sse Paradise Halls Enhanced (pahe) Special Edition with the customary addons

[Martok73]

15 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

well hell they should have made it part of the game in skyrim too then

It was pretty limited, you could only sell one slave at a time and iirc the only slave you could buy was Clover.

 

15 hours ago, Will55 said:

I did mention ISIS sex slaves  and not all hookers wander into the game with open eyes. From my limited knowledge of RL hookers it is a desperation choice by a decent woman or a lazy choice by a slack one. Nymphomaniacs rarely become hookers as they like to enjoy themselves. IMHO 2 out of 3 western hookers would far rather not be doing so.

Of the few hookers I actually know, they for whatever reason seem to enjoy the work and don't mind it. Granted they live and work in Las Vegas, Nevada, where prostitution is a regular job just like being a cook at McDonald's,lol. The ones I know personally have told me they have excellent healthcare, and other benefits from working at the brothel where they are employed. I would imagine tho that the ones that are literally working on a street corner probably don't want to be there, unless they are some that are lazy like you mentioned.

 

15 hours ago, Will55 said:

There were NO followers down there in my cellar and those who lived there upstairs mentioned "rats in the basement" often. Sure, when some slaves were promoted upstairs the followers helped themselves, with the slaves being hookers or not, it made no difference. I found that with the slaves, hookers or not, there was a definite pecking order with arch NMs and top end vampires ordering the others about as if they were royalty.  I have no idea if it was PAH, HSH, or AYGAS but I observed the above often when I had not started HSH or has just begun AYGAS. "Come here  my lovely" I must have heard well over a couple of hundred times at LVM and Proudspire (both had over 25 occupants upstairs). However I am not wasting any more time as we will both just disagree.

That phrase "Come here my lovely" I'm pretty sure I've heard it from followers before when they met the arousal level setting of HSH. Have never heard another slave use it, but I don't use AYGAS so I can't speak for that mod.

 

15 hours ago, Will55 said:

BTW Wartimes was interesting but dreadful. I will find a way to kill that swine within the mod as this next run she will pickpocket everything and do alch to make poisons. Makes my blood boil. Thx for the recommendation there. It is certainly a mind opener.

hahaha, I'm glad you "liked" it, or at least found it interesting. I've played thru it twice now and when going thru it completely blind after "going along" with what I could tell was the theme, just to see where it went, when I got to where mother is back but pissed as hell that you turned into a slut whore for father and proceeded to kick me out, my character went ballistic and killed them both. The second playthrough I went the opposite route and bucked it at every turn, ended up being kicked out with a bounty (scratches head), kept the mod installed so I could go back and get revenge, leveled up, got geared and murdered father for killing mother and kicking me out. LOL.... There is supposed to be several more endings to it, and I am debating on whether or not I'm going to reinstall it with the last update monoman put out and "see" what the new endings are like... Still debating tho, haven't decided if I want to put myself or another character thru the shit that father does or not.

[Martok73]

15 hours ago, Pfiffy said:

For Skall village: I will check the conditions-. I thought I had corrected them all....

 

Well, each relationship encrease counts for the hearthfire homes. If you offer your Hookers to 3 persons in a city, this part of the conditions is fullfilled. Next condition is to have a property: own the land or the house . Then you are done...Whiterun is something different because, the Jarl allows you to by a house after you returned the Stone from the Riverwood Ruin, and offers the titel after killing the Dragon and Windhelm, where you have to join the Stormcloaks and complete the 'blood on the Floor(?)' quest...I use a mod to avoid joining the Stormcloaks.  

Blood on the Ice is the questline, and yeah after doing that stupid shit twice I looked for a mod that avoided that, "CW Neutrality" did the trick. Can get thane and the house without joining or doing anything with the civil ware. Thanks to "At Your Own Pace" I can get the house in Whiterun without completing Dragon Rising and keep dragons from spawning, thus never actually becoming the Dragonborn.

 

14 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

Talk to any other Jarl, and you'll find permission to buy property precedes Thane status.

Already explained how it was working for me in my game on all of my characters, scroll up/back and read that again. I wish it worked like you describe, but it just doesn't in my game. Bug? Another stupid so called "fix" by Arthmoor and his lackies at USSEP? Probably.

 

13 hours ago, bnub345 said:

You're allowed to buy Breezehome after completing bleak falls barrow, and thane status is not given until after dragon rising. I guess you might not notice if you skip talking to Balgruuf and just go kill the dragon? Then he would tell you both at once. Not sure if the quest conditions allow this. 

Without me using the mod "At Your Own Pace" if I follow the main quest talking to Balgruuf, Farengar, and Ilireath, when the quest says to, and complete the steps, I am not given the option to purchase Breezehome until after Dragon Rising is complete, which is not the quest for the Dragonstone in Bleak Falls Barrow. It is only with the mod At Your Own Pace, that I am allowed to buy Breezehome after I finish Bleak Falls Barrow.

 

 

[Will55]

52 minutes ago, Martok73 said:

 

Of the few hookers I actually know, they for whatever reason seem to enjoy the work and don't mind it. Granted they live and work in Las Vegas, Nevada, where prostitution is a regular job just like being a cook at McDonald's,lol. The ones I know personally have told me they have excellent healthcare, and other benefits from working at the brothel where they are employed. I would imagine tho that the ones that are literally working on a street corner probably don't want to be there, unless they are some that are lazy like you mentioned.

It seems to be dependent upon 2 things in the west: 1) community acceptance of prostitution; and 2) the quality of the immediate boss. That Madam I met, gave her girls health insurance, general work cover insurance, regular holidays and 5 day week, a crèche was available as was after school care and those who had no car could rent one cheaply. I boggled at how well she looked after her "girls" and asked what was her line of business?  It was patently obvious if you thought about it, but I was tired and she cracked up when I said this. "Guess!" was her reply and those who knew all laughed then the penny dropped. It was then that I noticed the hair thin razor scar on her still attractive face and had a clue about her struggle to protect her girls. She was the one who said nymphomanics were a no no. 

52 minutes ago, Martok73 said:

 

That phrase "Come here my lovely" I'm pretty sure I've heard it from followers before when they met the arousal level setting of HSH. Have never heard another slave use it, but I don't use AYGAS so I can't speak for that mod.

I don't know its source but I have heard it so often.

52 minutes ago, Martok73 said:

 

hahaha, I'm glad you "liked" it, or at least found it interesting. I've played thru it twice now and when going thru it completely blind after "going along" with what I could tell was the theme, just to see where it went, when I got to where mother is back but pissed as hell that you turned into a slut whore for father and proceeded to kick me out, my character went ballistic and killed them both. The second playthrough I went the opposite route and bucked it at every turn, ended up being kicked out with a bounty (scratches head), kept the mod installed so I could go back and get revenge, leveled up, got geared and murdered father for killing mother and kicking me out. LOL.... There is supposed to be several more endings to it, and I am debating on whether or not I'm going to reinstall it with the last update monoman put out and "see" what the new endings are like... Still debating tho, haven't decided if I want to put myself or another character thru the shit that father does or not.

Walking naked through Whiterun with high heels and a mask made me "fix" up my char's figure quick smart. I tried dumping clothing outside, but it failed the quest, so I bought stockings and Lux panties and pasties and hide them outside each time I entered the house and now she no longer fears the supposed walk of shame and looks ummm very good.

The way that is shows up male behaviour is enlightening and fits perfectly with what waitresses and barmaids have told me. My first char was kicked out a virgin. My 2nd bonked anyone and everything but him and when he rapes her I just reload until he does not. Cheating perhaps but I want to see him "suffer".

3rd char in the wings and undecided. 30 mins a day only is enough for it I might do a manhating animal fetishist as that would fit her well. Sanguine has my by the gonads, i think.?

[Antiope_Apollonia]

1 hour ago, Martok73 said:

It was pretty limited, you could only sell one slave at a time and iirc the only slave you could buy was Clover.

Well, to be fair if I could buy Clover, I probably wouldn't need any other slaves.

[Martok73]

2 hours ago, Will55 said:

It seems to be dependent upon 2 things in the west: 1) community acceptance of prostitution; and 2) the quality of the immediate boss. That Madam I met, gave her girls health insurance, general work cover insurance, regular holidays and 5 day week, a crèche was available as was after school care and those who had no car could rent one cheaply. I boggled at how well she looked after her "girls" and asked what was her line of business?  It was patently obvious if you thought about it, but I was tired and she cracked up when I said this. "Guess!" was her reply and those who knew all laughed then the penny dropped. It was then that I noticed the hair thin razor scar on her still attractive face and had a clue about her struggle to protect her girls. She was the one who said nymphomanics were a no no. 

Yeah of all of the hookers I've met both in Las Vegas and Atlantic City and a few places elsewhere in the US, the ones I've spent time with talking to has indeed liked their job, and to them that is all it was, a job. Most of them were in brothels and had good insurance, vacation days, a set schedule, some even had childcare in another building of course. All of them provided their girls with regular health checkups every 3 mos which included full panel blood tests to make sure they stayed clean, and many of them even said that where they worked "protection" was mandatory for the clients, so no bare back riding. Some were working their way thru college, others just literally enjoyed the job, and those that said they enjoyed it said it was actually alot safer than dating and going home with some random guy/gal, and it was better than being a stripper. Which after being in some of the strip clubs I've been inside of, yeah I can see how "flat backin" is better and safer than stripping/exotic dancing.

 

2 hours ago, Will55 said:

I don't know its source but I have heard it so often.

I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure that comes from HSH and followers with a high enough arousal.

 

2 hours ago, Will55 said:

Walking naked through Whiterun with high heels and a mask made me "fix" up my char's figure quick smart. I tried dumping clothing outside, but it failed the quest, so I bought stockings and Lux panties and pasties and hide them outside each time I entered the house and now she no longer fears the supposed walk of shame and looks ummm very good.

The way that is shows up male behaviour is enlightening and fits perfectly with what waitresses and barmaids have told me. My first char was kicked out a virgin. My 2nd bonked anyone and everything but him and when he rapes her I just reload until he does not. Cheating perhaps but I want to see him "suffer".

3rd char in the wings and undecided. 30 mins a day only is enough for it I might do a manhating animal fetishist as that would fit her well. Sanguine has my by the gonads, i think.?

?yeah, some of the stuff is wild, and anytime that prick would rape my char, I would add it to his "suffering" when she got her revenge. There is a pathway that leads into some pretty heavy beastiality iirc, I do remember one of my chars having sex with dogs and horses almost as much as she did with father and his "friends". I could only stand about 30mins to an hour of playing that mod at a time, and pairing it with SD+ and that questline made for a "perfect storm" of my chars plunge into sheer psychopathic lunacy. She ended up giving herself willingly to Sanguine in the end, which ended her playthrough. Sanguine and Sheogorath has got to be my favorite of the daedra.

 

2 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

Well, to be fair if I could buy Clover, I probably wouldn't need any other slaves.

I'd have to load an old save file to be 100% sure, but I'm like 95% sure that I bought Clover at least once I a playthrough.

[Will55]

24 minutes ago, Martok73 said:

yeah, some of the stuff is wild, and anytime that prick would rape my char, I would add it to his "suffering" when she got her revenge. There is a pathway that leads into some pretty heavy beastiality iirc, I do remember one of my chars having sex with dogs and horses almost as much as she did with father and his "friends". I could only stand about 30mins to an hour of playing that mod at a time, and pairing it with SD+ and that questline made for a "perfect storm" of my chars plunge into sheer psychopathic lunacy. She ended up giving herself willingly to Sanguine in the end, which ended her playthrough. Sanguine and Sheogorath has got to be my favorite of the daedra.

 

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I just realized that if I have Hentai creatures installed i can summon someone to "bite" him. Not certain how and when but it is a nice little "backup" plan although I would prefer to slowly poison him...selenium anyone?  Must get that alch up. I won't post anymore on this as this really is not kosher for this page.

[Martok73]

4 minutes ago, Will55 said:

I just realized that if I have Hentai creatures installed i can summon someone to "bite" him. Not certain how and when but it is a nice little "backup" plan although I would prefer to slowly poison him...selenium anyone?  Must get that alch up. I won't post anymore on this as this really is not kosher for this page.

Ha, don't have that one. Uhm, ok, why? Pretty sure the mod was suggested to me somewhere in this 147 page thread, I think, I know I suggested it to you quite awhile back. Anyway, have fun with it, I doubt I'll play thru it again as I've already seen 2 of the possible endings and not really sure if I want to risk my sanity trying to see anymore or not.

[CliftonJD]

23 hours ago, Pfiffy said:

I stated a new game and still have the problem with the training....

 

 

even starting a new game i still get the option for 2 brand new hookers to hone their skills with each other, just have to reload the save to get tdf working to be able to see the dialogues to hire them. assuming you're talking about the option to hone their skills...

[Pfiffy]

14 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

even starting a new game i still get the option for 2 brand new hookers to hone their skills with each other, just have to reload the save to get tdf working to be able to see the dialogues to hire them. assuming you're talking about the option to hone their skills...

It is better now: The last 3 Hookers are still ready for training all the time while the first 3 only offer the training option once. I'm not sure if it is after reloading or after cell change. I have to test a bit more. 

 

 

Edit: It seems to be the cell change... 

Edited July 26, 2022 by Pfiffy

[CliftonJD]

21 hours ago, Pfiffy said:

It is better now: The last 3 Hookers are still ready for training all the time while the first 3 only offer the training option once. I'm not sure if it is after reloading or after cell change. I have to test a bit more. 

 

 

Edit: It seems to be the cell change... 

hooker 4 is set to "recover" from BB_GIScenes_HookerTraining4ConcEffect

hooker 5 has BB_GIScenes_HookerTraining5CloakEffect set to "fx persist"

just a thought, dunno if its related or not

[Pfiffy]

57 minutes ago, CliftonJD said:

hooker 4 is set to "recover" from BB_GIScenes_HookerTraining4ConcEffect

hooker 5 has BB_GIScenes_HookerTraining5CloakEffect set to "fx persist"

just a thought, dunno if its related or not

Ok... This might be the reason for 4 and 5 being able to train all the time, but it does nor explain why the training is bugged on the first 3.

I will check this against the April version again. My new run seems to be bugged when it comes to the Money, too.

[Pfiffy]

Edit: I didn't wait long enough. I was able to collect my money from all 3 Freehookers and the Inn Hookers in Riverwood.

 

I'm on this version right now:

 

TDF20220720.7z

 

 

For the training: The Hooker Training Cool down effect is only used on the first 3 Hookers....So the others don't get checked for the cool down and can train all the time. the cool down timer is set to 14400 ist this too High?

Edited July 27, 2022 by Pfiffy

[Martok73]

3 hours ago, Pfiffy said:

Edit: I didn't wait long enough. I was able to collect my money from all 3 Freehookers and the Inn Hookers in Riverwood.

 

I'm on this version right now:

 

TDF20220720.7z 37.83 MB · 1 download

 

 

For the training: The Hooker Training Cool down effect is only used on the first 3 Hookers....So the others don't get checked for the cool down and can train all the time. the cool down timer is set to 14400 ist this too High?

This one ok for testing then? Have you figured out the not being able to dismiss bug yet? That's every 4hrs right?

[BeefyJackal]

Is there a way to disable the dialogue enslave option? I don't want to have the "enslave" option in dialogue with every NPC. I can't talk to some NPCs without having to enslave them first.

[CliftonJD]

10 hours ago, Pfiffy said:

Edit: I didn't wait long enough. I was able to collect my money from all 3 Freehookers and the Inn Hookers in Riverwood.

 

I'm on this version right now:

 

TDF20220720.7z 37.83 MB · 2 downloads

 

 

For the training: The Hooker Training Cool down effect is only used on the first 3 Hookers....So the others don't get checked for the cool down and can train all the time. the cool down timer is set to 14400 ist this too High?

14400 could be why you only saw the option to train those hookers once. i think the original mod gave a couple or few hours only

2 hours ago, BeefyJackal said:

Is there a way to disable the dialogue enslave option? I don't want to have the "enslave" option in dialogue with every NPC. I can't talk to some NPCs without having to enslave them first.

we don't have forced dialogue enslavement and the only dialogue enslavement we do have built in is thru the zaz dialogue "you appear to be in a bind". the general enslave option is also the hardest to achieve, can only be done if the npc is in bleedout

[CliftonJD]

7 hours ago, Martok73 said:

This one ok for testing then? Have you figured out the not being able to dismiss bug yet? That's every 4hrs right?

basically he rolled back to the version before he edited it, which makes sense if he wasn't changing anything then why would the ck need to mess with those working fragments

[BeefyJackal]

1 hour ago, CliftonJD said:

14400 could be why you only saw the option to train those hookers once. i think the original mod gave a couple or few hours only

we don't have forced dialogue enslavement and the only dialogue enslavement we do have built in is thru the zaz dialogue "you appear to be in a bind". the general enslave option is also the hardest to achieve, can only be done if the npc is in bleedout

 The "you appear to be in a bind" appears in the dialogue box just like the usual dialogue does. But the "enslave" text appears as a sort of pop up box. The options are usually to "enslave" or "talk". Sometimes I can only enslave the npc. The pop up resembles those from the Sexlab Defeat mod.  It does't heppen without this mod.

Edited July 27, 2022 by BeefyJackal

[Pfiffy]

9 hours ago, Martok73 said:

This one ok for testing then? Have you figured out the not being able to dismiss bug yet? That's every 4hrs right?

I think, this is the version to continue...

 

I will test if it is possible to dismiss the Inn Hookers in Riverwood and try to fix the training... I have an Idea about the reason.... But first I will watch the Womans European Football championship... 

[fubalnut]

So MCM has stuff for Flame Atronach but I couldn't seem to get them to be able to be enslaved, is there a way or are they not actually enslaveable?

[Martok73]

18 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

basically he rolled back to the version before he edited it, which makes sense if he wasn't changing anything then why would the ck need to mess with those working fragments

ahh ok cool

 

15 hours ago, Pfiffy said:

I think, this is the version to continue...

ok will start testing and see what happens.

 

15 hours ago, Pfiffy said:

I will test if it is possible to dismiss the Inn Hookers in Riverwood and try to fix the training... I have an Idea about the reason.... But first I will watch the Womans European Football championship... 

haha, priorities, ?, never understood the appeal of soccer tbh.

[CliftonJD]

22 hours ago, BeefyJackal said:

 The "you appear to be in a bind" appears in the dialogue box just like the usual dialogue does. But the "enslave" text appears as a sort of pop up box. The options are usually to "enslave" or "talk". Sometimes I can only enslave the npc. The pop up resembles those from the Sexlab Defeat mod.  It does't heppen without this mod.

pahe can normally only give the option to enslave if they are in bleedout. i think love slaves or sexlab sex slaves has its own enslave option. in pahe i renamed the enslave option to "Enslave(Pah core)" to avoid confusion between the 2 mods when i heard we both had the same button label. in addition to that i added a button to pahe for "Cancel Enslavement" so anytime pahe give the option to Enslave, it also gives the option to cancel it

9 hours ago, fubalnut said:

So MCM has stuff for Flame Atronach but I couldn't seem to get them to be able to be enslaved, is there a way or are they not actually enslaveable?

flame atronach enslavement gives the same options as humans for the most part, aside from enslave faction. so if thay flee or go into bleedout or hit the health threshold set in the mcm, then you should get the option to enslave them

[Martok73]

@Pfiffy So I'm testing it out, and already noticed that I can't send any hookers to any city using the "work alone in a city" dialogue option. It shows blank even tho I have several that should be available. I'm Thane and own property in Falkreth, Dawnstar, Morthal. Thane in Winterhold (no property to buy). Nightgate inn was in my list of places to send hookers but it seems to have disappeared along with Raven Rock, and I can't remember which list it was in either, city or inn. I can send hookers to Riverwood Sleeping Giant Inn, and to the College itself, and the "roaming" hookers work fine. Just have a blank dialog when trying to send them to a city. Also the unable to dismiss bug is persistent in this version as well. Once I dismiss one hooker, the rest give me the error and I can't dismiss any of them, even if they do in fact have gold to give me.

 

 

@CliftonJD I ran across an issue trying to enslave the dark elf inside Bleak Falls Barrow "Arvel the Swift". Enslaving him before killing him and looting the golden claw does not advance the quest if if I loot the claw after I enslave him. His dialogue also goes back to him just yelling for me to free him like he's still trapped in the big spider's web. If I kill him then loot the claw quest proceeds as normal, however if I use the hotkey and "enslave" him that way, his dialogue again reverts back to if he's stuck in the web. It would seem there isn't a way to enslave him and have him work properly like any other slave. He is a unique npc as well, but I don't think that has anything to do with it as I've enslaved other uniques. I think he may be like Astrid and need "fixing" in order to enslave him and have him work right and still advance the golden claw quest.

[CliftonJD]

10 minutes ago, Martok73 said:

Nightgate inn was in my list of places to send hookers but it seems to have disappeared along with Raven Rock, and I can't remember which list it was in either, city or inn.

• night gate inn is 1 of the bugged dialogue conditions, but if or when its working, requirement is to be thane of the pale
• same bugged condition exists in skaal village, raven rock. if or when its working, that will require "served cold" quest completion
• both of those options when working as intended will be on the dialogue tree "You've been doing some good work with me. I want you to work at an Inn." 

25 minutes ago, Martok73 said:

I think he may be like Astrid and need "fixing" in order to enslave him and have him work right and still advance the golden claw quest.

ok, i'll add that to my list to look into

[Martok73]

40 minutes ago, CliftonJD said:

night gate inn is 1 of the bugged dialogue conditions, but if or when its working, requirement is to be thane of the pale

Check, Thane of the Pale, the Nightgate showed up in v628, not sure on other versions.

 

41 minutes ago, CliftonJD said:

same bugged condition exists in skaal village, raven rock. if or when its working, that will require "served cold" quest completion

Have not done that quest, so Raven Rock showing up in v628 without the quest complete was a bug.

 

41 minutes ago, CliftonJD said:

both of those options when working as intended will be on the dialogue tree "You've been doing some good work with me. I want you to work at an Inn." 

Could not remember where Nightgate Inn was at in the dialog tree honestly. I just knew I had it available in v628, now it's missing in 720, along with all every city. Falkreath, Dawnstar, Morthal, Whiterun, etc... Cities dialog tree is blank ☹️

 

43 minutes ago, CliftonJD said:

ok, i'll add that to my list to look into

Cool, will let you know if I run across any other "oddities" when trying to enslave other inconsequential npcs. ?

[Pfiffy]

7 hours ago, Martok73 said:

ahh ok cool

 

ok will start testing and see what happens.

 

haha, priorities, ?, never understood the appeal of soccer tbh.

Women Soccer seems to me more sport than economics. And it is getting more attractive. My Team made it to the final. Lets see if they get the title on Sunday..