Devious Followers (8 June 2019)

[Hex Bolt]

Here's an idea to make gold control more interesting by making asking for more not be all or nothing.  Since this makes things harder, this option might need its own MCM toggle.

 

If you've been denied asking for gold for the day, you can accept a new deal:  "Not today.  I'll reconsider it tomorrow and let you know.  But I'll let you have more gold right now if you'll accept a deal."  If the player accepts, he can get a single gold increase right now (a second increase requires another deal). 

 

If the follower said the player can ask for more gold today, getting it will not be guaranteed (the follower said you may "ask").  Based on how well things have been going (percentage of lives the follower has left), the follower is 20-80% likely to agree to increase the player's gold.  But if the follower says no, the player has to wait and ask again later, or negotiate.  If the player has credit, he can get more gold immediately by agreeing to more debt (perhaps add the punishment debt amount).  Otherwise he has to make a deal.  To prevent the player from spamming "Can I have more gold?" and backing out whenever the answer is no, that topic could have a reset timer, so for example the player could only ask every 2 game hours (6 real minutes).  If the player doesn't want to bargain, just wait 2 game hours and try again.

 

The idea is make the player feel even less in control, while adding opportunities for more debt or deals.  The player can always refuse without penalty, and ask again at a later time.  If things are going well the chance for receiving gold would be very good, so this would mainly penalize loss of follower lives, and not resting to get them back. 

[gurdilhfkk]

After playing 5 hours with a follower (with deal and slavery) i can say that your mod run very smoothly. no CTD, no bug, although my game is heavy modded.

 

Just a small thing, and i dont know if its come from your mod or not. When my character is enslaved, and forgot to wear mittens/boots, i got a gag and a yoke (this part is fine, its just to show where its happens). Back in town i have the dialogue where my character have to whore herself 10 times (still perfectly OK).

 

But if there is near my character, lets say only a dog an NPC, something weird happens. I see in the corner an animation for creatures, dog stack on me (like it does for gang bang animation setup). Then i immediatly see another animation in the corner, a human-human animation, and my character plays this animation with the creature idle. Sometime its a gangbang animation which is called, so the NPC comes too. But the animation played is in this case an another human-human animation (for 2 actors only), with my character as aggressor.

 

I activated creature animation in sexlab, and in devious follower too. i'm using SLSO too, so i dont know from where this bug is coming.

 

(yeah my english is terrible)

 

 

[Krynn]

I can not say right now if the error is in this mod, but sometimes my player can not attack anymore, so do not pull weapons, etc.
after my companion has put me in these chains and me then the chains decreases again it works all at once again.

[aspirine2]

On 7/8/2018 at 2:25 AM, Nazzzgul666 said:

Exactly. I like it enough not to turn it off entirely, but it can become quite annoying at times, especially when you just want to get/finish quest x right now and not watch your toon fucking. That's why i came up with the "steal armor" part - it fits, it allows you to talk again, and it can lead to sex when you're fine with it some time later to get your armor back. Or money, if one likes that better, which is quite hard to aquire for my toon. If you already were naked or can afford not to get your armor back... maybe add something for already beeing naked, giving up your armor sounds like a valid solution to me too.

 

And i like variations.

what is this line from ....must have sex to enter dialogue ???

[Lupine00]

I like these suggestions for gold control, but I didn't ask for anything similar because I figured they were such obvious additions that if Lozeak wanted them, he'd add them without being asked. Sometimes being able to take a deal for immediate cash in gold control mode would make sense though.

 

Does DF occasionally silently steal all your gold now?

 

I keep finding my gold is zero, but I'm not 100% sure if it's DF, and the follower isn't saying or doing anything special when it happens.

This could be down to SLS, so this is a perfect example of behaviour it would be nice to have documented by the responsible mod, whichever one it is.

 

Another mystery behaviour... Out of nowhere, but around the same time that I paid my follower and was "rewarded" with vibrations, I got a message informing me I'd become a milk maid.

 

Was this DF?

If so, why didn't the follower explain what had happened, or say anything about it at all?

 

I can't think of any other mod that might have done it.

Alas, rather than life-changing, the addition is harmless/meaningless, because without adding lactacid, there's zero milk production, so MME isn't doing anything meaningful. My character is registered in it, but that's all.

 

I believe that in older versions of MME, milk was always produced by maids, regardless of other circumstances - but now you have to be pregnant or have lactacid, otherwise production does not increase.

 

 

If DF is trying to make the PC a milkmaid, it needs to make more fanfare about such an important event - it would be hugely improved by some appropriate gloating from the follower, and then continued "gifts" of lactacid. Even better still if the follower started to make demands about the milk.

[Nazzzgul666]

2 hours ago, aspirine2 said:

what is this line from ....must have sex to enter dialogue ???

If it isn't DCUL i don't know.

37 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

Another mystery behaviour... Out of nowhere, but around the same time that I paid my follower and was "rewarded" with vibrations, I got a message informing me I'd become a milk maid.

 

I think iv'e read something about milk in SLS (that survival right?). But i might be wrong.

[Lupine00]

SLS - yes I mean Sexlab Survival - purports to give skooma or lactacid when going through the toll by the cheap method, 50/50%, but I have never had it give out lactacid.

 

There's nothing on its frontpage about making you a milkmaid by means other than lactacid. I get the impression that SLS considers the lactacid path quite sufficient, but the only way to really know for sure is to read the code, which I prefer to avoid if I can.

[Reesewow]

3 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

Another mystery behaviour... Out of nowhere, but around the same time that I paid my follower and was "rewarded" with vibrations, I got a message informing me I'd become a milk maid.

I think Lozeak has a tiny "forced milkmaid" mod available that you might have installed at some point, but I thought it was just triggered by drinking potions.  Can't say if DF was the cause of your status as I'm not currently running MME (I only run it when I'm playing the Being a Cow mod, and that mod is a play through + uninstall/roll back save since I don't really want my PC to be a perma-cowgirl).  I don't think I've ever seen a report about that before however.

[Nazzzgul666]

27 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

SLS - yes I mean Sexlab Survival - purports to give skooma or lactacid when going through the toll by the cheap method, 50/50%, but I have never had it give out lactacid.

 

There's nothing on its frontpage about making you a milkmaid by means other than lactacid. I get the impression that SLS considers the lactacid path quite sufficient, but the only way to really know for sure is to read the code, which I prefer to avoid if I can.

No idea then - in m current game i'm using milk addict which adds (small) amounts of lactaid to a couple of items such as cheese, hearthfire milk etc, if you have that installed it's quite easy to become a milk maid. And Beeing a Cow is the only reason to add this and MME for me too. 

[tuxagent7]

5 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

Does DF occasionally silently steal all your gold now?

 

I keep finding my gold is zero, but I'm not 100% sure if it's DF, and the follower isn't saying or doing anything special when it happens.

Me too it's happening, lol, i have gold and then don't know what happen BANG 0 gold

 

Dont have MME, don't have Survival, my follower doesnt control my gold

 

I cant pinpoint it but i will often fight and after when i check my menu it's at 0, i can accumulate gold but sometimes i check my menu and zero gold. I say wha ??

[Lupine00]

9 hours ago, Reesewow said:

I think Lozeak has a tiny "forced milkmaid" mod available that you might have installed at some point

No. Never downloaded. Never installed.

 

A bit like the "stolen gold" this happens without being given a lactacid potion; you're just suddenly added into MME - as there's no lactacid, the only consequence is a 1 point debuff on combat stats due to "Breasts".

 

DF says nothing, and I can't see that SLS would have done it.

 

It seems more than a coincidence that this happened at the same time I paid my follower.

If nobody else has anything to say about the code I guess I'll have to look for myself. It's always possible it's an obscure MME issue and nothing to do with DF.

[Lupine00]

7 hours ago, tuxagent7 said:

Me too it's happening, lol, i have gold and then don't know what happen BANG 0 gold

 

Dont have MME, don't have Survival, my follower doesnt control my gold

 

I cant pinpoint it but i will often fight and after when i check my menu it's at 0, i can accumulate gold but sometimes i check my menu and zero gold. I say wha ??

OK. So it's almost certainly DF. The only "mystery" now is whether it's by design, or by accident.

 

If by design, why does the follower never mention it, and the mod front-page not mention it?

(And could we be given a way to turn it on/off?)

 

As a feature, I actually find it helps DF, but it needs a little more visibility to not seem like a bug.

[tuxagent7]

1 minute ago, Lupine00 said:

OK. So it's almost certainly DF. The only "mystery" now is whether it's by design, or by accident.

 

If by design, why does the follower never mention it, and the mod front-page not mention it?

(And could we be given a way to turn it on/off?)

 

As a feature, I actually find it helps DF, but it needs a little more visibility to not seem like a bug.

 

Find myself making small payments each times to make sure he lowers my debt

 

The stolen gold doesnt seem to lower the debt

[Lupine00]

1 hour ago, tuxagent7 said:

The stolen gold doesnt seem to lower the debt

I guess it's supposed to simulate somebody secretly picking your pocket?

 

The advantage is that you can have 3000+ gold, think you are safe, and then suddenly have none. I'm happy with that.

 

Just not happy with the lack of in-game window dressing around it; it's a missed chance for the follower to mock and degrade you some more.

 

... Addition ...

 

Perhaps this is related to gold theft after sex, which I have (had) disabled ?

 

I've now enabled gold theft after sex, and I'll see if the random gold disappearances stop.

 

 

As an aside, in chaos mode, the MCM option for additional cost per follower is broken, and also has the wrong info item associated with it.

 

It's not possible to set the additional follower cost once in chaos mode, as you get a bogus edit dialog for debt per day per level instead.

There are other chaos mode MCM bugs like this... Interest on debt per day, and the gambling Jackpot value ... so the way that items are disabled in chaos mode probably needs a bit of a review, because it seems a general issue with info items and sliders using a stale ID.

[tester86]

Under the MCM Menu there is a setting that enables gold theft following sex and how much is stolen.  It's possible those of you finding your gold going missing that you've enabled this feature.  It's there under the MCM menu; I haven't seen it happening because I did not want my gold stolen. Maybe next playthrough.  

[Reesewow]

12 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

Just not happy with the lack of in-game window dressing around it; it's a missed chance for the follower to mock and degrade you some more.

Yep, if it is a bug it probably should be a feature, but one with some indication your follower is to blame (even if you don't actually catch them or get any of your gold back) and an MCM menu toggle to enable/disable. 

 

I can confirm the complete gold loss happens quite often at low willpower with a lot of gold on hand, as I decided to empty my entire Legacy of the Dragonborn safe to do all the upgrades for a different mod, and went from 250k gold to zero multiple times in a row while carrying it to the mod location.  It was also not affected by disabling the gold theft on being a victim MCM menu option.  The gold loss seemed to happen whenever my follower calculated debt, and my character was at < 3 willpower with a handful of deals in progress, but not in gold control mode.

[Lupine00]

5 hours ago, tester86 said:

Under the MCM Menu there is a setting that enables gold theft following sex and how much is stolen.  It's possible those of you finding your gold going missing that you've enabled this feature.  It's there under the MCM menu; I haven't seen it happening because I did not want my gold stolen. Maybe next playthrough.  

Um. No. I explicitly stated this was disabled. If you read posts properly before responding, it saves repeated corrections and clarifications.

 

Also, I have the theft limit set to 40%, so it couldn't steal all my gold, even if it was firing when it shouldn't.

 

There's also the matter that I'm not actually having any sex, and the thefts aren't associated with sex events (or masturbation).

 

I had gold vanishing, even when wearing full Queen Sarah set, and with "gag required for full chastity" disabled.

 

 

The point I made about this being possibly related was the suggestion that when disabled, possibly it's bugged - but I'm testing that now by enabling it to see if it stops the problem.

 

 

If the thefts are associated with anything, it's asking a follower how much you owe, or maybe fast travel. Both seem somewhat correlated with observing the thefts (though they may be entirely random, based on time?)

[Lupine00]

Some thought bubbles:

 

How about...

 

• A deal (stage) that requires you to wear a necklace or amulet - not even devious - but of course it blocks you from wearing a lucky charm.
• Cash placed in your follower's inventory vanishes, and is automatically removed from debt/added to credit.
• Pay the follower in items rather than cash, via a trade dialogue. The follower pays less than half of what a vendor would.
• A deal (stage) that requires you to consume lactacid before you can rest. If you can't find a vendor, or have no money, follower will provide it, for a price.
• A deal (stage) that requires you to give the follower milk that you produced. If you can't deliver you have to consume lactacid.
• A deal (stage) like the one above, but the follower requires much more milk. The follower may reward payments by administering lactacid.
• Modify carriage prices to be in line with inn prices (100 normally, 200 for hard-to-reach places).
• A rubber suit deal series (or was this added already?)
• Nice handling of block-generic chastity belts so follower can use you orally without silly animations getting picked.

 

[Lupine00]

A great result from the piercing deal... Works like a charm!

Kudos to Lozeak for this creative deal.

 

I have cash in hand, items to sell, and only two deals (piercing 1 and 2). Debt is creeping up, so I take another deal. I get piercing 3.

A little later...

Follower decides to check my piercings in the middle of Solitude street. Resulting in rape. Resulting in punishment by guards, who fit chain harness.

Chain harness results in DCL rape. Goodbye willpower.

Successive rapes result in all my cash being stolen.

Playing key roulette and other request to follower to get free result in massive debt... And being put into gold control.

A little later still...

Debt is running out of control, and punishments for trying to speak with clothes on are adding up.

In Riften, I awake to follower throwing a fit about my debt, and I'm sold into slavery.

 

DF worked great, and the quick reversal of fortunes was a result of great interactions with DCL. The piercing deal is super evil

 

However, being sold into slavery didn't work so well.

I'm ported to the auction house, but after the "Stop dragging your heels, I have a hangover..."

PC gets put on display but SS auction never starts - character just hangs there, forever.

Reloaded and tried again, always the same.

Also, I'm still in gold control mode, and still have my original follower. Seems like something isn't working.

The only thing I can do is go back more saves and avoid getting enslaved, or disable SS outcome.

(I'm using Lozeak SS version with DF support).

Previously, I assigned a master for SS outcomes - perhaps this is causing the problem?

 

 

Another small gripe. Being put into gold control should have a message box. It happens silently, and you only know it's happened when you click on the follower.

Surely, the follower should give you a speech to tell you what's happening, and why, and a chance to dish out some put-downs?

[jfraser]

A request, which you may, of course, choose to ignore: I'd like the MCM to include the ability to choose which genders would do this to you (only males, only females, both). 

[matekun]

A  couple ideas:

 

-As long as your character is wearing xx device she gets a fixed percent discount in all things (devices removal cost and all kind of payments to follower).

-Allow to choose the stage we want first,not stage 1>2>3,so we can choose what device to wear.

 

Thank you.

 

[Hex Bolt]

13 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

Some thought bubbles:

 

How about...

 

• A deal (stage) that requires you to wear a necklace or amulet - not even devious - but of course it blocks you from wearing a lucky charm.
• Cash placed in your follower's inventory vanishes, and is automatically removed from debt/added to credit.
• Pay the follower in items rather than cash, via a trade dialogue. The follower pays less than half of what a vendor would.
• A deal (stage) that requires you to consume lactacid before you can rest. If you can't find a vendor, or have no money, follower will provide it, for a price.
• A deal (stage) that requires you to give the follower milk that you produced. If you can't deliver you have to consume lactacid.
•  A deal (stage) like the one above, but the follower requires much more milk. The follower may reward payments by administering lactacid.
• Modify carriage prices to be in line with inn prices (100 normally, 200 for hard-to-reach places).
• A rubber suit deal series (or was this added already?)
• Nice handling of block-generic chastity belts so follower can use you orally without silly animations getting picked.

 

Several of these are specific to Deviously Cursed Loot or Milk Maid.  Many people use those mods, but many others do not.  Nothing wrong with making requests of course, and unwanted deals can be toggled off by the player, but personally I'd rather see the author spend his limited time working on content that benefits everyone rather than the subset of users of other mods. 

 

6 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

Another small gripe. Being put into gold control should have a message box. It happens silently, and you only know it's happened when you click on the follower.

Surely, the follower should give you a speech to tell you what's happening, and why, and a chance to dish out some put-downs?

I'm assuming that this happened to you when your character was enslaved, and it's a fair point.  If the rules change, that should be explained.  But I know that at least for a non-enslavement outcome (player exceeds enslavement debt but has high willpower), the follower does explain the switch to gold control through dialogue:  "Since you're bad at keeping your gold under control, I'll control it for you."

 

6 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

PC gets put on display but SS auction never starts - character just hangs there, forever.

I've experienced the same thing with version 6.01.  You didn't say which version of Simple Slavery Plus you were using, but Lozeak has stated that "6.01 is broken".  He recently uploaded 6.02 to hopefully fix the problem. 

[Lupine00]

6 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

12 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

Another small gripe. Being put into gold control should have a message box. It happens silently, and you only know it's happened when you click on the follower.

Surely, the follower should give you a speech to tell you what's happening, and why, and a chance to dish out some put-downs?

I'm assuming that this happened to you when your character was enslaved, and it's a fair point.  If the rules change, that should be explained.  But I know that at least for a non-enslavement outcome (player exceeds enslavement debt but has high willpower), the follower does explain the switch to gold control through dialogue:  "Since you're bad at keeping your gold under control, I'll control it for you."

You guessed wrong. It did not. It happened long before enslavement. It didn't explain the switch, and there was no dialog from the follower.

 

Also, I had 1 willpower when I entered gold control. That's the number ONE in case it's not clear. So, if I had enslavement level debt, it's odd I wasn't enslaved. But ... I didn't have enslavement level debt, that didn't happen until days later (gametime).

 

(For background, I'm in Chaos Mode, with hidden values, and some of the limits are quite big. To match this, my enslavement limit is 7000, and my discard limit 11000). Punishment for a single infraction could be as high as 1500, or it could be much much lower.

 

Also, I've seen the follower say the "Since you're bad at ..." as a response after the follower gives you the option to leave gold control, and you take it - instead of leaving gold control, you re-enter it - and that can't be a valid behaviour because you need X credit to leave gold control (you can't be in debt at all).

 

So, as some people claim that it does announce entering gold control, and clearly, it sometimes does not, and sometimes leaving gold control is obviously bugged, I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest maybe there are a few little bugs around entering and leaving cold control that might warrant further investigation?

[Hex Bolt]

1 hour ago, Lupine00 said:

You guessed wrong. It did not. It happened long before enslavement. It didn't explain the switch, and there was no dialog from the follower.

 

Also, I had 1 willpower when I entered gold control. That's the number ONE in case it's not clear. So, if I had enslavement level debt, it's odd I wasn't enslaved. But ... I didn't have enslavement level debt, that didn't happen until days later (gametime).

Interesting.  So it looks like there could be some bugginess around (or incomplete handling of) the warning. 

 

I can go back to an older save and trigger that dialogue reliably.  It's followed by the pop-up that informs you how much gold you're allowed to carry that day.  If it had activated you would not have missed it, so clearly you weren't warned even though I was.  If you're interested, the warning of the switch to gold control is the last item under the "Idle" dialogue topic.  It's set to trigger when you exceed the enslavement gold limit and the mod quest stage is >= 10 and < 100.  It looks like there are other ways to enter gold control outside of these conditions, and they should have warnings too.  Hopefully your observations are good info for Lozeak. 

[Lupine00]

I believe that when I was put into gold control, I didn't get an amount available (+debt) notification until it was triggered naturally by sleeping.

 

Instead, at some point, my gold dropped to zero (I don't have that enter gold control on zero gold recalc thing enabled, as it wasn't on by default, and I'm not sure what it even means).

 

When I went to talk to the follower, I observed I had the dialog options for being in gold control (which I'm quite familiar with).

My gold was, at the time, zero.

 

When I rested, I got the usual pop-up about available gold and debt, but no special notifications.

 

 

It might not be relevant, but this character had been in gold control before - voluntarily - and had bought out of it, but that was with a different follower entirely, and many levels ago.

 

It was also the same character, that on its first attempt to leave gold control, instead got the entering gold control message instead (and all its money stolen by the follower). The second attempt to leave gold control went normally.

 

 

So, the series of events:

Spoiler

 

1) recruit follower

2) voluntarily enter gold control - I got a popup on entering, possibly, but no rude dialog from follower

3) meet requirements to leave gold control

4) ask to leave gold control 

5) got message from follower that I'm unfit to manage my money, and she''ll be doing that from now on - no popup on how gold control works though

6) time passes, many days of play before requirements to leave gold control met again...

7) meet requirements to leave gold control

8)) ask to leave gold control

9) exit gold control successfully

10) pay off follower

11) part ways with follower

12) recruit new follower

13) time passes, many days of play...

14) achieve high level of debt, enough to make follower angry

15) take deals to mollify follower

16) look at gold, it's zero

17) talk to follower, discover silent transition to gold control had occurred - no popup, no emotes from the follower

18) time passes, several days of play...

19) follower angry, take deal to mollify follower, follower enslaves me anyway (perhaps deal didn't remove enough debt but you can't tell in Chaos Mode)

20) enslaved and sold to SS immediately

21) SS bugged and auction would not start (yes, I can confirm it is version 6.01)

22) Waiting for SS to start, my follower shows up in the auction house and acts like she is still my follower.

 

 

On one occasion, retrying the enslavement, the PC was attacked by DCL rapists at the same time the follower decided to throw a rant about my freedom, and the DCL tape was in progress when SS started.

 

The result was that the DCL rape appeared to abort because it couldn't find the rapists after I was ported to the auction house, but SS bugged completely and didn't even trigger the "Stop dragging your heels I've got a hangover" quest stage.

 

So, that's another bug with SS/DF, but it's pretty rare, so I can see that might not be that big a deal.

 

 

Another small usability issue is with Chaos Mode + gold control...

 

When you can't see how much you owe, how much a deal is worth, or what daily debt you might incur, the follower doesn't give sufficient feedback to let you know whether taking a single deal is enough to get you out of trouble. It would be nice if there was a way to query whether the follower is happy, or about to enslave you, as I don't think not knowing particularly improves the mod.

 

 

OK, so I installed SS 6.02 and this is what happened...

Spoiler

The auction didn't start automatically, and had to be started with the dialog, like it used to back in old-school SS.

• Chatted to auctioneer and raged at him.
• Got some flavour text about tripping some guy up, not sure if any consequences from this...
• The auction process started!PC was set up in hanging from the ceiling.
• Auctioneer announced removal of old devices.
• PC popped out of hanging animation.
• Very slowly indeed, the existing devices were removed, these were just some arm cuffs, leg cuffs, piercings and plug, nothing tricky like corset and belt, but it still took forever.
• PC popped into yoke animation position.
• There was a sound of items being applied that went on and on for quite some time. Different yokes seemed to be added then removed.
• Finally it settled on a wooden yoke.
• Auction commenced, with PC facing sideways away from audience, controls disabled, in yoke.
• Interesting new dialog, but many typos...
• Auction completed.
• Got a pop-up saying accept new master's terms or be dumped.
• Selected option 1, accept terms.
• Ported to Bee and Barb.
• Apparently bought by Marcurio - Marcurio was NOT the SS master previously selected in DF.
• PC was still stuck in the auction yoke, but its animation was broken.
• PC was wearing ankle chains, though these had not been visible during the auction.
• (Yokes work fine for me generally, so seems like SS did not fit the yoke correctly, or zbf busted, take your pick).
• DF played a sequence of pop-ups describing deal status - same as you'd get if you asked for description of your deals.
• Nothing I did seemed to fix yoke animation. I forgot to check the Zaz menu for it.
• Marcurio still had the "Hire me for 500" dialog option.
• When DCL rape triggered, the yoke and chains vanished. Presumably DCL strips ZBF items now. No complaints there. 
• After rape, inventory contains unequipped zbf Wooden Yoke 01 and zbf Ankle Irons HDT

 

I've been given deals that require me to wear: collar, corset, piercings, gag, arm cuffs, leg cuffs, chastity belt, plug, and gloves.

My inventory contains all of the required items, except the collar, corset, boots and gloves. It also contains three kinds of slut armor, and all the items from my previous deals ... which is another set of all cuffs, an armbinder, another set of piercings, another plug, yet another slut armor (only one) and the zbf items from the auction.

 

While I'm trying to find the (missing) collar in all this crap, the follower is yelling at me I don't have my collar on and adding debt. He didn't even notice the missing gloves, corset or boots.

 

I've got to say, this is not a smooth, user-friendly experience, unless you compare it to SD+

 

It was only a simple bug that some required items weren't given, but that was only a part of the overall clunky feel.

 

Now, I'm really happy this is implemented, and almost working properly. But...

 

(SS is sort of off-topic here, so I'll focus on the DF side of things).

 

The DF "enslavement" process could be done in a smoother, more reliable, and more user-friendly way. Having to absorb all those deals and equip all the items in no-time-at-all (which you might not even be able to do if you happen to be stuck in a yoke, or being raped by DCL), is overwhelming, confusing, frustrating, and ultimately non-immersive ... add to which, every single mod seems intent on leaving my inventory full of redundant junk, so I have three times as many devices as I have useful combat gear. I wouldn't mind if I could just click on them and nuke them. When you get another load of items out in the wilds, with no container to dump them in, they can quickly build up.

 

Trying to do too much at once is encouraging script lag and papyrus problems. Even if they aren't happening, they might. Why not space things out a bit more?

Spoiler

 

1) When enslaved, you should not get all deals pre-loaded immediately. Instead follower should explain that they're letting you into the deals gently, then give you the first deal. Once you meet any requirements for first deal, should be at least two game minutes before next deal added, and so on, until all deals added. You should get each deal just as if you were asking for them normally. Could use this system for all deals generally, so you can't get new deals if you aren't wearing your stuff from your existing deals.

 

2) If you already have items for a deal, whether its from enslavement or not, as long as the items are vanilla non-block-generic items, don't give replacements - assume player will use the ones they already have. As a backup, allow the player to ask for missing items, or the player can use a button in the MCM to add items (which is already a feature), but basically, just stop endlessly giving out the same items because its more annoying than helpful. This would stop the issue where you pause the mod and get all the items again. This becomes a bit of a pain if you have to pause often.

 

3) Slut armor, need not be given in all varieties on commencing the deal, you should have to ask for it. You can then get one set free, but all subsequent requests could cost debt. You should be given at least two warnings that you need to ask for the armor-type you prefer before you start getting debt for not wearing it. Alternatively, DF could look at your skills and pick the single correct armor and give just that. It's probably going to be right 95% of the time, and if not, hard luck: the follower thinks that one looks better on you!

 

Goes without saying that SS could also leverage a more evenly paced approach too, with benefits in reliability and user-experience.