Mister X Posted December 15, 2022 Posted December 15, 2022 25 minutes ago, toiladanfake1996 said: You have one or more plugins that are not form 44. They are: • Devious Devices - Assets.esm (form 43) • Devious Devices - Contraptions.esm (form 43) • Devious Devices - Expansion.esm (form 43) • Devious Devices - Integration.esm (form 43) • Devious Devices For Him.esp (form 43) Form 43 (or lower) plugins are modules that were made for Skyrim LE (Oldrim) and have not been properly ported to Skyrim Special Edition, which uses form 44 plugins. This usually results in parts of the mod not working correctly. To be converted, these plugins simply need to be opened and saved with the SSE Creation Kit but their presence can be an indication that a mod was not properly ported to SSE and so can potentially have additional issues. Online guides can have more information on how to correctly convert mods for Skyrim SE. This is intended, as converting from Form 43 to Form 44 can break things, too, and there are hardly any mods that really NEED a conversion (mainly mods that alter water structures if I remember correctly)
Gh0sTG0 Posted December 15, 2022 Posted December 15, 2022 30 minutes ago, toiladanfake1996 said: You have one or more plugins that are not form 44. They are: And... I see some number of guides that are providing info about ^This is not too correct. Like, this problem is overhyped. Like here, DD is created on skyrim LE and... here things are working, when we use converted, but saved in form 43 DD (or how there's conversation is done now, didn't dig too deep into the topic). If I remember correct, in the beginning of things great guys that are doing conversations for us find, that it will req not only converting, but reprogramming mod to be used with form 44...
coldezra Posted December 15, 2022 Posted December 15, 2022 How do i fix this? sorry i am new to modding and i am not finding the tail in outfits in bodyslide
zarantha Posted December 16, 2022 Posted December 16, 2022 8 hours ago, coldezra said: How do i fix this? sorry i am new to modding and i am not finding the tail in outfits in bodyslide Install Faster HDT SMP. Or if you installed it already, make sure you made the right selections for your game version. Tails not in the right place means HDT SMP is not installed or not working. CBPC is not a substitute for HDT SMP for these devices. 1
zarantha Posted December 16, 2022 Posted December 16, 2022 (edited) 15 hours ago, toiladanfake1996 said: You have one or more plugins that are not form 44. They are: • Devious Devices - Assets.esm (form 43) • Devious Devices - Contraptions.esm (form 43) • Devious Devices - Expansion.esm (form 43) • Devious Devices - Integration.esm (form 43) • Devious Devices For Him.esp (form 43) Form 43 (or lower) plugins are modules that were made for Skyrim LE (Oldrim) and have not been properly ported to Skyrim Special Edition, which uses form 44 plugins. This usually results in parts of the mod not working correctly. To be converted, these plugins simply need to be opened and saved with the SSE Creation Kit but their presence can be an indication that a mod was not properly ported to SSE and so can potentially have additional issues. Online guides can have more information on how to correctly convert mods for Skyrim SE. Conversion for form 44 is not required. If you must be one of THOSE people who don't read up on this stuff and insist it be form 44 then install the DD 5.2 beta linked on the troubleshooting post since i'm giving up on educating people that this shit is not needed and who can't be bothered to search a thread for something that's been talked about at least 100 times. Even LL's shitty search could find this. Edit: Sorry for the harsh post, but this gets asked so often it's beyond annoying at this point. Please, in the future, try searching first instead of just posting. Your issues are very likely not unique. Edited December 16, 2022 by zarantha 1
mikesolo1975 Posted December 16, 2022 Posted December 16, 2022 (edited) 15 hours ago, zarantha said: Conversion for form 44 is not required. If you must be one of THOSE people who don't read up on this stuff and insist it be form 44 then install the DD 5.2 beta linked on the troubleshooting post since i'm giving up on educating people that this shit is not needed and who can't be bothered to search a thread for something that's been talked about at least 100 times. Even LL's shitty search could find this. Edit: Sorry for the harsh post, but this gets asked so often it's beyond annoying at this point. Please, in the future, try searching first instead of just posting. Your issues are very likely not unique. ZARANTHA as reason. i have a lot of mods installed in forme 43 and i never have a problem with that. Edited December 16, 2022 by mikesolo1975
zarantha Posted December 17, 2022 Posted December 17, 2022 8 hours ago, mikesolo1975 said: ZARANTHA as reason. i have a lot of mods installed in forme 43 and i never have a problem with that. Yes, I know. I have the same. But the number of people asking about form 43/44 is on par with people having bodyslide issues. At this point, i'm resaving them to get rid of some of the noise so there's a better chance of seeing real issues. 1
mikesolo1975 Posted December 17, 2022 Posted December 17, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, zarantha said: Yes, I know. I have the same. But the number of people asking about form 43/44 is on par with people having bodyslide issues. At this point, i'm resaving them to get rid of some of the noise so there's a better chance of seeing real issues. it's true and i understand you my friend, there are people dont bother search for the real issues in the mods. Edited December 17, 2022 by mikesolo1975
coldezra Posted December 17, 2022 Posted December 17, 2022 On 12/16/2022 at 9:01 AM, zarantha said: Install Faster HDT SMP. Or if you installed it already, make sure you made the right selections for your game version. Tails not in the right place means HDT SMP is not installed or not working. CBPC is not a substitute for HDT SMP for these devices. Thanks it worked
Ghostman7nz Posted December 17, 2022 Posted December 17, 2022 Does anyone know if there is a patch for Devious Devices and Racial Skin Variance? If so a link would be super
zarantha Posted December 17, 2022 Posted December 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Ghostman7nz said: Does anyone know if there is a patch for Devious Devices and Racial Skin Variance? If so a link would be super Not that I'm aware of.
onen Posted December 20, 2022 Posted December 20, 2022 Trying out Beta10 RC1 and I've got a new problem on the Chloe quest. When trying to pick a herb after being locked up in chains i get the message "You can't do that with your arms bound!" which is from zaz's zbfSlot.pex. I've updated only a few mods since a previous start that didn't have this problem but can't track down which is causing it or if any MCM option can avoid it. Tough to do the Chloe quest if I can't pick a lavender... Anyone else have this problem?
zarantha Posted December 20, 2022 Posted December 20, 2022 10 hours ago, onen said: Trying out Beta10 RC1 and I've got a new problem on the Chloe quest. When trying to pick a herb after being locked up in chains i get the message "You can't do that with your arms bound!" which is from zaz's zbfSlot.pex. I've updated only a few mods since a previous start that didn't have this problem but can't track down which is causing it or if any MCM option can avoid it. Tough to do the Chloe quest if I can't pick a lavender... Anyone else have this problem? Make sure you're using zaz 7 or 8 i guess. I've never had that problem. And even so, if you're sure it's coming from zaz, it's not DCL's fault.
chaimhewast Posted December 20, 2022 Posted December 20, 2022 12 hours ago, onen said: Trying out Beta10 RC1 and I've got a new problem on the Chloe quest. When trying to pick a herb after being locked up in chains i get the message "You can't do that with your arms bound!" which is from zaz's zbfSlot.pex. I've updated only a few mods since a previous start that didn't have this problem but can't track down which is causing it or if any MCM option can avoid it. Tough to do the Chloe quest if I can't pick a lavender... Anyone else have this problem? Are you using Sexlab Survival, by chance? It has a feature that gives almost the same message, although it's in first person ("I" and "my") instead of second ("You" and "your"). If that's the case, check its MCM for "Devious Effects".
Tockly Posted December 20, 2022 Posted December 20, 2022 'Ello long time modder first time poster here, Did a fresh install and downgrade to SE went to add my usual mod list from memory. Eeduced it by quite a few getting a few strange bugs, none of my mods detect a version number and fail. Also i'm not getting any prompts putting on or taking off devices Example; Load order; Spoiler Skyrim.esm Update.esm Dawnguard.esm HearthFires.esm Dragonborn.esm SkyUI_SE.esp Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp Unofficial Skyrim Modders Patch.esp SexLab.esm SexLabAroused.esm Devious Devices - Assets.esm Devious Devices - Integration.esm Devious Devices - Expansion.esm Devious Devices - Contraptions.esm Campfire.esm Better Dynamic Snow SE - DisableRefs.esm FISS.esp Expressive Facegen Morphs.esl UHDAP - MusicHQ.esp ZaZAnimationPack.esm Skyrim - Utility Mod.esm ApachiiHairFemales.esm ApachiiHair.esm Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm UHDAP - en4.esp UHDAP - en3.esp UHDAP - en2.esp UHDAP - en1.esp UHDAP - en0.esp Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul - Skyrim.esp Obsidian Weathers.esp SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp Better Dynamic Snow SE.esp Devious Devices For Him.esp Devious Devices SE patch.esp SkyrimPlatformBridge.esp EnhancedLightsandFX.esp ELFX - Exteriors.esp iNeed.esp iNeed - Extended.esp Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp Cutting Room Floor.esp BetterQuestObjectives.esp BetterQuestObjectives-DBForevertoMisc.esp Embers XD - Fire Magick Add-On.esp dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp MysticismMagic.esp MilkModNEW.esp xazPrisonOverhaulPatched.esp MilkMod_MilkPumpsFancy.esp Man Those Borders!.esp Embers XD.esp EmbersXD-Campfire Patch.esp BarenziahQuestMarkers_Droppable.esp Abduction.esp SLUTS.esp SimplyKnock.esp SL Survival.esp Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp Point The Way.esp Immersive Weapons.esp Milk Addict.esp Skyrim Unlimited Rings And Amulets SSE.esp noobletstendarrinquisition.esp TheChoiceIsYours.esp SexLabSkoomaWhore.esp SpellResearch.esp Spell Research - Even More Patches.esp Deviously Cursed Loot.esp SkyrimSewers.esp TheAmazingWorldOfBikiniArmorExtended.esp Cloaks.esp Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp MaximumCarnage.esp Hunters Not Bandits.esp RaceMenuMorphsHIMBO.esp MultiStageTransform.esp AMatterOfTime.esp Improved Eyes Skyrim.esp Improved Eyes Skyrim - Vamp.esp sandboxcylinderheight.esp Immersive Armors Weight Patch.esp Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp Slaverun_Reloaded.esp Slaves of Tamriel.esp Debauchery.esp Hunterborn.esp Hunterborn - iNeed Patch.esp Hunterborn - Campfire Patch.esp Laura's Bondage Shop.esp TentaCave.esp DeviousFollowers.esp Embers XD - Patch - ELFX.esp DeviousBanditCaptives.esp UnforgivingDevices.esp UnforgivingDevices - DD Patch.esp Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp SimpleSlavery.esp Missives.esp Embers XD - Patch - ELFX Exteriors.esp BreakableEquipmentSystem.esp sztkUtil.esp RaceMenu.esp RaceMenuPlugin.esp RoadInspections.esp Deviously Enslaved.esp SL Dirty Deeds Missives.esp AnukethFollowers7.esp ForgottenMagic_Redone.esp Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp State of Dress.esp Gossip.esp Devious Devices - Equip.esp ClassicClasses.esp SWT1.2.esp Sexlab Release.esp SexLabSquirtR.esp SexlabAmmoUnequip.esp SexLab Vanilla Voices.esp MilkModNEW HF.esp MilkModNEW CF.esp Serial Strip Merged.esp SLAnimLoader.esp SLDrunkRedux.esp SexLabHorribleHarassment.esp Spank That Ass.esp WetandCold.esp DeviousMimicClothes.esp dD Enchanted Chests.esp SexLabDefeat.esp SexLabDangerousNights2.esp mslDeviousCaptures.esp Devious Heatrise.esp DD_Helpers.esp DeviouslyHelpless.esp UnforgivingDevices - LBS Patch.esp UnforgivingDevices - DCL Patch.esp TheMilkMaid.esp Missives - Solstheim.esp SLUTSPrisonOverhaulPatch.esp SexLab UtilityPlus.esp SexLab Inflation Framework.esp KS Hairdo's.esp Schlongs of Skyrim.esp SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp SlaveTats.esp TrueDirectionalMovement.esp UltimateCombat.esp UnreadBooksGlow.esp VioLens SE.esp VolumeticMistsSolstheim.esp VolumeticMists.esp WardsFunctionalitiesExtended.esp Chesko_WearableLantern.esp FleshFX.esp Mysticism_FleshFX_Patch.esp 3BBB.esp SOSRaceMenu.esp CBBE.esp HPP - Vaermina's Torpor.esp RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp XPMSE.esp FNIS.esp MCMHelper.esp Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul.esp Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp BetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.esp RAO - Alternate Start Patch.esp Deviously Cursed Loot LAL AddOn.esp MergedPatch.esp ELFX - Hardcore.esp Alternate Start ELFX Fix.esp
alexsl Posted December 21, 2022 Posted December 21, 2022 does it ever happen to anyone when you do remove device in the mcm that it just doesnt remove it ? Heck even DCL doesnt remove the device and i know they came from various even cause by DCL. Its super odd.
onen Posted December 21, 2022 Posted December 21, 2022 9 hours ago, chaimhewast said: Are you using Sexlab Survival, by chance? It has a feature that gives almost the same message, although it's in first person ("I" and "my") instead of second ("You" and "your"). If that's the case, check its MCM for "Devious Effects". That was it! The sls mcm devious effects checkbox says pickpocket, lock picking but apparently harvesting too. I was wrong about zaz, its text says "hands bound!" where sls says "arms bound!" Thanks. BTW, the chains around the pink catsuit on the Chloe quest fit and look great with 3ba v0.8b.
Guest Posted December 21, 2022 Posted December 21, 2022 On 12/1/2022 at 5:37 AM, zero2infinity said: Just curious, as I decided to axe Nemesis from my load order, is there a combat mod similar to CGO that you use? It's the one thing dependent on Nemesis that I was hesitant to remove. Sorry for replying awfully late, but no, I don't use any combat mod. In general, my gameplay mods are mostly restricted to the LL stuff, AI overhaul and EFF. The LL stuff causes the biggest part as you can imagine since they alter the environment quite heavy script-wise.
zarantha Posted December 21, 2022 Posted December 21, 2022 21 hours ago, Tockly said: 'Ello long time modder first time poster here, Did a fresh install and downgrade to SE went to add my usual mod list from memory. Eeduced it by quite a few getting a few strange bugs, none of my mods detect a version number and fail. Also i'm not getting any prompts putting on or taking off devices Example; Load order; Reveal hidden contents Skyrim.esm Update.esm Dawnguard.esm HearthFires.esm Dragonborn.esm SkyUI_SE.esp Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp Unofficial Skyrim Modders Patch.esp SexLab.esm SexLabAroused.esm Devious Devices - Assets.esm Devious Devices - Integration.esm Devious Devices - Expansion.esm Devious Devices - Contraptions.esm Campfire.esm Better Dynamic Snow SE - DisableRefs.esm FISS.esp Expressive Facegen Morphs.esl UHDAP - MusicHQ.esp ZaZAnimationPack.esm Skyrim - Utility Mod.esm ApachiiHairFemales.esm ApachiiHair.esm Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm UHDAP - en4.esp UHDAP - en3.esp UHDAP - en2.esp UHDAP - en1.esp UHDAP - en0.esp Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul - Skyrim.esp Obsidian Weathers.esp SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp Better Dynamic Snow SE.esp Devious Devices For Him.esp Devious Devices SE patch.esp SkyrimPlatformBridge.esp EnhancedLightsandFX.esp ELFX - Exteriors.esp iNeed.esp iNeed - Extended.esp Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp Cutting Room Floor.esp BetterQuestObjectives.esp BetterQuestObjectives-DBForevertoMisc.esp Embers XD - Fire Magick Add-On.esp dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp MysticismMagic.esp MilkModNEW.esp xazPrisonOverhaulPatched.esp MilkMod_MilkPumpsFancy.esp Man Those Borders!.esp Embers XD.esp EmbersXD-Campfire Patch.esp BarenziahQuestMarkers_Droppable.esp Abduction.esp SLUTS.esp SimplyKnock.esp SL Survival.esp Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp Point The Way.esp Immersive Weapons.esp Milk Addict.esp Skyrim Unlimited Rings And Amulets SSE.esp noobletstendarrinquisition.esp TheChoiceIsYours.esp SexLabSkoomaWhore.esp SpellResearch.esp Spell Research - Even More Patches.esp Deviously Cursed Loot.esp SkyrimSewers.esp TheAmazingWorldOfBikiniArmorExtended.esp Cloaks.esp Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp MaximumCarnage.esp Hunters Not Bandits.esp RaceMenuMorphsHIMBO.esp MultiStageTransform.esp AMatterOfTime.esp Improved Eyes Skyrim.esp Improved Eyes Skyrim - Vamp.esp sandboxcylinderheight.esp Immersive Armors Weight Patch.esp Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp Slaverun_Reloaded.esp Slaves of Tamriel.esp Debauchery.esp Hunterborn.esp Hunterborn - iNeed Patch.esp Hunterborn - Campfire Patch.esp Laura's Bondage Shop.esp TentaCave.esp DeviousFollowers.esp Embers XD - Patch - ELFX.esp DeviousBanditCaptives.esp UnforgivingDevices.esp UnforgivingDevices - DD Patch.esp Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp SimpleSlavery.esp Missives.esp Embers XD - Patch - ELFX Exteriors.esp BreakableEquipmentSystem.esp sztkUtil.esp RaceMenu.esp RaceMenuPlugin.esp RoadInspections.esp Deviously Enslaved.esp SL Dirty Deeds Missives.esp AnukethFollowers7.esp ForgottenMagic_Redone.esp Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp State of Dress.esp Gossip.esp Devious Devices - Equip.esp ClassicClasses.esp SWT1.2.esp Sexlab Release.esp SexLabSquirtR.esp SexlabAmmoUnequip.esp SexLab Vanilla Voices.esp MilkModNEW HF.esp MilkModNEW CF.esp Serial Strip Merged.esp SLAnimLoader.esp SLDrunkRedux.esp SexLabHorribleHarassment.esp Spank That Ass.esp WetandCold.esp DeviousMimicClothes.esp dD Enchanted Chests.esp SexLabDefeat.esp SexLabDangerousNights2.esp mslDeviousCaptures.esp Devious Heatrise.esp DD_Helpers.esp DeviouslyHelpless.esp UnforgivingDevices - LBS Patch.esp UnforgivingDevices - DCL Patch.esp TheMilkMaid.esp Missives - Solstheim.esp SLUTSPrisonOverhaulPatch.esp SexLab UtilityPlus.esp SexLab Inflation Framework.esp KS Hairdo's.esp Schlongs of Skyrim.esp SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp SlaveTats.esp TrueDirectionalMovement.esp UltimateCombat.esp UnreadBooksGlow.esp VioLens SE.esp VolumeticMistsSolstheim.esp VolumeticMists.esp WardsFunctionalitiesExtended.esp Chesko_WearableLantern.esp FleshFX.esp Mysticism_FleshFX_Patch.esp 3BBB.esp SOSRaceMenu.esp CBBE.esp HPP - Vaermina's Torpor.esp RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp XPMSE.esp FNIS.esp MCMHelper.esp Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul.esp Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp BetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.esp RAO - Alternate Start Patch.esp Deviously Cursed Loot LAL AddOn.esp MergedPatch.esp ELFX - Hardcore.esp Alternate Start ELFX Fix.esp The only supported versions of DD are 5.1 and 5.2beta. Make sure you have NOT installed the separately available DDa, DDi, DDx, DDc, DD for Him, or DD BRRF. These are all available now in a single installer and installing the separate versions will break DD. Also, DO NOT install patches for other versions of DD. Installing patches for versions that do not match your installed DD version will also break DD. As long as DD is initializing properly, there's nothing DD can do to fix this. To check if DD's DLL is initializing properly, you can check the skse64.log in \Documents\My Games\Skyrim Special Edition\SKSE. If it's not, make sure you installed the right DLL for your downgraded game version. 5.1 only has 1.5.97, 5.2beta10 supports all SE, AE, and GOG versions. To download just the DLL for newer AE/GOG versions, look on the troubleshooting post. Odds are though, you'll need to check the Deviously Helpless support thread for a patch or how to fix.
zarantha Posted December 21, 2022 Posted December 21, 2022 19 hours ago, alexsl said: does it ever happen to anyone when you do remove device in the mcm that it just doesnt remove it ? Heck even DCL doesnt remove the device and i know they came from various even cause by DCL. Its super odd. Open the console and wait. Also, DCL's remove function is broke for some devices. It's not recommended really to use them because they absolutely will break quests even when they are working right, why are you? If have a bugged device, the safest method is to go back to an earlier save and try that step in the quest again. If this is leon's quest and it's the piercing, console in leon's key to remove it.
alexsl Posted December 21, 2022 Posted December 21, 2022 2 hours ago, zarantha said: Open the console and wait. Also, DCL's remove function is broke for some devices. It's not recommended really to use them because they absolutely will break quests even when they are working right, why are you? If have a bugged device, the safest method is to go back to an earlier save and try that step in the quest again. If this is leon's quest and it's the piercing, console in leon's key to remove it. No the device didnt came from a quest. But from just random event like looting a chest, body or whatever.
Tockly Posted December 22, 2022 Posted December 22, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, zarantha said: The only supported versions of DD are 5.1 and 5.2beta. Make sure you have NOT installed the separately available DDa, DDi, DDx, DDc, DD for Him, or DD BRRF. These are all available now in a single installer and installing the separate versions will break DD. Also, DO NOT install patches for other versions of DD. Installing patches for versions that do not match your installed DD version will also break DD. As long as DD is initializing properly, there's nothing DD can do to fix this. To check if DD's DLL is initializing properly, you can check the skse64.log in \Documents\My Games\Skyrim Special Edition\SKSE. If it's not, make sure you installed the right DLL for your downgraded game version. 5.1 only has 1.5.97, 5.2beta10 supports all SE, AE, and GOG versions. To download just the DLL for newer AE/GOG versions, look on the troubleshooting post. Odds are though, you'll need to check the Deviously Helpless support thread for a patch or how to fix. Welp, thank you turns out i had a mod for dd 4 installed that i missed, apologies for thank and again thank you for your consistent help on this thread. Edited December 22, 2022 by Tockly
ck2modfan Posted December 23, 2022 Posted December 23, 2022 Enjoy the struggle animations for blindfold, restrictive gloves, boots, etc. Are there any addons or additional files for animations for all the struggle animations? If not, are there any plans to have all categories covered in the future? Thanks!
zarantha Posted December 23, 2022 Posted December 23, 2022 13 hours ago, ck2modfan said: Enjoy the struggle animations for blindfold, restrictive gloves, boots, etc. Are there any addons or additional files for animations for all the struggle animations? If not, are there any plans to have all categories covered in the future? Thanks! That would require someone knowing how to animate making the animations and then giving kimy permission to use them. afaik, there are no animators contributing to DD anymore, so this is unlikely to happen.
zarantha Posted December 23, 2022 Posted December 23, 2022 On 12/21/2022 at 6:18 PM, alexsl said: No the device didnt came from a quest. But from just random event like looting a chest, body or whatever. Then your best option when removing a device is to unlock it, exit the inventory menu, and open the console and wait. You can try installing the DD 5.2 beta from the troubleshooting post, which has improvements to device removal, but that would only work if the device is not bugged. Depending on how it's bugged, even the console debug options might not be able to remove it, which is why it's best to go back to an earlier save.
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