quest Thief

[kakaer]

I just wanted to add that the part of the mod mentioned above is really buggy when it comes to cameras. I've had my share of different issues with it as well.

[Highborn]

6 hours ago, thiciathy said:

I'm really at the end of my patience with the camera issues in this mod: https://www.webmshare.com/play/VrRY3

 

Can't zoom out of that, can't move it, and can't enable free cam or the mod freezes. Tried MyTPC which kind of helps in cases where I have control over camera, but does nothing for scenes like the webm linked above (and even in normal scenes it keeps resetting when there is a change in a scene).

 

Why is it made like this when it causes so many issues?

 

I have Customizable Camera installed (too late to remove it). I know there are probably no fixes, I've searched this thread for them already, just wanted to vent a little

you should be able to zoom out with customizable camera, by chaning the min distance setting. I always use it with this mod without a problem.

[drunken toad]

11 hours ago, thiciathy said:

I'm really at the end of my patience with the camera issues in this mod: https://www.webmshare.com/play/VrRY3

 

Can't zoom out of that, can't move it, and can't enable free cam or the mod freezes. Tried MyTPC which kind of helps in cases where I have control over camera, but does nothing for scenes like the webm linked above (and even in normal scenes it keeps resetting when there is a change in a scene).

 

Why is it made like this when it causes so many issues?

 

I have Customizable Camera installed (too late to remove it). I know there are probably no fixes, I've searched this thread for them already, just wanted to vent a little

The only camera issue I have with this mod is during the scene with the carriage driver, where the camera is locked based on where it's set before the carriage departs. But, it can be fixed by zooming almost all the way out before departing. I don't use any camera mods though. I just keep Sexlab installed by itself and use it's floating camera hot key to get better angles during scenes. But you have to be careful not stay in free float for too long otherwise you'll break scenes.

 

Have you tried running the mod without the camera mod installed? That may very well fix it. Also ensure you're not in first person before the scene starts. 

You have to remember that Dogma develops this mod around whatever he has installed to minimize conflicts (from my understanding he uses very little). I doubt he's using the camera mod that you have installed while creating these scenes. Therefore problems may arise. Not saying it's the camera mod could be any mod you have installed that he doesn't.

 

The reason the camera is the way it is during scenes is due to the fact that dialogue will only play if the camera is attached to the player. You can use free float during spoken dialogue and the text will remain. Though if you stay in free float when the next dialogue is spoken you risk breaking the scene depending on whether or not there is a stage change.

 

If you aren't willing to remove mods that may be causing issues, it's unfair to get upset that things aren't working as intended. It's unreasonable to assume the author will ensure the mod works with every combination of mods out there. There are just far too many.

[brewmasterhal]

11 hours ago, thiciathy said:

Tried MyTPC which kind of helps 

I have Customizable Camera installed

I want to say that Customizable Camera and MyTPC are incompatible.  I installed both at one time and ended up removing CC in favor of MyTPC due to having weird issues.

 

As for the scenes with fixed camera angles: maybe we can get Dogma to create a toggle to turn that off.

[Doobydoob]

Is there any update on the new release? (Sorry its probably a very common question but i haven't seen any updates on the next release)

 

[Highborn]

16 minutes ago, Doobydoob said:

Is there any update on the new release? (Sorry its probably a very common question but i haven't seen any updates on the next release)

 

around the end of November

[thiciathy]

15 hours ago, Highborn said:

you should be able to zoom out with customizable camera, by chaning the min distance setting. I always use it with this mod without a problem.

change it to what? I already tired playing with it and making it big or small and I still get forced into 1st person where I can't see anything, cant move anything, and scroll wheel does nothing

[Highborn]

5 hours ago, thiciathy said:

change it to what? I already tired playing with it and making it big or small and I still get forced into 1st person where I can't see anything, cant move anything, and scroll wheel does nothing

You’re probably having another mod conflicting with it. There is no first person scene in Thief, except for a brief moment with Cooli.

[Horus_04]

At the moment I have the problem that when the (2.) blackscreen comes up during the first action with Liorel it does not stop. The player keeps on moaning, but there is no picture anymore. Also, an infinite blackscreen also appears when I want to skip the waiting for the report. When I "continue playing normally" everything runs smoothly. The problem occurred after I installed some of the fixes and extras, but I couldn't find out which one it was. 

 

I have installed the following files:
Thief Extras - More Boob Dialogs            
Thief Extras - NPC Names
Thief Fixes - Dialog
Thief Fixes - Mesh & Texture            
Thief Fixes - No Cart WE    
Thief Fixes - No Player Voice
Thief Fixes - STFU Narri
and the German translation of the mod

 

 

Has someone else already had the problem and found a solution?
I thank you for all the solutions.

 

 

[Valgo]

2 hours ago, Horus_04 said:

At the moment I have the problem that when the (2.) blackscreen comes up during the first action with Liorel it does not stop. The player keeps on moaning, but there is no picture anymore. Also, an infinite blackscreen also appears when I want to skip the waiting for the report. When I "continue playing normally" everything runs smoothly. The problem occurred after I installed some of the fixes and extras, but I couldn't find out which one it was. 

 

I have installed the following files:
Thief Extras - More Boob Dialogs            
Thief Extras - NPC Names
Thief Fixes - Dialog
Thief Fixes - Mesh & Texture            
Thief Fixes - No Cart WE    
Thief Fixes - No Player Voice
Thief Fixes - STFU Narri
and the German translation of the mod

 

 

Has someone else already had the problem and found a solution?
I thank you for all the solutions.

 

 

It's probably nothing but I did have some weird stability problems with No Player voice until I redownloaded and reinstalled it.
I don't see HOW that is a problem given that it's just a bunch of sound files (I assume) but that has been my experience.

Or it was just bad luck on my part and completely unrelated.

[brewmasterhal]

6 hours ago, Horus_04 said:

At the moment I have the problem that when the (2.) blackscreen comes up during the first action with Liorel it does not stop. The player keeps on moaning, but there is no picture anymore. Also, an infinite blackscreen also appears when I want to skip the waiting for the report. When I "continue playing normally" everything runs smoothly. The problem occurred after I installed some of the fixes and extras, but I couldn't find out which one it was. 

I would say that the "Mesh and Texture" patch is the most likely to cause problems, since it makes a bunch of modifications to NPCs, but it shouldn't cause the black screen issue.  The fade to black bug seems to just come and go for reasons that aren't clear to anyone, but you can usually just turn off the option in the MCM and it will go away.

 

4 hours ago, Valgo said:

It's probably nothing but I did have some weird stability problems with No Player voice until I redownloaded and reinstalled it.
I don't see HOW that is a problem given that it's just a bunch of sound files (I assume) but that has been my experience.

Or it was just bad luck on my part and completely unrelated.

That seems very weird.  It is literally just a bunch of empty copies of the sound files.  The way I made them was a little hacky (I wrote a script to replace all of the waveform data with 0x00 bytes) so it's possible that I overwrote something I shouldn't have.

[brewmasterhal]

For those who have access to the Patreon posts, see below the spoiler for translations of the text visible in prev1.mp4

Spoiler

Kruvar: House keeping!

Prisoner: Just a minute!

Message Box: Get dressed OR Choose a pose

Message Box: On the side OR On the back OR On the belly

Message Box: Change pose OR Choose this pose

 

[Valgo]

2 hours ago, brewmasterhal said:

I would say that the "Mesh and Texture" patch is the most likely to cause problems, since it makes a bunch of modifications to NPCs, but it shouldn't cause the black screen issue.  The fade to black bug seems to just come and go for reasons that aren't clear to anyone, but you can usually just turn off the option in the MCM and it will go away.

 

That seems very weird.  It is literally just a bunch of empty copies of the sound files.  The way I made them was a little hacky (I wrote a script to replace all of the waveform data with 0x00 bytes) so it's possible that I overwrote something I shouldn't have.

I don't think it was something on your end really, it worked just fine (apart from like one or two missed voice lines that where still voiced) when I redownloaded it.
I had troubles with the download mirror (some error message) even a day before that so I assume something happened during the initial download.

But yeah I figured I might as well mention it.

[chiptaculer]

On 9/19/2020 at 5:06 AM, thiciathy said:

I'm really at the end of my patience with the camera issues in this mod: https://www.webmshare.com/play/VrRY3

 

Can't zoom out of that, can't move it, and can't enable free cam or the mod freezes. Tried MyTPC which kind of helps in cases where I have control over camera, but does nothing for scenes like the webm linked above (and even in normal scenes it keeps resetting when there is a change in a scene).

 

Why is it made like this when it causes so many issues?

 

I have Customizable Camera installed (too late to remove it). I know there are probably no fixes, I've searched this thread for them already, just wanted to vent a little

do you use immersive first person view? it forces first person in many situations and thats a problem i had a while but found a fix in its .ini setting

[lese8]

On 9/20/2020 at 4:38 AM, brewmasterhal said:

I want to say that Customizable Camera and MyTPC are incompatible.  I installed both at one time and ended up removing CC in favor of MyTPC due to having weird issues.

 

As for the scenes with fixed camera angles: maybe we can get Dogma to create a toggle to turn that off.

maybe we can suggest Dogma to change minigame hotkeys as well. I don't think middle mouse button is in common use, maybe we can change to spacebar. Sometimes, I clicked it by mistake when I zoom in/out by scroll the wheel. And.... MMB on many types of mouse is easy to be broken, like G502...

[thiciathy]

5 hours ago, chiptaculer said:

do you use immersive first person view? it forces first person in many situations and thats a problem i had a while but found a fix in its .ini setting

Oh my god it was Enhanced Camera! Thanks for the advice. All now works fine Shame I've already player through 7.5 parts with it broken like that.

[brewmasterhal]

7 hours ago, lese8 said:

maybe we can suggest Dogma to change minigame hotkeys as well. I don't think middle mouse button is in common use, maybe we can change to spacebar. Sometimes, I clicked it by mistake when I zoom in/out by scroll the wheel. And.... MMB on many types of mouse is easy to be broken, like G502...

I'll send a message asking about some QoL changes to the mod.

[ANAWEN]

How to replace the default costume of subway, I tried once and failed。

[Horus_04]

20 hours ago, brewmasterhal said:

Ich würde sagen, dass der Patch "Mesh and Texture" am wahrscheinlichsten Probleme verursacht, da er eine Reihe von Änderungen an NPCs vornimmt, aber das Problem mit dem schwarzen Bildschirm nicht verursachen sollte. Der Fade to Black Bug scheint nur aus Gründen zu kommen und zu gehen, die niemandem klar sind, aber Sie können die Option im MCM normalerweise einfach deaktivieren und sie verschwindet.

 

Das scheint sehr seltsam. Es ist buchstäblich nur ein Bündel leerer Kopien der Audiodateien. Die Art und Weise, wie ich sie erstellt habe, war ein wenig hackig (ich habe ein Skript geschrieben, um alle Wellenformdaten durch 0x00 Bytes zu ersetzen), sodass ich möglicherweise etwas überschrieben habe, das ich nicht haben sollte.

After switching off fade-to-black I now have 2 new problems.
1. the pc moves in and out of the chair. (picture 1)
2. if normally the blackscreen would come, Liorel just stands still and the character stays in the position, even if I activate the character control in the mcm again (picture 2)

 

 

[Horus_04]

1 hour ago, Horus_04 said:

Nach dem Ausschalten von Fade-to-Black habe ich jetzt 2 neue Probleme.
1. Der PC bewegt sich in den Stuhl hinein und aus ihm heraus. (Bild 1)
2. Wenn normalerweise der schwarze Bildschirm kommen würde, steht Liorel einfach still und der Charakter bleibt in der Position, auch wenn ich die Charaktersteuerung im mcm erneut aktiviere (Bild 2).

 

Now that I have uninstalled all fixes and extras again, I have found out that all problems come from the German translation. After I reinstalled thief without German translation all problems were solved. 

I can't explain how the errors could only come from the translation, but this was clearly the problem.

 

I thank you for all your suggestions.

 

Greetings Horus

[brewmasterhal]

8 hours ago, shizheng said:

How to replace the default costume of subway, I tried once and failed。

Did you put files in \Data\meshes\BD\Subway\PlayerClothesAlt\?

 

6 hours ago, Horus_04 said:

Now that I have uninstalled all fixes and extras again, I have found out that all problems come from the German translation. After I reinstalled thief without German translation all problems were solved. 

I can't explain how the errors could only come from the translation, but this was clearly the problem.

@TarnisMartell Any insight into this?

[samuelga24]

Hi, first of all i am playing on SE, with the port uploaded here by Mrloler in the page 149, I am aware that it says that that version does not work with the latest version of skyrim so i know i cant expect a miracle, so far i have been able to advance through all of it with very little issues;

I have an issue with The jewler in Radiant Garments, when i ask for information about the other dibellan coins, he asks me to buy or sell something but that actually doesn't work, i have even used commands to have enough money to buy everything he has in stock and when i hit the Tab or the Esc key to end the purchase and go back to the chat there is no new dialogue related to the coins, as if i hadn't purchased anything, according to the the walktrough the two coins are in the brothel in the Winkie Skeever, if i talk to the orc and to madam petit without the jewler telling me who has the coins is no use, i am currently in the shunkway i have to get now 5 gold coins to pay for Runa's debt, i was wondering if i could get those two coins, didnt do it before because of this issue and as it was not completely necesary to advance in the story i hadn't tried to do it before.

 

Another issue i have, and to me is not really a big deal, is that some npcs have, i suppose, custome head meshes and this is causing them to have dark faces, i use a npc hair replacer so i have to export the new facegen data of all npcs, vanilla and added by mods with the creation kit for them not to have dark faces, i do this with all the mods that add new npcs with no problem, i have done the same to this one and it works but there are a few npcs that still keep the black face:

 

-Liorel.

-The jerking boy in the hot springs.

-The old man at the bannered mare.

-the guard that watches the jarl rooms in falkreath.

-The two bards in solitude.

 

I am no expert, I am assuming it is because they have a different head mesh, and this mesh is not compatible with SE, as i said before is not a big deal, no gamebreaking but if it can be fixed, thanks for the time.

[theliddtin]

1 hour ago, samuelga24 said:

Hi, first of all i am playing on SE, with the port uploaded here by Mrloler in the page 149, I am aware that it says that that version does not work with the latest version of skyrim so i know i cant expect a miracle, so far i have been able to advance through all of it with very little issues;

I have an issue with The jewler in Radiant Garments, when i ask for information about the other dibellan coins, he asks me to buy or sell something but that actually doesn't work, i have even used commands to have enough money to buy everything he has in stock and when i hit the Tab or the Esc key to end the purchase and go back to the chat there is no new dialogue related to the coins, as if i hadn't purchased anything, according to the the walktrough the two coins are in the brothel in the Winkie Skeever, if i talk to the orc and to madam petit without the jewler telling me who has the coins is no use, i am currently in the shunkway i have to get now 5 gold coins to pay for Runa's debt, i was wondering if i could get those two coins, didnt do it before because of this issue and as it was not completely necesary to advance in the story i hadn't tried to do it before.

 

Another issue i have, and to me is not really a big deal, is that some npcs have, i suppose, custome head meshes and this is causing them to have dark faces, i use a npc hair replacer so i have to export the new facegen data of all npcs, vanilla and added by mods with the creation kit for them not to have dark faces, i do this with all the mods that add new npcs with no problem, i have done the same to this one and it works but there are a few npcs that still keep the black face:

 

-Liorel.

-The jerking boy in the hot springs.

-The old man at the bannered mare.

-the guard that watches the jarl rooms in falkreath.

-The two bards in solitude.

 

I am no expert, I am assuming it is because they have a different head mesh, and this mesh is not compatible with SE, as i said before is not a big deal, no gamebreaking but if it can be fixed, thanks for the time.

The coin from the Jeweler is the same as all the other gold coins, so it doesn't change your experience in the Skunkway. 

 

I've had issues with the jeweler's "barter" system not responding even with the LE, so it might not be an SE exclusive problem.

 

[brewmasterhal]

On 9/21/2020 at 8:43 AM, brewmasterhal said:

I'll send a message asking about some QoL changes to the mod.

Heard back from Dogma about the following:

1. Adding an MCM option so that the minigames that use the middle mouse button can be changed to some other button - probably going to see this in the upcoming update
2. Modifying the scenes that have skippable segments (the indicator in the bottom corner) so that fewer inputs will trigger the skip - may see removal of the mouse wheel as a trigger, but more complex MCM options will have to wait
3. Adding MCM features to allow more intelligent, per-slot or per-item stripping (think similar to the sexlab stripping feature) - not soon
4. Updates to scenes that use a forced camera angle - the camera script has been changed in the coming update for some of the new scenes, but old scenes will likely not be changed meaningfully unless the new script breaks them

7 hours ago, samuelga24 said:

Hi, first of all i am playing on SE, with the port uploaded here by Mrloler in the page 149, I am aware that it says that that version does not work with the latest version of skyrim so i know i cant expect a miracle, so far i have been able to advance through all of it with very little issues;

I have an issue with The jewler in Radiant Garments, when i ask for information about the other dibellan coins, he asks me to buy or sell something but that actually doesn't work, i have even used commands to have enough money to buy everything he has in stock and when i hit the Tab or the Esc key to end the purchase and go back to the chat there is no new dialogue related to the coins, as if i hadn't purchased anything, according to the the walktrough the two coins are in the brothel in the Winkie Skeever, if i talk to the orc and to madam petit without the jewler telling me who has the coins is no use, i am currently in the shunkway i have to get now 5 gold coins to pay for Runa's debt, i was wondering if i could get those two coins, didnt do it before because of this issue and as it was not completely necesary to advance in the story i hadn't tried to do it before.

5 hours ago, theliddtin said:

I've had issues with the jeweler's "barter" system not responding even with the LE, so it might not be an SE exclusive problem.

I've never had issues with this, but if you can't get the dialog to appear, run setpqv bd_sq_sol sol_jeweler_dial_anotherperson 90 and it should work.

 

7 hours ago, samuelga24 said:

Another issue i have, and to me is not really a big deal, is that some npcs have, i suppose, custome head meshes and this is causing them to have dark faces, i use a npc hair replacer so i have to export the new facegen data of all npcs, vanilla and added by mods with the creation kit for them not to have dark faces, i do this with all the mods that add new npcs with no problem, i have done the same to this one and it works but there are a few npcs that still keep the black face:

Hard to say what might cause this, but it sounds like it's probably some asset that got lost in the conversion to SE.

 

 

[lese8]

3 hours ago, brewmasterhal said:

Heard back from Dogma about the following:

1. Adding an MCM option so that the minigames that use the middle mouse button can be changed to some other button - probably going to see this in the upcoming update
2. Modifying the scenes that have skippable segments (the indicator in the bottom corner) so that fewer inputs will trigger the skip - may see removal of the mouse wheel as a trigger, but more complex MCM options will have to wait
3. Adding MCM features to allow more intelligent, per-slot or per-item stripping (think similar to the sexlab stripping feature) - not soon
4. Updates to scenes that use a forced camera angle - the camera script has been changed in the coming update for some of the new scenes, but old scenes will likely not be changed meaningfully unless the new script breaks them

I've never had issues with this, but if you can't get the dialog to appear, run setpqv bd_sq_sol sol_jeweler_dial_anotherperson 90 and it should work.

 

Hard to say what might cause this, but it sounds like it's probably some asset that got lost in the conversion to SE.

 

 

Great!