Devious Devices

[izzyknows]

38 minutes ago, HeyYourself said:

uhm, which issues? I unequipped all and then removed items from the inventory by their ids.

Restraints mostly. They're scripted and using the console doesn't terminate the scripts. For example, wrist ropes, you force remove them and all seems good, then on FT or reload your PC or NPC is playing the bound animation. The only fix is to craft the exact item, equip it, then remove it correctly.

Force removing the bra "might" cause piercings not to equip. Or the belt "might" cause plugs not to equip. DD is buggy and very touchy how things work.
 

[Elsidia]

1 hour ago, HeyYourself said:

Literally, previous page

Then if you read all - there was i said that bra do not do that - it have on restraints boots. In old version bra have body but in last version from bra body removed.

1 hour ago, HeyYourself said:

which version is the latest one?

Yes the same version. But if still you have problem with bra it may happen because you wear those boots or some other bugged armor. Or at least you can add to bra 1stperson view as described in those part.

1 hour ago, HeyYourself said:

dialog doesn't pop up for chastity bra and belt.

Mod conflicts, wrong load order. I never have problems with bra pop up message. Solution: disable mod by mod before menu pops up. Or just got bra equip it, manipulate the locks. If after that menu pops up, then violate messes up with putting on bra. If then no menu too - then wrong mod load order or conflict with some of your installed mods. (I have violate, real handcuffs too and bra works fine). Solution in that case i described before.

[HeyYourself]

Elsidia, yes, I read it all. And I had no boots equipped, just the bra and the belt. The color of the bra is black, and what sticks into sight in 1st person is also black and it looks exactly like on the screen the dude uploaded. I'll take a look into the load order, thanks, maybe there is a problem there. Idk about the no problems with these mods man. I've been playing on and off in sky and fo4 since 2013 and if it's more or less ok on fo4 (at least, it doesn't crash), it was a CTD-fest playing with these on sky. So I simply don't have a lot of trust in these, lol. I literally have 2 scripted mods from here and unfortunately one of the mods inherits a dep on this.

 

izzyknows, that's pretty cool, huh. Gonna try it if I run into these again.

[Elsidia]

14 hours ago, HeyYourself said:

The color of the bra is black

Hmm... only curious. If you wear only that black bra in 1rst person is too black things? Also maybe you can get me id of that bra i take look in my fallout 4 how it looks and from what mod it is.

 

[HeyYourself]

4 hours ago, Elsidia said:

Hmm... only curious. If you wear only that black bra in 1rst person is too black things? Also maybe you can get me id of that bra i take look in my fallout 4 how it looks and from what mod it is.

 

 

lol, so I loaded an older save to give the IDs of the things and decided to check my suspicion if it's the Fallsouls that prohibits DD menu from popping up. It is the Fallsouls. Turning PipboyMenu OFF in the Fallsouls MCM fixes interaction with DD. Might be worth it to add this info in FAQ here, since Fallsouls is a very popular mod.

 

Upd.:

Unequipping the bra properly via dd menu fixes the aforementioned clipping of it into 1st person.

IDs coming right up.

 

Uhm, I take it you want the base id of the bra? Do I need the creation kit to get that info or something like that? I believe refid is instance specific and won't be of use,

[Elsidia]

21 minutes ago, HeyYourself said:

 

lol, so I loaded an older save to give the IDs of the things and decided to check my suspicion if it's the Fallsouls that prohibits DD menu from popping up. It is the Fallsouls. Turning PipboyMenu OFF in the Fallsouls MCM fixes interaction with DD. Might be worth it to add this info in FAQ here, since Fallsouls is a very popular mod.

 

Upd.:

Unequipping the bra properly via dd menu fixes the aforementioned clipping of it into 1st person.

IDs coming right up.

 

Uhm, I take it you want the base id of the bra? Do I need the creation kit to get that info or something like that? I believe refid is instance specific and won't be of use,

Open console: help "iron bra" or how  it's named - there is id

Open console - if bra is in inventory player.showinventory - > found bra and there is id.

Edited: If you unequip bra through console there left second part of bra with visible meshes - because can be abnormally clipping.

 

[HeyYourself]

20 minutes ago, Elsidia said:

Open console: help "iron bra" or how  it's named - there is id

Open console - if bra is in inventory player.showinventory - > found bra and there is id.

Edited: If you unequip bra through console there left second part of bra with visible meshes - because can be abnormally clipping.

 

 

10015DE6

 

Didn't understand the edit. Iron Chastity Bra clips into 1st person when you crouch only if it's equipped. If it's unequipped (regardless of the way it's been uneqipped - be it the proper one through the DD's popup menu -> unlock, or via console) - it doesn't.

[Elsidia]

2 minutes ago, HeyYourself said:

Iron Chastity Bra clips into 1st person when you crouch only if it's equipped

Ok i check it home with my Fallout 4 and write fully report. Now i'm in work and what you described happens only with restrictive boots no bra.

It's been about 2,5 hours from this moment.

For info:

DD items are with two parts:

1) first part is invisible part on you and that part is what you see in inventory, have unlock menu, all messages and what key you need also other useful variables to set different settings (as example there you can set 0% chance to struggle out - that means you will never struggle out even after 1 million try)

2) second visible part - that part contains what type of dd item is (bra, wristcuffs, etc.) Also there are write all effects (blindfold, hopping, etc.) Also this part have visual armor meshes what you see on you when are out of inventory. But this part is invisible in inventory and be shown up only in console player.showinventory)

 

When you equip first part in inventory, second part equips automatically. When you unequip first part, second part unequipped, remove all effects and was destroyed.

When you remove first part with console second part left on and have all effects what that dd part have. As example if you remove leg cuffs by console - you still hopping because second part is still on you. Also if you remove second part by console too - then there no trigger effects remove script and hopping effects stay too on.

 

And to get you more confusing all that's not that easy: if second part contains animations those part still need first part where is stored effects remove script and what animations variables are on. A second part technically only contains keywwords what says to script what type of animation is on.

[Dez65]

2 hours ago, Elsidia said:

Ok i check it home with my Fallout 4 and write fully report. Now i'm in work and what you described happens only with restrictive boots no bra.

It's been about 2,5 hours from this moment.

For info:

DD items are with two parts:

1) first part is invisible part on you and that part is what you see in inventory, have unlock menu, all messages and what key you need also other useful variables to set different settings (as example there you can set 0% chance to struggle out - that means you will never struggle out even after 1 million try)

2) second visible part - that part contains what type of dd item is (bra, wristcuffs, etc.) Also there are write all effects (blindfold, hopping, etc.) Also this part have visual armor meshes what you see on you when are out of inventory. But this part is invisible in inventory and be shown up only in console player.showinventory)

 

When you equip first part in inventory, second part equips automatically. When you unequip first part, second part unequipped, remove all effects and was destroyed.

When you remove first part with console second part left on and have all effects what that dd part have. As example if you remove leg cuffs by console - you still hopping because second part is still on you. Also if you remove second part by console too - then there no trigger effects remove script and hopping effects stay too on.

 

And to get you more confusing all that's not that easy: if second part contains animations those part still need first part where is stored effects remove script and what animations variables are on. A second part technically only contains keywwords what says to script what type of animation is on.

This post seems to hint at a problem I'm having.  Cait got hobbled during a Violate scene.  When I removed her bindings after escaping the scene, the hopping animation persisted.  Is there any procedure to follow to stop the animation?  Or a console command in a pinch?

 

Great mod and works perfect otherwise.

[Dez65]

43 minutes ago, Dez65 said:

This post seems to hint at a problem I'm having.  Cait got hobbled during a Violate scene.  When I removed her bindings after escaping the scene, the hopping animation persisted.  Is there any procedure to follow to stop the animation?  Or a console command in a pinch?

 

Great mod and works perfect otherwise.

I seem to have resolved the issue.  I'm not sure how I was able to remove the restraints after the Violate scene as apparently I did not have a key.  In any event, I went to Kimy in GN,  bought a restraints key, reequiped the restraint on Cait and then unlocked it.  Cait reverted to her default costume but she's not bunny hopping anymore.

 

 

[Elsidia]

42 minutes ago, Dez65 said:

Or a console command in a pinch?

Console command not helps. You need put on her back leg restraints, have restraints key in your inventory (you can spawn this key by console) and exit from her inventory. Then return back and remove a leg restrains - for that need key in your inventory. after that she must stop hobbling. If not then after remove enter console select her and do command showinventory. If there is hidden equipped item - then you need remove it by removeitem. If that not work, then clean her inventory and  do command - removeall. After that repeat a procedure by putting on leg restraints. Now it must help. When you unequip item there shows up new item - unequipme before exit. Do it what it say - or all equipped items unequiping.

[Elsidia]

 

4 hours ago, HeyYourself said:

10015DE6

Ok  this device is from Devious devices as i expected and i test it in game first view.

In spoiler are results:

Spoiler

Bra not have 1rst view in Fo4edit:

My first view in crouching (wear only iron bra):

How bra look in bodyslide:

 

[HeyYourself]

Elsidia, it looks the same in bodyslide. Here are the in-game screens, maybe you'll spot the thing and say what is causing it?

 

Spoiler

 

1. Char is visually wearing nothing except the chastity bra and belt:

 

 

2. PipBoy inventory:

 

 

3. Console output:

 

 

4. Clipping in crouch:

 

 

 

[Elsidia]

16 hours ago, HeyYourself said:

what is causing it?

I have no clue but i suspect your pipboy fx.

But we can try to fix you bra:

First test only with bra after fix if it helps test it in complex with chastity belt - if bug return need fix belt to.

Ok here we go:

You need learn how to work with fo4edit. Or at least (i think it's dangerous for DD - CK)

You see the my first picture from my post? there is bra in fo4edit. You need put in that line:

DeviousDevices\1stPersonHands.nif

Your bra id is 10015DE5 where you need do modifications (i recalculate id for you mod situation and add your hex load order 10)

In spoiler are stroke from boots how it can be wrote:

Spoiler

Also if it not helps you can try disable Pipboy Fx - load a save if it not crash check how it works without it. If crashes start new game and spawn those items to test how it looks without. Also if not helps we can try add first view from original Fallout4. I can later try to find it. Also later i can try to explain a little how to use Fo4edit.

 

I restore my DD devious devices.esm to original (i have there many bug fixes and add gas-mask from DD meshes) and

 i modified in that way all bra and belts was i found into DD and put modified dd into that thread.

You need put this file straight to data folder. Also if something works wrong - you can restore from original mod.

If you not modify your DD by Fo4edit or CK - you can rewrite this and test how it works with  Pipboy Fx.

But still you have problem with straight jacket - those can unequip your pipboy forever. When you enter in pipboy in that jacket you see naked arm only.

 

Edit - i use Devious devices first look not original.

 

Devious Devices.esm

[asdf935]

Is there a way to change the number of locks for the lockpick minigame replacer? 3 master locks with a single bobby pin is ridiculous!

[Elsidia]

1 hour ago, asdf935 said:

Is there a way to change the number of locks

Only by rewrite script. In game not possible.

You probably try to pick very heavy lock what can't be unlock by default because it's so hard.

As example institute wrists cuffs can't be picked by standard but in mini game there still is 1% chance to pick it.

[Nebuchadnezzer2]

On 5/30/2020 at 2:13 AM, HeyYourself said:

Elsidia, it looks the same in bodyslide. Here are the in-game screens, maybe you'll spot the thing and say what is causing it?

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

1. Char is visually wearing nothing except the chastity bra and belt:

 

 

2. PipBoy inventory:

 

 

3. Console output:

 

 

4. Clipping in crouch:

 

 

 

You don't happen to have this installed, do you?

[m.skynet]

Quick question.

If a chastity belt is on, should it filter AAF sex animations so vaginal/anal "activities" won't be included?

(trying to understand whether my mod setup is wrong or this feature is not implemented)

[izzyknows]

5 hours ago, m.skynet said:

Quick question.

If a chastity belt is on, should it filter AAF sex animations so vaginal/anal "activities" won't be included?

(trying to understand whether my mod setup is wrong or this feature is not implemented)

That's not a DD feature. DD doesn't block any sex animations.

[m.skynet]

6 minutes ago, izzyknows said:

That's not a DD feature. DD doesn't block any sex animations.

Hm. I see. I assumed it kinda works like Skyrim one, where worn DD items are used to filter available animations. You can't have vaginal sex through METAL panties so it makes sense...

[izzyknows]

9 minutes ago, m.skynet said:

Hm. I see. I assumed it kinda works like Skyrim one, where worn DD items are used to filter available animations. You can't have vaginal sex through METAL panties so it makes sense...

Kimy abandoned the F04 version...

Or oral sex wile wearing a penis gag.

[Elsidia]

12 hours ago, m.skynet said:

I assumed it kinda works like Skyrim one

Trust me i play many Skyrim SE about 2 month and there is too rape from DCL through heavy metal) Even they not try to take belt off))

But DD is written without AAF and script extender because it's not filter sex animations. Maybe some is even better while script extender makes more stress to Fallrim. Ouch! Fallout 4)

 

Edited second times - Sex not included in DD. That means if you use sex mod it's need to check if you wear a belt. Technically DD can't know what sex mod you use.

[m.skynet]

19 minutes ago, Elsidia said:

Trust me i play many Skyrim SE about 2 month and there is too rape from DCL through heavy metal) Even they not try to take belt off))

But DD is written without AAF and script extender because it's not filter sex animations. Maybe some is even better while script extender makes more stress to Fallrim. Ouch! Fallout 4)

 

Edited second times - Sex not included in DD. That means if you use sex mod it's need to check if you wear a belt. Technically DD can't know what sex mod you use.

With regards to DCL - if something like you describe happens, I assume it is a bug. Or a chastity belt with opening for anal - as far as I know there are such items.

I'd assume at worst case there would be a patch that would signal AAF in one way or another what kind of animation tags are prohibited. I am not familiar enough with AAF mechanisms to think of a proper way to do this, but I would assume it is possible to set some global filter for keywords of animations that are chosen for each sex scene.

[Elsidia]

25 minutes ago, m.skynet said:

I assume it is a bug.

Very happen bug - I specially put on me Queen's Sarah chastity belt - what for centuries haven't keys - but NPC just ignore this belt and rape me always as i haven't belt) Only one belt help Timed maiden belt. For others is as i describe - and no one time i not got on open belts) Also i can say - belts work only for consensual sex -if you have belt on - you can't sex. But you can be raped by NPC)

 

But return to Fallout 4. You need to study AAF configuration files and their language - .xml files. There is internet tutorial from AAF founder. As i know it can prevent takes off dd items when strip - i use that type of xml file in my Fallout4. But about to filter animations for dd - not sure maybe you found something useful in tutorial. About keywords not sure - usually need then dd as master for AAF or write mod detector script and if dd exists manually add a keywords to AAF - that means you need rework AAF working engine.

 

[DaMasta]

On 5/22/2019 at 5:14 AM, siderr said:

Quick incompatibility report here, Fallsouls doesn't work well with dd. DD items are not visually equipped and menus are not appearing.

Thanks for your fyi. It helped me track down my issue with things not appearing or working properly.