sse Paradise Halls Enhanced (pahe) Special Edition with the customary addons

[Pfiffy]

20 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

odd place to ctd

I'm still looking for the source of the CTD.....

 

In Morthal I could enter the jarl's house. But I broke the quest for getting the house by enslaving Lillette..... I have to kill her, speak to her husband and reanimate her afterwards. (can you do something about that?) This is just a test to see if the Hookers work correctly in the hearthfire cities.  I also have to prepare my rooms for Refugees from Ukraina, so I don't have much time for playing. 

Edited March 15, 2022 by Pfiffy

[CliftonJD]

1 hour ago, Pfiffy said:

'm still looking for the source of the CTD.....

try posting the log of it, not all but most ctd show up in the log. the few that don't show up in the log are usually of animation or mesh issue...or co-save data

1 hour ago, Pfiffy said:

In Morthal I could enter the jarl's house. But I broke the quest for getting the house by enslaving Lillette..... I have to kill her, speak to her husband and reanimate her afterwards. (can you do something about that?)

not finding a lillette anywhere in skyrim or the dlc content, is she from a mod or a mis-spelling

 

[Pfiffy]

18 minutes ago, CliftonJD said:

try posting the log of it, not all but most ctd show up in the log. the few that don't show up in the log are usually of animation or mesh issue...or co-save data

not finding a lillette anywhere in skyrim or the dlc content, is she from a mod or a mis-spelling

 

It is Laelette the Vampire. 274A0... 

 

[CliftonJD]

1 hour ago, Pfiffy said:

It is Laelette the Vampire. 274A0... 

 

 

4 hours ago, Pfiffy said:

In Morthal I could enter the jarl's house. But I broke the quest for getting the house by enslaving Lillette..... I have to kill her, speak to her husband and reanimate her afterwards. (can you do something about that?)

killing her isn't needed to buy the house, its just a favor quest with gold reward. if you need to kill her then talk to her husband and resurect her, something wrong with the quest itself, tons of bugs listed on that quest. if you didn't need to resurect her after speaking to her husband, i could look into fixing the bug as your slave. as a means for favoring the jarl to test tdf prostitutes, you need only to offer the jarl to have sex with your prostitutes as per the mcm option "prostitution increases disposition".  also confused if the quest expects her dead, why do you need to resurect her after speaking to her husband

[Martok73]

On 3/11/2022 at 10:49 AM, CliftonJD said:

yes, that's what we've been trying to say all along, but some reason your response tried to say you were able to get it to detect both mods automatic without needing to reinstall

I'd have to re-read those posts but I'm pretty sure that I didn't say that, or at least that wasn't what I was inferring anyway. At least I don't think so as it wasn't my intention. Doesn't really matter either way as we're all on the same page now, lol.

 

 

@CliftonJD @Pfiffy Here is a copy of the enhanced version without all the extra stuff, ie no SLS, no MIA... It is the version that I had working and using in my game prior to y'all starting to overhaul everything. I had the original conversion for 2.2.5.5, then the Independent Legendary addon, and then this "fixed" or at least working copy of enhanced installed. From my testing and playing with it, everything seemed to work ok except for the sandboxing of the slave hookers from pah. I could send normal npcs I had recruited as hookers to the various holds/cities/towns that were supported including the Jarl's houses, and the roaming hookers I could place anywhere. What didn't work was the tracking quest in the journal, once I sent a hooker somewhere to work on their own they were removed from the tracking quest so I couldn't keep up with where they were. The slave hookers were the same way as they never showed up in the tracking quest, but they did function, and would make money, they just didn't move much and never actually saw them with any clients. The normal npcs hookers would walk around, pickup jons, have sex, and go to the next client and make money just fine.

 

Anyway here's the copy of what I had been using just incase you guys want to look at the scripts in it or the esps. I completely got rid of the buggy fomod as well, so any mod manager would install it normally.

 

TDF Enhanced Prostitution 1_0_3.zip

[TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft]

Here's a long standing bug. I can't interact with vanilla Valdr until I become thane of Falkreath. I 've tested this through multiple PAHE versions from new games each time. Why it happens, I don't know, but it happens.

[ruddycray]

On 3/10/2022 at 5:19 PM, Kalysto said:

Hi Clifton, I tried to enslave Uaile in Markath but she keeps her original dialogue after enslaving so I figure I could make a small tweak to make her work with PAHE.

Also I did another patch so that "The Ancient Profession" dialogue doens't appear in PAHE slaves.

I've attached both patches in case someone detects an issue that I didn't foresee and maybe to extend for other npcs that have a blocking dialogue.

paradise_halls_the_ancient_profession.esp 2.51 kB · 3 downloads paradise_halls_npc_fixes.esp 514 B · 3 downloads

 

Just so you know, your patch appears to be based on an older version of TAP and will cause regressions of several fixes from the latest release and may make some dialogue available in situations where it shouldn't be.

 

While the adjustments you've made look simple enough to redo if you wanted to keep up with it, if you want a more "version-safe" way of prohibiting solicitation dialogue, you'd be better off either adding the NPCs to TAPNoSolicitFaction or adding them to the form list named TAPSolicitForbidList.

[Kalysto]

Nice, I didn't notice that you updated TAP.

I don't think I can use TAPNoSolicitFaction or the TAPSolicitForbirList with PAHE slaves since they can be any NPC but since you included an MCM option to disable the solicitation it shouldn't be needed then.

[Kalysto]

BTW I edited my original post to remove the patch so it doesn't mess up the new version of TAP.

[ruddycray]

10 hours ago, Kalysto said:

Nice, I didn't notice that you updated TAP.

I don't think I can use TAPNoSolicitFaction or the TAPSolicitForbirList with PAHE slaves since they can be any NPC but since you included an MCM option to disable the solicitation it shouldn't be needed then.

 

I don't know enough details about how this mod works to tell you for sure what would work, but you might be able to patch to add the NPCs to the faction or list at the point that this mod brings the NPC into its own systems. Of course, that would mean that the patch could be incompatible with further updates to this mod. I can't tell you which would be better, but I can tell you that the solicitation dialogue quest is fairly volatile right now when it comes to TAP. As I find new places where I want to make adjustments to who can be freelance solicited and not, I am likely to edit the conditions on the quest.

 

Of course, if you're satisfied with just disabling the dialogue to get the compatibility you want between the two mods, then that's probably the option least likely to break with mod updates.

[CliftonJD]

On 3/15/2022 at 5:44 PM, Martok73 said:

 

 

Anyway here's the copy of what I had been using just incase you guys want to look at the scripts in it or the esps. I completely got rid of the buggy fomod as well, so any mod manager would install it normally.

 

TDF Enhanced Prostitution 1_0_3.zip 773.12 kB · 0 downloads

thanks but i saw the screenshots and mistakenly assumed it meant the solution to slave names in dialogues. no telling where the screenshots were from if you still saw the console names of the prostitute slaves

19 hours ago, TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft said:

Here's a long standing bug. I can't interact with vanilla Valdr until I become thane of Falkreath. I 've tested this through multiple PAHE versions from new games each time. Why it happens, I don't know, but it happens.

i assume you mean if you enslave valdr, you can't speak to him at all until you're thane or does he give some type of quest dialogue when you try to speak with him

 

 

17 hours ago, Kalysto said:

Nice, I didn't notice that you updated TAP.

I don't think I can use TAPNoSolicitFaction or the TAPSolicitForbirList with PAHE slaves since they can be any NPC but since you included an MCM option to disable the solicitation it shouldn't be needed then.

i can look into a toggle to add slaves to that faction during enslavement

[TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft]

1 hour ago, CliftonJD said:

i assume you mean if you enslave valdr, you can't speak to him at all until you're thane or does he give some type of quest dialogue when you try to speak with him

 

 

No. I mean the "speak" option is in the popup, but I can't start the vanilla quest until I become Thane. That is not vanilla behavior and only happens with this mod.

[CliftonJD]

1 hour ago, TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft said:

 

No. I mean the "speak" option is in the popup, but I can't start the vanilla quest until I become Thane. That is not vanilla behavior and only happens with this mod.

only condition for starting that quest should be level 16 and pahe doesn't change that. fortunately i still have a save past level 16 without being thane anywhere to test that quest, was able to talk to the innkeeper to get the quest or skip the innkeeper to find valdr and heal him. once he's healed, he gives the quest to clear the cave

[Villianize]

Sooo...I got back into skyrim, and I remember a few years ago I had the problem with naked bandits and was told a reason as to why it happened. Last year and (a few other times if I recall) when requesting help in regards to naked bandits I was told that the problem was fixed a long time ago. Well.... Ive only enslaved one bandit so far in a brand new playthrough with all updated Pah mods and already have a naked bandit so once more Im asking. What do I have to do to get this to stop happening? I hate to sound whiney as I too create mods for other games and know what its like on the modders end of the table, but literally all Im asking for is help with this mod. No ambiguous answer, no up-to-your-interpretation One liners. No deflecting. I've used pah for years and as long as Ive had it, is literally as long as Ive never been told a straightforward answer on how to stop the naked bandits bug. I just enjoy using this mod and have used it for years. I tell all my friends who play its a must have, but know fully well I cant fully prescribe this mod knowing I myself cant get assistance in fixing this long running bug. I really would like to for once just be told what I have to do exactly to stop the naked bandits bug. If it is in fact unfixable, please just say it is so I can be at ease and know that naked bandits overtime is the inevitable cost of having this mod...

[TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft]

56 minutes ago, CliftonJD said:

only condition for starting that quest should be level 16 and pahe doesn't change that. fortunately i still have a save past level 16 without being thane anywhere to test that quest, was able to talk to the innkeeper to get the quest or skip the innkeeper to find valdr and heal him. once he's healed, he gives the quest to clear the cave

Maybe it's one of my other mods... oh well 

[CliftonJD]

6 minutes ago, Villianize said:

Sooo...I got back into skyrim, and I remember a few years ago I had the problem with naked bandits and was told a reason as to why it happened. Last year and (a few other times if I recall) when requesting help in regards to naked bandits I was told that the problem was fixed a long time ago. Well.... Ive only enslaved one bandit so far in a brand new playthrough with all updated Pah mods and already have a naked bandit so once more Im asking. What do I have to do to get this to stop happening? I hate to sound whiney as I too create mods for other games and know what its like on the modders end of the table, but literally all Im asking for is help with this mod. No ambiguous answer, no up-to-your-interpretation One liners. No deflecting. I've used pah for years and as long as Ive had it, is literally as long as Ive never been told a straightforward answer on how to stop the naked bandits bug. I just enjoy using this mod and have used it for years. I tell all my friends who play its a must have, but know fully well I cant fully prescribe this mod knowing I myself cant get assistance in fixing this long running bug. I really would like to for once just be told what I have to do exactly to stop the naked bandits bug. If it is in fact unfixable, please just say it is so I can be at ease and know that naked bandits overtime is the inevitable cost of having this mod...

that was a long standing bug for years thought to be unfixable. pahe 8.x was created specially for a new method of countering naked bandits. to prevent naked bandits from occuring on a new or clean save:

• start the mod from the mcm or wait for the standard auto-start methods
• return to the mcm after completion and choose to "disable the automatic outfit"
• once you've caught a slave, avoid the dialogue to "strip and set outfit" except when speaking to known uniques

ANY outfits applied to radiant npc's will be copied to their base actor and the standard outfit applied during slavery for years was a nothing outfit, so the base actor of the slave would be naked for next respawn

no known cure once the outfit has been applied, it can only be prevented

[Villianize]

10 minutes ago, CliftonJD said:

that was a long standing bug for years thought to be unfixable. pahe 8.x was created specially for a new method of countering naked bandits. to prevent naked bandits from occuring on a new or clean save:

• start the mod from the mcm or wait for the standard auto-start methods
• return to the mcm after completion and choose to "disable the automatic outfit"
• once you've caught a slave, avoid the dialogue to "strip and set outfit" except when speaking to known uniques

ANY outfits applied to radiant npc's will be copied to their base actor and the standard outfit applied during slavery for years was a nothing outfit, so the base actor of the slave would be naked for next respawn

no known cure once the outfit has been applied, it can only be prevented

Thank you for the quick response. I think the one slave I captured was before I toggled the setting on. I wasnt to sure what the setting meant as the description says it stops the automatic naked outfit but the setting says Disable the automatic outfit. Since the naked outfit is/was the default outfit when enslaving the setting can be confusing by the name itself since I wasnt sure If I was disabling the naked outfit or disabling something to allow the naked outfit. I'll continue playing with that setting toggled on and see if I notice anything different. 

Edited March 17, 2022 by Villianize

[Kalysto]

4 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

i can look into a toggle to add slaves to that faction during enslavement

 

Dunno if it's worth the trouble. I think I'm the only one using The Ancient Profession with PAHE since a being a prostitute and a slaver doesn't make much sense. It does blend well into the world which is why I use it.

[CliftonJD]

9 minutes ago, TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft said:

Maybe it's one of my other mods... oh well 

try loading all your mods into xedit then, at the top left corner is a box labeled formid, type or copy/paste 000B31FC into the box and hit enter. that should bring you to the innkeeper's dialogue to check for any mods altering it. black text with a white background is normal unaltered records, different colored background to the text indicates another mod has altered it. if its been altered, the right hand side should list the mod name

[CliftonJD]

10 minutes ago, Kalysto said:

 

Dunno if it's worth the trouble. I think I'm the only one using The Ancient Profession with PAHE since a being a prostitute and a slaver doesn't make much sense. It does blend well into the world which is why I use it.

most prefer tdf for its added ability to pimp or madame your slaves. some slavers have even used prostitution as a means for luring their soon to be victim to a better place for capture -be careful if you wish to try this method sometimes it can cause bugs if you don't complete the client before enslaving

[Kalysto]

Is TDF stable to use now?

[TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft]

27 minutes ago, CliftonJD said:

try loading all your mods into xedit then, at the top left corner is a box labeled formid, type or copy/paste 000B31FC into the box and hit enter. that should bring you to the innkeeper's dialogue to check for any mods altering it. black text with a white background is normal unaltered records, different colored background to the text indicates another mod has altered it. if its been altered, the right hand side should list the mod name

Actually I usually go straight to Valdr, but I'll look at xedit. Thanks for the tip.

[CliftonJD]

6 minutes ago, Kalysto said:

Is TDF stable to use now?

the all-in-one version is mostly stable, but has some problems when sending the prostitutes out to work alone that they don't seem to earn any money yet

2 minutes ago, TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft said:

Actually I usually go straight to Valdr, but I'll look at xedit. Thanks for the tip.

if you normally go straight for valdr, you might just be dealing with valdr bugs:

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Valdr

bottom of the page lists the bugs

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• Because Valdr levels with you, it may be impossible to heal him accordingly on higher levels. This makes the quest impossible to finish.
• Upon initial contact with Valdr, he will complain about needing a potion, but you may be unable to initiate conversation with him in order to give a potion.
  • Entering Moss Mother Cavern and coming back out again will fix the issue.
  • Using Healing Hands and standing next to Valdr for several seconds may also work. While this workaround does seem to work sometimes, it's unreliable, sometimes working instantaneously, other times taking a long time or not working at all.

 

[TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft]

23 minutes ago, CliftonJD said:

 

if you normally go straight for valdr, you might just be dealing with valdr bugs:

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Valdr

bottom of the page lists the bugs

 

That's probably the issue. Bethesda again. 

[1Max1]

I have a question, is it normal if you reinstall the dialog option disappear, had it reinstalled 3 times and the dialog was still gone??? Don't know how dialog mods don't seem to help