Mass Effect Andromeda

[Zor2k13]

I don't want to buy or use a service made by racist bigots like the lead developer manveer whatshisracistname screw that guy and anyone else like him working there. If he was a white guy talking shit about black people all the time he would not be working there anymore. The weirdos making this game just don't get it we want to be entertained not have their agendas shoved down our throats and racism is just not acceptable period. Any game company that can't get off their dam soapbox and just make an entertaining game is not worth any amount of money these days.

[Kendo 2]

Bioware didn't get the memo that SJW bullshit doesn't sell.  The people I've talked to are all waiting to see what Andromeda is before they buy it.  If it is another attempt at libtard morality they won't be buying at all and I won't either.  And there will be a huge backlash if it is another SJW pandering game like DA:Inquisition was.  And things are different now.  No one is tolerating SJW stupidity so the usual shaming tactics to shut people up no longer work.

I keep going back to comic books as an analogy but the markets are kinda the same; male nerds and geeks.  Look at what happened with X-Men Gold and the heroes 'struggles' against bigotry and prejudiced.  Readers put up with that shit for a while and then they left.  The series sales tanked and now X-Men Gold has a new lead writer and he is focusing on the heroes being heroes again.  SJW bullshit doesn't sell and if Andromeda is contaminated by it there will be on-line Hell to pay.  And rightly so.

[Zor2k13]

I have seen some comic book stores close in nice areas over the last few years so I have to assume sales were really bad for comic books. I haven't read a comic book since maybe early 2000's in fact I can't even remember the last one I read. Once all the annoying crap started kicking in I just completely lost interest and even lost interest in the comic book movies after the first x men movie. I really wish patrick stewart had spent his time on more star trek instead of wasting his life on comic book movies but star trek turned into star wreck I guess he got out at the right time. A boiler room or whatever it was did not convince me it was an engine room period. Those idiots wrecking trek don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

[GrimReaper]

I see people are still falling for the SJW meme. Bioware has been shitting out mediocre games at best the past few years and they have made major fuck-ups as well. I'm pretty sure DA2 killed some people with the level recycling, ME3's ending must have popped some blood vessels here and there and if you go to the Hinterlands in DA:I, you can hear the wailing echoes from people who have died of boredom there.

 

There are ups and downs in every industry and publishers trying to squeeze out every bit of money out of their potential customers for very little in return is something that might lead to another crash of the industry. In 1983, something like that already happened and I don't see why it shouldn't happen again - Publishers trying to sell games for 100+ bucks on release if you want to actually have the complete game, pre-order bonuses and season passes are fucking everwhere - and asset flippers as well as copy pasted low effort indie games flooding the biggest digital distributor for games, steam.

 

A gay or transgender character has nothing to do with how well a game sells. If the game is good, most people don't care about progressive topics. The only ones that do care are the people that live in their tumblr blog or the hysterical /pol/tards on the other end of the spectrum who'll scream 'WHITE GENOCIDE' as soon as the protagonist isn't a white male. Bunch of fucking retards, all of them.

[bjornk]

I've been watching a bunch of Horizon Zero Dawn LP's recently. I don't know if the dev team includes former Bioware people, but the game definitely has a Bioware RPG vibe to it, so you might want to check that out as well. I think it's decent for a console game.

[D_ManXX2]

 

 

 

Why does Mass Effect: Andromeda´s female characters look so ugly? – Bioware SJW design 101

 

I thought the female Shepard in ME 1,2,3 were also ugly as fuck.

Yeah they were, but not as fugly as this, you were still able to make a somewhat decent looking female, its obvious it was done on purpose.

They are so far up their arse with that whole SJW garbage there is no coming back.

 

Best are the people who defend this by saying that not every woman looks like a model in real life, then you look at the male faces who look good, attractive, even resemble their real life models and the hypocrisy unveils.

 

 

That's the funny thing... they pick good looking models and make them ugly on purpose...

Or maybe they're just really bad at modelling faces

 

 

Well they never been good at it, thats true, same with animations, but i have hard time to believe that somehow their artists cant make appealing female faces when the male ones are fine 

Just google it out, you will see the difference, its not that they are only ugly some have downright weird deformations, almost like they were beating them with a stick

 

 

Maybe there gay that is why male faces are better and they dont really care for female counterpart.

[LukeDuke]

 

 

 

 

Why does Mass Effect: Andromeda´s female characters look so ugly? – Bioware SJW design 101

 

I thought the female Shepard in ME 1,2,3 were also ugly as fuck.

Yeah they were, but not as fugly as this, you were still able to make a somewhat decent looking female, its obvious it was done on purpose.

They are so far up their arse with that whole SJW garbage there is no coming back.

 

Best are the people who defend this by saying that not every woman looks like a model in real life, then you look at the male faces who look good, attractive, even resemble their real life models and the hypocrisy unveils.

 

 

That's the funny thing... they pick good looking models and make them ugly on purpose...

Or maybe they're just really bad at modelling faces

 

 

Well they never been good at it, thats true, same with animations, but i have hard time to believe that somehow their artists cant make appealing female faces when the male ones are fine 

Just google it out, you will see the difference, its not that they are only ugly some have downright weird deformations, almost like they were beating them with a stick

 

 

Maybe there gay that is why male faces are better and they dont really care for female counterpart.

 

Problem is where are they those ''prettier male faces''? If you mean Scott, he looks ok at most (his eyes are strange, almost like from zombie lol), and Liam looks average to me at best, so this point is invalid. They clearly went with ''everyone is average looking'' and not like hot super models like in the original trilogy (both males and females), which many will dislike.

I personally don't care for this that much, but I do care that facial animations and eyes looks shitty. Maybe modders will fix it again like in DAI..

[sonia82sarkar]

'Modders will fix it' certainly is a big problem, probably even bigger problem than selling a game with SJW bs. At any rate, this game//franchise//developer is already dead and gone for many fans and gamers. But let the show go on (and laugh at it from a distance)...

[Aria]

 

 

 

 

 

Why does Mass Effect: Andromeda´s female characters look so ugly? – Bioware SJW design 101

 

I thought the female Shepard in ME 1,2,3 were also ugly as fuck.

Yeah they were, but not as fugly as this, you were still able to make a somewhat decent looking female, its obvious it was done on purpose.

They are so far up their arse with that whole SJW garbage there is no coming back.

 

Best are the people who defend this by saying that not every woman looks like a model in real life, then you look at the male faces who look good, attractive, even resemble their real life models and the hypocrisy unveils.

 

 

That's the funny thing... they pick good looking models and make them ugly on purpose...

Or maybe they're just really bad at modelling faces

 

 

Well they never been good at it, thats true, same with animations, but i have hard time to believe that somehow their artists cant make appealing female faces when the male ones are fine 

Just google it out, you will see the difference, its not that they are only ugly some have downright weird deformations, almost like they were beating them with a stick

 

 

Maybe there gay that is why male faces are better and they dont really care for female counterpart.

 

Problem is where are they those ''prettier male faces''? If you mean Scott, he looks ok at most (his eyes are strange, almost like from zombie lol), and Liam looks average to me at best, so this point is invalid. They clearly went with ''everyone is average looking'' and not like hot super models like in the original trilogy (both males and females), which many will dislike.

I personally don't care for this that much, but I do care that facial animations and eyes looks shitty. Maybe modders will fix it again like in DAI..

 

I dont even know why people started with the whole beauty ideals and perfection nonsense when i was talking about the wierd structure of the faces, i said males look appealing as in their structure looks okay.

 

As for the SJW, i played DAI about 15 hours before i uninstalled and that game was full of that shit (that and the boring combat and world), so ofcourse im expecting this to appear in MEA and all of their other future games.

 

I like the ME universe and would love to jump into it again, but the whole sci-fi part will get destroyed for me with pandering to this shite, just like it did with DAI.

Unless MEA has glowing reviews, wich i doubt, i wont bother..perhaps ill pick it up in some bargain bin years later.

 

[Kargrin]

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[KoolHndLuke]

Assuming the combat mechanics, exploration, story-arch and the characters are interesting I would wonder how much the character faces could be modded. What really bothers me about EA/Bio is that they will not even acknowledge the modding community. They are idiots in this regard. While people who mod their games may be smaller in proportion to those who don't RIGHT NOW, this trend will change. Then more and more people will be wanting- no DEMANDING mods for not just this game but all future games as well. It is a trend that is fast gaining momentum- whether game devs like it or not. The writing is on the wall.  

[Zor2k13]

Why should people have to wait for a mod to fix something so incredibly obvious? Why should modders be put under that demand anyway since it is something they do in their spare time and before they can do it someone would have to figure out how to hack the game files so they could be changed. That would lead to updates from the company to stop it because any game file hacking could lead to cheating in multiplayer. So that cycle of stupid goes round and round for a while then people get sick of it and stop playing the game. This is a deliberate act of stupidity and it will cost them money.

[winny257]

Assuming the combat mechanics, exploration, story-arch and the characters are interesting I would wonder how much the character faces could be modded. What really bothers me about EA/Bio is that they will not even acknowledge the modding community. They are idiots in this regard. While people who mod their games may be smaller in proportion to those who don't RIGHT NOW, this trend will change. Then more and more people will be wanting- no DEMANDING mods for not just this game but all future games as well. It is a trend that is fast gaining momentum- whether game devs like it or not. The writing is on the wall.  

 

This is a reason, not modifiable.

But this will happen in the future with all games, the game energy is getting more complex, I just say unreal 4 engine.

For modders, it is becoming increasingly difficult this too deal with.

Good example * CONAN EXILES * despite published kits, not much happens in the modding scene. 

[Aria]

Some news: https://www.pcinvasion.com/mass-effect-andromeda-ditches-multiplayer-beta-test

 

BioWare have nonchalantly cancelled the publicised Mass Effect: Andromeda multiplayer ‘tech test’ (beta), which began signing people up in November 2016. That news is slipped casually into the middle of an official news piece talking about PAX 2017.

With the release of the full game coming up on 21 March, and ‘EA Access’ available from 16 March, the studio was already running short of time in which to conduct a beta multiplayer test. Instead, it seems, they’ve just decided not to do one.

“While we will have live multiplayer at PAX East, there will no longer be a multiplayer tech test for players at home,” the article states. “Thank you to everyone who signed up,” it adds, rather forlornly.

No reason for the cancellation is given. The multiplayer in Mass Effect: Andromeda looks like it’s going to be pretty similar to Mass Effect 3’s, but it’s still potentially concerning that the beta has been pulled at such a late stage.

[shadowlord445]

well, that's not a good sign lol

[KoolHndLuke]

Why should people have to wait for a mod to fix something so incredibly obvious? Why should modders be put under that demand anyway since it is something they do in their spare time and before they can do it someone would have to figure out how to hack the game files so they could be changed. That would lead to updates from the company to stop it because any game file hacking could lead to cheating in multiplayer. So that cycle of stupid goes round and round for a while then people get sick of it and stop playing the game. This is a deliberate act of stupidity and it will cost them money.

I think what is happening is that these games are getting "pushed" out the door too damn early. No I don't think they intentionally leave shit in the game. They probably have to prioritize everything needing work and then work on the worst problems right up until the day it ships. So I don't entirely blame the dev teams - I blame the publishers. MGSV is one example of this. Half the game was cut because of time restrictions imposed by Kanomi.

[Zor2k13]

So some of what someone here said must be true we might be looking at another collapse of the gaming industry. What happens when they just can't push out a game fast enough? failure thats what happens. Something has to replace microsoft for gaming and it is not consoles it has to be something simple and efficient and easy to work with without a bunch of legacy programming that devs hate to deal with. Hopefully the collapse comes soon so we can move on from microsoft soon.

[Kendo 2]

I think the 'average' looks of the Andromeda characters is intentional.  Attractive characters aren't SJW body-positive.

[modslave]

Multiplayer Open Beta Cancelled

 

BioWare announced there would be a multiplayer tech beta open to anyone and they've now cancelled it.

 

There are no open review copies of the game either. 

 

Take that all as you will but seems to me they don't want people to see anything about this game til after release day.

 

EDIT: sorry didn't read the post that already mentioned this, my bad.

[KoolHndLuke]

So some of what someone here said must be true we might be looking at another collapse of the gaming industry. What happens when they just can't push out a game fast enough? failure thats what happens. Something has to replace microsoft for gaming and it is not consoles it has to be something simple and efficient and easy to work with without a bunch of legacy programming that devs hate to deal with. Hopefully the collapse comes soon so we can move on from microsoft soon.

Well. I guess the days of modding the fuck outta something like Sky are behind us. At least until a more dev friendly (and consequentially mod friendly) system for game development is invented. But how could this be done if everyone is building more complicated game engines for graphics and such? I'm going to need to upgrade pc just to play this game. I am not a mod author. So I ask more knowledgeable people.

[GrimReaper]

It's neither a political agenda nor a single company that's responsible for the mess gaming has become over the past years. The whole entertainment industry suffers from being too cynical. Creativity, effort and having a vision means nothing. Doesn't matter if it is movies, anime, comics, youtube or games. The only thing that matters is sell the product and then sell some more. If you can make a quick buck, do it. Doesn't matter how, just do it. The more, the better. Integrity and being a decent human being is not something that sells so those virtues aren't important. Costumers are quick to forget and will buy the next sugarcoated turd anyway, so why bother.

 

Just look at MEA's marketing - they're happy to tell you that some planets will be bigger than the whole of Dragon Age: Inquisition, yet nobody really complained about DA:I being too small in scope. But it does make for good marketing because our lizard brain knows that bigger = better. And that's all they're trying to appeal to, the lowest common denominator. Flashy and colorful effects, pointless blabbering and constant handholding appeals to us subconsciously, and that's all the MEA gameplay video had to offer. It's the same method a casino or advertising company would operate on. Who the fuck cares if there are conveniently placed candy-striped ammo boxes in a ruin that's fucking ancient when you can press a button and something awesome^TM happens? Or terminals that hide in rocks?

 

Believing that 'but dem evul SJWs are trying to take over muh gamez' is quite frankly retarded. It's something many youtubers have smartly adapted to rake in more views and thus, more money. They're trying their hardest to maintain that narrative and people will happily look up to them so they get told what to think. As long as they validate the opinion that some sort of sinister force is trying to take over something they hold very dear all's good. If you can paint the world in 'us' and 'them' everything is easy and understandable, as long as you can blame someone, things make sense. Meanwhile, those youtubers laugh their asses off because they can make tons of clicks just by doing xyz reacts to videos. If there's anything that sells better than sex, it's anger and fear. If people aren't angry or afraid, make them.

 

[KoolHndLuke]

It's neither a political agenda nor a single company that's responsible for the mess gaming has become over the past years. The whole entertainment industry suffers from being too cynical. Creativity, effort and having a vision means nothing. Doesn't matter if it is movies, anime, comics, youtube or games. The only thing that matters is sell the product and then sell some more. If you can make a quick buck, do it. Doesn't matter how, just do it. The more, the better. Integrity and being a decent human being is not something that sells so those virtues aren't important. Costumers are quick to forget and will buy the next sugarcoated turd anyway, so why bother.

 

Just look at MEA's marketing - they're happy to tell you that some planets will be bigger than the whole of Dragon Age: Inquisition, yet nobody really complained about DA:I being too small in scope. But it does make for good marketing because our lizard brain knows that bigger = better. And that's all they're trying to appeal to, the lowest common denominator. Flashy and colorful effects, pointless blabbering and constant handholding appeals to us subconsciously, and that's all the MEA gameplay video had to offer. It's the same method a casino or advertising company would operate on. Who the fuck cares if there are conveniently placed candy-striped ammo boxes in a ruin that's fucking ancient when you can press a button and something awesome^TM happens? Or terminals that hide in rocks?

 

Believing that 'but dem evul SJWs are trying to take over muh gamez' is quite frankly retarded. It's something many youtubers have smartly adapted to rake in more views and thus, more money. They're trying their hardest to maintain that narrative and people will happily look up to them so they get told what to think. As long as they validate the opinion that some sort of sinister force is trying to take over something they hold very dear all's good. If you can paint the world in 'us' and 'them' everything is easy and understandable, as long as you can blame someone, things make sense. Meanwhile, those youtubers laugh their asses off because they can make tons of clicks just by doing xyz reacts to videos. If there's anything that sells better than sex, it's anger and fear. If people aren't angry or afraid, make them.

So where do you think the true artist that used to make games have gone? Did they die? Did they sell out like you say? Surely some game devs still value making a great game over trying to meet a monetary quota. You portray it as a disease that permeates every corner of the creative industry. While I'm not disagreeing with you- I do not think that all would gladly sell their integrity to meet a sales goal. Maybe I'm naïve in thinking this.

 

Also are people really so stupid as to believe everything they are told. If this is true then we have bigger problems than some stupid fuckin game.  

[zzz72w3r]

The more I look at the issues objectively the more I think it is not SJW and just EA being EA.  What is happening at Bioware is no different than what EA has done to other studios it had acquired.  EA takes the I out of IP, manages it as a commodity until it doesn't sell enough anymore, closes the studio down to cut cost and tells investors that players no longer care about the IP.  The strategy has minted them billions in sports games and FPS but have destroyed every other genre EA touched.  

 

The issues with character rendering and animation are clearly caused by Frostbite neglect because DICE doesn't need its characters to look good (just check out other Frostbite games, their characters are worse than DA:I and ME:A).  DICE priorities lie elsewhere with Frostbite and EA not given Bioware studios the resources and time to modify the engine.  Zenimax also has id Tech as its flagship game engine but it chose not to use it on FO4, TES6 could be on id Tech but that would mean 10+ years for Bethesda to get id Tech to suit its needs.  Frostbite was forced on Bioware and it cranks out 2 big games in 6 years using tools not ideally suited for those games.  I am seeing character improvements from DA:I to ME:A but they still suck for modern character driven games.  Coming from Unreal in ME trilogy we have high expectations and Frostbite didn't deliver because MBA in EA care more about synergy and quarterly earnings than making good games.

 

Bioware games have always had socially progressive elements.  Games from KOTOR all have strong female and homosexual characters.  Had Jade Empire were made today it would probably win a ton of awards because that's how awards are given nowadays.  Did we complain?  No because the stories were fresh and writings were pretty good.  DA:I and probably ME:A have bad writing not because SJW but because the writings just weren't good.  Good writers left not because of politics but because EA only wants to repackage the same shit to sell.  So the franchises are either left with inferior writers or writers being told to write using a checklist.  Without immersive narratives to draw us in, we as players start to notice the other shit like the minor socially progressive messages that were always there.  SJW also flames the fire by attacking Bioware games, which misled us into thinking it is the reason that the games have gotten worse.  EA couldn't care less about SJW in its product planning because it has no soul, but mostly because SJW never contributed into their sales target.  

[Zor2k13]

Sigh....

 

I don't call this progressive at all https://heatst.com/culture-wars/mass-effect-designer-manveer-heir-hates-white-people-and-wants-the-world-to-know/

 

The guy lectures people at some dev conference on racism then tweets all this shit on a regular basis what a hypocrite. Nothing is really progressing at all it is just liberal BS but it won't fly much longer. I don't care if people want to be gay or not whatever but when it is shoved in my face in just about every dam game it becomes obvious what is going on. Nobody cares about some npc sexual orientation and why would it be relevant in a game anyway? Why would there be a need for a gay shuttle pilot in ME3? Who cares it is just some guy in an fps game what place does that shit have there? Now in some interactive game centered on talking and going places and doing things and little or no combat or no fps yeah a lot of things would be relevant because it would mostly be story and dialogue driven but a shooter game where people are rushing around doing missions and stuff nobody wants that mine field to step through.

 

We know EA is greedy but why didn't they monetize this liberal crap instead of freely shoving it in there? You get the base game with ugly characters then you can get the gay DLC or the lesbo DLC or the whatever the hell lady gaga is DLC etc. oh and attack helicopter DLC lol. Seriously though why not make more money by separating it all into DLCs did it just slip their minds or what?

 

This whole thing is definitely political just look at all the mess going on since trump was elected and look at europe too. A lot of things are political I don't think EA is just brain dead dumb no they have their motivations but we have those rumors years ago about people showing up to work high and drunk too. They totally destroyed a game they were working on set in the command and conquer universe where you could go down on the battlefield from RTS view and be one of the units instead of just playing RTS only. I remember the ads for it but they were short lived. I think even some devs from wing commander games were involved can't remember their names though it has been so long since that happened.

[KoolHndLuke]

The more I look at the issues objectively the more I think it is not SJW and just EA being EA.  What is happening at Bioware is no different than what EA has done to other studios it had acquired.  EA takes the I out of IP, manages it as a commodity until it doesn't sell enough anymore, closes the studio down to cut cost and tells investors that players no longer care about the IP.  The strategy has minted them billions in sports games and FPS but have destroyed every other genre EA touched.  

 

The issues with character rendering and animation are clearly caused by Frostbite neglect because DICE doesn't need its characters to look good (just check out other Frostbite games, their characters are worse than DA:I and ME:A).  DICE priorities lie elsewhere with Frostbite and EA not given Bioware studios the resources and time to modify the engine.  Zenimax also has id Tech as its flagship game engine but it chose not to use it on FO4, TES6 could be on id Tech but that would mean 10+ years for Bethesda to get id Tech to suit its needs.  Frostbite was forced on Bioware and it cranks out 2 big games in 6 years using tools not ideally suited for those games.  I am seeing character improvements from DA:I to ME:A but they still suck for modern character driven games.  Coming from Unreal in ME trilogy we have high expectations and Frostbite didn't deliver because MBA in EA care more about synergy and quarterly earnings than making good games.

 

Bioware games have always had socially progressive elements.  Games from KOTOR all have strong female and homosexual characters.  Had Jade Empire were made today it would probably win a ton of awards because that's how awards are given nowadays.  Did we complain?  No because the stories were fresh and writings were pretty good.  DA:I and probably ME:A have bad writing not because SJW but because the writings just weren't good.  Good writers left not because of politics but because EA only wants to repackage the same shit to sell.  So the franchises are either left with inferior writers or writers being told to write using a checklist.  Without immersive narratives to draw us in, we as players start to notice the other shit like the minor socially progressive messages that were always there.  SJW also flames the fire by attacking Bioware games, which misled us into thinking it is the reason that the games have gotten worse.  EA couldn't care less about SJW in its product planning because it has no soul, but mostly because SJW never contributed into their sales target.  

I would love to tell you your wrong. But I'm pretty sure you nailed it. I'm kinda seeing EA as the Gordan Gecko of gaming now. I mean I always knew that Bio was not happy to say the least at being gobbled up by them. But I heard reports that EA was giving Bio much more freedom to do what they wanted. Seems those rumors were baseless though. I will reserve final judgement until I actually see the game. But this certainly doesn't give me much hope.

 

Still plenty of other games if this another half-assed effort though.