Banned from Nexus

[ShardsOfEldritch]

 

 

 

 

 

Back on topic, A.J., which modders are you talking about? If you don't mind my asking of course.

 

 

 

While the other mod I'm comparing, which had to remove that sentence... no I would prefer not to name it, but let me tell you it was quite appreciated these days, it had many hundreds of thousands downloads and many thousands endorsements. The modder had three main mods online, these days, they all were very endorsed, that's essentially where my concern comes from, at this point I don't really know if it's only an income/click/revenue thing or it's more a matter of sympathy, or moon, or weather changes... 

 

I don't know. I'm still leaning toward gvman3670's reasoning. Even more so when most of the mods I was talking about was hundreds of thousands of unique downloads (not total) as well as several thousand endorsements as well. The main thing is, is that regardless, the Nexus obviously pays it's bills with ease. That kind of hosting space isn't free, premium accounts aren't enough alone to keep the bills paid, so ad revenue is the next thing I'm looking at. And with the numbers on the Nexus, it's quite a lot. There's millions of hits a day. Even if half of those hits was from people who used an ad blocker, it'd still be enough to keep the Nexus's lights on for at least another day, maybe to. If they were to ban a featured modder for endorsement solicitation (especially in regards to the Skyrim side of things since it's still the most popular side of it), I would imagine there'd be an angry mob and possibly people even leaving the Nexus all together.

 

 

 

As much as i would like to agree with you i have my doubts. Most people fear change to the point of their own harm. Despite the fact there are many modding sites that are far better quality then nexus (lovers lab) many people act as if nexus failed that the entire modding scene would somehow collapse. Even if nexus banned the top 20 most popular modders the vast majority of users wouldn't have the balls to go elsewhere, sadly, most would suck it up. As for paying the bills, if dorkone had a single functioning brain cell in the giant head of his he would stop adding crappy features to his site that do nothing more than eat up bandwidth. He can't even keep the basic features like downloads to work properly yet he keeps adding fluff that nobody really needs, if the site can't pay it's bills despite the massive flow of visitors it's all his fault for not learning the basics of capitol management.

Sorry if i came across as confrontational, i just have a course way of speaking my mind. None of this was directed at your post. 

 

I kinda have to disagree with you on the downloaders not following a mod author..  If there's a mod that's well cherished or a modder for that matter, they're gonna follow. Sure they'll still keep their accounts on the Nexus, but let me ask you this question.. How do you think I found this forum? It came up while I was searching for mods that aren't on the Nexus anymore. I joined here in late November of 2011 (a week and a half give or take a few days), I didn't have Skyrim back then and I was looking for Oblivion mods. We seen it here recently with Erkeil (though I don't use his stuff since the AI isn't to my liking). Even yodude moving to Steam (he may have had it already up there, but people from the Nexus are finding it there now which is the point). So I have to give credit to the downloaders where it's due. They follow. If they like it or like you, they'll follow. So long as you keep the name the same and it's searchable through Google, they'll find you, download your stuff, and be happy.

 

As far as the paying of the bills go, the main point would be that it'd impact his traffic stats which does hit that ad revenue. Not in a way that the site will tank, but enough to make Derp0ne complain about ad blockers again. People would be upset, create an angry mob with pitchforks, then settle down when they're reinstated. Especially if they're buds with a moderator/admin from there. Don't know how 83Willow still survives. I thought they'd have nuked her by now, but meh. Regardless, we know that Derpalicious there does have enough to make it by comfortably else he wouldn't be shucking out useless features that wastes bandwidth. If a webmaster does that and they don't have enough to make it by, they're going to tank. I can only pray that he'd do this one day, but sadly evidence points otherwise which is why I'm pretty much there with gvman3670. While I take site stat estimations with a grain of salt, there's definitely loads of traffic going through the Nexus to generate enough income to sustain the site. He's willingly admitted this and it's why he's so against ad blockers. It's not that he's not making enough, it's that he wants to make more.  So evidently he's doing something right. What better way than to keep people coming for the top popular mods being broadcasted all over YouTube that are on the Nexus? I haven't seen all that many on Steam.

 

As far as if the Nexus falls so does the modding community, I agree with you. I don't buy it either. I've been in the community since 2001 (MorrowindSummit!). I've seen sites rise, I've seen them fall. The modding community would still endure if the Nexus were to disappear and I'd rejoice SO hard. If anything, it's the Nexus that's bringing out the worst in the modding community. I mean really? Banning for endorsement solicitation? Really really? Pardon my french, but the Nexus can lick me where I pee.

 

 

 

[ShardsOfEldritch]

@ Feebaroo, I do envy those mod authors that have a following, but still. Even by your own admition the worst outcome for nexus if their top-rated mod authors were to leave is that those members whom follow their work would have to get their mods from another site while most likely still keeping their nexus accounts. I could be mistaken ( i hope i am) but i doubt Porkone really cares about the reasoning or happiness of his user base as long as he gets his capitol from membership fees and advertising.

I guess i'll just have to agree to disagree with you on that point, perhaps i don't give nexus members the credit they (may) deserve and assume they have an inch of spine amongst the whole lot. I mean how many times has Forkone tossed shit in the faces of his user-base and yet his site is still doing just fine. He makes personal insults at anyone and everyone, his site is down almost as much as it is running, the DL connections blow, and the moderation staff has the moral compass of a pedophile in a room full of cub-scouts and yet STILL people will come to that places defense. If the appalling quality of the site isn't enough to drive people away at this point i fear most are far past the point of reasoning. Again, i hope i'm just being blissfully pessimistic, but the facts at hand say otherwise. 

 

I have to correct you on something. I didn't state that Derp0ne was wanting to make people happy. He wants to keep his wallet happy. He's using their popularity to keep revenue and traffic coming. That's the point that we've digressed from. He's succeeded with modding sites twice now. He's made money and revenue both times. You can underestimate him if you want, but I choose not to.

 

Aside from that, I have to majorly disagree with the generalization that all the users are beyond the point of reasoning. They're not there for Derp. They're not there for the moderators. They're not there for the forums. They're there for the mods. So they just don't care and ignore it or they just don't see that they're being insulted. I'm certainly not defending the Nexus, it's staff, the rotten apples that are in that community, or any of all their actions. I'm simply stating that I'm not going to generalize everyone that's on there because not everyone there loves the Nexus unconditionally as many would like to think. Other people can, but to me it's not fair. As far as the facts at hand, those too are NOT universally true. You can't 100% completely ascertain that they're true for everyone, which is my point. Moving on from that, there's mods here that use Nexus exclusive mods anyways. So we really can't judge all of the mods and all of the modders for the negativity that the Nexus generates. I'd rather keep the blame where it belongs rather than finding excuses to shift the blame on someone who may be innocent of any transgressions generated by the staff, by mod authors who are jerkfaces, or downloaders who are jerkfaces. And again, I don't mean to come across as confrontational, but that's something I don't support. So I'd rather not continue it as we're not going to change each other's minds about it.

 

Edit: Added clarification.

[flutie]

OMG, been without LL for four days. My wires were taken out. A tree trimmer took out everything. I missed this thread and nexus/potatoes. Damn its good to be back on LL.

 

 

Damn Core, that was funny, elected, I am out of here bitches

[Jexsam]

It happened. Not a proper ban, but easily my first instance of pissing a modder off enough to incite action.

 

So get this. Two guys in the mod's comments, specifically the Elven Rogue Armor, complained that the screenshots didn't show the armor off very well. They were a tad blunt, but correct - half the author's screenshots were in some crappy sepia-tone ENB that didn't do a good job showing off the armor. I agreed with their general assessment and mentioned that the other half of the author's screenshots were fine. Oversaturated, maybe, but much clearer and better showed the armor. Problem being, they were fluff shots that didn't really show the armor.

 

Futher, I had the gall to suggest to someone else who posted in that thread that perhaps the mod author should be responsible for providing screenshots that effectively show what is in the mod. The poster said the complainers could look at user-submitted screenshots to get a better idea, and I conceded this was true, but did not release the mod author from their obligation to provide screenshots that actually show us what we're getting.

 

I said nothing offensive and insulted neither the posters, the author, nor the mod itself, only suggested that maybe some new shots with the better ENB would be a good idea, and this is what I get.

 

Part of me is tempted to try to contact the author to talk this out, since this is the same person who posted the awesome NuHairs and I'd really rather not lose access to that, but if this is their reaction to a level-headed and perfectly reasonable post, I kinda fear getting banned just on knee-jerk reaction from the author.

 

EDIT: Fuck it, I'm doing it. This is the message I'm sending. I'm taking the position of the victim but not admitting wrongdoing, rather, confusion as to any potential wrong-doing and a desire to correct a mistake I didn't actually make. Again, I'm being perfectly nice and reasonable. If this ends badly, the bullshit card has been played and Nexus will at last earn my full ire.

[ElectricSheep]

Serves you well for whining and telling the mod author what he/she *should* do. Modders devote their free time to work on mods and share their work non profit, hence you have no right to expect any kind of behavior from them. If you don't like something, pass in silence. You should PM and apologize for your actions.

 

 

 

[Jexsam]

Serves you well for whining and telling the mod author what he/she *should* do. Modders devote their free time to work on mods and share their work non profit, hence you have no right to expect any kind of behavior from them. If you don't like something, pass in silence. You should PM and apologize for your actions.

 

 

 

Goddamnit I read your post without reading your username and was this close to responding with a ragepost. Then I saw it.

[Rayblue]

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/51824

 

This is a bunch of fucking poseurs.

[ElectricSheep]

On the topic of mod authors, yesterday I found myself kind of whatefucked after seeing this. Curious about the response, I went to the comments section. Mind you, this is what the author says:

 

say whatever you like in comments for the others that support and enjoy my work thank you and sit back and grab some popcorn

 

O'right then. So a few guys basically told him that they find the mod creepy. I joined the discussion by saying, that I don't think the Nexus, a site full of adult and freak content, is a place to post private stuff - especially of other ppl, and that I'm not sure if his girlfriend was too happy if she'd knew how the mod can be used in association with some other mods. Also, I said that I would never post a pic of anyone I care about for other ppl to enjoy and that exposing a pic of two strangers licking each others tongues is kind of gross. He responded among the lines of "everybody is different, blah, blah" and a few hours later the whole discussion was gone.

[Chaos63]

Got yelled at for saying Willow's voice sounds like it belongs to a morbidly obese female.

It was about time somebody said it.

[davidporter89]

lol..... this guy ↑ i really don't see why so many people like willow. that annoying skank was in my game for less time than it took to download her.

[Kendo 2]

Got yelled at for saying Willow's voice sounds like it belongs to a morbidly obese female.

It was about time somebody said it.

 

Was it Linspuppy?  She's a blimp.

 

[Rayblue]

Dunno what got him to make a follower out of his GF, but it's like him letting her to be given the works.

 

I think it's his way to get even probably after they broke up and he decided this is the best.

[ratrace]

Feebaroo:

 

If there's a mod that's well cherished or a modder for that matter, they're gonna follow.

 

Users indeed follow. I had a few requests about my Half Orc Mod which I removed from the Nexus. And it was not in any way the most endorsed mod there. About 200 endorsements or so. Don't know exactly anymore because I don't care about that endorsement fuckup anyway.

 

So when, say, the SkyUI guys were moving their mod to another side, be sure users would still request it, search for it and eventually find it.

[ArgusSCCT]

So has anyone ever had problems with "difficult" modders, and by this I mean the sorts that have very bad people skills. I've had to deal with morons that believe that because they made something important, they're god's gift to mankind, and therefore no one else may understand their mods, have an opinion about their mod and least of all criticize it in any way. What I like least about the Nexus are the lazy users, but lately I've observed a lot of modders who are just so arrogant. One such example is the USKP author, he can never be wrong, and whenever there is a problem with something of his he proceeds to blame other mods. On two occasions I've seen him blaming others for errors that were either a user's fault or one of his mods' fault. He blamed Better Vampires once and then there was that whole issue he had with Mod Organizer. 

 

It just frustrates me sometimes, because when I asked for help once, not to that guy in particular but to another group of self proclaimed "gods of modding" they continuously bashed me, especially when I disagreed with them. You can't say too much about it, because you get banned on the Nexus, for defending your opinion, or in the Nexus' words "attacking mod authors".

[Sheojendphine]

Oh yeah, that guy. His people skills suck, but he's usually right for the most part. That whole thing with Better Vampires was correct. That mod has a dirty edit blocking one of the quests that his vampire mod edits.

 

Don't really care what he thinks of MO. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on things like that.

[ArgusSCCT]

Oh yeah, that guy. His people skills suck, but he's usually right for the most part. That whole thing with Better Vampires was correct. That mod has a dirty edit blocking one of the quests that his vampire mod edits.

 

Don't really care what he thinks of MO. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on things like that.

 

 

I don't know, I've used better vampires since the dawn of time, and not once has it given me trouble. I also distinctly remember that the user who had that problem, came back and said it was trouble on the other mods' end. Makes me wonder, about a certain grudge, and who really had the right to be mad, since he has a tendency to shift blame, that is. 

[D_ManXX2]

Better Vampires mod is a pretty complex mod. Due to way there are changes to the vampire system there are mods who could break it. For instance i could never get Better Vampires to work right with sexlab submit. if i use the feeding of submit my character looses control. and i need to load a new game before i did the feeding with sexlab submit.

 

So i now generally keep that option off in submit to have them work normally again.

 

I have Better Vampires for long time in my list, only small numbers of mods could cause problems with it so that is why i try too keep my list small when evener i have this mod installed.

 

Also 1 mod that could cause a major problem with Better Vampires is Alternate start live another live. That is the only mod i can think off that could block the vampire script from triggering right.

[Hayleyrose2323]

So has anyone ever had problems with "difficult" modders, and by this I mean the sorts that have very bad people skills. I've had to deal with morons that believe that because they made something important, they're god's gift to mankind, and therefore no one else may understand their mods, have an opinion about their mod and least of all criticize it in any way. What I like least about the Nexus are the lazy users, but lately I've observed a lot of modders who are just so arrogant. One such example is the USKP author, he can never be wrong, and whenever there is a problem with something of his he proceeds to blame other mods. On two occasions I've seen him blaming others for errors that were either a user's fault or one of his mods' fault. He blamed Better Vampires once and then there was that whole issue he had with Mod Organizer. 

 

It just frustrates me sometimes, because when I asked for help once, not to that guy in particular but to another group of self proclaimed "gods of modding" they continuously bashed me, especially when I disagreed with them. You can't say too much about it, because you get banned on the Nexus, for defending your opinion, or in the Nexus' words "attacking mod authors".

Yes. I use to be in a modding forum for RE4 and there was this guy named sandman. Basically in his mind he was super special and could treat anyone like crap since he put out some cool mods. He even said it just like that too, no joke, this guy was crazy.

And also i believe he said we were useless and was a waste of life because we dont mod either...so..yea...

 

hehe true story

[ratrace]

It's ridiculous how some people spruce up their crippled egos by doing something so banal like modding (no matter how complex the mod might be, but come on, in comparison to what other people do that really matters - even if it's "just" being a good parent or so - it's about a game).

 

But Arthmoor (the USKP guy) I find quite ok actually. He unquestionably is right very often, he gives short, maybe unpersonal but down to the matter answers (one thing I dearly miss these days in some people - being able to concisely phrase things), he does more bugfixing than Bethesda ever bothered to do and shares his effort with others. And he does not run his mouth like many other modders do.

 

Arthmoor was already doing the Unofficial Patches stuff since Oblivion (and before I guess, but I first heard of his work in Oblivion days), and he has been fighting off tiring questions ever since. And I'm talking about questions like "I've installed your mod, but it does nothing". Of course it doesn't. IT'S A BUGFIX, YOU MORON!

 

I mean: Who the fuck actually does bother to read ReadMes nowadays? Or mod descriptions? The braindead "generation instant gratification" wants everything right now without effort, just like the console kids do. Which is ok, but then for fucks sake don't mod your games. Just play them and then uninstall. Consume it. That's why consoles are so popular, that's why modding games is a small niche.

 

R. Scott wants to take advantage of that instant gratification crap and promises one click mod installing / management via his NMM. That's why this mod manager is questionable. Some mods still need work when they are released. Most do. You have to know about the game file structure, what an esm and esp is, how load order works, what cleaning is and why it is so important, why textures need compression, why meshes have to be setup in a certain way when it comes to problems, what scripts can do especially to your savegame etcpp. There simply is no "click & play" in modding except for the simplest of mods that consist of one esp.

 

Skyrim and other Beth games feel more like some kind of Operatng System to me. You install it, optimize it, adapt it to your needs, and keep it on the HDD or SSD. I have it installed since it came out. Of course with multiple new installs, just like an OS.

[ElectricSheep]

Couldn't agree more, ratrace. That's why everything's so fucked up in modern games: why there's no hand-placed loot, or why killing a dragon takes as much effort as mashing buttons. Because instant gratification. And the same accessible cancer starts eating modding.

[Guest]

 

 

I noticed the same and once I thought it was something common in Nexus, some unwritten rule, some consequence of rules, something like that. I mean, you know people of the same kind tend to stick in the same place etc. and their behaviours become a reciprocal cause / effect. Then I've seen the same exact attitude of those when they go in other sites, when they come here for example, so in the end I think it's not a matter of the place, it's really simply a matter of them... the lack of communication, possible misunderstandings, and the fact that everyone can have a bad day, these are the excuses I tend to stick when I receive answers I don't like. It... helps, yes. It doesn't help my load order of course, but helps my moral

[ArgusSCCT]

It's ridiculous how some people spruce up their crippled egos by doing something so banal like modding (no matter how complex the mod might be, but come on, in comparison to what other people do that really matters - even if it's "just" being a good parent or so - it's about a game).

 

But Arthmoor (the USKP guy) I find quite ok actually. He unquestionably is right very often, he gives short, maybe unpersonal but down to the matter answers (one thing I dearly miss these days in some people - being able to concisely phrase things), he does more bugfixing than Bethesda ever bothered to do and shares his effort with others. And he does not run his mouth like many other modders do.

 

Arthmoor was already doing the Unofficial Patches stuff since Oblivion (and before I guess, but I first heard of his work in Oblivion days), and he has been fighting off tiring questions ever since. And I'm talking about questions like "I've installed your mod, but it does nothing". Of course it doesn't. IT'S A BUGFIX, YOU MORON!

 

I mean: Who the fuck actually does bother to read ReadMes nowadays? Or mod descriptions? The braindead "generation instant gratification" wants everything right now without effort, just like the console kids do. Which is ok, but then for fucks sake don't mod your games. Just play them and then uninstall. Consume it. That's why consoles are so popular, that's why modding games is a small niche.

 

R. Scott wants to take advantage of that instant gratification crap and promises one click mod installing / management via his NMM. That's why this mod manager is questionable. Some mods still need work when they are released. Most do. You have to know about the game file structure, what an esm and esp is, how load order works, what cleaning is and why it is so important, why textures need compression, why meshes have to be setup in a certain way when it comes to problems, what scripts can do especially to your savegame etcpp. There simply is no "click & play" in modding except for the simplest of mods that consist of one esp.

 

Skyrim and other Beth games feel more like some kind of Operatng System to me. You install it, optimize it, adapt it to your needs, and keep it on the HDD or SSD. I have it installed since it came out. Of course with multiple new installs, just like an OS.

 

 

Perhaps, and I'd bet maybe he is tired about it, but not everyone is a moron and not everyone is asking stupid questions. And whether he made this or that, does not mean he can say anything he wants, which is what bothers me the most. When modders think that because they did something, they have the right to say what they want or expect people to bow down to them, which is one of the reasons I got in trouble with some modders. I didn't care what they had done, sure, I gave credit where it was due, but that didn't mean I was going to do everything their way. I remember one of the guys I asked for help, getting mad at me because I didn't do things his way, as if "his way" was the only way. 

 

I understand modding isn't as simple as people want it to be, and I also get annoyed at self entitled users or people who can't be bothered to do anything themselves, which is another of the things I don't like about the Nexus, mainly because you can't tell them much either, or you get banned. Those people make demands, like if they were paying for something. 

 

I think the best course of action with stupid questions, is to not answer them. I know several authors who just don't answer questions like "How do I install this?" or "What does this do?", more often than not I believe that the authors who have bad attitudes have part of the blame for creating battlegrounds of contempt in their own mod pages. I don't think it is just the users, there are some mod pages that rarely get angry comments or stupid comments in general, and in my experiences it is because of the way those authors are. 

[Blackonilord]

I dont see anything remotely wrong with your art or what the message is in them, the nexus forums are stupid, the only thing that i have found that anyone can say where you are being disrespectful in is the way you drew Nazeem, but still that isnt enough to got for an IP ban, nexus moderators are pretty stupid when it comes to picking and choosing whom to ban.

 

I forget the Modders name, but he got banned or his mod was taken down because one of the shirt armors looked like Yuki's ninja armor, and if you dont use it you should its a great armor mod, its the Blacktalon armor, and if i am not mistaken it is for nearly all body tyoes, i know there is a 7b conversion here in LL, but back to the point, your art ROCKS!!! and i enjoy reading them, and when ever i need a good laugh I always come here to read them, you are too modest about your skill, keep up the great work and iI look forward to seeing more.

[ratrace]

 

Perhaps, and I'd bet maybe he is tired about it, but not everyone is a moron and not everyone is asking stupid questions. And whether he made this or that, does not mean he can say anything he wants, which is what bothers me the most.

Of course you are right there, but I never experienced Arthmoor that way. That does however not mean that what you describe is wrong or so. I don't know what happended between you both.

 

It's just hard not to lose your temper if you make the same bad experiences day by day. I used to work in a callcenter for a few years (customer support for a provider), and after a while it wasn't "stupid" questions that got me upset but people getting barefaced and emotional when the problem was clearly on their side. Perhaps it's comparable to Arthmoors situation. I don't know the guy, though, but I know that constant dripping wears the stone. That's one of the reasons R. Scott gave modders the option to close down the comment section to their mods.

 

 

I understand modding isn't as simple as people want it to be, and I also get annoyed at self entitled users or people who can't be bothered to do anything themselves

We're on the same page here.

 

 

Those people make demands, like if they were paying for something.

No kidding, I actually saw a posting once (I think it was on the Nexus) of a user who complained about bad mod support because as a customer he feels entitled (!) to get any support he likes. May have been a troll, but that really made me facepalm.

 

 

I think the best course of action with stupid questions, is to not answer them.

That and putting together a FAQ section and point the people to it in case they don't go there on their own initiative.

 

I don't think it is just the users

I didn't want to say that, that got across all wrong, sorry. It's just that there are these two sides. As a modder you actually need at least basic social skills, that's true. I guess there are many modders that quite represent a typical geek type of guy. Sitting behing their screen all day long with very little social contact. And I don't mean that in a condescending way. It's a thin line between distraction and escapism.

 

And inappropriate reactions to harmless questions may be a result of that.

 

One of the reasons I took down my mods from the Nexus (there are many reasons) is that I wanted peace. I am still modding (for myself), but to be active on such a huge site and to feel forced to give frequent support was not what I wanted. So I came here. But I had the freedom to choose - my mod was a race mod and some other mods related to that. So no big deal.

 

Arthmoor has become kind of in charge of bugfixing - for Bethesda who should do his work. I would never do that. Fix their games? I find it odious that they release unfinished, obscenely bugged, sloppily, crappily and hastily fumbled together games, and the only thing that keeps me stick with these games are the bugfixes and mods.

 

But I would never be able to carry the burden of years of bugfixing and being the target for peoples rage. Because that rage should go unfiltered, with full force and straight to Bethesda, technically one of the most horrible game developers there are.

 

I think that all these years of trouble can make a man (or woman) quite brittle.

[blabba]

I respect Arthmoor and his mods and efforts.

 

But that doesn't mean he is infallible. He is much too blindly 'Pro-Nexus' for me.

You can take a look at his posts in the infamous DarkOne bans an entire country thread and judge for yourself though.