ArgusSCCT Posted May 2, 2014 Posted May 2, 2014 Of course you are right there, but I never experienced Arthmoor that way. That does however not mean that what you describe is wrong or so. I don't know what happended between you both. I've never had him say anything to me. The thing is that I've seen and heard enough to know what he's about, and I don't really respect him anymore. I don't know what is so difficult about behaving like a human being, and leaving the arrogance behind. The time I really experienced this behavior first hand was in another site, not the Nexus and with other people, that had the same crap attitude about things. I just don't understand the point of acting that way with people who wish to learn. In that case in particular, those people weren't very nice with others that didn't know much but were willing to learn.
ratrace Posted May 2, 2014 Posted May 2, 2014 You can take a look at his posts in the infamous DarkOne bans an entire country thread and judge for yourself though. Wow, didn't know that one. Though I found R. Scotts attitude more questionable, to say the least. "I. owe. you. nothing." was what he said when he was asked for the name of the provider the attacks came from. A distributed denial of service attack is an attack where multiple infected PCs are compromised via malware to nonstop send requests to a target, in this case the Nexus site. This kind of malware doesn't just infect PCs from just one provider or IP range - the attacking PCs (the owners of which in most cases do not even know what's happening) can be from anywhere all over the world. Limiting the IP range in the malware by coding it to infect only ISP XY customers would totally be against what a dDoS attack is meant to achieve - which is reach as many PCs as possible, turning them into a big army against the target. Then what use is banning two of the three biggest ISPs in a country - if R. Scott told the truth and all attacks really could be tracked down to one provider which, as he claimed, didn't care?
Sheojendphine Posted May 2, 2014 Posted May 2, 2014 Perhaps, and I'd bet maybe he is tired about it, but not everyone is a moron and not everyone is asking stupid questions. And whether he made this or that, does not mean he can say anything he wants, which is what bothers me the most. When modders think that because they did something, they have the right to say what they want or expect people to bow down to them, which is one of the reasons I got in trouble with some modders. I didn't care what they had done, sure, I gave credit where it was due, but that didn't mean I was going to do everything their way. I remember one of the guys I asked for help, getting mad at me because I didn't do things his way, as if "his way" was the only way. I understand modding isn't as simple as people want it to be, and I also get annoyed at self entitled users or people who can't be bothered to do anything themselves, which is another of the things I don't like about the Nexus, mainly because you can't tell them much either, or you get banned. Those people make demands, like if they were paying for something. I think the best course of action with stupid questions, is to not answer them. I know several authors who just don't answer questions like "How do I install this?" or "What does this do?", more often than not I believe that the authors who have bad attitudes have part of the blame for creating battlegrounds of contempt in their own mod pages. I don't think it is just the users, there are some mod pages that rarely get angry comments or stupid comments in general, and in my experiences it is because of the way those authors are. Are you sure it's not Giskard you're thinking of? That sounds just like him. I respect Arthmoor and his mods and efforts. But that doesn't mean he is infallible. He is much too blindly 'Pro-Nexus' for me. You can take a look at his posts in the infamous DarkOne bans an entire country thread and judge for yourself though. Is there more than one Arthmoor? lol. You should go bug him in his chat room some time and ask him what he really thinks of them. I think he's just figured out how to play the Nexus game better than most. Blindly pro-Nexus does not describe the guy at all.
ArgusSCCT Posted May 2, 2014 Posted May 2, 2014 Are you sure it's not Giskard you're thinking of? That sounds just like him. Pretty sure I'm not and I've heard of all the craziness he stirred up. Although it is ironic, considering certain events.
BrandonPotter0 Posted May 3, 2014 Posted May 3, 2014 They banned you over THAT?! Fucking losers. lolz. Funniest thing EVER! MOAR!
ShardsOfEldritch Posted May 3, 2014 Posted May 3, 2014 I just have to say this about Arthmoor; I'd rather make out with Derp0ne unprotected than sit in a chatroom with that two-faced wannabe. Just because he fixes bugs doesn't make him more of a modder than someone who has a buggy mod. It doesn't give him the right to mock people for posting bugs of his 'fixes' along with his vapid piranhas of followers, then turn around and find out it's true and fix it without an apology. He's done that. He used to be a cool guy until it went to his head. He's criticized people for using ini fixes to get FPS, claiming they don't work and that they're universal to every rig. If that were the case I could have pretty everything without my computer smothering me with a pillow in my sleep. He's criticized people for supporting Sheson's fix before it was implemented in the 1.7 alpha build in SKSE, and criticized Sheson. "I make bug patches, I've seen this before, this is what it does! BLERGH BLERGH BLERGH!" The hilarious part was some of his piranhas were saying how good the fix was until they seen what he had to say and then they were all "NOOO IT BAD OKAI DU NAWT UZE." After it gained the support of the SKSE guys, Arthmoor begrudgingly started saying that it was a fix and to use it. To me, it sounded like he was a little jealous, but that's just what I felt. Nothing more or less. The thing is, he's a snake. I'm begrudgingly using his patches because a friend of mine made a mod and didn't know any better used his patches as masters for her mod. And she's one of those damn good friends that you just suck it up and use them, but do I support them? No. Will I ever? Maybe when he shows some compassion, admits that he's a jerk and apologizes to the public, tells his cronies to stop being jerks, and then actually LISTEN to people who did everything he said by the letter and still had problems. I've been there and he's literally told me that it's not his problem because his fixes weren't working. I come back later and there those fixes are in the changelog. And before someone asks "Are you sure it was him", I'm sure. He can lick me where I pee too. I'm not a woman, but this picture totally sums it up. Edit: Also, if it's because he's having 'bad days', if you have the patience to mod and upload it, that doesn't mean that you have to treat people like mud without a reason. Callcenters are a little different because it's your job and you're being paid to do it. Arthmoor has an option, so to me that's not an excuse. He could have simply chosen to wait until he was in a 'better mood'. Now I could understand if it was a repugnant commenter, but for someone who followed to the letter in installation, read every word of the description, and checked the comments, FAQ's, Articles, Read-me's, and videos coming up to them with a problem? Nope. Sorry, but I don't take that as an excuse. They have a choice, you didn't. That's why it doesn't work for me.
Sheojendphine Posted May 3, 2014 Posted May 3, 2014 Wow. That tirade of yours is entirely false and I'm sure you know that. Here I figured I'd give this place the benefit of the doubt, that maybe Nexus really is as bad as people say, and that maybe Dark0ne and others are really as bad as people claim. He never once criticized anyone for using Sheson's patch. Fucking Christ man, he went out of his way to advise people to use it for his open cities mod. He can be blunt at times, but I have nothing but respect for people who are and don't go around peacocking the way Giskard does about it. Arthmoor does not spend his life posting asinine blog posts about how awesome a modder he is. He just fucking makes mods people like. You know... I bet you're jealous. That would explain a lot. I bet whatever bug you ran into really wasn't his fault and he told you that and you didn't like the way he pushed back. You were probably a colossal jerk to him about it. When I see people post shit like what you just did though, all credibility is lost. That casts this entire thread into doubt. I've never been able to verify one single accusation made here, yet plenty of you who have posted here whine about things you got banned for that you totally deserved it for. For fuck sake people, wake up and look in the mirror. You're all hypocrites. ESPECIALLY YOU KENDO. I've done enough research to know you got banned for good reason and your aggressive and arrogant tone here only further confirms that.
blabba Posted May 3, 2014 Posted May 3, 2014 It doesn't give him the right to mock people for posting bugs of his 'fixes' along with his vapid piranhas of followers, then turn around and find out it's true and fix it without an apology. He's done that. He used to be a cool guy until it went to his head. USKP's a team effort. Yes some of Arthmoor's practices and habits are what I find very much less than satisfactory. Yes, the USKP 'team' are notorious for being assholes on about their patches and that when members say it breaks other mods or even vanilla stuff they are quick to spread the blame on other things only to later quietly release their own patches. (If any of you remember the terrible weapon rack fiasco with custom house mods) However, that does not diminish the unnoficial patch project's quality nor their individual mods. The work done is very good and for the most part beneficial. The fact they even 'silently' fix their own mistakes and list it under the changelog is admirable enough. You can hate a particular mod author, but if their work is good you gotta give 'em that much. You don't rate modders, you rate mods. Edit: Sorry just had to point out an irony, but i think this topic is getting too 'hot' and political for me so I'll be out for a good while after this: You're all hypocrites. ESPECIALLY YOU KENDO. I've done enough research to know you got banned for good reason and your aggressive and arrogant tone here only further confirms that. I'm not gonna bother with dealing on the facts here. The proof is in the posts. You know your a hypocrite yourself for generalizing the members of this thread (maybe even this community) off of posts from the few who do post in this thread. As well as for trying to defend someone (Arthmoor) who in your opinion is a fine modder (which is fine everyone has opinions) but then you go ahead and single out another user (kendo) who I'm pretty sure had no saying on the arthmoor/USKP sub-topic we had in here. At the very least, your no better then anyone here who has singled out a person and called 'em out for it. Including Kendo (calling out Dark0ne & company) and me (calling you out).
ArgusSCCT Posted May 3, 2014 Posted May 3, 2014 USKP's a team effort. Yes some of Arthmoor's practices and habits are what I find very much less than satisfactory. Yes, the USKP 'team' are notorious for being assholes on about their patches and that when members say it breaks other mods or even vanilla stuff they are quick to spread the blame on other things only to later quietly release their own patches. (If any of you remember the terrible weapon rack fiasco with custom house mods) However, that does not diminish the unnoficial patch project's quality nor their individual mods. The work done is very good and for the most part beneficial. The fact they even 'silently' fix their own mistakes and list it under the changelog is admirable enough. You can hate a particular mod author, but if their work is good you gotta give 'em that much. You don't rate modders, you rate mods. I'll give credit where it is due. Do they know a lot of stuff? Do they know more than most (including myself? Yes and yes, doesn't mean they should be able to ride roughshod over whoever they want. But yeah, in reality I use their stuff, I won't miss out on it because they're pricks, still it feels wrong at times. Wow. That tirade of yours is entirely false and I'm sure you know that. Here I figured I'd give this place the benefit of the doubt, that maybe Nexus really is as bad as people say, and that maybe Dark0ne and others are really as bad as people claim. He never once criticized anyone for using Sheson's patch. Fucking Christ man, he went out of his way to advise people to use it for his open cities mod. He can be blunt at times, but I have nothing but respect for people who are and don't go around peacocking the way Giskard does about it. Arthmoor does not spend his life posting asinine blog posts about how awesome a modder he is. He just fucking makes mods people like. You know... I bet you're jealous. That would explain a lot. I bet whatever bug you ran into really wasn't his fault and he told you that and you didn't like the way he pushed back. You were probably a colossal jerk to him about it. When I see people post shit like what you just did though, all credibility is lost. That casts this entire thread into doubt. I've never been able to verify one single accusation made here, yet plenty of you who have posted here whine about things you got banned for that you totally deserved it for. For fuck sake people, wake up and look in the mirror. You're all hypocrites. ESPECIALLY YOU KENDO. I've done enough research to know you got banned for good reason and your aggressive and arrogant tone here only further confirms that. 1. I wasn't banned, haven't been banned yet, and I don't think I'll ever get banned unless I really do something stupid, before I ever get to that point I just keep my mouth shut about it. 2. Everything I've said is true, The posts are there somewhere, look them up and you'll find them and I doubt Mod Organizer and Better Vampires are the only two things he's blamed for something. It is funny you mentioned Giskard because for all they say about him Arthmoor's no different, I remember when he removed his Wrye Bash guide or what not for some dumb reason about someone removing the oblivion gates in Open Cities or something. Same temper tantrum, if you ask me.
davidporter89 Posted May 3, 2014 Posted May 3, 2014 the great exodus of talent from the nexus says it all.
Sheojendphine Posted May 3, 2014 Posted May 3, 2014 2. Everything I've said is true, The posts are there somewhere, look them up and you'll find them and I doubt Mod Organizer and Better Vampires are the only two things he's blamed for something. It is funny you mentioned Giskard because for all they say about him Arthmoor's no different, I remember when he removed his Wrye Bash guide or what not for some dumb reason about someone removing the oblivion gates in Open Cities or something. Same temper tantrum, if you ask me. No, it's not true. I get that some of you don't like it when people with strong opinions on things actually stand up for themselves rather than roll over and take your abuse. That doesn't make them assholes, it makes them human beings. I said before I don't care what he thinks abut Mod Organizer. Use it or don't. Not really worth the fight. Look at Better Vampires for yourself though. I did, because at first I thought he was lying, just like you. Then I realized it was true. BV has dirty edits. The evidence is irrefutable. Load it in the wrong order, and it will break Arthmoor's vampire attack mod. Put it in the right place, or clean it, and both mods get along just fine. I brought up Giskard because for all the shit people heap on Arthmoor, he's nothing like that guy. That guy is a genuine community pariah and should be shunned at all costs. To equate both people as being exactly the same is to be utterly ignorant of Giskard's history. Arthmoor has never written a Wrye Bash guide that I'm aware of. So I'll ask again. Are you SURE you're thinking of the same guy? It sure doesn't seem like it. Seems like you're just pinning a melting pot of dumb shit on the guy for no valid reason. The oblivion gate thing could have been handled better. It was still Arthmoor's mod though and those people who were messing with him deserved to be banned for it. the great exodus of talent from the nexus says it all. lol, wat? This exodus of talent you guys so desperately want to have happen isn't happening.
ShardsOfEldritch Posted May 3, 2014 Posted May 3, 2014 Wow. That tirade of yours is entirely false and I'm sure you know that. Here I figured I'd give this place the benefit of the doubt, that maybe Nexus really is as bad as people say, and that maybe Dark0ne and others are really as bad as people claim. He never once criticized anyone for using Sheson's patch. Fucking Christ man, he went out of his way to advise people to use it for his open cities mod. He can be blunt at times, but I have nothing but respect for people who are and don't go around peacocking the way Giskard does about it. Arthmoor does not spend his life posting asinine blog posts about how awesome a modder he is. He just fucking makes mods people like. You know... I bet you're jealous. That would explain a lot. I bet whatever bug you ran into really wasn't his fault and he told you that and you didn't like the way he pushed back. You were probably a colossal jerk to him about it. When I see people post shit like what you just did though, all credibility is lost. That casts this entire thread into doubt. I've never been able to verify one single accusation made here, yet plenty of you who have posted here whine about things you got banned for that you totally deserved it for. For fuck sake people, wake up and look in the mirror. You're all hypocrites. ESPECIALLY YOU KENDO. I've done enough research to know you got banned for good reason and your aggressive and arrogant tone here only further confirms that. Um, he did. Want links? Here. http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1484719-psa-a-new-memory-fix-ilsctd-alternative-to-safety-load/?p=23270072 http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1484719-psa-a-new-memory-fix-ilsctd-alternative-to-safety-load/?p=23270292 (A little mocky in this one) http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1484719-psa-a-new-memory-fix-ilsctd-alternative-to-safety-load/?p=23277456 (Waving his leverage around) I can list quite a few more, however, these prove the point. He did criticize. I understand if you like him, that's fine. But that doesn't negate the truth of the people he's bitchslapped doing it his way. As for being jealous of Arthmoor, hardly. I pity him. As far as being a colossal jerk, no. That's quite a laundry list of disdain in which thoroughly takes much of my post out of context. I was very civil, kind and considerate. I was all "Hey, I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but this script here is creating some issues. This is the way I installed the patches, this is how they look in my load order, I've tested this with just Skyrim and it's DLC, and even did it on a different installation on another computer. Any idea?" "That's all your mods. Not my problem." That's what I got. Along with his little piranhas stating that I didn't 'install' it right, and that "I don't know anything" (which is how YOU'RE coming off), when in fact I've been around the block a time or two when it comes to modding. I've been modding TES games since Daggerfall. I think I can handle a little bitty series of patches. Anyways, moving on. It doesn't give him the right to mock people for posting bugs of his 'fixes' along with his vapid piranhas of followers, then turn around and find out it's true and fix it without an apology. He's done that. He used to be a cool guy until it went to his head. USKP's a team effort. Yes some of Arthmoor's practices and habits are what I find very much less than satisfactory. Yes, the USKP 'team' are notorious for being assholes on about their patches and that when members say it breaks other mods or even vanilla stuff they are quick to spread the blame on other things only to later quietly release their own patches. (If any of you remember the terrible weapon rack fiasco with custom house mods) However, that does not diminish the unnoficial patch project's quality nor their individual mods. The work done is very good and for the most part beneficial. The fact they even 'silently' fix their own mistakes and list it under the changelog is admirable enough. You can hate a particular mod author, but if their work is good you gotta give 'em that much. You don't rate modders, you rate mods. Edit: Sorry just had to point out an irony, but i think this topic is getting too 'hot' and political for me so I'll be out for a good while after this: You're all hypocrites. ESPECIALLY YOU KENDO. I've done enough research to know you got banned for good reason and your aggressive and arrogant tone here only further confirms that. I'm not gonna bother with dealing on the facts here. The proof is in the posts. You know your a hypocrite yourself for generalizing the members of this thread (maybe even this community) off of posts from the few who do post in this thread. As well as for trying to defend someone (Arthmoor) who in your opinion is a fine modder (which is fine everyone has opinions) but then you go ahead and single out another user (kendo) who I'm pretty sure had no saying on the arthmoor/USKP sub-topic we had in here. At the very least, your no better then anyone here who has singled out a person and called 'em out for it. Including Kendo (calling out Dark0ne & company) and me (calling you out). 1) I respect that you're retracting however there's a few things that I want to point out here. In no way were these bugs that I was having with a completely vanilla game (other than the DLC and their patches) silent. There were a few more people posting about it and then he decided to fix those issues. So it wasn't some covert thing, sorry if you got confused, that was not my intention. The bug I was having issues with was a script going wonky and causing stack dumping in the logs (which isn't good). Others found it in different instances so that's when he decided to make the fix. 2) Just because someone has a good product doesn't mean they get to be toxic and abusive about it. I could understand if the patches were being trolled monotonously, however, this just isn't the case here. That's like a shoe salesman giving you a pair of shoes. When you find out they don't fit, instead of finding a right size, they instead say "YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THEY FIT EVERYONE ELSE." Nah. Sorry. Been through one abusive relationship with a modder, frankly, I don't want another. 3) You're right that it doesn't diminish their work, and in no way did I say it did. It just makes the mod to me, not worth it. I only use it because I -have- to because I support my friend who's trying to get her work off the ground. She knows my history with it after, and she understands why I don't like him. Plain and simple. 4) I know it's a team project. I single him out specifically because he's a little more outspoken than the rest. That and I've dealt with him personally. 5) I don't just rate mods, I take into consideration of the behavior of a mod author. If they're being toxic, I can't support that. That's like with any product. I simply don't support behaviors that are destructive. I do appreciate you calmly coming into this despite you getting riled up. So even though I disagree with you, I still like your post. So thank you. <3
Kendo 2 Posted May 3, 2014 Posted May 3, 2014 Been following this for a few pages now. So.... As a 'modder' I have one thing to say about typical Nexus 'downloaders'. They can all seriously go fuck themselves. I got to the point where I did not care if they downloaded what I felt like sharing, I did not care if they hated me or what I made. WTF do they know about mods? They like BlackBlossom and Type6. Their taste in mods sucks ass. They never realized MODDERS WERE THE ONES doing the favors by uploading and sharing content. This attitude is still there. 'Downloaders' and content leech modders ARE NOT doing modders any favors by using added content to make their games or mods better. That is the hard fact. Downloaders and content leeches should be on their knees, thanking people who upload...not bitching about how arrogant and upitty modders are. This pervassive 'modders are our bitches' attitude is a Nexus-tard phenomenon that started festering when NewVegas was released and grew to rotten ripeness with Skyrim. That bullshit attitude never did sit well with real modders, so self-entitled downloaders and modder wanna-be's should shut the fuck up be happy they're getting anything other than the kick in the nuts they deserve. And being a Nexus suck-ass is pointless. One thing matters to that cock-sucker Robin Scott, and that is pop-up views. He couldn't care less if he gets 1000 clicks on a My Little Pony mod or a mod that actually does something worthwhile. Fealty means nothing to him. As an aside, Arthmoor and I are friends. Kinda funny that I got slammed for slamming him...when I didn't. *hehe* @Sheojendphine Research? What research? You mean what the Nexus staff says in their pathetic little banned slam against me? That's the only thing that is public and I have the balance of the PM exchanges saved and I've only shared that with three people. You're not one of them so basically YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT. While I'm at it, you don't know what the definition of 'hypocrite' is. I firmly believe what I've stated in this thread is true (well, since IT IS and can be verified by posts at Nexus). Since I assert that the Nexus staff is full of shit (much like yourself) and I believe what I'm saying true (since it is), I cannot be a 'hypocrite'.
Sheojendphine Posted May 3, 2014 Posted May 3, 2014 Um, he did. Want links? Here. http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1484719-psa-a-new-memory-fix-ilsctd-alternative-to-safety-load/?p=23270072 http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1484719-psa-a-new-memory-fix-ilsctd-alternative-to-safety-load/?p=23270292 (A little mocky in this one) http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1484719-psa-a-new-memory-fix-ilsctd-alternative-to-safety-load/?p=23277456 (Waving his leverage around) I can list quite a few more, however, these prove the point. He did criticize. I understand if you like him, that's fine. But that doesn't negate the truth of the people he's bitchslapped doing it his way. As for being jealous of Arthmoor, hardly. I pity him. As far as being a colossal jerk, no. That's quite a laundry list of disdain in which thoroughly takes much of my post out of context. I was very civil, kind and considerate. I was all "Hey, I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but this script here is creating some issues. This is the way I installed the patches, this is how they look in my load order, I've tested this with just Skyrim and it's DLC, and even did it on a different installation on another computer. Any idea?" "That's all your mods. Not my problem." That's what I got. Along with his little piranhas stating that I didn't 'install' it right, and that "I don't know anything" (which is how YOU'RE coming off), when in fact I've been around the block a time or two when it comes to modding. I've been modding TES games since Daggerfall. I think I can handle a little bitty series of patches. Anyways, moving on. Thanks, but I read those shortly after he posted them and I know the actual context he was posting them under. He didn't bitchslap anyone. He brought a healthy and necessary amount of skepticism to something a whole lot of people were accepting on blind faith because it came from the sacred ENB forum. That whole thread is full of drooling morons who think Skyrim can handle ugrid settings of unusual size. Sensible people know better. For someone who just invoked an appeal to authority ("I've been modding TES games since Daggerfall. I think I can handle a little bitty series of patches.") you sure don't seem to have recognized what Arthmoor was referring to. He was talking about Safety Load, which is exactly as he describes it. A horrible band-aid on a real problem. There was a crash handler for Oblivion, don't recall the name right now, that made all of the same guarantees. Arthmoor just had the guts to step up and remind people of that. You don't like him because he does that. Fine. So long as you don't antagonize him for it I guess there's no real problem. Except for the really poor character it shows to sit here sniping at him behind his back. He's also got at least as much modding background as you do, so I don't really see the point in the dick waving. "His little piranhas" as you put it are people who agree with him. Guess what? He was probably right. If people agree with him, that may just indicate he is right and you just don't want to accept it. That doesn't make them his groupies or sycophants or whatever. That makes you a stubborn and arrogant person. Anyway. All I'm really getting at here is that your opinion of the guy is heavily biased and likely wrong because he's not another politically correct drone you can badger endlessly.
ShardsOfEldritch Posted May 3, 2014 Posted May 3, 2014 Benn follwing this for a few pages now. So.... As a 'modder' I have one thing to say about typical Nexus 'downloaders'. They can all seriously go fuck themselves. I got to the point where I did not care if they download what I felt like sharing, I did not care if they hated me or what I made. WTF do they know about mods? They like BlackBlossom and Type6. Their taste in mods sucks ass. They never realized MODDERS WERE THE ONE doing favors by uploading and sharing my content. This attitude is still there. 'Downloaders' and content leech modders ARE NOT doing modders any favors by using added content to make their games or mods better. That is the hard fact. Downloaders and content leeches should be on their knees, thanking people who upload...not bitching about how arrogant and upitty modders are. This pervassive 'modders are our bitches' attitude is a Nexus-tard phenomenon that started festering when NewVegas was released and grew to rotten ripeness with Skyrim. That bullshit attitude never did sit well with real modders, so self-entitled downloaders and modder wanna-be's should shut the fuck up be happy they're getting anything other than the kick in the nuts they deserve. And being a Nexus suck-ass is pointless. One thing matters to that cock-sucker Robin Scott, and that is pop-up views. He couldn't care less if he gets 1000 clicks on a My Little Pony mod or a mod that actually does something worthwhile. Fealty means nothing to him. I do agree with you about the typical downloaders feeling self-entitled. It's a rough go I think, the ones who are innocent however I don't mind, yet they're rare. Then you have those silent ones that just endorse and move on. I think it's strange. But they're typically trying to avoid the pits I think. As for BlackBlossom and Type6, do I wanna know what those are? However, I don't kowtow to a modder. They're just as equal as me. Sure, they've put out things. I've put out mods, but I don't consider myself above a downloader. Granted, my area was more on other sites rather than the Nexus. Do I feel privileged that they shared their content? Yep. But if they're jerks about it, anymore I generally just avoid it if I can help it. They deserve a kick in the nuts just like the jerky downloaders. Sadly, it's the internet, and people are 'tuff stuff' behind computer screens. It's kind of funny, off topic a little, I met someone who watched me on YouTube when I was doing videos and he hated my content, would always post nasty comments telling me he was going to kick my ass, blah blah blah. Turned out he was a minor not even out of middle school. I was like "LOFUCKIN'ELLL" So I think we also have to take that into consideration too with SOME of these people on either side. Which I do, however I know some of them who don't act their age, rather they act like their shoe size. And bleh. You had to remind me about the MLP portion of the Nexus. D: HAO CULD U!?
Derpakiin Posted May 3, 2014 Posted May 3, 2014 Downloaders and content leeches should be on their knees, thanking people who upload...not bitching about how arrogant and upitty modders are. This is entirely the wrong attitude to have regardless of what you think downloaders are. I personally work in the medical field and do artwork in my free time and I never put myself above other people even when they make requests from me. When I see a mod I like, I download it and maybe say thank you and be on my way. There is no need for the extra ego-stroking from 'peasants' and the seeming requirement some modders have for that just shows that they have a weak strength of character that they need approval from something as trivial as a video game mod community. Yes modding is difficult, but it's trivial in the end of the day, because if it's something that nobody is willing to pay you for and 99% of other people do it for free anyway, it probably isn't as great or important as you think it is. So I disagree, people should not be on their knees worshipping you like you are a gift from god. So what if people bitch and moan about your mods? Your mod is not going to be taken down, your mod is not going to be changed without your consent and if others genuinely like your mod they will download it anyway. Wanting people to uniformly compliment your work like a monolithic entity is unrealistic as people have different demands. The only thing I can see at stake out of all of this is how you conduct yourself in front of criticism, and it's very clear that modders can't handle criticism at all. They like to pretend that they do because it's such an admirable quality to have as a human being, but in practice I suspect they are not able to handle it over the internet or in real life either. Skyrim modding is like being in Amy's baking Company. Sometimes I provide feedback on a mod that is causing problems with my game, I submit a mod list, what installation instructions I've followed and a papyrus log. In the end of the day I still get very snarky and attitude-filled responses from modders who think I am below their level. That's fine with me, and I'll just head off on my way. I can deal with this because I don't derive my ego and self esteem from a Skyrim modding community, I derive mine from an art community and the community outside the internet. The next time you see someone not liking your mod, you either put up with it silently like an adult, or do what I do and say "I'm sorry that you didn't enjoy my mod. I hope you the best that you'd find one that you'd like on this site". It's easy, doesn't make you look like an ass, and people can't fault you for saying it. You've covered your ass, win/win. If you guys want to see how a very mature modding community talks like, I suggest you take a visit to Kerbal Space Program's modding forums. You'd be shocked at how civilized they are.
ElectricSheep Posted May 3, 2014 Posted May 3, 2014 When I see people post shit like what you just did though, all credibility is lost. That casts this entire thread into doubt. I've never been able to verify one single accusation made here, yet plenty of you who have posted here whine about things you got banned for that you totally deserved it for. Of course you didn't and you won't be able to as anything not in favor of Lord Dorkon the Ferret I gets either hidden or deleted. Then a statement from a moderator follows blaming the person that got banned or silenced. Here's my recent conversation with Dear Leader: Obviously, it's nowhere to be found for a typical user.
torlok Posted May 3, 2014 Posted May 3, 2014 Hell one of my accounts got ip banned there for pointing out to the community that two of their mods, when used in tandem, allow child prostitution.
ShardsOfEldritch Posted May 3, 2014 Posted May 3, 2014 Thanks, but I read those shortly after he posted them and I know the actual context he was posting them under. He didn't bitchslap anyone. He brought a healthy and necessary amount of skepticism to something a whole lot of people were accepting on blind faith because it came from the sacred ENB forum. That whole thread is full of drooling morons who think Skyrim can handle ugrid settings of unusual size. Sensible people know better. If you're not Arthmoor, then you don't know the actual context. His criticisms are based on skepticism, in which is fine, don't get me wrong, but he didn't test it immediately to confirm his skepticism. So all of his 'points' that he ascertains are unfounded, downright insulting because he claims to know everything without testing. I will give him the fact that he wanted to test it in the thread, however he himself said that he was lazy, didn't want to run Visual Studio because he's a "lazy lizard". I'm sorry, but that's a bitchslap. "I didn't test it, but it corrupts saves anyway, hurr hurr hurr." That's how he came off as. Quite frankly, he can crawl back under his rock. And you're going to insult people for having their games working with a different uGridsToLoad? That they're not sensible? If it works for them, who are you to judge? For those having problems right after downloading his mods, there could be something else there and he's refusing to acknowledge it, because according to him he does no wrong. Remember, it's the downloader's problem. Not his. For someone who just invoked an appeal to authority ("I've been modding TES games since Daggerfall. I think I can handle a little bitty series of patches.") I didn't invoke an appeal to authority, I simply stated I've been around long enough to know how to install a simple mod, and in this case a small series of patches as well as the instructions to in the description. That's hardly argumentum ad verecundium. That's stating that I know standard procedures in installing a mod to the correct directory. So no, that's not invoking, that's simply stated that this isn't my first rodeo and I read the instructions. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy He was talking about Safety Load, which is exactly as he describes it. A horrible band-aid on a real problem. There was a crash handler for Oblivion, don't recall the name right now, that made all of the same guarantees. Arthmoor just had the guts to step up and remind people of that. As for this part, what exactly are you referring to? When I mentioned I could install a few little patches in my directory, I was talking about the bug I was experiencing. Not about Safety Load or anything that he was talking about in that thread. I mentioned it in another POINT in the same post. If you got confused, my apologies, but they are indeed separate. Also this is addressed further down. I haven't forgotten it. Arthmoor just had the guts to step up and remind people of that. You don't like him because he does that. Fine. So long as you don't antagonize him for it I guess there's no real problem. Except for the really poor character it shows to sit here sniping at him behind his back. Here's a shocker for you. I've expressed my distaste for the guy several times to him directly. As far as this being the only thing, again, no. That's not the only thing I don't like him for. His behavior is absolutely repugnant. It was to me, it was to others who have voiced it up in here, others online have voiced their opinions. I don't antagonize him or even speak with him anymore. Why? Because he's toxic. However I have the right to voice my experiences with him. If someone were to ask me my opinion of Arthmoor, I wouldn't be modest. And again, you're calling the kettle black here, Pot. Only thing about it, is that I've said it to him, where with you, we don't know. I could assume, but I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you have, despite the fact that it's unwarranted because someone using ugrids outside your idea of a normal bounds is none of your business. Sorry to sound confrontational, but it's not any of your business or his little piranhas when they're not saying anything about crashes or using his mod. Okay? There's just no excuse for that. He's also got at least as much modding background as you do, so I don't really see the point in the dick waving. Yeah, I don't either. But; 1) I'm not dick waving anything. I'm simply stating my experiences, and why I have nothing but contempt for the guy. 2) How does my contempt for the guy affect you? I'm going to answer that, unless you're Arthmoor (which I don't think you are), then it really doesn't. No dick waving here, other than what's going on inside my game because I have SoS installed and I may or may have not made most of the men dance in the nude inside Jorrvaskr. 3) As far as modding background goes, it doesn't matter if you've been modding since 2001 or 2014. Doesn't give him the right to treat people like that. Same goes for downloaders to modders and other downloaders. We're all equal. Until he cuts the crap and acts like an adult, he cannot dew da dew. "His little piranhas" as you put it are people who agree with him. Mhm. Totally agree with you there! They even do it when they pipe up before hand on a subject before, then he comes in and says "DEW NOT LIKE". They'll immediately change their opinion and be all "THE GREAT ONE HAS SPOKEEEEN!1!!!11!one!!1!" Sorry. I don't like group think mentality. I think that it's a horrible way to have no control over your own opinion that you can make up for yourself through personal experience. He was probably right. Really? From that whole part that I was confused of and said I was going to bring up later, here it is. Let me ask you this; It's been well over a year. Are there huge threads of CTD issues, ILS's, save corruption and bloating, or anything of that nature going on where it's DIRECTLY linked to Sheson's fix? If so, and during that time, why are the devs of SKSE considering it's use in the 1.7 build? How is that a problematic band-aid? It's been working for almost half a year now. He assumed it was a problem and ran with it like scissors without any substantial evidence other than a previous fix for a previous game that's outdated. I'm not seeing huge threads yet about massive problems due to SSME, SKSE 1.7's issues (other than changing what the blocks can handle). Okay? If you're seeing something huge on any forum that's within the variables above (CTDs, ILS's, corruption/bloating), please link me. Until then, he didn't test it at the time he made his claims and instead used hysteria from a former game. He's now supporting the 1.7 alpha build and states that the fix helps with CTD's and ILS's. My point is, he totally went in, trigger happy only to find out he didn't have any bullets. Wasn't warranted, wasn't needed, pretty much said that Sheson didn't know what he was doing, and that he was going to break Skyrim for people everywhere. All without testing it before coming in with the criticisms. IF he did that, I'd have ignored it, but again he willfully admitted it. If I was to do something the same thing to him, he'd have me dancing a gallow's jig. Especially on the Nexus. If people agree with him, that may just indicate he is right and you just don't want to accept it. That doesn't make them his groupies or sycophants or whatever. That makes you a stubborn and arrogant person. Since I've established that there's no huge threats about Sheson's fix, that doesn't make me stubborn or arrogant. That means I'm using my brain and deciding for myself rather than blindingly following a toxic person. I even had my doubts at first, however I got to test it out and I seen for myself. When they without question, worship the ground or things he says like it's the Gospel that does make them his little piranhas when someone comes around disagreeing with him. Sometimes they even eat their own. It makes me stubborn and arrogant that I don't agree with him or his followers? No. I'm making a decision for myself based on experiences I had with him and observations that I don't want to associate myself with him. Is that a crime now? Anyway. All I'm really getting at here is that your opinion of the guy is heavily biased and likely wrong because he's not another politically correct drone you can badger endlessly. I love this one. Who said anything about him being a mindless, politically correct drone? As for biased opinions, you're just as one sided as I am. However that doesn't denote my personal experience with him in which I gathered that opinion and have made my decision long before you came around (and it's not changing). Of course I'm going to have a bad opinion of him. It's like bad fast food. If I'm sitting on the toilet from a bad case of food poisoning as well as a burning ring of fire, I'm not gonna go back to that fast food joint. Same premise. Again, is it a crime for having that mentality? No. We all do it in some way, shape, or form. So if you still have problems with that, we agree to disagree. You're not changing my mind about what I think about him and you can like him as much as you want. But those who don't want to see the truth, won't find it. When I see people post shit like what you just did though, all credibility is lost. That casts this entire thread into doubt. I've never been able to verify one single accusation made here, yet plenty of you who have posted here whine about things you got banned for that you totally deserved it for. Of course you didn't and you won't be able to as anything not in favor of Lord Dorkon the Ferret I gets either hidden or deleted. Then a statement from a moderator follows blaming the person that got banned or silenced. Here's my recent conversation with Dear Leader: Obviously, it's nowhere to be found for a typical user. Oh. My. God. I'm dying at this. I remember seeing this on a different post in here, but... Dayum. Gets. Me. Every. Damn. Time. You have the patience of a saint. <3
Kendo 2 Posted May 3, 2014 Posted May 3, 2014 When I see people post shit like what you just did though, all credibility is lost. That casts this entire thread into doubt. I've never been able to verify one single accusation made here, yet plenty of you who have posted here whine about things you got banned for that you totally deserved it for. You're so full of shit. There are links to posts at Nexus demonstrating the points made here. The staff's own words condemn them. All we are doing is pointing out the obvious and laughing at them as they make colossal fools of themselves. And the only person with zero credibility at this point is YOU. And who the fuck are you to say what casts doubt on ANYTHING? It is obvious you're a Nexus fanboy. If you want to shake pom-poms for a staff that bans willy-nilly, abuses their positions as moderators and then LAUGH ABOUT IT PUBLICLY that is YOUR BAD. But don't come here and expect anyone to swallow YOUR FUCK-TARD NEXUS-LOVING BULLSHIT. Anything you know about people being banned you learned from reading a one-sided banned post at Nexus. You have no idea why anyone was banned because you don't know shit outside of what you've read. You are in no position to pass judgement on ANYONE as to why they were banned at Nexus...because you don't fucking know. So let's review. You dove into this thread and started in on people right off the bat. You've made five posts on this forum, all of them in this thread. You're insisting that this thread (the only one you've posted in) lacks credibilty or that it has no merit, and anyone who was banned at Nexus deserved it...and you're telling other people that THEY LACK CREDIBILITY? That's just fucking funny.
legendarytoyou Posted May 3, 2014 Posted May 3, 2014 When I see people post shit like what you just did though, all credibility is lost. That casts this entire thread into doubt. I've never been able to verify one single accusation made here, yet plenty of you who have posted here whine about things you got banned for that you totally deserved it for. For fuck sake people, wake up and look in the mirror. You're all hypocrites. ESPECIALLY YOU KENDO. I've done enough research to know you got banned for good reason and your aggressive and arrogant tone here only further confirms that. Okay just what the hell were you trying to accomplish calling Kendo out when you have NO clue about the details other than the propaganda you heard from the Nexus? This is a legitimate question not a troll; show me the link that got Kendo, a talented modder with experience that goes back to Morrowind, banned from the Nexus for legitimate reasons. If you can do that then I think people here MIGHT give you the benefit of a doubt however considering everyone here likes him and hates you it seems a task in futility. I've known Kendo for quite awhile. Even wondered what happened when he went silent back on the Nexus. When I heard he got banned I was about as shocked as anyone else. The same goes for other names like Earache whom made one of the best mods for Fallout 3 & New Vegas yet got banned for dubious reasons (don't give me that shit that he didn't ask for permission to use certain textures BECAUSE HE DID. It wasn't Earache's fault the fuck-tard ripped it from Call of Duty and he shouldn't have been punished for it). Truthfully I REALLY want to know your so-called, "research." If you can prove it fine; I'll shut up and say hats off to you for doing good homework. If not please do humanity a favor and SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE.
ArgusSCCT Posted May 3, 2014 Posted May 3, 2014 For someone who just invoked an appeal to authority ("I've been modding TES games since Daggerfall. I think I can handle a little bitty series of patches.") you sure don't seem to have recognized what Arthmoor was referring to. He was talking about Safety Load, which is exactly as he describes it. A horrible band-aid on a real problem. There was a crash handler for Oblivion, don't recall the name right now, that made all of the same guarantees. Arthmoor just had the guts to step up and remind people of that. You don't like him because he does that. Fine. So long as you don't antagonize him for it I guess there's no real problem. Except for the really poor character it shows to sit here sniping at him behind his back. He's also got at least as much modding background as you do, so I don't really see the point in the dick waving. "His little piranhas" as you put it are people who agree with him. Guess what? He was probably right. If people agree with him, that may just indicate he is right and you just don't want to accept it. That doesn't make them his groupies or sycophants or whatever. That makes you a stubborn and arrogant person. Anyway. All I'm really getting at here is that your opinion of the guy is heavily biased and likely wrong because he's not another politically correct drone you can badger endlessly. You assume too much about too many things. I personally do not dislike the Nexus, I do dislike modders who think they're above everyone because they dd something, and no I've never even had a disagreement with Arthmoor, but I've seen enough. What are you anyway? His goon or something, that you must stick up for him. Do you owe him your allegiance or something? Think on this as well, if people agree with him, then yeah he's probably right, I'm not disputing that, he knows much more than I do. But if people also don't have a very good opinion about him, then what does that say? Because if you're going to say that, it works both ways. Here's your link about Wrye Bash, if you don't believe me. http://www.loverslab.com/topic/7836-wrye-bash-pictorial-guide-deleted/ I am done discussing this, I don't like the guy and all, but I will not waste my time arguing about it.
Guest Omega1084 Posted May 3, 2014 Posted May 3, 2014 This might be out of place but does anyone know where I can find the OP's art?I'd like to see more of it if possible n.n;
ratrace Posted May 3, 2014 Posted May 3, 2014 A common strategy - at least according to my experiences as a former moderator in another forum - is that companies who do not like what they read about themselves in a forum somewhere on the net let employees or even 3rd party companies infiltrate these and spam postings that cause uproar. Of course one of the main goals would be to disavow those who often post disagreeable things for the company. This can be achieved by provocation. Companies often avoid trials if they aim to keep things under the rug because they fear the so-called Streisand-effect: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect A thread like this is a honeypot for trolls and rentamouths. As sure as Nexus staff is reading here, as sure you can be that staff members are participating, of course not revealing their identity. The Nexus has become large enough that a tainted reputation really matters. Don't want to claim that user Sheojendphine is affiliated to the Nexus though. But when I participate in this thread, I try to keep in mind that some postings are better taken with a pinch of salt.
ElectricSheep Posted May 3, 2014 Posted May 3, 2014 Even trolls and village idiots have their place in a healthy community. Besides, if two individuals want to type words at each other, why stopping them? I prefer to be called an asshole than for my adversary to hide behind some faux-amicable politeness. It's just insanely boring when everyone agrees with each other because a moderator engages shall any argument occur. It's not immature to quarrel or to say you don't like something. Of course everything has it's limits.
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