sse Paradise Halls Enhanced (pahe) Special Edition with the customary addons

[Faustling]

19 hours ago, Faustling said:

 

The version I have is SUM-2-01-SE.  The latest version is SUM-2-33-1-SE, but I'm not sure if it works with SE v 1.5.97.

 

All this gets me is error messages:

SUM Update Failed!
SUM Mod Requirements Failed!

It still wants v1.62.

 

 

[Will55]

BTW not sure IF this is the right place but as it is WRT slavery then.....

 

Whoever designed the Lake View manor cellar extension gave room for over 100 slaves or some 50 if you gave them beds.

 

Any chance of someone doing this to Tundra Homestead?

I ask, as it is early game obtainable, central in location and while small even with the mod that extends it, the cellar has great potential for someone (unlike me) who knows what he/she is doing.

 

Nothing wrong with hope. ?

[Will55]

Okay, back to PAH. In my WT/SD+ profile unclicking both of the latter had NO effect upon starting and running PAH. Nor did total removal of Mia etc.

In every case if I click on a paralysed or low HPs potential slave I receive ONLY the options" "cancel enslavement" or "pickpocket/talk (crouched or not) . The latter two have absolutely no effect at all and nothing happens. None of the potential slaves have been enslaved before although one was "on ice".

The HSH and AYGAS MCM pages are as per usual. BUT the PAH first 2 pages are virtually empty. When I click restart and drop out of the menus and wait, i read "PAH is Starting" but NOTHING happens. I have one last idea but as Martok posted I doubt that it will have any effect. I will add the result here.

[BeefyJackal]

On 7/28/2022 at 7:28 PM, CliftonJD said:

pahe can normally only give the option to enslave if they are in bleedout. i think love slaves or sexlab sex slaves has its own enslave option. in pahe i renamed the enslave option to "Enslave(Pah core)" to avoid confusion between the 2 mods when i heard we both had the same button label. in addition to that i added a button to pahe for "Cancel Enslavement" so anytime pahe give the option to Enslave, it also gives the option to cancel it

flame atronach enslavement gives the same options as humans for the most part, aside from enslave faction. so if thay flee or go into bleedout or hit the health threshold set in the mcm, then you should get the option to enslave them

I don't have love slaves or sexlab sex slaves. I'm getting the option for "enslave faction" when I talk to certain npcs whose disposition is at friend or above. 

[CliftonJD]

On 7/30/2022 at 6:27 PM, Martok73 said:

Yeppers, no clue about the quest info. I've seen the quest to visit each house right after you buy it but that's all I know.

 

yeah I have no idea as to what is causing it or what conditions. I am trying to see if I can narrow it down abit tho, maybe see if I can replicate it under certain conditions.

 

Yeah I've had Raven Rock show up once but never had Skaal village show up at all. I also don't remember which dialog tree I saw Raven Rock show up under either, but I do remember it just said "Raven Rock".

ok this time i've changed winterhold to the same conditions as the other hf cities, so that should be fixed. cities with homes that need to be purchased now use the same conditions as the city steward would use for decorating your new home.

if we atleast get most cities this time, make a note of what's missing and hope you atleast get 1 of the dlc cities this time

 

below:

On 7/31/2022 at 8:21 AM, Pfiffy said:

Took a short look at it and I have to add the fragments again. About the training ig et a little step forward: The ast 3 Hookers are missing the dialog condition that checkes for the cool down effect. Adding it makes at least all Hookers behave in the same way, but it is still not working properly.  

after taking a look at the steward, i noticed his conditions are so close to what we have that i doubt it would have any effect on its own so the other change i'm making this update is to copy your fragments and after reading your post i've added the magic effect condition to the added 3 hookers:

TDF20220801.7z

 

22 hours ago, Will55 said:

Well, I was warned about SD+ and Wartimes causing problems with other mods.

I found a way to develop my WT char so that she has many more choices available and currently she is becoming "indentured" at level 90 and has her own chastity belt on and ready for "daddy".

But she was jumped by 3 luscious bandits and killed them all. So, I decided that she could "put them on ice" for later.

Core to this WT/SD+ run is the prior ownership of the Tundra Homestead so that "daddy" cannot take everything from her.

So, I somehow had to dump the 3 bodies that i was stupid enough to pick up.

 

Then I had the "brilliant" idea of adding PAH to the mix and installed the last one with which i was familiar 8.1.2. Yes, I was warned, I know.

All installed OK,. game runs OK. BUT PAH is as dead as the 3 ladies. No options. So, I restart PAH. The screen tells me PAH is restarted.

But it is exactly the same as before no options except restart and the toggle page is empty.

 

So, WTH, I know what I am doing, so I defrost a bandit and paralyse her (repeated about 7 times) the only options that surface are "cease enslavement" and "pickpocket" or "talk to " if she is conscious. while she waves her Stalheim sword at me and I simply had to kill her again as even down to 10% health there still was no enslavement option.

 

Is there anything that I can do here, such as try the latest version of PAH or is PAH just doomed with SD+ present?

It is not really a disaster as she is a quite a good char, still a virgin despite some close shaves and worth continuing with (alt start dragon-born) and not just for the eye candy POV.

But it seems just a pity to just again kill those 3 sweet maidens (yes, i picked up her corpse again but shhhhh) despite all three being deadly wenches.

 

BTW it is all relevant as I fully intend to enslave daddy and to sell him to some sleazy ?gay slaver at Fellglow after he has enjoyed the stocks for a few 100 "friends" to get him used to it.

 

yes its completely relevant that you intend to enslave him. i only quit running sd for performance, used to start my games as a slave and escape enslaving mistress for years in Le. got too buggy for me when he tried to add the crawl animation, but had no issues with pahe. enslaving mistress was sometimes a coin-toss with who would win tho, some versions of sd hung too tight to the old owner instead of letting her become the slave.

 

if pah won't start, check your papyrus, something's gumming up the works. if you find any pah errors, send the log here

21 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

So I took a deeper look at the PAHCleanerPackage, and it turns out its value is "<default>". So I guess it doesn't exist after all and that explains why my "cleaner" slaves just walk back home. I will switch them to sandbox.

hmm, thought that had all but the dialogue ready to go. i'll take another look at it

14 hours ago, masterpyromancer said:

I can't seem to find devious arm rope enslavement.  I have the proper dependancies installed.  I have the correct devious devices and correct matching patch.  In fact, the devious suits actually show up and are equipable on people.  I've been reading that the bondage enslavement rope doesn't work and I tested that out myself.  I also read that the devious arm rope enslavement does work.  However,  when I use the additem menu and go into the devious suits addon it shows all the suits but not the arm rope.  Is anyone else having this problem?  Was the arm rope removed?

might have to get it from the all-in-1 version, think its been a while since i updated the separate add-on

24 minutes ago, BeefyJackal said:

I don't have love slaves or sexlab sex slaves. I'm getting the option for "enslave faction" when I talk to certain npcs whose disposition is at friend or above. 

even stranger, unless you're talking to npc's who have been captured by bandits. only 2 factions can trigger that type of enslavement and the other is mod specific to pahe

On 7/30/2022 at 8:42 PM, bob035 said:

None of the punishment sex options actually trigger sex. All of the other ways to trigger sex work, but i cannot punish the slaves with sex. The mod wont even register that i tried to have sex with them.

is that with dom running also or just pahe

[Will55]

I should apologise for the below but I could not resist it.

As soon as I found mother in Dragonreach she rushed to dear daddy and resumed her nymphomania with both him and Aldo.

While they were thus busy I slipped an enslavement rope into his "pocket" then cast "irresistible attraction" onto him and Aldo.

Mother should have applauded but I think that she was envious.

 But the (&*^% underpants have returned.

Admin: delete if not happy.

 

CliftonJD where do i find the papyrus log? I know that I should know but I do not.

Edited August 1, 2022 by Will55

[masterpyromancer]

@ OP you're right it was in the AIO but not the separate one.  Since the version numbers were the same I figured they were both the same. Thanks!

[CliftonJD]

 

1 hour ago, Will55 said:

I should apologise for the below but I could not resist it.

As soon as I found mother in Dragonreach she rushed to dear daddy and resumed her nymphomania with both him and Aldo.

While they were thus busy I slipped an enslavement rope into his "pocket" then cast "irresistible attraction" onto him and Aldo.

Mother should have applauded but I think that she was envious.

 But the (&*^% underpants have returned.

Admin: delete if not happy.

 

CliftonJD where do i find the papyrus log? I know that I should know but I do not.

 

Quote

 

The debug log is disabled by default, in order to enable it, open your Skyrim.ini file, located in /My Documents/My Games/Skyrim/ (MOD ORGANIZER USERS: When using MO, you should use the built in INI Editor option instead of manually editing this file directly.)

 

Add/edit the following to this file:

[Papyrus]

fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=500.0

bEnableLogging=1

bEnableTrace=1

bLoadDebugInformation=1

 

If the any of the above lines do not exist, add it. If it already exists, modify the matching line to reflect the above settings. All of the settings should be under the [Papyrus] header, and below no other.

 

Save your changes to Skyrim.ini and load your your game, quickly attempt to replicate the issue you have with SexLab, and quit the game.

 

Your debug log files will now be located in the folder My Documents/My Games/Skyrim/Logs/Script/, the file Papyrus.0.log will always contain the log for the LAST time you opened Skyrim

 

Edited August 1, 2022 by CliftonJD

[Will55]

Many thanks. Imagine my surprise when I looked and found this already present:

[Papyrus]
fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=500.0
bEnableLogging=1
bEnableProfiling=0
bEnableTrace=1
bLoadDebugInformation=1
fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=500.0
iMinMemoryPageSize=1024
iMaxMemoryPageSize=3072

 

So I looked into the log0 file and it was dated 21/7/22 with loads of PAH squeals.

But absolutely nothing since I noticed the problem.

So it probably has been sitting there since then.

Mind you, I have NOT enslaved or tried to enslave anyone for at least a month or two

until the last 2 days.

I shall have to look for a save with a readily available "customer" but below is this one.

I choked when I looked at it. My apologies. ☹️

Papyrus.0.log

[CliftonJD]

2 hours ago, Will55 said:

Many thanks. Imagine my surprise when I looked and found this already present:

[Papyrus]
fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=500.0
bEnableLogging=1
bEnableProfiling=0
bEnableTrace=1
bLoadDebugInformation=1
fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=500.0
iMinMemoryPageSize=1024
iMaxMemoryPageSize=3072

 

So I looked into the log0 file and it was dated 21/7/22 with loads of PAH squeals.

But absolutely nothing since I noticed the problem.

So it probably has been sitting there since then.

Mind you, I have NOT enslaved or tried to enslave anyone for at least a month or two

until the last 2 days.

I shall have to look for a save with a readily available "customer" but below is this one.

I choked when I looked at it. My apologies. ☹️

Papyrus.0.log 406.21 kB · 0 downloads

before we go down the road of fixing or cleaning old saves, this might be easier if you try from a new save. your current log has some serious enough script issues that pah scripts have been previously uninstalled and won't reinitialize until the broken remnants are cleaned. if it works on a new save, then you can look into salvaging the old save

[Martok73]

8 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

ok this time i've changed winterhold to the same conditions as the other hf cities, so that should be fixed. cities with homes that need to be purchased now use the same conditions as the city steward would use for decorating your new home.

if we atleast get most cities this time, make a note of what's missing and hope you atleast get 1 of the dlc cities this time

 

below:

Ok, downloading and testing, will let you know what I find.

 

6 hours ago, Will55 said:

I should apologise for the below but I could not resist it.

As soon as I found mother in Dragonreach she rushed to dear daddy and resumed her nymphomania with both him and Aldo.

While they were thus busy I slipped an enslavement rope into his "pocket" then cast "irresistible attraction" onto him and Aldo.

Mother should have applauded but I think that she was envious.

 But the (&*^% underpants have returned.

Admin: delete if not happy.

That is funny, I think I laughed just a little too hard at this.... although kinda poetic justice seeing as how I've played thru the mod twice now...

 

1 hour ago, CliftonJD said:

before we go down the road of fixing or cleaning old saves, this might be easier if you try from a new save. your current log has some serious enough script issues that pah scripts have been previously uninstalled and won't reinitialize until the broken remnants are cleaned. if it works on a new save, then you can look into salvaging the old save

Second this, def try on a new save, sadly tho I have found that some things persist even when removed properly, thru a new save. Long after getting rid of some mods I've been haunted by their remnants in new save after new save... Some things ya just can't get rid of, lol. Looking at you BBLS ☹️

[Farsh-nuke]

On 7/31/2022 at 11:49 PM, Antiope_Apollonia said:

Girls play rugby, too.  Only in the U.S. men and women play completely different sets of sports.

 

I played rugby competitively for about eight years.  It's an incredibly fun sport.  Very much a primal struggle.  The "dangerous" and "brutality" stereotypes around rugby from people in the U.S. and other non-rugby cultures are pretty misguided, though.  Ruggers actually have fewer season-ending injuries than footballers, and way fewer serious injuries than American football players.  When you play rugby, you're pretty much never 100% during the season—there's always some little knock or niggle that happens in the course of all the contact—but the nature of the contact is totally different from the contact in American football.  Rugby is a lot of grabbing and pulling and pushing.  There's some harder contact to be sure, but tackling technique in rugby is totally different.  Partly because of the lack of equipment, which is what makes the violent collisions of American football possible, and partly because rugby is a game of possession rather than minute distances, so where in American football you're incentivised to make the high risk, high reward play to stop them now, in rugby, it's better to make less risky plays.

 

Talk about a game that's just insane, if American football were being invented today without the history and tradition behind it in that culture, there's no way it would be legal as a youth sport.  Parents having their kids play that game with what is known today is tantamount to child abuse.  I wouldn't be surprised if social psychologists can establish a link between the prevalence of American football and the U.S.'s high crime rate, since we know that traumatic brain injury has a lot to do with criminal behaviour.  It's good that there's finally some efforts to reduce the brain damage the sport causes, but it looks a bit like putting a BandAid on a bullet wound.

Then there's cheerleading. An absurdly dangerous sport that children and young adults are encouraged to partake in often with little to no safety equipment.

Also as an English person I am still annoyed that Americans call a sport where you pick up the ball with your hands football lol

@Will55 I think you should resist the urge to let your collection of slaves get too high and that you should probably start over with a clean save. 

[Farsh-nuke]

4 hours ago, Martok73 said:

Ok, downloading and testing, will let you know what I find.

 

That is funny, I think I laughed just a little too hard at this.... although kinda poetic justice seeing as how I've played thru the mod twice now...

 

Second this, def try on a new save, sadly tho I have found that some things persist even when removed properly, thru a new save. Long after getting rid of some mods I've been haunted by their remnants in new save after new save... Some things ya just can't get rid of, lol. Looking at you BBLS ☹️

Have you tried doing a fresh install of skyrim? If you you a manager like MO2 then you can just point the game folder to the new location.

[mikesolo1975]

On 8/1/2022 at 2:10 AM, Faustling said:

 

All this gets me is error messages:

SUM Update Failed!
SUM Mod Requirements Failed!

It still wants v1.62.

 

 

its normal

you need make this for work

 

Edit this file:  SKSE\Plugins\Skyrim - Utility Mod\System\SUM\System.json

 

Find this line in the file:

 

"sslcompatiblesemver" : [ "1.62.0", "1.62.7", "1.62.8", "1.62.9", "1.63.0", "1.64.1" ],

 

and change the version number "1.64.1" to "1.64.3"

 

if you use MO2 go to the mods and SUM installation and SKSE

Edited August 2, 2022 by mikesolo1975

[Will55]

Okay digital moron country.... again!

When you say "new save", do you mean a new game with the same char?

Or do you simply mean a fresh new save of the ongoing game with and without PAH

When I began the Wartimes/SD profile I only had Simple Slavery (as advised) installed.

It was only at the end of the period when my present char found the mod's time loophole to expand her capabilities and did so (the attack by the 3 deadly wench bandits) that I actually found a need to install PAH/TDF on this profile

 

 

FarshNuke...this char has no slaves and rugby as Antiope says, is quite good fun as you do not need to spend years wasting time (for 90% of players) learning balls skills that will not help you in later life. Do not get me wrong here as my family are all eager & fervent supporters of a PL club (and have been for near 100 years) but when i went to a rugby school despite absolutely no idea, i had so much fun that they pushed me into the first team vs players years older. Severe concussion ruined that fun and I refused to play for the firsts, and they virtually blacklisted me, so I switched to tennis. But looking back I really enjoyed myself as a 5/8. But top-level rugby is a big man's game, and you should see them aged at 50 all overweight often with multiple joint replacements etc.

 

BTW and only OOC...how is " cheerleading an absurdly dangerous sport" so? I would have thought that gymnastics, going by your standards or ballet were equally dangerous. this is NOT a criticism but curiosity as I can imagine how feminists feel about cheerleading.

Edited August 2, 2022 by Will55

[Will55]

10 hours ago, Martok73 said:

That is funny, I think I laughed just a little too hard at this.... although kinda poetic justice seeing as how I've played thru the mod twice now...

 

Second this, def try on a new save, sadly tho I have found that some things persist even when removed properly, thru a new save. 

I have another plan as well to rid my char of daddy without finding mother. When he begins to be really nasty, I will drop a deadly wench corpse in the "home" rez her and sneak through the door and lock it and he can try and "entertain her" and see how well he fares.

When there was a Raid on Whiterun, as my char and few other women went down to help out the guards, the yellow swine "daddy" ran past us into the city looking terrified, so he is only brave with subservient women. If one deadly wench fails, I still have two more 

[Will55]

Okay I tried a new char on the same profile with 8.1.2 installed as well as TDF. I tried the bannered mare slaver start and went into Belethor's store and paralysed him.

Same result as before as the only options were:  " cancel enslavement" or "pickpocket" him.

I will remove TDF and PAH, clean the save and then reinstall both to see what happens. I am not optimistic.

 

Addendum:

Removed both PAH & TDF and cleaned save.

reloaded only PAH 8.1.2

NO chang!e Only cancel enslavement and pickpocket available on paralysed "victim"

The MCM AYGAS and HSH pages looked normal, but the PAH options page had only the 2 headings: Toggle & Debug while the enslavement page was empty.

Nothing has worked at all and I am now at a loss to do any more.

 

I will continue with my original save and might just dump the profile after seeing if I can Proteus save my char.

 

I am going to check the other active profiles, just in case although neither chars currently running have any slaves.

 

Edited August 2, 2022 by Will55

[Farsh-nuke]

2 hours ago, Will55 said:

Okay digital moron country.... again!

When you say "new save", do you mean a new game with the same char?

Or do you simply mean a fresh new save of the ongoing game with and without PAH

When I began the Wartimes/SD profile I only had Simple Slavery (as advised) installed.

It was only at the end of the period when my present char found the mod's time loophole to expand her capabilities and did so (the attack by the 3 deadly wench bandits) that I actually found a need to install PAH/TDF on this profile

 

 

FarshNuke...this char has no slaves and rugby as Antiope says, is quite good fun as you do not need to spend years wasting time (for 90% of players) learning balls skills that will not help you in later life. Do not get me wrong here as my family are all eager & fervent supporters of a PL club (and have been for near 100 years) but when i went to a rugby school despite absolutely no idea, i had so much fun that they pushed me into the first team vs players years older. Severe concussion ruined that fun and I refused to play for the firsts, and they virtually blacklisted me, so I switched to tennis. But looking back I really enjoyed myself as a 5/8. But top-level rugby is a big man's game, and you should see them aged at 50 all overweight often with multiple joint replacements etc.

 

BTW and only OOC...how is " cheerleading an absurdly dangerous sport" so? I would have thought that gymnastics, going by your standards or ballet were equally dangerous. this is NOT a criticism but curiosity as I can imagine how feminists feel about cheerleading.

Penn and Teller did an episode exposing the dangers of cheerleading. Gymnastics is done in the gym, on crash mats. Cheerleading involves people doing cvomplex routines that often involves standing on each other and just at the side of an American football stadium. America found a way to turn dancing in silly outfits into something that para\lyses people and kills them.

Incidently I'm the kind of feminist who believes in a woman's right to dress as she chooses and in a woman's right to engage in safe saner consensual sex work if that is what she wishes. I do have a problem with how normalised fetishes over a sport done by children is but women dancing skimpily to cheer on teams is fine. It's the safety issues I have a problem with.

Yeah actual football is hard. I am a nerd so I'm anti-sport in general but I did play football and rugby only rugby gave everyone who hated me an excuse to be mean to me.

 

[Will55]

Never having really seen cheerleading at any level I cannot comment on your post about its ?dangers. However, if you could show me a list of the serious injuries suffered (with details on what the injuries actually were) as a % of the numbers of those involved, I might be able to comment. However, knowing how the feminists feel about such you must understand my suspicions.

 

How do feminists feel about the equal opportunity sport of punching the c**p out of each other in women's boxing/? That sounds and is a lot more dangerous as is downhill skiing, ice skating, high board diving, etc etc,. ad infin. 

 

WRT rugby, being the 5/8 (crucial backline position in mostly attack for those who do not know rugby) and younger than most i had the daylights knocked out of me always irrespective of whether they liked me or not (I did not care). That is the name of the game. You shouldn't let it worry you as I have probably p*ssed off more people in a week than you have in your whole life.

[Antiope_Apollonia]

1 hour ago, Will55 said:

WRT rugby, being the 5/8 (crucial backline position in mostly attack for those who do not know rugby)

Uh, 5 and 8 are forward positions... the backs are 9–15 (or 11–15, if you don't count the halfbacks).

[Farsh-nuke]

1 hour ago, Will55 said:

Never having really seen cheerleading at any level I cannot comment on your post about its ?dangers. However, if you could show me a list of the serious injuries suffered (with details on what the injuries actually were) as a % of the numbers of those involved, I might be able to comment. However, knowing how the feminists feel about such you must understand my suspicions.

 

How do feminists feel about the equal opportunity sport of punching the c**p out of each other in women's boxing/? That sounds and is a lot more dangerous as is downhill skiing, ice skating, high board diving, etc etc,. ad infin. 

 

WRT rugby, being the 5/8 (crucial backline position in mostly attack for those who do not know rugby) and younger than most i had the daylights knocked out of me always irrespective of whether they liked me or not (I did not care). That is the name of the game. You shouldn't let it worry you as I have probably p*ssed off more people in a week than you have in your whole life.

You wanted me to explain the dangers I explained the dangers. What you believe is up to you. I am firmly left wing and I am a feminist and a progressive but I didn't bring up cheerleading to advance any kind of agenda, you were talking about dangerous sports so I mentioned one. If you disagree then that's okay. We have discussed privately the differences between our politics and I know where you stand but I'm not here to pick fights

And yeah contact sports generally weren't for me. Though I was scrum half at rugby for a team once and I think I was almost good at it in the end. 

The difference with boxing, skiing and what have you is that dangerous sports that people know are dangerous and treat with respect. Cheerleading is this iconic part of American and thus global popular culture and yet it's extremely dangerous and isn't treated as such. That's the issue the danger comes from the negligence that comes from the danger. If you get into a boxing ring you expect to get punched and the dangers that come with that. If you sign up to cheerlead you don't expect to snap your neck and end up in a wheelchair the rest of your life because you got one of the routines wrong.

[Will55]

30 minutes ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

Uh, 5 and 8 are forward positions... the backs are 9–15 (or 11–15, if you don't count the halfbacks).

The scrum half is called a scrum half or halfback. The immediate backline receiver of the ball from him is called a flyhalf or five-eight and i have no idea why. Next are the inside and outside centres or right and left if the scrum/maul is in the middle of the field then the wingers with the fullback behind all. When I played the fullback was 1, the halfback 7 the 5/8 6 etc.

Let's just drop all this.

[Will55]

18 hours ago, Farsh-nuke said:

The difference with boxing, skiing and what have you is that dangerous sports that people know are dangerous and treat with respect. Cheerleading is this iconic part of American and thus global popular culture and yet it's extremely dangerous and isn't treated as such. That's the issue the danger comes from the negligence that comes from the danger. If you get into a boxing ring you expect to get punched and the dangers that come with that. If you sign up to cheerlead you don't expect to snap your neck and end up in a wheelchair the rest of your life because you got one of the routines wrong.

I am not convinced and still see it as the typical feminist attitude towards any woman or behaviour by women whom they see as bowing to the supposed "toxic masculinity"  the real point of it all.

Exactly how many end up in wheelchairs and how many marry some rich guy who notices them because of their job? I agree that anything risky should be well covered WRT safety but there is no dearth of applicants for such despite the feminists and the supposed risks. Of course, the fact that most cheerleaders are both slim and pretty is really the point IMO from my experiences with feminists.

You brought this subject up and I bit, but I will not discuss it further as we are miles apart here.

Edited August 3, 2022 by Will55

[Farsh-nuke]

Yeah, I know your perspective. I could give you the figures but we've established that you and I have very different sources and perspectives. I am trying hard to be Amicable here. Lerts move on.

[Will55]

On 8/1/2022 at 9:34 AM, masterpyromancer said:

I can't seem to find devious arm rope enslavement.  I have the proper dependancies installed.  I have the correct devious devices and correct matching patch.  In fact, the devious suits actually show up and are equipable on people.  I've been reading that the bondage enslavement rope doesn't work and I tested that out myself.  I also read that the devious arm rope enslavement does work.  However,  when I use the additem menu and go into the devious suits addon it shows all the suits but not the arm rope.  Is anyone else having this problem?  Was the arm rope removed?

IIRC (always a risk) I simply made mine at a smithing station but no idea which actual one was used. I could be totally wrong here but I seem to remember each one costing 3 cloth.

Edited August 3, 2022 by Will55