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On 9/30/2018 at 11:08 AM, nevermind2233 said:

Hello, this is my post here in this forum, although i have been around for a very long time - with another account. I used this one because i stupidly use the same user account for so many other game/gaming forum accounts and i can't afford to be linked there (due to a very obvious reason).

 

First of all, i'm a little bit disappointed with this mod, but that's because i set the expectation bar too high.

I can see the hard work you put here and believe me i only want to give positive feedback to make the mod better.

 

So let's start with the feedback in a certain order of importance :

  1. Some of the quest entirely doesn't make sense.
    Yeah, it doesn't. My char is an aspiring courtesan, she's a pampered girl with 9/10 looks trying to make quick cash in Skyrim, which is infested with all sorta dangerous creatures, bandits, and civil wars. I doubt she can even beat Braith in fist fight, she's not the sneaky cutpurse type who would risk her neck hanged, also she's not a brute swinging a double axe, neither is she a courier.
    She's not supposed to travel around Skyrim which is filled with all sorta dangerous creatures and civil war just to post some goddamn pamphlets. She's not supposed to save someone from a bandit nest, doesn't fit at all. She's the exact opposite of the adventuring badass who would travel into a falmer/dwemer/huge spider/whatever it is to find a missing dwarven artifact. Regardless of the use of the artifact, which is to picture naked girls, no it doesn't fit.
  2. I didn't get part of being an associate.
    First of all if i were an associate, i would have a say whatever position for followers that i've hired. Like Axia said some girls are just tits and holes. Some are attractive enough to be courtesan, but ended up joining as an apprentice. I can't even promote one of my girls from a cheap apprentince into a dancer.
  3. The mansion.
    I'm very sure you have never went into a brothel before, apologies if i am wrong/have offended.
    One of my friends once asked me to go there - he's a regular, and he's trying to help me coupe from a breakup. And the first thing that came into my mind is : oh fuck, what if someone i know sees me there? You can ask around in google and everyone feels EXACTLY the same as i did. I even have the imminent need to state you the reason i feel the urge to go there, which is obviously because everyone wants their privacy, they don't want anyone they know to see them in a brothel.
    Yet in the mansion, i didn't see any private rooms, only one. People who went to high class brothel doesn't pay to have sex in the tavern in front of 20 other guests. I know it would be much harder to develop a package that made the guest and the courtesan went to a brothel room, but at the very least please in the mean time just add several private rooms to do stuff.
  4. No vendors.
    I can't buy food, drink, or ale inside. Which is pretty silly considering that Axia was screaming about profit margins, and the price markup most brothels put on things sold inside there. Even a 1 dollar soft drink becomes 10x as expensive.
  5. The visitors.
    Yeah, the regulars. A forsworn, a witch, a dremora, a vampire, and an argonian. I know you're trying to add diversity, but those 5 didn't add up. I don't think any of those 5 had the means (septims, time, location) to afford a courtesan. About the argonian, well in real life some of the girls who have a long list of regulars didn't want to sleep with a guy from a certain race, age group, hygiene, or appearance (apologies if i offend someone reading this). That's why most of the high-class establishment requires the customers to bathe and be checked for STDs before they get inside a girl.

Aside those 5, i would like to add several suggestions :

  1. Can hire a guard from follower.
    Having a guard to save that girl from bandits instead of you would made the entire mod make much more sense.
  2. Allow custom outfits to be used  by the girls.
    You don't even need to develop outfits because there's a plenty, i repeat, plenty of outfits there. Half of Skyrim nexus armors for girls already screams "hey bro i'm a hooker, use me". It also adds a huge novelty and would make the part where the dragonborn being a manager make much more sense.
  3. Adding second floor to the mansion.
    Most brothels have at least 2 longues. The first one is for everyone who pays to get inside and look at the girls, if they didn't like the girls, they get out. The second lounge is for the guys who already pick a girl so they can date and chat.

 

Lastly, for me the mod is a solid 5/5. It adds something new into the game, it's a novelty, and it's unique. Not everytime we had business mod in Skyrim. Probably the other 2 is just Heljarchen and Windstad. Keep up a good work.

 

On 10/4/2018 at 11:44 PM, Delzaron said:

Axia lesson is about dance.

She dances, you talk to her, and everything follow...

 

Thegirl who is interested to become a dancer is Iolia.

1. You're hired as an asset. There are also roads. A bill poster lives in falkreath, and can make the job for yoy if you pay him.

2 : you earn a part of the brothel incomes, and be able to hire/fire employees. Promotion : I plan to add it to the mod, but please understand each manor have limited positions.

3 : No, I never entered into a brothel : I have no need for that. I'll take count of your remark, and make little rooms instead of large ones.

4 : I see... I can add this to the list (after all, the manor have a maid).

5 : Yep, t's for diversity. and not all the girls are courtesan... the manor provides entertainement all the purses.

 

About suggestion :

1 : a guard was planned, but I removed him... I could add him again, and make him hireble by the player.

2 : how I could do that ?

3 : The vampire manor style doesn't really fir with that... It' why I prefered a one floor manor... the two other have floors. I'll see what I can do for the Night Mistress Manor.

 

Yep, the core of the mod, like the other I made, is his originality.

 

 

I didn't planned that...

At the beginning of the mod, the mansion is not develop : only one whore (Lalum) is available. You see, Axia and his crew are recent in Skyrim (I don't spoil Axia's past). It's why you're hired.

The burning thigh can be built by triggering a side quest (Axia or Carmen ?) after the main quest line completion.

 

The night Mistress Manor was already reduced in dimensions... if I modify it to add private rooms intead of big ones, It will require some extension, I'm afraid...

Hum... the script I made fire them, but maybe there is a package problem (the script delete the package I use for whores). I should test it again.

Yes, only if the NPC is a follower. Normal NPC can't be fired for now.

 

I'll made changes in the mod :

- no more big rooms full of beds, I'll replace it by lot of small chambers.

- a dialogue option to avoid to go in the wild and visit all ins if you chosen to be a whore.

- A promotion system (if jobs positions are available).

- a fire dialogue for NPC (not the mod NPC, of course : they need to stay in the manor).

- Amélie and the madams in the other mansions could be vendors if they are in the manor, and player employed by Axia (of course !).

- customers checking is very hard to code... and we are in fantasy middle age : STD are easy to cure with a potion (vampirism and lycantrhoy are curable with potions, so... and Axia ia  vampire lord).

 

11 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

I can't get anyone to mention the Burning Thighs. I've spoken to all the named NPCs in the mansion.

 

As an aside, I currently also playing Mia's Lair and the rooms and space there are great.

Problem found : the quest is not activated by default!

Fixed, I'll test.

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22 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

I can't get anyone to mention the Burning Thighs. I've spoken to all the named NPCs in the mansion.

 

As an aside, I currently also playing Mia's Lair and the rooms and space there are great.

Recent changes :

- if you're afraid to visit all skyrim inns and place adds (player level <= 10), you can tell it to Axia. She'll give you a purse, and order you to directly hire the bill poster services.

- Amelie, Favani and Julienne Lylvienne are now misc items merchants. You need to be an employee, and they need to be inside the mansions.

- Changes made in all the mansion : little individual rooms for clients and prostitutes privacy. navmeshed.

- You can ask a Mansion guard to escort you.

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13 hours ago, Delzaron said:

Problem found : the quest is not activated by default!

Fixed, I'll test.

Can't wait. Thanks.

 

13 hours ago, Delzaron said:

- no more big rooms full of beds, I'll replace it by lot of small chambers.

It's big rooms we want not pokey little rooms where everyone gets stuck.

Beds are a waste time in Skyrim. I don't think I have ever had a successful sexual animation involving a bed so I never use them.

Everyone loves that corner.



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I bumped into Kheled(?) and her bodyguard out on the road near Markarth.

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On 10/5/2018 at 4:44 AM, Delzaron said:

3 : No, I never entered into a brothel : I have no need for that. I'll take count of your remark, and make little rooms instead of large ones.

 

About suggestion :

2 : how I could do that ?

3 : The vampire manor style doesn't really fir with that... It' why I prefered a one floor manor... the two other have floors. I'll see what I can do for the Night Mistress Manor.

Hello, about number 3, it will pose a challenge because NPCs will be stuck. There's a lot of NPCs and they have sex eventually.
I just made that suggestion so the mod will feel more immersive. At least having private rooms to have sex means dragonborn doesn't have to do it in the corner.

As long as the NPCs have package to wander around the lounge after sex, they will come back.

I'm not sure about radiant sex, i think it will be very hard to check whether each room is vacant or not, you don't have to do it anyway, it's too hard.

 

About suggestion number 2, you can do it via vanilla trade equipment dialog. Instead of whore clothes you can simply create a whore perk with corresponding rank and give that perk to the employees. Even better, you can actually use sexlab's sex skills and factor it as $$$. This will make the mod feel more businesslike.

 

Since you've never been into a brothel and i've been there once, i think i should give my input on suggestion #3.

That brothel has 4 lounges. The first ones are common lounge. They have girls and customers who went there for sightseeing.

 

They also have "aquarium" lounge. It's like a lounge with billiard pool and bar, but they display whores inside "aquariums".

The whores have sex with each other or striptease for everyone to see.

You can also buy them a drink and play billiard or whatever with them there. If you pay more, they will play with you naked.

My friend who is a regular said girls in the aquarium lounge usually costs more than regular lounge for a simple fact that a vendor will display his/her finer goods.

 

Finally they have "karaoke" lounge. It's like private karaoke rooms but you get into the room with a girl. You can have them sing and dance for you.

The karaoke lounge girls are different from other 2 because usually they are better at singing and dancing. However, aquarium girls usually is the hottest.

All the girls, from whichever lounge they are, have calling numbers for you to book.

 

Then, at the top floor they have what seems like gazebos which include jacuzzis.

After you check in with a girl, she will bring you to the jacuzzi and you two have private chat sessions and bj while she check you for signs of STDs.
Again you don't have to build it that way, it's too hard, but maybe a swimming pool wouldn't hurt :)

 

After you have bj + private chat which usually lasts for 30mins at least (depending on how long you book her), you went into private rooms.

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On 10/6/2018 at 9:58 PM, Delzaron said:

Only whores count. Not whores apprentices.

I have hired 3 more and they are definately whores, they all wear that red gown, still i can't progress. Is there some other catch to this part? It used to work in the past, so i'm really confused here... whats the console commant to get past this step?

 

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I'm kind of stuck on this.. Maybe it is something that is broken because I am trying to use it with SE..

maybe I am doing it wrong.  Here are the series of events as I recall them:

 

- I spoke with a tavern wench and started the questline.

- I found my way to the nightmistress mansion

- when asked I told Axia that I'd rather not be a whore..  that I would just assist

- I went out handing out all the flyers..  questlog says return to the mansion

- I return to the mansion and see Carmen standing there with a dead apothecary at the doorstep...  here is where things get wacky

 

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- I spoke with carmen and she asked to see the boss.

- I went inside...   she did not follow.

- I went back outside and noticed she would follow me around the exit area.

- going inside I used moveto command to bring carmen inside

- carmen follows me up to axia.  I tell axia she wants to work there

- Carmen wears a new outfit.. I guess the mansion whore outfit.   Axia tells me to just patrol the mansion for now.. she doesnt want trouble

- The questlog does not show that I introduced carmen to axia...  but it does say to serve clients.  (which is weird because I chose NOT to be a whore)

- I went downstairs to see what would happen and got a popup  that didn't quite fit the screen   the first option (too busy) was too far left  and the last option (whats this client doing) was too far right.   I exited game and looked up the options under messages to see what they were.  then resumed where I left off.

- Selecting what this client is doing?   I got a double popup with the options.. I just clicked the same option again and it simply made carmen and a mercenary walk outside (after a 10 minute wait)... I followed and stared at them standing there gazing off into the distance.  for about half an hour.   no further action occured.  

- selecting any of the other options later on... did nothing.

- selecting I'm too busy and just walking around the mansion for an hour.. did nothing.

- I tried talking to all the npcs.. only one of them had a dialogue that said "trigger quest event"   Which I did...  5 times..   nothing happened.

 

Any advice?

 

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On 10/12/2018 at 4:25 AM, Lodakai said:

I'm kind of stuck on this.. Maybe it is something that is broken because I am trying to use it with SE..

maybe I am doing it wrong.  Here are the series of events as I recall them:

 

- I spoke with a tavern wench and started the questline.

- I found my way to the nightmistress mansion

- when asked I told Axia that I'd rather not be a whore..  that I would just assist

- I went out handing out all the flyers..  questlog says return to the mansion

- I return to the mansion and see Carmen standing there with a dead apothecary at the doorstep...  here is where things get wacky

 

--------------- Broken part --------------------

- I spoke with carmen and she asked to see the boss.

- I went inside...   she did not follow.

- I went back outside and noticed she would follow me around the exit area.

- going inside I used moveto command to bring carmen inside

- carmen follows me up to axia.  I tell axia she wants to work there

- Carmen wears a new outfit.. I guess the mansion whore outfit.   Axia tells me to just patrol the mansion for now.. she doesnt want trouble

- The questlog does not show that I introduced carmen to axia...  but it does say to serve clients.  (which is weird because I chose NOT to be a whore)

- I went downstairs to see what would happen and got a popup  that didn't quite fit the screen   the first option (too busy) was too far left  and the last option (whats this client doing) was too far right.   I exited game and looked up the options under messages to see what they were.  then resumed where I left off.

- Selecting what this client is doing?   I got a double popup with the options.. I just clicked the same option again and it simply made carmen and a mercenary walk outside (after a 10 minute wait)... I followed and stared at them standing there gazing off into the distance.  for about half an hour.   no further action occured.  

- selecting any of the other options later on... did nothing.

- selecting I'm too busy and just walking around the mansion for an hour.. did nothing.

- I tried talking to all the npcs.. only one of them had a dialogue that said "trigger quest event"   Which I did...  5 times..   nothing happened.

 

Any advice?

 

Carmen is following. Tested many times.

I don't know why you got that problem.

 

The not whore path is not fully implemented... it's why you can meet these problems.

 

 

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21 minutes ago, Delzaron said:

Carmen is following. Tested many times.

I don't know why you got that problem.

 

The not whore path is not fully implemented... it's why you can meet these problems.

 

 

Ok Thank you Delzaron ?

You have done a nice job decorating the castle, I can see you've already put a LOT of work into this mod.

I know you have a lot of work still to do.. and hopefully you will have time create a situation for a pimp (male) or customer (male and female) with this mod.

It is a very interesting setup, it has a lot of potential to be improved.

 

Of course you need to finish one project before expanding into other ideas.   When you finish the hookers path, I hope you will keep this in mind for players who do not wish to be hookers. 

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On 10/14/2018 at 5:48 PM, Lodakai said:

Ok Thank you Delzaron ?

You have done a nice job decorating the castle, I can see you've already put a LOT of work into this mod.

I know you have a lot of work still to do.. and hopefully you will have time create a situation for a pimp (male) or customer (male and female) with this mod.

It is a very interesting setup, it has a lot of potential to be improved.

 

Of course you need to finish one project before expanding into other ideas.   When you finish the hookers path, I hope you will keep this in mind for players who do not wish to be hookers. 

 

And it's not over !

 

In the next version :

- Courtesan quest strongly modified : in the current version, you're just a spectator... that's not funny at all. So, the dragonborn will bring the cute and innocent Kahedec around askyrim, meet allthe local whores and sluts (Ysolda...), and teach her the way of sex and pleasures.

- I decided to rework my scenes script : the mansions activities are... rare... yes. Whe the actor event works, you can maybe see 1 whore going to bed with 1 client every... 5 minutes ?

All my actors are referenced, so I plan to make simplier scripts, which will launch scenes (specific whore + random choosen client), in a loop reinitialized every 2 minutes...

I fixed also the client problem quest.

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2 hours ago, WickieI said:

by trial and error. I disabled one mod at a time and tried to load whiterun. Only without this mod i didn´t get a ctd and the game is now running smoothly

Did you start a new game every time you disabled a mod? Did you do it with every mod or did you stop when you got to this mod?

Does this mod actually do anything to Whiterun?

Perhaps loading a mod this size took your game over the limit as far as what it could run goes? Lots of people out there are running this mod without Whiterun woes.

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31 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

Did you start a new game every time you disabled a mod? Did you do it with every mod or did you stop when you got to this mod?

Does this mod actually do anything to Whiterun?

Perhaps loading a mod this size took your game over the limit as far as what it could run goes? Lots of people out there are running this mod without Whiterun woes.

I have no problems in whiterun...

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15 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

Did you start a new game every time you disabled a mod? Did you do it with every mod or did you stop when you got to this mod?

Does this mod actually do anything to Whiterun?

Perhaps loading a mod this size took your game over the limit as far as what it could run goes? Lots of people out there are running this mod without Whiterun woes.

I installed it together with a bunch of mods and then got the crashes. I used a clean save with my running setup everytime i disabled a mod and tested every new installed mod. This mod was the only one crashing it. Maybe it is conflicting with something, like JK´s Whiterun-Overhaul. I´ll test it later and on other major cities.

It could very well have gone over the limits of my game, given how broken the memory is but until now i hadn´t problems running large mods

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So when I get the quest to serve 2 clients after recruiting Carmen, I get some weird dialogue issues. I'll ask if they want to have some fun, they say sure cutie and it just... hangs there.

Press Tab to exit dialogue, try to re-engage, no follow-up option like other times. One playthrough, I managed to get past this htich, and was at the quest where I need to recruit NPCs/followers. But going around the mansion, I tried to go around asking people if they wanted services but they ONLY ever had the "Wanna have some fun" dialogue choice and NEVER the follow-up. Also walking into the vampire seemed to start some pop-up window saying something about actors ("no actors found?" or something?)

Also, hiring the bill poster doesn't seem to remove the posters from my inventory? Is this harmless?

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9 hours ago, Rabblerouser said:

So when I get the quest to serve 2 clients after recruiting Carmen, I get some weird dialogue issues. I'll ask if they want to have some fun, they say sure cutie and it just... hangs there.

Press Tab to exit dialogue, try to re-engage, no follow-up option like other times. One playthrough, I managed to get past this htich, and was at the quest where I need to recruit NPCs/followers. But going around the mansion, I tried to go around asking people if they wanted services but they ONLY ever had the "Wanna have some fun" dialogue choice and NEVER the follow-up. Also walking into the vampire seemed to start some pop-up window saying something about actors ("no actors found?" or something?)

Also, hiring the bill poster doesn't seem to remove the posters from my inventory? Is this harmless?

The script which is supposed to find you a client make a mistake : it doesn't affect a client to the alias. It's strange, the script worked wuite fin in previous version, and it's just a fucking scan and while loop...

I guess I'll solve that problem like I done for problematic clients : all my clients are referenced, so I'll order the script to specificaly randomly pick one of them.

 

No, not normal : you paid him for this, after all !

 

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5 hours ago, Delzaron said:

The script which is supposed to find you a client make a mistake : it doesn't affect a client to the alias. It's strange, the script worked wuite fin in previous version, and it's just a fucking scan and while loop...

I guess I'll solve that problem like I done for problematic clients : all my clients are referenced, so I'll order the script to specificaly randomly pick one of them.

 

No, not normal : you paid him for this, after all !

 

Need help fixing the script?

Ping me on Discord in the evenings.

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