[AAF] Sexual Harassment (12/20/2024)

[izzyknows]

24 minutes ago, LynErso666 said:

Why would an esm ever need to load last?

You can't load a master (esm) after an esp, the engine would let you.

[eflat01]

21 hours ago, IBAGadget said:

DD doesn't have the settings to limit things, but Roggvir's Devious Devices Manager does, and I've been using that to eliminate things that I don't want to have slapped on my character.

 

DD I think will give you individual percentages, but I don't think you can eliminate devices altogether. There will always be a chance.

Thx for correcting me, that's what I use.

[sen4mi]

2 hours ago, LynErso666 said:

But some of the things in the menu are very very sensitive to the smallest change, while other I suppose do need a big push for you to notice them.

This accurately describes my difficulties.

 

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I want the submission issues to be difficult, and likely to happen, but I do not want them to become overwhelming. And right now, the things I know to tune either are a flat chance of an event (which means that once things progress beyond trivial they quickly become overwhelming) or -- worse -- are additive percentages which mostly are trivial and then all of a sudden override everything else.

 

[LynErso666]

16 minutes ago, sen4mi said:

This accurately describes my difficulties.

 

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I want the submission issues to be difficult, and likely to happen, but I do not want them to become overwhelming. And right now, the things I know to tune either are a flat chance of an event (which means that once things progress beyond trivial they quickly become overwhelming) or -- worse -- are additive percentages which mostly are trivial and then all of a sudden override everything else.

 

Hmm Idk really, it seems easy to pass the attempts sometimes and then not so much other times. Perhaps setting morality levels lower and the confidence levels higher will make things more balanced if you find a healthy balance there. But I'm not really sure yet. I probably have it set up harder than you'd like from the sounds of it. But adjusting these settings is more time-consuming and tricky to me than an easy-looking integral that then takes a week to solve. I'm prolly gonna have to mess with this for a week before I have a good idea of the balance, but and if I do, I will send you that Settings Manager file, thanks to Izzknows pointing out a way for me.

Edited August 10, 2023 by LynErso666

[LynErso666]

2 hours ago, LynErso666 said:

O yee no I get none of that stuff. Peeps say things like "And ima equip these on you" and nothing happens and it moves on and then handcuffs work. A few occasions of a gagging pop up but often it just adds it to my inventory, unequips my dam earrings, and doesn't equip the gag, lol. So like unless Violate or SEU conflicts with it or something else, Idk what in the world would just make mods act like Devious Devices is basically not there. Just one thing from it. It's weird. But that's all I've seen from this mod and DD together in a few different playthroughs now. 

Edit: Ima probably just try loading DD last, cuz iz loading before SH, and Idk, maybe it's not supposed to. Maybe something is burning all the books in the DD_Library quest for all I know. But like...it's an esm... Why would an esm ever need to load last? Ooof this is weird.

I can't get the Shock Collars even to work. Like I force fan approaches after setting the collar chance to 100 and it just never ever happens. It's always the same thing, massage, handcuffs, over and over.

[eflat01]

1 hour ago, LynErso666 said:

O yee no I get none of that stuff. Peeps say things like "And ima equip these on you" and nothing happens and it moves on and then handcuffs work. A few occasions of a gagging pop up but often it just adds it to my inventory, unequips my dam earrings, and doesn't equip the gag, lol. So like unless Violate or SEU conflicts with it or something else, Idk what in the world would just make mods act like Devious Devices is basically not there. Just one thing from it. It's weird. But that's all I've seen from this mod and DD together in a few different playthroughs now. 

Edit: Ima probably just try loading DD last, cuz iz loading before SH, and Idk, maybe it's not supposed to. Maybe something is burning all the books in the DD_Library quest for all I know. But like...it's an esm... Why would an esm ever need to load last? Ooof this is weird.

 

I may be wrong but it looks like this mod given the chances - set up in the MCM menu - calls the function EquipDevice which is in DD to do it. 

 

If it's going into your inventory I can't help but wonder why, is AAF possibly undressing it or what?

 

[vaultbait]

33 minutes ago, eflat01 said:

 

I may be wrong but it looks like this mod given the chances - set up in the MCM menu - calls the function EquipDevice which is in DD to do it. 

 

If it's going into your inventory I can't help but wonder why, is AAF possibly undressing it or what?

 

 

DD RC8 includes a protected equipment keyword to let AAF know not to strip its devices. DD 2.0 doesn't have that by default, though there's an old patch floating around to add it (I've lost track of the link since I've been using the newer community edits of DD like RC8 and its predecessors/successors for a very long time now).

[LynErso666]

51 minutes ago, vaultbait said:

 

DD RC8 includes a protected equipment keyword to let AAF know not to strip its devices. DD 2.0 doesn't have that by default, though there's an old patch floating around to add it (I've lost track of the link since I've been using the newer community edits of DD like RC8 and its predecessors/successors for a very long time now).

O nozies. Well I've looked around and I can't seem to find any patches for it. Oooof o well. I guess iz just one of those things for me. I started a couple new games recently with just some basic AAF stuff and clothing mods and their slutty keywords patch for SH, and I still can't get any different results. I've tried to find some global variable too but it doesn't seem to work. Sliding the real handcuffs chance to 0 and DD to 100 still just gives me the handcuffs. I give uuuuup! lol It's alright. I'll just use it as is tho, iz fine.

[eflat01]

1 hour ago, LynErso666 said:

O nozies. Well I've looked around and I can't seem to find any patches for it. Oooof o well. I guess iz just one of those things for me. I started a couple new games recently with just some basic AAF stuff and clothing mods and their slutty keywords patch for SH, and I still can't get any different results. I've tried to find some global variable too but it doesn't seem to work. Sliding the real handcuffs chance to 0 and DD to 100 still just gives me the handcuffs. I give uuuuup! lol It's alright. I'll just use it as is tho, iz fine.

 

I've never had that issue with either 2.0 or RC8. the links to both  are on the aaf f' manual page. I use RC8 but I had used 2.0 before... and I never had that issue, and I set all of DD to 5% with a four item max after that first time. Still the sales from number of DD items could subsidize Hannah's drinking and drug problems. 

 

One thing dawns on me is certain approaches in Harassment have DD devices as a result and those are set by chance in the MCM settings... Harassment is not very straight forward with any chances in MCM... chance in type of approach setting especially is not easy to figure out which type of approach in chance wins out - even with set evenly.

 

AAF file AAF_equipmentSetData.xml controls the unequip and reequip for scenes. reminds me I been meaning to disable Hannah's piercings' from being removed.

 

 

Edited August 11, 2023 by eflat01

[valcon767]

9 hours ago, LynErso666 said:

O nozies. Well I've looked around and I can't seem to find any patches for it. Oooof o well. I guess iz just one of those things for me. I started a couple new games recently with just some basic AAF stuff and clothing mods and their slutty keywords patch for SH, and I still can't get any different results. I've tried to find some global variable too but it doesn't seem to work. Sliding the real handcuffs chance to 0 and DD to 100 still just gives me the handcuffs. I give uuuuup! lol It's alright. I'll just use it as is tho, iz fine.

ok a couple of thing to make sure you are aware of

 

DD does not add devices to you, just to the game.

Violate has a setting for adding devices to you when you lose (and you can set the chances of them putting devices on you and how many at max).

Deviously Cursed Wasteland can add devices to you, with the Cursed Menu mod for DCW you can tune how often traps (devices being put on you) can trigger easier.

      you can adjust setting by console if you do not have the add on Cursed Menu mod.

SH can add devices on some approaches, some approaches are only triggered if you are already wearing devices.

    Blackmail and Sex approaches can add devices to you (more than just handcuffs) 

    Fan and Hypno approaches are collar only IIRC

    Flirt approaches are chastity and possibly more IIRC

    Shock Collar approaches - i have never had one trigger unless i was already wearing a shock collar.

    Flirt and Sex approaches can add them to you while they are having their way with you, and sometimes will remove them, sometimes leave them when done

    Blackmail, Fan, and Hypno approaches usually leave them on you if they put them on.

i am sure there are other mods that can add them to you, and leave them on you  but i just do not remember which offhand.

not sure of which (DD or DCW) adds "Kimy" to the Memory Den (in Goodneighbor) where you can buy and sell devices. i think its DD but am not sure right now.

 

side note regarding SH, being rude and/or refusing approaches tends to put devices on more than agreeing.

 

between Violate, DCW, and SH (mostly sex/blackmail) i get put in stuff a fair amount of the time.

 

hope the information helps

 

[Milk357]

this fails to start aaf scene like 50%
sometimes it just works as intended but sometimes the scene doesnt start and the target NPC just walk away, leaving the player cuffed and unable to move 

other aaf mods like violate dont have this problem, only this mod does for years

 

 

nothing much more to explain. the player gets knocked down(by suspicious drink or physically forced to) and the aaf scene doesnt start. the attacker NPC just stand still(or sometimes walkaway). waiting doesnt nothing, just after sometime another SH event happens, while the player is still knocked out and cant make any control.
this bug doesnt Always happen, the scene usually starts without a problem but this bug happens quite often.

Edited August 12, 2023 by Milk357
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[UsernameTaken666]

without more details, can’t provide help. this mod does work as intended so you’ve got some issue(s) on your end.

[LynErso666]

15 hours ago, Milk357 said:

this fails to start aaf scene like 50%
sometimes it just works as intended but sometimes the scene doesnt start and the target NPC just walk away, leaving the player cuffed and unable to move 

other aaf mods like violate dont have this problem, only this mod does for years

 

 

nothing much more to explain. the player gets knocked down(by suspicious drink or physically forced to) and the aaf scene doesnt start. the attacker NPC just stand still(or sometimes walkaway). waiting doesnt nothing, just after sometime another SH event happens, while the player is still knocked out and cant make any control.
this bug doesnt Always happen, the scene usually starts without a problem but this bug happens quite often.

The scene usually starts without a problem, but the bug happens quite often??? Okay, whatevs, what kind of errors do you see in the Admin section of AAF? Do you have any mods from the "Scrap these mods" section of AAF's "Fucking Manual" maybe? Cuz I tried some of those, and wow did some weird things happen. And turn off the knockdown. It causes bugs. Start a new game with your current load order and double check.

[LynErso666]

On 8/10/2023 at 9:10 PM, valcon767 said:

ok a couple of thing to make sure you are aware of

 

DD does not add devices to you, just to the game.

Violate has a setting for adding devices to you when you lose (and you can set the chances of them putting devices on you and how many at max).

Deviously Cursed Wasteland can add devices to you, with the Cursed Menu mod for DCW you can tune how often traps (devices being put on you) can trigger easier.

      you can adjust setting by console if you do not have the add on Cursed Menu mod.

SH can add devices on some approaches, some approaches are only triggered if you are already wearing devices.

    Blackmail and Sex approaches can add devices to you (more than just handcuffs) 

    Fan and Hypno approaches are collar only IIRC

    Flirt approaches are chastity and possibly more IIRC

    Shock Collar approaches - i have never had one trigger unless i was already wearing a shock collar.

    Flirt and Sex approaches can add them to you while they are having their way with you, and sometimes will remove them, sometimes leave them when done

    Blackmail, Fan, and Hypno approaches usually leave them on you if they put them on.

i am sure there are other mods that can add them to you, and leave them on you  but i just do not remember which offhand.

not sure of which (DD or DCW) adds "Kimy" to the Memory Den (in Goodneighbor) where you can buy and sell devices. i think its DD but am not sure right now.

 

side note regarding SH, being rude and/or refusing approaches tends to put devices on more than agreeing.

 

between Violate, DCW, and SH (mostly sex/blackmail) i get put in stuff a fair amount of the time.

 

hope the information helps

 

O yee no, it IS helpful thank you, I do appreciate it, but unless gags are the ONLY thing SH ever places on the charater out of DD, then something is horribly wrong with my DD. Awesome idea tho about the Kimy shop. I forgot about. I really really should go there just to see if the devices are broken somehow and test DD itself. But no, I know it doesn't add anything. I was hoping if I came out with this bug someone would tell me some common mod that disallows SH from choosing items to put on the player, but no one seems to know of any such mod. Because that's what's happening. The dialogue scene where the devices are supposed to be equipped, absolutely nothing is being grabbed by SH, because it can't find ANY Devious Devices, except for 4 kinds of gags. It's as if it's looking for the wrong FormIDs.

Edited August 12, 2023 by LynErso666

[LynErso666]

On 8/10/2023 at 5:29 PM, eflat01 said:

 

I've never had that issue with either 2.0 or RC8. the links to both  are on the aaf f' manual page. I use RC8 but I had used 2.0 before... and I never had that issue, and I set all of DD to 5% with a four item max after that first time. Still the sales from number of DD items could subsidize Hannah's drinking and drug problems. 

 

One thing dawns on me is certain approaches in Harassment have DD devices as a result and those are set by chance in the MCM settings... Harassment is not very straight forward with any chances in MCM... chance in type of approach setting especially is not easy to figure out which type of approach in chance wins out - even with set evenly.

 

AAF file AAF_equipmentSetData.xml controls the unequip and reequip for scenes. reminds me I been meaning to disable Hannah's piercings' from being removed.

 

 

O thanks a million, eflat, I'll take a look at that xml, and check the fucking manual for those patches or whatever they are. The 2.0 and the RC8 thingies. And Ima definitely download the DD Settings mod thing for my next test playthrough. lol I can't handle such a large mod having no MCM or holotapes or settings of any kind.

Edited August 12, 2023 by LynErso666

[valcon767]

4 hours ago, LynErso666 said:

O thanks a million, eflat, I'll take a look at that xml, and check the fucking manual for those patches or whatever they are. The 2.0 and the RC8 thingies. And Ima definitely download the DD Settings mod thing for my next test playthrough. lol I can't handle such a large mod having no MCM or holotapes or settings of any kind.

one other thing to note is to not use DD 2.0 and DD RC8 at the same time.  RC8 is a full replacement.

link to RC8 (MCM patch in same post for RC8)

 

RC8 does not use AWKCR, but Deviously Cursed Wasteland (DCW) does.  there is no released version of DCW that does not need AWKCR.

if you are comfortable (or stubborn enough) you can use FO4 Edit to remove the AWKCR requirement from DCW (if you do there will be a few things

that do not quite work as intended).

 

[Kaniee]

When wearing devious device item and trigger the devious approach, it is not removing the device before the sex scene, is it supposed to be like that?

[LynErso666]

2 hours ago, valcon767 said:

one other thing to note is to not use DD 2.0 and DD RC8 at the same time.  RC8 is a full replacement.

link to RC8 (MCM patch in same post for RC8)

 

RC8 does not use AWKCR, but Deviously Cursed Wasteland (DCW) does.  there is no released version of DCW that does not need AWKCR.

if you are comfortable (or stubborn enough) you can use FO4 Edit to remove the AWKCR requirement from DCW (if you do there will be a few things

that do not quite work as intended).

 

O okay, yeah that's not for me then. I've never used modded Skyrim without it, or at least don't remember it. I'm pretty sure I've been using it since 2015 when it came out. Iz been useful. Is AWKCR a problem for some people when getting devices equipped? Is SH not compatible with AWKCR or something?

Edited August 13, 2023 by LynErso666

[UsernameTaken666]

2 hours ago, LynErso666 said:

O okay, yeah that's not for me then. I've never used modded Skyrim without it, or at least don't remember it. I'm pretty sure I've been using it since 2015 when it came out. Iz been useful. Is AWKCR a problem for some people when getting devices equipped? Is SH not compatible with AWKCR or something?

AWKCR is outdated and horribly bloated. The RC 8 patch linked above removes that dependency. I personally removed AWKCR from my load order quite a while back. YMMV of course.

[eflat01]

15 hours ago, Kaniee said:

When wearing devious device item and trigger the devious approach, it is not removing the device before the sex scene, is it supposed to be like that?

 

There are settings in the mod's mcm Devious Approach menu to control most chances there. 

 

[Sobachonuki]

New idea for this mod.
There are women here in the Commonwealth who can provoke or challenge  Nora into doing various stupid things that can cause worse consequences.
For example.
 A local random woman meets Nora, say, in Diamond City and asks:" Are you the new girl everyone is talking about"? Nora: "Yes. It's me". Woman: "Have you ever drunk Bobrov's vodka"? If Nora says: "No". The woman says: "You are chicken". Nora's self-esteem will decrease. If Nora asks:" What is Bobrov's vodka"? The woman will give Nora three bottles of Bobrov's vodka and offer them to drink one by one.If Nora answers: "Maybe. But not today". The woman will answer: "I knew you were a chicken". Nora's self-esteem will be halved. If Nora drinks the proposed her self-esteem will grow. 
If Nora, when asked by a woman whether she tried Bobrov's vodka, will immediately answer:" Yes". Then a woman challenge her:" Prove it! Go to Dugout Inn and buy three bottles of Bobrov's vodka and drink it one by one"! If Nora does everything as was said, her self-esteem will increase significantly. But the likelihood of bad consequences will increase significantly.
The next time another woman asks Nora:" Aren't You the brave young girl everyone around is talking about"? Of course, Nora answers: "Yes. It's me". The woman replies: "Then you must have already tried sex with two men". If Nora answers:" No". The woman will say: "You are chicken"! And Nora's self-esteem will drop.
Or Nora might be interested:" How is it with three men"? Then the woman will begin to teach Nora:"First you will need to undress completely naked". If Nora suddenly refuses to undress, the woman will say:" I knew that you were not as brave as everyone says"! Nora's self-esteem will be cut in half. If Nora does as she was told, then the woman will continue: "Next, you should go to the first man you come across and offer:" Hey you! Don't want to fuck me"? And if he agrees, you have to ask if he minds if someone else joins them? Then you need to find someone else." Go and try"! If Nora does everything as she was told, her self-esteem will increase significantly.
If Nora from the very beginning answers the woman: "Yes, I already had a threesome"! Then the woman will challenge her: "Prove it! Go to the Diamond City market, strip naked there and say loudly:" Who wants to participate in a gangbang"? If Nora answers:" Maybe. But not now". The woman will exclaim: "I always knew that you are not just a little coward, but also a braggart"! And Nora's self-esteem will drop to zero. If Nora answers the challenge and does as she was told, her self-esteem will increase significantly. However, in the market in Diamond City, there will be too many people who want to take part in a gangbang, as well as those who want to take a photo of Nora during a gangbang.
Or another time a woman asks Nora: "Aren't you the hero of the Commonwealth everyone is talking about"? Nora replies: "Yes. It's me". The woman says: "If so, then you must have already put on various devious devices when having sex". If Nora says: "No". Then the woman will answer: "You are just a chicken"! Nora's self-esteem will decrease. If Nora asks:" What are devious devices"? The woman will offer Nora to put on handcuffs. If Nora politely refuses: "Maybe some other time"? The woman will say:" You are probably not the hero you say you are"! Nora's self-esteem will decrease by half. If Nora agrees to handcuff herself, then the woman will also put a gag on her. Then Nora's self-esteem will increase, but she herself will have to look for someone who can remove the handcuffs from her.
If Nora answers the woman from the very beginning: "Yes, and more than once. I like to fuck in handcuffs"! Then the woman will challenge her: "Prove it! Go to the market (or other crowded place) strip naked there, then handcuff yourself. To anyone who speaks to you, you must say: "My name is Nora. I am a submissive  person. I like being fucked in public. And if someone wants to put other devious devices on me, I will be just happy"!
If Nora tries to politely refuse: "No thanks.I'll pass". The woman will exclaim: "I always knew that you were not a hero at all, but a boastful, cowardly girl who herself composes boastful tales about herself and spreads them throughout the Commonwealth"! Because of this, Nora's self-esteem will decrease to zero. If Nora accepts the challenge and does everything as she was told, then her self-esteem will not decrease at all, but will increase. Her sex reputation will also increase.

[sen4mi]

These suggestions sound like they might be good consequences for an alternative hypno "script".

 

(Right now, we have one hypno "script" which has become popular in the wasteland. It Would Be Nice if we could somehow have a variety of different scripts, perhaps with each script associated with a single individual (or community), or perhaps showing up after some quest with some kind of tie-in to events of that quest.)

 

((Meanwhile, if we are doing suggestions... that pipboy (/pipgirl) -- which seems to directly drive the user's neural and limbic systems -- was manufactured by that esteemed purveyor of Upright Thinking: VaultTech. And, of course, no one at VaultTech would dream of harem building or anything like that. So, of course, there would be no chance whatsoever of any exploits wired into any of these gadgets. And, most especially, there would not have been anyone at VaultTech with any motivation to have created any sort of pipgirl variant.))

[vaultbait]

The scenarios described are also pretty similar to the random NPC approaches in Barbarous Continent.

[eflat01]

41 minutes ago, sen4mi said:

These suggestions sound like they might be good consequences for an alternative hypno "script".

 

(Right now, we have one hypno "script" which has become popular in the wasteland. It Would Be Nice if we could somehow have a variety of different scripts, perhaps with each script associated with a single individual (or community), or perhaps showing up after some quest with some kind of tie-in to events of that quest.)

 

((Meanwhile, if we are doing suggestions... that pipboy (/pipgirl) -- which seems to directly drive the user's neural and limbic systems -- was manufactured by that esteemed purveyor of Upright Thinking: VaultTech. And, of course, no one at VaultTech would dream of harem building or anything like that. So, of course, there would be no chance whatsoever of any exploits wired into any of these gadgets. And, most especially, there would not have been anyone at VaultTech with any motivation to have created any sort of pipgirl variant.))

 

There are currently three variant branches on the current hypno scripts, but more are always nice.

 

I like your pipgirl idea and falls inline with Fallout theme really. Likely one of the priorities in the the aftermath of any world-wide nuclear apocalypses would likely give thought of polygamy - harems - they obviously would think hard about repopulating the species. If  you're familiar with genetic bottlenecks? The human species was nearly wiped out at least four times in the past, populations dwindling down to a few thousand, that is why a genetic Eve goes well over twice back in time than a genetic Adam. It takes very few males but many females to increase a population. 

 

[vaultbait]

47 minutes ago, eflat01 said:

Likely one of the priorities in the the aftermath of any world-wide nuclear apocalypses would likely give thought of polygamy - harems - they obviously would think hard about repopulating the species. If  you're familiar with genetic bottlenecks? The human species was nearly wiped out at least four times in the past, populations dwindling down to a few thousand, that is why a genetic Eve goes well over twice back in time than a genetic Adam. It takes very few males but many females to increase a population.

 

Immortan Joe's breeders in Mad Max: Fury Road immediately come to mind.