSH and in my game is bugged (They at maximum kneel like that). Be sure to use DOM overwriting everything, I found out, even if you won't use it, make the PAH scripts more workable. I do not recommend toying with save script cleaning, it breaks everything. If you have a virgin save, try only overwriting everything with DOM. It solved my issue. Other thing to note is that releasing slaves automatically change the ref on this actor, meaning that their dialogue.. everything will break if you try to res them...
 

TLDR: Download and install DOM, make it overwrite Every PAH mod related you have. And use a clean save, the try enslaving... everything might work (except the posing for "I'm going to tie you up" dialogue).

DoM 4 doesn't overwrite anything from PAH. If you have problems with PAH try a fresh save with just PAH, no extensions (except the SL extension), let it initialize save, reload and try to reproduce the problem.

[Es.Ell.]

I have PAHE and DOM.

Any way to transfer a SPECIFIC slave to DOM once that slave has been sent to PAHE? In MCM menu of DOH, I can see an option to transfer your whole group, but not singles.

I captured and trained Olava's Niece and another slave in DOM. Now I only want to send the other to PAHE.

[kadsend]

1 hour ago, Es.Ell. said:

I have PAHE and DOM.

Any way to transfer a SPECIFIC slave to DOM once that slave has been sent to PAHE? In MCM menu of DOH, I can see an option to transfer your whole group, but not singles.

I captured and trained Olava's Niece and another slave in DOM. Now I only want to send the other to PAHE.

There should be a dialogue option... I forgot it but I'm pretty sure that it's in parenthesis (to PAHE/to DOM).

[Es.Ell.]

2 hours ago, kadsend said:

There should be a dialogue option... I forgot it but I'm pretty sure that it's in parenthesis (to PAHE/to DOM).

Yes I see it. I Understand. Thank You

[Will55]

19 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

DoM 4 doesn't overwrite anything from PAH. If you have problems with PAH try a fresh save with just PAH, no extensions (except the SL extension), let it initialize save, reload and try to reproduce the problem.

Having done just that ( fresh save with just PAH, no extensions (except the SL extension), let it initialize) everything returned to normal and she is now a proper slave with wear/speech line and MCM slave info intact So I cleaned that save and will initialize the other esps  gradually to see if it re-occurs and which one is responsible.

Many thanks! Now I guess that I am obliged (in this SSE run) to try DOM again . I think that it is very good but it just takes over. But then so do TDF and PAH *groans*....masochism beckons.

 

Addendum...I replaced all removed files with their recent upgrades (HSH/AYGAS and discovered the very useful Bondage House) but still  no idea as to what caused the initial mayhem. But it all seems to be working correctly...*holds breath * 

Edited March 10, 2023 by Will55

[Nohrin]

Are there any settings or console commands to increase the speed slaves gain training? I had a few of my well trained slaves slip out of the framework (returned to my HSH house after a while, and they were no longer in either framework) and would like to get them back to where they were quickly.

[Helandor]

Hellas,

 

one short question: Why does PAHE copying and doubling (and untranslating ofc) so many Dialog Topics, especially those from the Dark Brotherhood?

For Example: FormID 00020012, doubled to XXX12e3d and so on...

 

I have alot of work to do to re-translate into German, and I don't see any sensefull reason for this "practice". It seems just like a blow-up of the file volume

[gardelucina]

I enslaved Nilsine but I can't do anything with her because he just gives the same dialogue of not wanting to speak with me

[Martianman]

On 3/7/2023 at 12:51 AM, Martianman686 said:

Hey I just updated to this version and the latest versions of Home Sweet Home and "And You Get a Slave" mods, and for some reason I'm having a glitch where slaves dont react after I load a game when I have a slave following me. The enslave function works in the game and the slaves react normally, but if I load the save file it seems to break the connection to the slaves. PAHE still registers them as a slave in the MCM and they have the dialogue options and they verbally respond, but they don't carry out any of the actions (besides sex actions) and they don't leash to me or follow me, they just stand still. 

Anyone know what the issue is? I think I have the same load order as the old versions of these three mods. 

The newest update fixed this issue, thanks!

[Martok73]

On 3/18/2023 at 12:38 AM, gardelucina said:

I enslaved Nilsine but I can't do anything with her because he just gives the same dialogue of not wanting to speak with me

I have the exact same issue, had the quest from Muiri to kill her and Alain Dufont, tried several different ways. Killed him first then enslaved her, enslaved her first then killed him, even tried killing both then enslaving her thru the PAH Mark keybind that will rez and enslave. no luck at all with her. Also for whatever reason the only option I ever had to enslave her was "Enslave Follower", no matter what settings I tried nor how I tried to enslave her. She is stuck with the dialog of refusing to talk to you after you either tell her you are going to kill her, or tease her about her sister or say nothing, doesn't matter, nothing unlocks her as a normal slave she stays stuck in dialog of refusing to talk.

 

The only way I got it to work once you have the quest "Mourning Never Comes" running and active in your quest log, is to kill both Alain Dufont, and Nilsine, then take her body with you, turn in the quest to Muiri, then return to Astrid and finish the quest. Once that quest is out of your journal and complete, then you can use the "Mark" key on her corpse to "rez" her, activate her, and enslave her. She will then work as a normal slave from that point on but you can not have "Mourning Never Comes" active at all. I'm am assuming it would work the same if you enslaved her before obtaining the quest to kill her as the game sees her as dead, but I have not tried it that way yet.

 

 

@CliftonJD Can you take a look at Nilsine Shatter-Shield like you did with the others and fix her please and thank you. I also have another issue that literally just popped up a couple days ago. When adding HSH dialog to PAH slaves you have an option to "tie up" a slave thru HSH, and it was working perfectly, but for whatever reason now it's not. The only thing I have changed in my load order was adding Dragonborn Voice Over so my character could talk. What is occuring when selecting that dialog to tie a slave up, is when you choose either the "that bottom of yours needs attention" or "ready for the whip", to "tie" the slave in a different pose from the normal PAH tied on their knees pose, it briefly plays the correct animation but within a second or two reverts the slave to the pah on their knees pose instead of either the X pose, or the face down bottom up pose of HSH. If that is abit confusing I can include screenshots in at different post.

[Will55]

On 3/20/2023 at 12:52 PM, Martok73 said:

 

@CliftonJD Can you take a look at Nilsine Shatter-Shield like you did with the others and fix her please and thank you. 

I have yet to reach that point but in past runs I duplicated Nilsine then killed her duplicate (and tried the same thing with Tova...fail!) but Nisline would not come near my char (SLEN4 by then) and accused him of attacking her etc. Even when enslaved the speech was the same for the original. Personally I can find NO way to keep both Tova and Nilsine alive and to satisfy Muiri at the same time. The quest is totally heartless for the Shatter Shields as the old man is already broken even before all this. Of course, now that Tova and Nilsine have both been upgraded it also seems an absolute waste of talent. 

Edited March 21, 2023 by Will55

[Will55]

I still use the older Lakeview manor cell upgrade (26/12/21 98KBs) as my by far preferred cellar at LVM. I installed the dungeon mod for the other two homes but frankly I have dungeons galore now that I use the Bondage House and I need more pleasant sites to place 100 sub etc slaves, rather than dungeons and frankly I think that the dungeon mod  while well done. is unpleasant unless miserable slaves is your aim.

 

Is it possible to duplicate the LVM esp for the other two Hearthfire homes? Or would it be easier to expand the esp to include all three?

I looked at the esp in SSEedit and the CKit and gulped as it is well out of my league.

Edited March 21, 2023 by Will55

[kohlteth]

1 hour ago, Will55 said:

I still use the older Lakeview manor cell upgrade (26/12/21 98KBs) as my by far preferred cellar at LVM. I installed the dungeon mod for the other two homes but frankly I have dungeons galore now that I use the Bondage House and I need more pleasant sites to place 100 sub etc slaves, rather than dungeons and frankly I think that the dungeon mod  while well done. is unpleasant unless miserable slaves is your aim.

 

Is it possible to duplicate the LVM esp for the other two Hearthfire homes? Or would it be easier to expand the esp to include all three?

I looked at the esp in SSEedit and the CKit and gulped as it is well out of my league.

 

 

If you go to schaken mods and look for Slavers Guild, that maybe up your street (cant post link here cos I guess someone in past did a bad thing and uploaded an LL only mod there. 

 

also could try https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/37817 

 

or https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/2878

Edited March 21, 2023 by kohlteth

[Will55]

1 hour ago, kohlteth said:

 

 

If you go to schaken mods and look for Slavers Guild, that maybe up your street (cant post link here cos I guess someone in past did a bad thing and uploaded an LL only mod there. 

 

also could try https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/37817 

 

or https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/2878

Thank you for those but I have 6 homes already and will have 12 by the time I am finished and I only want something similar to the LVM cellar for the other HF homes.

WRT Shaken mods, I tried several times over 12 months to "join" and failed . As well, every mail I sent to their admins was ignored. At no stage did I say or do anything that deserved such.

I assumed that it was because I use a VPN but dropping it had no effect.

IIRC I tried again some months ago but had the same blocked result. As the email account I use for gaming is very limited in its use i have no idea as to why they are being so difficult and frankly I no longer care. Months ago  here someone discussed one of their files and i asked was it possible to obtain it via private mail but received no reply, and it seems that they are close to paranoid about something and have a poor idea of how to make friends.

[Martianman]

Hey the update has been great so far! I'm wondering if anyone can help me with a small issue (which may just be a fix for the mod). For some reason sexlab seems to forget the assigned voices for npcs each time I load a save. If I set the assigned voice then it works for that play session, but when I reload any save with this mod active the voices randomize. Does anyone know a fix?

[kohlteth]

11 hours ago, Will55 said:

Thank you for those but I have 6 homes already and will have 12 by the time I am finished and I only want something similar to the LVM cellar for the other HF homes.

WRT Shaken mods, I tried several times over 12 months to "join" and failed . As well, every mail I sent to their admins was ignored. At no stage did I say or do anything that deserved such.

I assumed that it was because I use a VPN but dropping it had no effect.

IIRC I tried again some months ago but had the same blocked result. As the email account I use for gaming is very limited in its use i have no idea as to why they are being so difficult and frankly I no longer care. Months ago  here someone discussed one of their files and i asked was it possible to obtain it via private mail but received no reply, and it seems that they are close to paranoid about something and have a poor idea of how to make friends.

 

 

There is this maybe cos I know @EinarrTheRed has not yet done an SSE vers of the LVM one yet, this may do in the meantime

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/40017?tab=files

[Martok73]

17 hours ago, Will55 said:

I have yet to reach that point but in past runs I duplicated Nilsine then killed her duplicate (and tried the same thing with Tova...fail!) but Nisline would not come near my char (SLEN4 by then) and accused him of attacking her etc. Even when enslaved the speech was the same for the original. Personally I can find NO way to keep both Tova and Nilsine alive and to satisfy Muiri at the same time. The quest is totally heartless for the Shatter Shields as the old man is already broken even before all this. Of course, now that Tova and Nilsine have both been upgraded it also seems an absolute waste of talent. 

The only way I have been able to enslave Nilsine is "IF" you are on the quest "Mourning Never Comes", you must kill her, put her body where it won't disappear, turn in the quest completely all the way to talking to Astrid and triggering the next quest, and then you can use PAHE's "mark" hotkey to rez/enslave her and she will function normally. If you have not got the quest to kill yet, and are planning to do that quest, then you have to wait until you get the quest and follow the steps above. If you have no plans on doing the quest ever, then she will not trigger the dialog that turns her into a "don't talk to me bitch", and will function as a normal slave. As for Tova, I've used the same method on her to enslave her. Wait until "Mourning Never Comes" is fully complete and out of the quest journal, then go to her house and find her dead body and use the PAHE "Mark" hotkey to rez/enslave her and she will function as a normal slave. Hopefully whenever @CliftonJD comes back he will be able to fix them the same way that he fixed Gabriella, Vex and the others that can trigger "stop dialog".

 

Hope this helps, cheers mate. ?

Edited March 22, 2023 by Martok73

[grosaprap]

18 hours ago, Will55 said:

I still use the older Lakeview manor cell upgrade (26/12/21 98KBs) as my by far preferred cellar at LVM. I installed the dungeon mod for the other two homes but frankly I have dungeons galore now that I use the Bondage House and I need more pleasant sites to place 100 sub etc slaves, rather than dungeons and frankly I think that the dungeon mod  while well done. is unpleasant unless miserable slaves is your aim.

 

Is it possible to duplicate the LVM esp for the other two Hearthfire homes? Or would it be easier to expand the esp to include all three?

I looked at the esp in SSEedit and the CKit and gulped as it is well out of my league.

 

I'm in the middle of looking for the post/comment I found early pandemic times for another Hearthfire based mod that I could have sworn was on LL, but in it they gave instructions on how to import/mix&match cellar parts from different mods so you could have a different setup for each Hearthfire home. If I find it, I'll link it here for you. You _should_ be able to adapt the ideas from that for this.

[Will55]

7 hours ago, kohlteth said:

 

 

There is this maybe cos I know @EinarrTheRed has not yet done an SSE vers of the LVM one yet, this may do in the meantime

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/40017?tab=files

Thank you for that. But that is the "prison" mod that I dislike, as with the Simple Farmhouse, the Dawnstar similar ( I have the eastern one as well but have not yet tried it) and the  superb Bondage house (enables rapid disposal of new slaves) mods, not to mention Modified Vuoksi, I have enough prison space for 128 already.

In actual fact I have the Windstadt and Heljarchen esps for that mod merged and installed but I just do not like it and modifying it can be disastrous thanks to fake walls and invisible walls (not tried on this run...I do learn ).

 

What I am after is a more relaxed, but still confined areas. I have modified the Tundra homestead cellar and it now has beds for near 30 plus slaves with cooking, anvil, alc and ench apps available for those who like to idle that way. Likewise I have converted Clalixto's former home into a Thalmor slave den with beds for a 12+ slaves plus  idle apps. Once a slave has submitted, and has respect >65 I see no point in prison bars or restraint unless deserved. However if ingame slavery is a business then I can see the point of prisons as respect is pointless with that degree of mass production turnover. I tend to keep well over half of the slaves and employ them in the houses once trusted although with the usual  followers present they seem to work mostly on their backs. 

Edited March 22, 2023 by Will55

[Will55]

5 hours ago, Martok73 said:

The only way I have been able to enslave Nilsine is "IF" you are on the quest "Mourning Never Comes", you must kill her, put her body where it won't disappear, turn in the quest completely all the way to talking to Astrid and triggering the next quest, and then you can use PAHE's "mark" hotkey to rez/enslave her and she will function normally. If you have not got the quest to kill yet, and are planning to do that quest, then you have to wait until you get the quest and follow the steps above. If you have no plans on doing the quest ever, then she will not trigger the dialog that turns her into a "don't talk to me bitch", and will function as a normal slave. As for Tova, I've used the same method on her to enslave her. Wait until "Mourning Never Comes" is fully complete and out of the quest journal, then go to her house and find her dead body and use the PAHE "Mark" hotkey to rez/enslave her and she will function as a normal slave. Hopefully whenever @CliftonJD comes back he will be able to fix them the same way that he fixed Gabriella, Vex and the others that can trigger "stop dialog".

 

Hope this helps, cheers mate. ?

It does. Thank you!  Now I only have to find a way to make her husband less unhappy....almost tempted to take him down into the Skooma den with its 6 naked female slaves and large supply of skooma...or I could just make him a skooma based "ale" (yes I know...not possible....pity!). Or I can make  Tova and Nilsine into hookers and they can refresh his memories and ardor...."you seem vaguely familiar to me, especially that moan"

[Will55]

6 hours ago, grosaprap said:

 

I'm in the middle of looking for the post/comment I found early pandemic times for another Hearthfire based mod that I could have sworn was on LL, but in it they gave instructions on how to import/mix&match cellar parts from different mods so you could have a different setup for each Hearthfire home. If I find it, I'll link it here for you. You _should_ be able to adapt the ideas from that for this.

Thank You. I must warn you that I am a digital moron and deliberately so as i have far too much on my "learning plate" as it is already. I can handle basic moron level merges etc. and even venture into SSEedit on occasions but only for one line changes. I play to relax and I find it funny that  it doesn't seem to always work out that way.

 

There is one HF cellar extension mod that (one of the ones far above IIRC)I used previously. It gives 3 rooms accessed by the previously closed doorway to your left at the bottom of the stairs. It could have been a perfect addon to the LVM PAH esp BUT one cell from each mod overlapped and that caused major problems. So, I used the individual esps for Windstadt and Heljarchen but really the rooms are too small to be of much use unless you want prison cells and I have enough of those. 

 

About to close when i had a thought:

WRT the prison mod, I suppose that it could be possible to remove all of the torture gear and add beds and apps and to make the cells more comfortable by doing a general makeover...including removing that respawning vampire(I removed the cage but she still popped...again). The torture victim is impossible to help in any way and a quick death seems the only possibility there. The central room (3 lever one) with its right hand cell on the right has a major clipping problem with one of the cells in the first section and placing beds there can have "strange" effects. I do not know how the modder could have missed this as falling through the floor and dying makes you aware of it.  but then I know nothing and could never do better.

 

I just checked the mod page and apparently there is a good chance that player added modifications do NOT save (bug report) so that seems tol cap it all. I may test that minimally.

 

Edited March 22, 2023 by Will55

[kohlteth]

8 hours ago, Will55 said:

Thank You. I must warn you that I am a digital moron and deliberately so as i have far too much on my "learning plate" as it is already. I can handle basic moron level merges etc. and even venture into SSEedit on occasions but only for one line changes. I play to relax and I find it funny that  it doesn't seem to always work out that way.

 

There is one HF cellar extension mod that (one of the ones far above IIRC)I used previously. It gives 3 rooms accessed by the previously closed doorway to your left at the bottom of the stairs. It could have been a perfect addon to the LVM PAH esp BUT one cell from each mod overlapped and that caused major problems. So, I used the individual esps for Windstadt and Heljarchen but really the rooms are too small to be of much use unless you want prison cells and I have enough of those. 

 

About to close when i had a thought:

WRT the prison mod, I suppose that it could be possible to remove all of the torture gear and add beds and apps and to make the cells more comfortable by doing a general makeover...including removing that respawning vampire(I removed the cage but she still popped...again). The torture victim is impossible to help in any way and a quick death seems the only possibility there. The central room (3 lever one) with its right hand cell on the right has a major clipping problem with one of the cells in the first section and placing beds there can have "strange" effects. I do not know how the modder could have missed this as falling through the floor and dying makes you aware of it.  but then I know nothing and could never do better.

 

I just checked the mod page and apparently there is a good chance that player added modifications do NOT save (bug report) so that seems tol cap it all. I may test that minimally.

 

 

 

 

[gardelucina]

Btw, how do you guys use PAHe and it's add ons? I mostly use HSH after getting my slaves to my home, but I don't think that's how others use it, because it seems DoM has uses that are like HSH, and even PAHe have the sandbox option. So I'm just curious what do you guys tend to do?

[Martok73]

10 hours ago, Will55 said:

It does. Thank you!  Now I only have to find a way to make her husband less unhappy....almost tempted to take him down into the Skooma den with its 6 naked female slaves and large supply of skooma...or I could just make him a skooma based "ale" (yes I know...not possible....pity!). Or I can make  Tova and Nilsine into hookers and they can refresh his memories and ardor...."you seem vaguely familiar to me, especially that moan"

Glad to help, and good luck with the husband, lol.

[gardelucina]

13 hours ago, Will55 said:

It does. Thank you!  Now I only have to find a way to make her husband less unhappy....almost tempted to take him down into the Skooma den with its 6 naked female slaves and large supply of skooma...or I could just make him a skooma based "ale" (yes I know...not possible....pity!). Or I can make  Tova and Nilsine into hookers and they can refresh his memories and ardor...."you seem vaguely familiar to me, especially that moan"

What skooma deen is this?