NightroModzz Posted December 13, 2017 Posted December 13, 2017 31 minutes ago, Kuroyami said: Not sure if the female Selachii PC using that exact word in a playful sense makes it better, but that is the intention. Also not sure if I'd want to define in dialog the PC's, well, relative age, in that maybe they are somewhat older, even if it isn't by much. They can both be used in either a sexual playful kind of way and not. For example; some cool type female characters in anime that have a superior feeling to them may often use the word shounen a lot. Also, yoruichi in the anime Bleach uses the word boiya a lot. I've even heard them used in J-drama, although not quit as much as one would hear them in anime. I have never heard of someone directly referring to someone else as otoko or otokonoko. That is a word you learn early on in Japanese 101. Your Japanese teacher may even say that you don't directly refer to someone with that, as did mine. EDIT: Yes, I've even heard younger females refer to older males with those words, but in anime only and usually with a superiority complex.
Blaze69 Posted December 13, 2017 Author Posted December 13, 2017 14 hours ago, NightroModzz said: They can both be used in either a sexual playful kind of way and not. For example; some cool type female characters in anime that have a superior feeling to them may often use the word shounen a lot. Also, yoruichi in the anime Bleach uses the word boiya a lot. I've even heard them used in J-drama, although not quit as much as one would hear them in anime. I have never heard of someone directly referring to someone else as otoko or otokonoko. That is a word you learn early on in Japanese 101. Your Japanese teacher may even say that you don't directly refer to someone with that, as did mine. EDIT: Yes, I've even heard younger females refer to older males with those words, but in anime only and usually with a superiority complex. Huh, guess if the nickname is to stay, I'll change it to "Shounen", then. "Boiya" sounds like Engrish (Cyrodiiric?) to me even if it's not. But then again, we could simply do away with the nickname altogether, or invent a new word for it or whatever. After all, Akaviri may be pretty much RL Japanese as per vanilla representations of anything Akavir-related being heavily based on Japan and other Eastern cultures, but that doesn't mean it has to be 100% accurate; part of the fun of creating fictional stories and universes and such is in being creative and not being absolutely true to reality. Hell, maybe we should simply keep Otokonoko and say the meaning is different in Akaviri and does fit in this situation. I don't know, I kinda like how it sounds. Perhaps make it "Tokonoko" or "Konoko" instead?
WarsunGames Posted December 13, 2017 Posted December 13, 2017 Wish i could link it to the original Site but i am not allowed to use anything from LL from Nexus's opinion.
Blaze69 Posted December 13, 2017 Author Posted December 13, 2017 26 minutes ago, WarsunGames said: Wish i could link it to the original Site but i am not allowed to use anything from LL from Nexus's opinion. Actually you can. Ever since LL added the age warning that pops up when you load the page, the Nexus allows linking to LL. You have to warn the link is NSFW, and you still can't link to extreme stuff like rape or bestiality, but if you simply want to post a link to this file on your Sharkmer Race page, you can do it. If you check out my Nexus page, you will see I have 3 links to LL (including one to this thread) and I haven't had any problems so far.
NightroModzz Posted December 13, 2017 Posted December 13, 2017 7 hours ago, Blaze69 said: Huh, guess if the nickname is to stay, I'll change it to "Shounen", then. "Boiya" sounds like Engrish (Cyrodiiric?) to me even if it's not. But then again, we could simply do away with the nickname altogether, or invent a new word for it or whatever. After all, Akaviri may be pretty much RL Japanese as per vanilla representations of anything Akavir-related being heavily based on Japan and other Eastern cultures, but that doesn't mean it has to be 100% accurate; part of the fun of creating fictional stories and universes and such is in being creative and not being absolutely true to reality. Hell, maybe we should simply keep Otokonoko and say the meaning is different in Akaviri and does fit in this situation. I don't know, I kinda like how it sounds. Perhaps make it "Tokonoko" or "Konoko" instead? I guess you can, but fair warning: even most people who have some basic Japanese (language) knowledge like myself will find the use of otokonoko very weird. tokonoko isn't a word, but does sound a bit strange. I think konoko sounds better aside from shounen, but does mean "this child." kono meaning this combined with the kanji for child. ( この子 ) Never heard it used that way and may sound like a flirting nickname, but may also make the female sound like a predator.
Blaze69 Posted December 13, 2017 Author Posted December 13, 2017 41 minutes ago, NightroModzz said: I guess you can, but fair warning: even most people who have some basic Japanese (language) knowledge like myself will find the use of otokonoko very weird. tokonoko isn't a word, but does sound a bit strange. I think konoko sounds better aside from shounen, but does mean "this child." kono meaning this combined with the kanji for child. ( この子 ) Never heard it used that way and may sound like a flirting nickname, but may also make the female sound like a predator. Okay, okay, fine *rolls eyes*. I'll change it to Shounen and leave it at that unless we can come up with a better nickname or the whole nickname thing gets scrapped. I swear this just keeps getting ridiculous mumble mumble... Nah, jokes aside, fair enough. I' guess I'll change it. Also TFW you realize you are learning snippets of Japanese here and there while trying to come up with a playful sexual nickname in Japanese given by a fictional female anthropomorphic shark to her friend-slash-companion-slash-potential-fuckbuddy that doesn't sound bad or weird to people that do know Japanese. And some people dare say the Internet is bad. Oh, the humanity! Lol.
Kuroyami Posted December 13, 2017 Posted December 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Blaze69 said: Also TFW you realize you are learning snippets of Japanese here and there while trying to come up with a playful sexual nickname in Japanese given by a fictional female anthropomorphic shark to her friend-slash-companion-slash-potential-fuckbuddy that doesn't sound bad or weird to people that do know Japanese. And some people dare say the Internet is bad. Oh, the humanity! Lol. I'm just glad I didn't think of giving her that laugh. You know the one. Would not really fit the situation, but... Otherwise, may do a little more for it, but here are Mizuno's lines for an Orc PC. Spoiler M – [PlayerIsAnOrc] The Orcs have, strongholds here in Skyrim, right? | [PC] First I have heard of them. | M – I cannot say I have seen them myself, but I heard of them from the College. | M – Only one I know of specifically would be the one in the mountains near Kynesgrove. [Gives Map Marker for Narzubur] [PC] They do, but I hold no love for them. | M – Oh? Why not? | [PC] They are little better than a prison for a race that should be proud, not hiding in the mountains. | M – That is...not something I can argue with. [PC] [PlayerIsFemale] Oh, nothing. But being promised to a Chieftain, with no real say in it? | M – Oh, I see. Were you? If you do not mind my asking. | [PC] Yes, and that is why I left. | M – Better to choose, rather than having another do it for you. [PC] No, I never got that far. | M – Did you still leave the stronghold? | [PC] What do you think? | M – Right, right. [PC] (optional) Do you know about them, or not? | M – I do – I am just trying to make sure. 1
NightroModzz Posted December 14, 2017 Posted December 14, 2017 8 hours ago, Blaze69 said: Okay, okay, fine *rolls eyes*. I'll change it to Shounen and leave it at that unless we can come up with a better nickname or the whole nickname thing gets scrapped. I swear this just keeps getting ridiculous mumble mumble... Nah, jokes aside, fair enough. I' guess I'll change it. Also TFW you realize you are learning snippets of Japanese here and there while trying to come up with a playful sexual nickname in Japanese given by a fictional female anthropomorphic shark to her friend-slash-companion-slash-potential-fuckbuddy that doesn't sound bad or weird to people that do know Japanese. And some people dare say the Internet is bad. Oh, the humanity! Lol. Lol sorry, but I didn't make the language. To be fair, I'm not the one learning snippets of Japanese through google translate. I've taken 3 college courses and a class in Little Tokyo, have a dresser sized drawer full of Japanese learning material, and listen to it almost daily. Although, still have to admit that my ability to speak it is still somewhat limited, but will keep the creation of a nickname in mind. If it's too troublesome and you really want to do whatever, I won't try to help with the language stuff, even if it feels kind of cringy. I'm sure a lot flew by me anyways, as I don't usually read Kuroyami's hidden content. Not much of a reader. you can try shark pup which IIRC, Kuroyami used before. It would be combining the word shark (same) and the kanji for child (ko), which would be sameko. Besides some different ways to refer to the opposite gender, there isn't much sexual nicknames in Japanese. It's all wordplay which has a variety of uses, and most of the time used as funny insults or puns. Using wordplay is essentially changing the kanji or meaning of someone else's name by what sounds similar to, or has a similar written kanji. Hears some wordplay for you, (zameenko), although can't say I'm good at it. You can also do a search on Japanese pet names for couples, but may be somewhat limited in sexual ones. "the Internet is bad. Oh, the humanity! Lol." That might actually happen. Ajit Pie might be on the run tomorrow, and I might not be too far behind with a pitchfork. lol
Blaze69 Posted December 14, 2017 Author Posted December 14, 2017 4 hours ago, NightroModzz said: Lol sorry, but I didn't make the language. To be fair, I'm not the one learning snippets of Japanese through google translate. I've taken 3 college courses and a class in Little Tokyo, have a dresser sized drawer full of Japanese learning material, and listen to it almost daily. Although, still have to admit that my ability to speak it is still somewhat limited, but will keep the creation of a nickname in mind. If it's too troublesome and you really want to do whatever, I won't try to help with the language stuff, even if it feels kind of cringy. I'm sure a lot flew by me anyways, as I don't usually read Kuroyami's hidden content. Not much of a reader. you can try shark pup which IIRC, Kuroyami used before. It would be combining the word shark (same) and the kanji for child (ko), which would be sameko. Besides some different ways to refer to the opposite gender, there isn't much sexual nicknames in Japanese. It's all wordplay which has a variety of uses, and most of the time used as funny insults or puns. Using wordplay is essentially changing the kanji or meaning of someone else's name by what sounds similar to, or has a similar written kanji. Hears some wordplay for you, (zameenko), although can't say I'm good at it. You can also do a search on Japanese pet names for couples, but may be somewhat limited in sexual ones. Yeah, I know, I know. If you say it sounds bad and/or cringy, I believe you. No, it's not troublesome at all. In fact that's the point of posting all this stuff in the mod thread itself: to get feedback and suggestions from anyone that may want to post them. If I didn't want to hear comments on it I would simply start a PM thread with Kuroyami and have all the development-related talk happen there leaving this thread for user comments and technical support only; but that is not the case. The thing is, that feedback doesn't happen regularly, which leads me to believe people either are fine with it or don't care, so I simply carry on with it. But if you have something to say, do feel free to post it. See, I hadn't thought of such a word play, that is clever. Since we've stated "same" in-lore can refer both to "(feral) shark" and to "Selachii", that means sameko could have both meanings, right? I also like how it sounds too. What would be the meaning of "zameenko", though? I didn't want it to be explicitly sexual, just playful and maybe a bit naughty (but only a bit if possible). I don't know, I just feel like it would fit my characters very well and TBH this wouldn't be the first mod to "force" the player into a specific role or personality in dialogue nor would it be the most blatant at it, so I thought it wasn't a bad idea.
Kuroyami Posted December 14, 2017 Posted December 14, 2017 14 minutes ago, Blaze69 said: The thing is, that feedback doesn't happen regularly, which leads me to believe people either are fine with it or don't care, so I simply carry on with it. But if you have something to say, do feel free to post it. I'd love a lot more from others personally, which hopefully would be constructive, and not just wishing to admonish every choice. Lots of reviews for various mediums do that, as well as videos that suggest X game is better or does something better than Y. No contrast, no reasoning(be it a good, bad or acceptable one) for differences, just a basic question and complaining. I've actually been waiting for some of the negative feedback, though it could be that most of the divisive content is optional. Even though I could still see someone commenting about the obvious things. Like how every character with the Human schlong option is likely to use the Uncut option, that someone doesn't like the look of it(even perhaps making the blunder of saying it doesn't look natural). Or perhaps someone who thinks that the relationships presented are not done very well, etc. 14 minutes ago, Blaze69 said: See, I hadn't thought of such a word play, that is clever. Since we've stated "same" in-lore can refer both to "(feral) shark" and to "Selachii", that means sameko could have both meanings, right? I also like how it sounds too. What would be the meaning of "zameenko", though? Could start using Sameko in reference to young Selachii, though likely in a basic, non-derogatory way. Some might use it in that fashion, though. 14 minutes ago, Blaze69 said: I don't know, I just feel like it would fit my characters very well and TBH this wouldn't be the first mod to "force" the player into a specific role or personality in dialogue nor would it be the most blatant at it, so I thought it wasn't a bad idea. That...is something I've tried to avoid, where possible. Such as Mizuno's discussion with a Nord, and Orc characters. There could be things I left out, given how many ideas one could have for a character, but I'd hope it would be something that works. More to the point, I see that line as fairly simple, and not too indicative of character - similar to the lines in SLEN, for example. Though obviously more race-specific than that mod gets.
NightroModzz Posted December 14, 2017 Posted December 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Blaze69 said: See, I hadn't thought of such a word play, that is clever. Since we've stated "same" in-lore can refer both to "(feral) shark" and to "Selachii", that means sameko could have both meanings, right? I also like how it sounds too. What would be the meaning of "zameenko", though? Zameen means sperm or seamen. Sea-men, get it? Although aside from sounding similar in Japanese, the seamen part is more of an English joke. Just for reference, you could also use same-onna (shark girl/woman) and same-otoko (shark boy/man). Even same-jin meaning shark person. For a nickname, maybe you can come up with one in English and I might be able to do a translation, but it's not 100% for sure because of the language and culture difference. EDIT: All three references of which are also indirect. To refer to them without name as same, it would be same-oneesan, same-oniisan, and same-san. 1
Blaze69 Posted December 14, 2017 Author Posted December 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Kuroyami said: Could start using Sameko in reference to young Selachii, though likely in a basic, non-derogatory way. Some might use it in that fashion, though. More to the point, I see that line as fairly simple, and not too indicative of character - similar to the lines in SLEN, for example. Though obviously more race-specific than that mod gets. Oh, no, I didn't mean to say the double meaning with feral would be derogatory; quite the opposite in fact, at least when used by the PC. It would be something like when you call a friend "rascal", the word itself may not be very positive but the meaning and tone is friendly. In this specific context, it could mean something like "sexy beast", I guess. As I said, I kinda like how it sounds, so I would go for it if it doesn't sound out of place. EDIT: no sure if "ko" can simply be interpreted as "young" (as in "young shark/shark pup"), but that's the way I used it. You are right, it's not really indicative and isn't much more intrusive like SLEN lines are. I guess the only thing we would be implying would be that the PC speaks Akaviri or at least knows enough to understand the few other untranslated dialogues and use/come up with the nickname, but that is a fair assumption for a Selachii, just like you would expect most Argonians to know at least a bit of Jel and Khajiit with Ta'agra (I think that was the name for their language but I'm not sure). 55 minutes ago, NightroModzz said: Zameen means sperm or seamen. Sea-men, get it? Although aside from sounding similar in Japanese, the seamen part is more of an English joke. Just for reference, you could also use same-onna (shark girl/woman) and same-otoko (shark boy/man). Even same-jin meaning shark person. For a nickname, maybe you can come up with one in English and I might be able to do a translation, but it's not 100% for sure because of the language and culture difference. EDIT: All three references of which are also indirect. To refer to them without name as same, it would be same-oneesan, same-oniisan, and same-san. Oh, I see. Well, not sure I would want to use such a nickname, lol. Good tobknow abou those, guess we'll keep them in mind in case they can be used at some point.
Kuroyami Posted December 14, 2017 Posted December 14, 2017 15 minutes ago, Blaze69 said: Oh, no, I didn't mean to say the double meaning with feral would be derogatory; quite the opposite in fact, at least when used by the PC. Yeah, any time the PC would use it, it would not be in any kind of negative way - after all, if the term is just used in the dialog's with Mizuno, then obviously you are talking to, in some sense, a friend, and likely don't have much of a problem with him - mostly since you helped him. Use of the term by characters other than the PC could be more negative, though this may just be in background writing. Now that I think about it, may add some dialog for Mizuno that is simple conceptually, but otherwise complex. Essentially a leadup to a threesome interaction between the player, Mizuno and Ko'Maru. Likely the conditional of being in a certain area is fairly simple, along with Ko'Maru being in the same cell. But I'm not sure of that. Also thought of something for Loki...rather basic, since I have not started his dialog yet. This just being an outline. Spoiler [PC] [PlayerReadMizunoJournal-YA] So, you and Mizuno...? | L - Do you expect me to be surprised that you know? | L - Like this is a schoolhouse in a small village, where it would be a problem. | [PC] What about Ko'Maru? | L - What? I know the facts, and those events do not change their feelings. | L - Emotionally, I never intended to get between them - and I did not. | L - Physically, is another matter. | L - By the gods, he knows how to use that tongue... [PC] What exactly would they call that? | L - Outgoing, at best. | L - My first experience was everything I knew would not be wanted of me. My parents expected many things. | L - Including that I would gleefully marry and assist my future wife in having children. All without much of a choice. | [PC] That is not too unreasonable. | L - Given time to choose that, and I could possibly agree. But that time was never offered. [PC] If it never happened, why worry about it? | L - I do not. But the only reason why it did not, started with the Civil War, which began long before Torygg was killed. | L - Lost a brother in the Markarth incident, even. [PC] What was your first experience? | L - Tavern W...barmaid in Candlehearth. | L - She liked that I was rich, young, and drunk. | L - Not much to worry about though, since she liked it...up the backside. | L - Or so she put it once, in hushed tones around polite company. Not sure where she was from. Not sure if the mention of a schoolhouse makes any kind of sense, but the idea is to get the point across.
NightroModzz Posted December 14, 2017 Posted December 14, 2017 11 hours ago, Blaze69 said: EDIT: no sure if "ko" can simply be interpreted as "young" (as in "young shark/shark pup"), but that's the way I used it. Young? I guess you can use it that way. There is also wakai which means young, although not used in names. Child, pup, kitten, etc, yes. Ko is used very commonly, even in names. Especially names. The full word for child is kodomo, then the kanji for child (ko) is taken and added to varyous other words. You can't really go wrong adding it at the end to an animals name, except that it's sometimes added at the beggining. For example: cat = neko, and kitten = koneko. Koneko is a common pet name for girls as well. EDIT: Have to admit that I got something backwards. Ko is usually at the begining for animals, similar to kodomo (child), and usually at the end for names (on averge women, but not restricted to). Although, I already mentioned the second part. Funny how I only remembered after just waking up. Example: dog = inu, puppy = koinu, and disregarding wanko, which probably refers to either. Fox = kitsune, and fox cub = kogitsune. So it's safe to say that kosame is a shark pup, and I think sameko is a specific breed of shark. Maybe a lemon shark, IIRC? When doing a search on kosame, you might just get nothing but an anime character unless it's typed out in Japanese characters. 1
Blaze69 Posted December 14, 2017 Author Posted December 14, 2017 9 hours ago, Kuroyami said: Yeah, any time the PC would use it, it would not be in any kind of negative way - after all, if the term is just used in the dialog's with Mizuno, then obviously you are talking to, in some sense, a friend, and likely don't have much of a problem with him - mostly since you helped him. Use of the term by characters other than the PC could be more negative, though this may just be in background writing. I see how that could happen, yes. 9 hours ago, Kuroyami said: Now that I think about it, may add some dialog for Mizuno that is simple conceptually, but otherwise complex. Essentially a leadup to a threesome interaction between the player, Mizuno and Ko'Maru. Likely the conditional of being in a certain area is fairly simple, along with Ko'Maru being in the same cell. But I'm not sure of that. Looking at the available conditional functions, I thinkI can check to see if Ko'Maru is in the same cell as the player (and obviously Mizuno, since you would be talking to him in the first place), so that can be taken care of. Only works in interiors so the detection could be a bit wonky in exteriors, if possible at all (maybe with a check for distance?), but who would want to do it outside anyway? As for the SL function I call, it needs an array of actors that I build on the fly, so in theory if I pass an array with Mizuno and Ko'Maru + the player, it should start a threesome without problem. So if you want you can write it and I'll see if I can get it working. Can't guarantee until I actually try, though. 9 hours ago, Kuroyami said: Also thought of something for Loki...rather basic, since I have not started his dialog yet. This just being an outline. [...] Not sure if the mention of a schoolhouse makes any kind of sense, but the idea is to get the point across. Don't think I've ever heard a mention of schoolhouses or even schools in Elder Scrolls, but I'm not that much of a lore nut so I would have to check. Otherwise, good, I guess. 7 hours ago, NightroModzz said: Young? I guess you can use it that way. There is also wakai which means young, although not used in names. Child, pup, kitten, etc, yes. Ko is used very commonly, even in names. Especially names. The full word for child is kodomo, then the kanji for child (ko) is taken and added to varyous other words. You can't really go wrong adding it at the end to an animals name, except that it's sometimes added at the beggining. For example: cat = neko, and kitten = koneko. Koneko is a common pet name for girls as well. Koneko, you say? I like it. Probably won't use it in this context, but I could definitely go for it for any other female feline character. Good to know. 7 hours ago, NightroModzz said: Have to admit that I got something backwards. Ko is usually at the begining for animals, similar to kodoo (child), and usually at the end for names (on averge women, but not restricted to). Although, I already mentioned the second part. Funny how I only remembered after just waking up. Example: dog = inu, puppy = koinu, and dissregarding wanko, which probably refers to both. Fox = kitsune, and fox cub = kogitsune. So it's safe to say that kosame is a shark pup, and I think sameko is a specific breed of shark. Maybe a lemon shark, IIRC? When doing a search on kosame, you might just get nothing but an anime character unless it's typed out in Japanese characters. Lemon shark? Is that a thing? *Googles* Oh, whaddayaknow, it is. Turns out the "lemon" thing comes from the yellow colouring which is also a form of camouflage. Also it's not one of those species that does belong to the shark familiy but doesn't fit the common image of a shark, it fits it pretty well. I like the tail too. The more you know, I guess. I should do some more research on sharks some of this days. Anyway, I think I will go for sameko. BTW, thanks for all the bits of info on the Japanese language; don't think I'll be learning it anytime soon so they don't have that much "direct" practical value, but they are still fun to know nonetheless.
Kuroyami Posted December 14, 2017 Posted December 14, 2017 3 hours ago, Blaze69 said: Looking at the available conditional functions, I thinkI can check to see if Ko'Maru is in the same cell as the player (and obviously Mizuno, since you would be talking to him in the first place), so that can be taken care of. Only works in interiors so the detection could be a bit wonky in exteriors, if possible at all (maybe with a check for distance?), but who would want to do it outside anyway? As for the SL function I call, it needs an array of actors that I build on the fly, so in theory if I pass an array with Mizuno and Ko'Maru + the player, it should start a threesome without problem. The only problem could be a lack of such animations available in a user's game, but I suppose maybe SLAL packs with those animations could be recommended on the mod's page? 3 hours ago, Blaze69 said: Don't think I've ever heard a mention of schoolhouses or even schools in Elder Scrolls, but I'm not that much of a lore nut so I would have to check. Otherwise, good, I guess. I've changed the line to mention an "Imperial Boarding School", though I could probably just call it an Imperial School, which likely does exist in the Imperial City - with how large it is supposed to be. As for why Loki knows about it, maybe Solitude could have had or(technically) has a school of certain similarity - which he would have only seen on a visit to the capital, not that he attended the school himself.
Blaze69 Posted December 15, 2017 Author Posted December 15, 2017 11 hours ago, Kuroyami said: The only problem could be a lack of such animations available in a user's game, but I suppose maybe SLAL packs with those animations could be recommended on the mod's page? Pretty sure SL includes a few threesome animations by default, and AFAIK the most popular SLAL packs (Nibbles, Leito, Anubis) all include at least one extra anim on top of that, so it's fair to assume the anims won't be missing, though they could be limited. But since most if not all of those anims are intended to include female characters (either 1 female + 2 males or 1 male + 2 females), male characters could have it a little harder; the anims would still be there but they would probably look a bit weird. AFAIK the only anim pack that includes MMM anims is Tweens' M2M Gay Animations. Also character-wise, would Ko'Maru be willing to partake in that scene if the PC is female? And if so, how would he react? So far he's only shown interest in males, not females, at least that I know of (could have missed some small cue somewhere, but I don't think so).
Kuroyami Posted December 15, 2017 Posted December 15, 2017 5 hours ago, Blaze69 said: Also character-wise, would Ko'Maru be willing to partake in that scene if the PC is female? And if so, how would he react? So far he's only shown interest in males, not females, at least that I know of (could have missed some small cue somewhere, but I don't think so). Not too sure about that. I might suggest a condition on the line that requires having read Mizuno's journal(which in-game doesn't seem to matter if you've gotten to a certain page, or just opened a book/note/etc and immediately close it), so at least you know(technically) about him otherwise. I think, for a female or futa/trans/etc character, I'll have an extra line that asks Mizuno if he thinks Ko'Maru would be interested in that case. The answer, would be a yes, for either possibility. Set it up like this for now. Spoiler PC – [PlayerReadMizunoJournal., InHallOfCountenance, Ko'MaruPresent] Would you...like to do something? | M – What do you...OH. | M – [PlayerIsMale] I am sure he will like you. | [PC] I hope so. M – [PlayerIsFuta] You will certainly provide a new experience for him. I think he will like it. | [PC] How can I argue with that? M – [PlayerIsFemale] You might be a little worried, but he has been with a girl before. | M – This exact combination might be new to him though. [smile]
Blaze69 Posted December 15, 2017 Author Posted December 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Kuroyami said: Not too sure about that. I might suggest a condition on the line that requires having read Mizuno's journal(which in-game doesn't seem to matter if you've gotten to a certain page, or just opened a book/note/etc and immediately close it), so at least you know(technically) about him otherwise. I think, for a female or futa/trans/etc character, I'll have an extra line that asks Mizuno if he thinks Ko'Maru would be interested in that case. The answer, would be a yes, for either possibility. Set it up like this for now. I have to revisit the way I set up those checks; so far I've used quest stages to signal actions (opening Mizuno's bag and seeing he has a journal, reading the journal itself, having him check out the character, etc.) but seems like activating a lower stage erases progress in higher ones, i.e. if you let Mizuno check you out (stage 30) and then read his journal (stage 20), stage 30 will be unchecked and you will go back to the dialogue where he asks to check you out. I don't check for the current quest stage but rather see if the specific stage I want has been done already or not, so I assumed it would be read as "Done" even if I got back to a lower stage. Only way around it at the moment is to first open his bag and read his journal and then go through the dialogue. I'll have to either use Global Variables for it (but that feels very "dirty" and non-optimal) or figure out whether I can use variables inside quest scripts or something like that. But anyway, once I have it all figured out, it should be possible, yes. Only complain I could have about that dialogue is that it feels a bit... too straight away, and at the same time, not clear at all. I mean, the pause and ideally the PC's expression and tone (even if we don't get to see that ingame) would give away the fact that they are suggesting something naughty, but Mizuno automatically knowing they want to have a threesome with Ko'Maru sounds a bit weird. If the possibility had been discussed before, it could be explained by him remembering about that prior conversation (that "oh" would be him remembering) and going straight to the deal, but going like that out of the blue would feel weird IMO.
WarsunGames Posted December 15, 2017 Posted December 15, 2017 I guess i`m starting page 50. I am really shook up about the Internet thing. I am hoping congress says no. We need no limitation on Internet. Can you imagine if banks have computers shut down due to internet signals being shut down. Preventing people from getting to their money? Where would you cash your check? All it takes is for them to say. They run this company. We will slow their connection if not shut it down completely. This is not about the internet just existing. This is about something going on top of the internet an monitoring your connection. Disabling areas an blocking content from getting access. Then saying For your security. I am sorry did i ask for security? Did i want the government spying on my connection. Putting bugs an spy plants in my home? Coming in to my home wearing Stealth suits breaking an entering? An don't think I blame Trump for this. He did get this guy Pai put in to this position. But his fake smile tells it all. he has absolutely no intention of doing anything but trying to get rich. An this is coming from a Democrat. A real Democrat.The kind of Democrat that knows when to vote republican due to the fake Democrats. Hey it worked! It didn't get blocked. Hopefully my account wont be banned.FP would be pretty upset.
Blaze69 Posted December 15, 2017 Author Posted December 15, 2017 38 minutes ago, WarsunGames said: I guess i`m starting page 50. I am really shook up about the Internet thing. I am hoping congress says no. We need no limitation on Internet. Can you imagine if banks have computers shut down due to internet signals being shut down. Preventing people from getting to their money? Where would you cash your check? All it takes is for them to say. They run this company. We will slow their connection if not shut it down completely. This is not about the internet just existing. This is about something going on top of the internet an monitoring your connection. Disabling areas an blocking content from getting access. Then saying For your security. I am sorry did i ask for security? Did i want the government spying on my connection. Putting bugs an spy plants in my home? Coming in to my home wearing Stealth suits breaking an entering? An don't think I blame Trump for this. He did get this guy Pai put in to this position. But his fake smile tells it all. he has absolutely no intention of doing anything but trying to get rich. An this is coming from a Democrat. A real Democrat.The kind of Democrat that knows when to vote republican due to the fake Democrats. Hey it worked! It didn't get blocked. Hopefully my account wont be banned.FP would be pretty upset. Huh, I guess you thought you were writing this in the Net Neutrality Thread or somewhere similar but ended up posting it here instead? The only part of that post that's relevant to this topic is the last sentence about linking to my mod from the Nexus, and that fact coupled with the double space between the text about NN and the actual line about this mod leads me to believe you pasted your reply to the other thread in this post by mistake or something like that. Just so you know.
Kuroyami Posted December 15, 2017 Posted December 15, 2017 5 hours ago, Blaze69 said: Only complain I could have about that dialogue is that it feels a bit... too straight away, and at the same time, not clear at all. I mean, the pause and ideally the PC's expression and tone (even if we don't get to see that ingame) would give away the fact that they are suggesting something naughty, but Mizuno automatically knowing they want to have a threesome with Ko'Maru sounds a bit weird. If the possibility had been discussed before, it could be explained by him remembering about that prior conversation (that "oh" would be him remembering) and going straight to the deal, but going like that out of the blue would feel weird IMO. Yeah, made it a little basic at this point, but I do plan to improve those lines Otherwise, I somewhat thought of the line Mizuno would have in the College Courtyard, asking to go see Ko'Maru. While perhaps what the PC hints at isn't exactly what he was intending, he is open to the suggestion. Likely it may be that you would have to make that line a high chance "greeting" if you speak to Mizuno in the Courtyard - as in he distinctly says that before any of his other lines as available, no matter if the PC has any response to that request or not. If you get that interaction, then it opens up the encounter with Mizuno and Ko'Maru. May make the PC's starting line a little less vague, if only so it is a little clearer what it leads to. Also, the idea of having something in the journal suggesting Mizuno's past experience with a threesome is interesting - for the Yiffy Age version, the intention is that the described scene starts with Loki and Mizuno, and eventually Ko'Maru gets involved. However, for the vanilla version, that would not be mentioned at all. So there is the idea of adding a new character, I'm thinking an Argonian, which is certainly a mage, but not one who is currently at the College by the time of the game's events - he is likely elsewhere in Skyrim. But for this character, the focus would be a bit more on him and Mizuno, and Ko'Maru is surprised when he enters the room, and this character quickly invites him to join. My thinking is that he was not hatched/born at all in Black Marsh - rather he grew up in Cyrodiil, living in a house on Lake Rumare, east of Chorrol. He lost his mother at an early age, and was raised by his older two siblings from that point on, a brother and a sister. So in his interaction with Mizuno, it begins with him having only a basic awareness of the Selachii, perhaps just the base fact of the races being allied, and any more he learns from Mizuno himself. In a similarity to the scene with Loki, he is curious about Mizuno, his interest being finding out some more...intimate details about Selachii. The obvious thing, is that I could write the scene with only a slight variation for YA/Vanilla, and include it in the YA version, along with Loki's scene.
Clockwork161 Posted December 16, 2017 Posted December 16, 2017 'Smee again! Another issue that I experienced, this time in regards to vampirism. It seems that if you contract the disease and wait long enough to actually become a vampire, it switches your race out to Nord Vampire with YA. It also causes a CTD when attempting to racemenu it back. I already use the compatibility mods for vampirism with custom races, so this confuses me. Edit: After doing some more research, it appears to be an issue with Dawnguard and how it handles vampirism. Turns out if you use showracemenu to change your race/look, it doesn't change your default race and thusly changes it when you become a vampire (Essentially, Selachii --> LykaosVampire). Sadly, I couldn't find a fix elsewhere, but someone had mentioned using player.setrace to fix it by setting your default race to Selachii. It would not accept the forms of Selachii, Selachiirace, Shark, or Sharkrace.
Blaze69 Posted December 16, 2017 Author Posted December 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Clockwork161 said: Edit: After doing some more research, it appears to be an issue with Dawnguard and how it handles vampirism. Turns out if you use showracemenu to change your race/look, it doesn't change your default race and thusly changes it when you become a vampire (Essentially, Selachii --> LykaosVampire). Sadly, I couldn't find a fix elsewhere, but someone had mentioned using player.setrace to fix it by setting your default race to Selachii. It would not accept the forms of Selachii, Selachiirace, Shark, or Sharkrace. Yeah, you should not change your race mid-game, it is bound to cause bugs like these. The Vampirism system doesn't exactly have the most solid and bug-proof scripts in the game, so you have to be careful with it. In order to make sure everything works as intended in a new game, you can create a quick Selachii character and select the Vampire start option in Alternate Start; then the race change script will be triggered a few seconds after you spawn wherever the game decides to drop you and you will know whether vampirism works or not. For the record, the race EditorIDs for use with the console are "aaaSharkRace" and "aaaSharkRaceVampire".
Kuroyami Posted December 17, 2017 Posted December 17, 2017 Some changes to Mizuno's journal. Spoiler I was in awe of it all, and even with seeing it the same way for the past few years, the emotion has not dulled. Perhaps a year or so of time is enough to keep the, magic of it, alive? A wonder that even knowing it is coming, knowing all about it, does not change anything – you eagerly await the chance to enjoy the celebration. Strains of this holiday had even made it into Selachii culture. Saturalia, or so it was called here in Skyrim, aspects of it were integrated into one of our own winter holidays, which I believe we inherited from the Akaviri. Little more than simple tradition of giving gifts, but like the celebration here, it had become something much more. Replaced the middle paragraph of entry 8. Revised the threesome dialog a bit. Spoiler PC – [PlayerReadMizunoJournal., InHallOfCountenance, Ko'MaruPresent] So, you and Ko'Maru have experience in...groups, right? | M – What do you...OH. | M – [PlayerIsMale] Yes, it certainly is not going to be the first time. | M – It will likely be less, abrupt, unlike how it was before. I am sure you know what I mean. | [PC] You sure he will be okay with this? M – [PlayerIsFuta] I believe he knows about our race, and from what I have told him, that it is possible for others too. | M – I think it will be a new experience for him, even so. | [PC] You sure he will be okay with this? M – [PlayerIsFemale] You might be a little worried, but he has been with a girl before. | M – This exact combination might be new to him though. [smile] | [PC] You sure he will be okay with this? [PC] (optional) What would it be like if you were not involved? | M – [playful] Aw, trying to get rid of me? Want my kitty all for yourself? | M – I am sure he would be fine. But I am not going anywhere. [laughing] I'm thinking maybe after the PC's last line("Are you sure.."), either you would have to ask Ko'Maru if he is interested(likely a very simple dialog at this point), and then the scene starts. Or it could just start, ideally you would be in Ko'Maru's room at the time - or at least on the second level of the Hall - in this case a simple "Yes" from Mizuno would work, then the scene starts. 1
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