More Nasty Critters Special/Anniversary Edition

[yonoid]

21 hours ago, MadMansGun said:

try the reset everything button( at / near the top) in sexlab's debug menu (note: you will need to turn creature animations back on after it's done)

odd, but then it has never been the most reliable at starting animations, so try using matchmaker (not massmatchmaker) instead. if that also fails then something is not setup correctly in game.

I appreciate the reply, I ended up uninstalling everything, made a new mod profile so I could enable the essential mods and re-download SL and everything. Hopefully from there things will run smoothly.

[LiterallyATurtle]

Hoping to get some help here, the female werewolf model seems to not have sounds when walking or running, but does when sprinting.

 

I checked in SSEEdit, none of the sounds for the werewolf race, skin, armor addon, footstep set, impacts, or sound records are overridden by anything. So I tried a hail mary by temporarily removing MNC, ABC, etc, anything that edited/replaced the female werewolf mesh, and voila, I have footstep sounds again!

 

So I went to add in the mods I disabled (MNC, ABC, ABC-MNC Fluffworks Patch, some alternate schlong models from Anub's SLAL, and an unrelated esp patch for wolves, to be exact) starting with just MNC enabled. I was back to a female werewolf model, but also back to having no walk or running sounds.

 

I checked the Skyrim - Sounds.bsa too because some related posts I found suggested corruption of sound files, and not the case. Extracting the bsa and playing any of the werewolf walking/running sounds plays as expected.

 

I'm not a modeller, nor do I really know how sounds are triggered from a model or animation, so any help or pointers are much appreciated!

 

I aplologize for the mess of a loadorder I have (plan on moving to MO2 to clean it up), put heres my plugins list and my load order as generated by Vortex.

 

 

 

Edit: Might be a model issue? Unless it's just a me thing with my messy LO. But downloading a female werewolf model replacer such as La Femme Lycana does keep the footstep sfx for walking, running, and sprinting, which seems like a good first step I hope. Going to try making a patch that replaces the MNC model in MNC\meshes\MoreNastyCritters\werewolf\FemaleWerewolf_1.nif, is this the correct mesh I should try swap?

 

Edit2: Tried swapping the above mesh of the female werewolf, and it used the La Femme Lycana model I made a patch for, however, no dice. So at this point I'm guessing it's an animation issue then?

Edited June 4, 2024 by fluffyvault

[safado]

2 hours ago, fluffyvault said:

Hoping to get some help here, the female werewolf model seems to not have sounds when walking or running, but does when sprinting.

 

 

 

Do not know much about how it is trigger, I think is an internal engine implementation.

The record form reference for vanilla Werewolf footseep is at FoorStepSet\NPCWerewolfFootstepSet [FSTS:000F23E6]. It is referenced by the  "Armor Addon \ 000CDD87 <NakedTorsoWerewolfBeast>" in Skyrim.esm.   MNC overwrite that and other record to redirect it to its mesh models.  Also, the footprint decals are set by that system. I think that the animation has some reference call to the footstep set index. Do not really know.  The count of footstep sounds in each set is different for each game actor\race.

 

Use SSEedit(xEdit) to track the references at the tab at the bottom of the form page.  After identifying it in xedit, try creative kit and wikis about it.

 

[MadMansGun]

well the aroused werebear is missing NPCWerewolfFootstepSet [FSTS:000F23E6], but i don't see anything wrong with werewolves.

[LiterallyATurtle]

1 hour ago, safado said:

 

Do not know much about how it is trigger, I think is an internal engine implementation.

The record form reference for vanilla Werewolf footseep is at FoorStepSet\NPCWerewolfFootstepSet [FSTS:000F23E6]. It is referenced by the  "Armor Addon \ 000CDD87 <NakedTorsoWerewolfBeast>" in Skyrim.esm.   MNC overwrite that and other record to redirect it to its mesh models.  Also, the footprint decals are set by that system. I think that the animation has some reference call to the footstep set index. Do not really know.  The count of footstep sounds in each set is different for each game actor\race.

 

Use SSEedit(xEdit) to track the references at the tab at the bottom of the form page.  After identifying it in xedit, try creative kit and wikis about it.

 

 

I ended up just extracting the vanilla animations from Skyrim - Animations.bsa and created a scuffed patch that overwrites MNC's walk/run/sprint animations for the werewolf, and it seems to be working so far. However now I'm experiencing this unsightly issue (not my gif, but it's the exact same issue), and so far the only fix I've found is Precision Creatures and it's behaviour edits for Nemesis, but this overwrites FNIS behaviour data and causes creature anims to fail :/

[UsernameTaken666]

13 minutes ago, fluffyvault said:

 

I ended up just extracting the vanilla animations from Skyrim - Animations.bsa and created a scuffed patch that overwrites MNC's walk/run/sprint animations for the werewolf, and it seems to be working so far. However now I'm experiencing this unsightly issue (not my gif, but it's the exact same issue), and so far the only fix I've found is Precision Creatures and it's behaviour edits for Nemesis, but this overwrites FNIS behaviour data and causes creature anims to fail

You are aware that Nemesis does not support creatures?

[LiterallyATurtle]

25 minutes ago, UsernameTaken666 said:

You are aware that Nemesis does not support creatures?

 

Very, yes. This is why you run FNIS first for creature & human behaviours, then Nemesis after for mods that require Nemesis, and it works fine. The problem I was talking about in that comment is a mod that fixes the jerky werewolf camera via a very experimental addon for Nemesis that allows some creature behaviour edits. This experimental addon is what breaks FNIS in my setup, not Nemesis itself.

[LiterallyATurtle]

45 minutes ago, MadMansGun said:

well the aroused werebear is missing NPCWerewolfFootstepSet [FSTS:000F23E6], but i don't see anything wrong with werewolves.

 

I'm at a loss then exactly what's causing footstep sounds to not play

 

I've got it fixed with a bandaid and some duct tape right now by simply replacing all the animations except for any of the 'sprint_allfours.hkx' related animations. They, for whatever reason (seemingly a vanilla bug), are causing the 3rd person werewolf camera to tweak tf out and rapidly zoom in and out while sprinting (see 'unsightly issue' hyperlinked in previous reply).

[BigOnes69]

31 minutes ago, fluffyvault said:

 

Very, yes. This is why you run FNIS first for creature & human behaviours, then Nemesis after for mods that require Nemesis, and it works fine. The problem I was talking about in that comment is a mod that fixes the jerky werewolf camera via a very experimental addon for Nemesis that allows some creature behaviour edits. This experimental addon is what breaks FNIS in my setup, not Nemesis itself.

Try Pandora. It does both creatures and 2 leg sheep.

[MadMansGun]

6 hours ago, fluffyvault said:

They, for whatever reason (seemingly a vanilla bug), are causing the 3rd person werewolf camera to tweak tf out and rapidly zoom in and out while sprinting

the turning while sprinting camera bug is known to me, that was one of the things i fixed when i remade the animations.

6 hours ago, fluffyvault said:

a mod that fixes the jerky werewolf camera via a very experimental addon for Nemesis

anything to do with Nemesis is crap and should be avoided.

 

i'll recheck the animations to see if a missed any annotation tracks but i don't think i did, (but if i did then it should be effecting the male werewolves as well, not just the females)

Edited June 4, 2024 by MadMansGun

[MadMansGun]

FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK.............the tracks are missing.....this is going to take a while to fix.

Edited June 4, 2024 by MadMansGun

[LiterallyATurtle]

9 hours ago, BigOnes69 said:

Try Pandora. It does both creatures and 2 leg sheep.

 

I did try (fuck is it fast, 5-6 seconds for 55k animations???) But its not 100% backwards compatible with things that require Nemesis yet.

 

Things like JS Immersive Interactions don't play their animations if I use Pandora, and I had to find a patch for TK Dodge otherwise Id just roll in place lol

 

3 hours ago, MadMansGun said:

FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK.............the tracks are missing.....this is going to take a while to fix.

 

If it helps the headache, I only had the super jerky camera with the sprinting animation for all fours (not the vanilla one, but the alternate sprint animation that looks like its from "Werewolf Feral Beast Run".

 

Now I feel bad for finding and dumping a seemingly painful thing to fix. If I knew anything about animations or their annotations Id offer a helping hand

[Guest]

Guys, Hi! I want to patch Diverse Dog Textures - SPID but i'm not sure how since there are no diverse of dogs in real game. So I can patch models to add schlongs easily, but how can I  add more dogs to MNC to work? Or it's imposible and MNC won't work with SPID replaced models?

[BigOnes69]

15 hours ago, fluffyvault said:

 

I did try (fuck is it fast, 5-6 seconds for 55k animations???) But its not 100% backwards compatible with things that require Nemesis yet.

 

Things like JS Immersive Interactions don't play their animations if I use Pandora, and I had to find a patch for TK Dodge otherwise Id just roll in place lol

 

Wont OAR do the other shit????

[MadMansGun]

1 hour ago, MadeByWind said:

Guys, Hi! I want to patch Diverse Dog Textures - SPID but i'm not sure how since there are no diverse of dogs in real game. So I can patch models to add schlongs easily, but how can I  add more dogs to MNC to work? Or it's imposible and MNC won't work with SPID replaced models?

the way that mod works does not look CF friendly, best bet would be to edit there meshes to be aroused 24/7.....but you may also need to disable all dogs in CF as well because it may still see them as stock dogs and change them back when they actually get aroused.

https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/2418-how-to-dick-with-nifskope-creature-framework-integration-guide/

 

[LiterallyATurtle]

10 hours ago, BigOnes69 said:

Wont OAR do the other shit????

 

Not by the looks of it, some require Nemesis and I'm assuming it's just a Pandora quirk with it still being a yet-to-release mod. From what I tested, everything except for Immersive Interactions and TK Dodge. TK just needed a patch for animation annotations, and Immersive Interactions sort of works, but the idle pickup animation doesn't play.

 

Other than those two that I tried, animation mods still worked, creature anims work, player anims work under Pandora.

[Martin1313]

On 3/19/2024 at 9:43 PM, Ragsinn said:

Hello all! I have run into another problem like the one I had with the vampire lord. Sex lab Aroused is not detecting dwarven spiders and they are not doing the mesh switch.

With the vampires it was a mod that caused the mesh not to switch and I removed the mod and they work now thanks very much. Now its the dwarven spiders. I can not think of any mod or mods that I have installed for the dwarves. I have included my load order any further help I can give please ask.  As always your help is greatly appreciated.

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Solved it . Thanks

 

I have the same problem with the vampire, which mod did you remove to solve this problem?

[MadMansGun]

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[Serenity_XXI]

Hi, I have the strangest behavior that started to happen when playing creature animations. Some (not all) creatures just disappear (become invisible) as soon as a sex animation with them starts, resulting in the PC basically just humping air for the duration of the animation. Then they re-appear as soon as the animation is ended.

 

But, this ONLY happens indoors. If I take the exact same creature outside the animation plays fine, and the creature doesn't disappear.

 

Any clues as to why this is happening and how I can fix this?

 

UPDATE: If I disable Creature Framework for a specific creature (e.g. Falmer), then the creature won't disappear when a scene starts. It just won't have a dong. So something about CF undressing the creatures at the start of a scene seems to be the "trigger" for this weird behavior.

Edited June 7, 2024 by Serenity_XXI

[MadMansGun]

i have no clue what would cause that behavior to happen.

[Tlam99]

7 hours ago, Serenity_XXI said:

hy this is happening

overwritten creature skeleton maybe.

[MadMansGun]

1 hour ago, Tlam99 said:

overwritten creature skeleton maybe.

maybe, hdt stuff can do some odd shit (when it does not crash from whatever's wrong)

[OthelFermayan]

On 6/4/2024 at 6:25 PM, fluffyvault said:

 

I did try (fuck is it fast, 5-6 seconds for 55k animations???) But its not 100% backwards compatible with things that require Nemesis yet.

 

Things like JS Immersive Interactions don't play their animations if I use Pandora, and I had to find a patch for TK Dodge otherwise Id just roll in place lol

 

 

If it helps the headache, I only had the super jerky camera with the sprinting animation for all fours (not the vanilla one, but the alternate sprint animation that looks like its from "Werewolf Feral Beast Run".

 

Now I feel bad for finding and dumping a seemingly painful thing to fix. If I knew anything about animations or their annotations Id offer a helping hand

 

Since you said that you are using both fnis and nemesis, I presume you know how to mix and match their outputs. I've been testing combining all Nemesis, Fnis and pandora, and in my case it works very well. Generally, you can use Nemesis for character animations since pandora is still quite janky there, then take your pick of Pandora or fnis for creature animations. That should solve your problem with JS interactions at least.

 

Example use case: I mostly use pandora because of creature animations, as well as precision creatures. Pandora works fantastically for draugr (including skeletons etc.) but it breaks certain vanilla falmer animations. Falmer are not affected by precision creatures, so I can safely use the Fnis output for falmers.

 

 

[Serenity_XXI]

4 hours ago, MadMansGun said:

maybe, hdt stuff can do some odd shit (when it does not crash from whatever's wrong)

Yeah I've read in various threads that HDT could be the culprit, but I've tried disabling and even completely uninstalling it, and yet the problem still persisted.

 

Does the fact that it only happens indoors, or that disabling CF for a specific creature stops it from happening not offer any clues?

 

What is it about dongs being equipped for creatures that could be triggering this?

 

I've also tried using the "inv" and "removeitem" commands to unequip/remove any items the NPC creature might have. I narrowed it down to one equipped item, which appears to be the "nude suit", as removing it immediately made the creature re-appear fully dressed. A few seconds later it gets automatically reequipped and the creature immediately disappears again.

Edited June 8, 2024 by Serenity_XXI

[Grey Cloud]

3 hours ago, OthelFermayan said:

all Nemesis, Fnis and pandora,

Why? What do you think Pandora is doing if you have FNIS and Nemesis? Pandora is a replacement for the other two.

Edited June 8, 2024 by Grey Cloud