Sexist/Derogatory Guards, NPCs and Player Comments

[Guest]

On 7/1/2018 at 7:37 AM, donttouchmethere said:

just installed S/DG v2.89 and got the knock over dialog right away with some spanky action!

how does S/DG recognize the bump of items? does everything count or do NPCs favour pottery?^^

There is actually a whole dialogue section built into Skyrim that handles knocking over things! I'm not sure there is any weighting based on value or how fragile an object may be so I think everything counts the same whether it is a priceless vase or just a bundle or sack cloth!

On 7/3/2018 at 12:52 AM, HexBolt8 said:

Thank you for this mod!  I've been using it a little while and it's adding a lot to my game.  It's so much more than just guard comments!  I love it.  Please keep up the good work on this.  I have a few comments and suggestions.  Hopefully a few might interest you.

 

For the 4th wall comments, if it's possible to set an alias of the player's choosing (through SKSE, or a global, INI file, or whatever) and use that as a text replacement in the dialogue, it would be pretty sweet if your follower addressed you by name:  "Well JimmyJimJim, I wonder what you're gonna have me do today?"  This could default to "sir" or "miss" if not set. 

 

"Min / Max Times in Seconds" in MCM default to 1 / 3 seconds (initial values if you do nothing).  Clicking the slider and selecting "default" does set them to the 600 / 1200 defaults described in the help text. 

 

The Guard Quest toggle has no MCM help text.

 

I LOVE the "timid" comments.  These really add a lot and fit my current character very well. 

 

Depending on the effort, a relationship check for bump and knock events might be good.  The first time I bumped into my lover (relationship rank 4) and was told "Out of my way, whore!", my reaction was "Day-um!  Who got up on the wrong side this morning?"

 

The "Nympho" category seems misnamed and at odds with the help text.  "Victim" might be better, since these only seem to trigger during rapes, not consensual sex.  The help text says it's for a character who "will find pleasure during a rape" and "see the sexy side".  Except for involuntary orgasm, I've only seen "Stop, let me go" comments, things an unwilling victim would say.  I'm not complaining at all.  This fits the characters I play, who might be a "nympho" with anyone who asks nicely, but don't like the rough stuff and definitely not rape.  If you plan to add "likes rape" remarks at some point, maybe that would fit better under Masochist?  Also, you might want a new category for consensual sex comments if you feel like expanding in that direction, since a gal might be a "nympho" but hate being roughed up or raped.  Anyway, except for the label I like how these "Nympho" comments work right now. 

 

Shouting "Fuck you" at your rapist is oddly inappropriate since, well, that's exactly what you're doing.  Some rape comments call on the Divines, which fits the lore, but "Oh God!" feels too contemporary.  The people of Skyrim rarely refer to one of the Divines as "God" (a god, yes, but not God).  Maybe replace those with "Oh gods!", "Oh no!", "It hurts!", "Someone save me!", etc.

 

As you already acknowledged on the mod page, whore, slut, and bitch are way overused.  Every single knock-over remark uses one of those 3 words, and it's more like abuse than sexism.  Something more creative would be fun:

 

Watch it!  If you want to browse the wares, get a man to help you.  [shops and stores]

 

Hey!  Who let a woman in here without a male escort?

 

Running around without a man to watch after you?  Silly girl, what were you thinking???

 

You know you'll keep doing stupid things like this until you have a man to watch over you. 

 

Knock something over with those breasts again and I'll find another use for them.

 

The boys who play around here are less clumsy, and they're 5!  I guess men are just better at handling things. 

 

Daydreaming about your boyfriend too much to watch where you're going?  

 

Got the jitters there hon?  Not enough sex?  Maybe you need a man to fill you.

 

Hands shaking?  Need sex that bad?  Go play with yourself somewhere and come back when you can focus!

 

Well I guess it's not really your fault, you just lack a man's common sense. 

Glad your enjoying the mod

 

I shall be spending some time tweaking some comments etc. Your suggestions are excellent and I shall be using some of them

 

I have looked into getting your character to use your real name, but there is no way to replace text in dialogues  . There are some dialogues which already use "Master/Mistress" depending on your choice in the MCM. The only time you can replace text is in letters/books.

On 7/3/2018 at 1:25 AM, HexBolt8 said:

I forgot to ask, are there any plans for that book that I saw when I was poking around in the esp file?

Oooh, it's been a while since I looked at this mod....I'll have to refresh my memory of which book you are talking about....but probably, yes! 

On 7/4/2018 at 9:28 AM, Inajira said:

Is the mod compatible with Enderal? I last tried it some time ago in Skyrim and I'd like to give it another go. Looks like it's been improved since then.

I'm not familiar with the Enderal mod but it should be as this mod only adds extra dialogue to various situations.

[Inajira]

2 hours ago, JimmyJimJim said:

There is actually a whole dialogue section built into Skyrim that handles knocking over things! I'm not sure there is any weighting based on value or how fragile an object may be so I think everything counts the same whether it is a priceless vase or just a bundle or sack cloth!

Glad your enjoying the mod

 

I shall be spending some time tweaking some comments etc. Your suggestions are excellent and I shall be using some of them

 

I have looked into getting your character to use your real name, but there is no way to replace text in dialogues  . There are some dialogues which already use "Master/Mistress" depending on your choice in the MCM. The only time you can replace text is in letters/books.

Oooh, it's been a while since I looked at this mod....I'll have to refresh my memory of which book you are talking about....but probably, yes! 

I'm not familiar with the Enderal mod but it should be as this mod only adds extra dialogue to various situations.

Great thanks, I'll give it a shot then.

[Bullfrog]

Hey JJJ, I've been using your mod for quite a while but I've been wondering if it would be possible to extend the framework to spouses as to create abusive spouses who insult/drink/steal money from your character?

[tuxagent7]

31 minutes ago, Bullfrog said:

Hey JJJ, I've been using your mod for quite a while but I've been wondering if it would be possible to extend the framework to spouses as to create abusive spouses who insult/drink/steal money from your character? 

i like that idea !

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Inajira said:

Great thanks, I'll give it a shot then.

Let me know how you get on

58 minutes ago, Bullfrog said:

Hey JJJ, I've been using your mod for quite a while but I've been wondering if it would be possible to extend the framework to spouses as to create abusive spouses who insult/drink/steal money from your character?

oooh...yes, this is one area that hasn't been covered at all. I can see me adding all the traits to build your own spouse personality...then I suppose it would only be logical to let you define follower personalities too...

[Bullfrog]

21 minutes ago, JimmyJimJim said:

Let me know how you get on

oooh...yes, this is one area that hasn't been covered at all. I can see me adding all the traits to build your own spouse personality...then I suppose it would only be logical to let you define follower personalities too...

Thanks, I like roleplaying as a level 1 or 2 female characters, with the Radiant Prostitution mod, working long hours in the tavern to buy food and drinks for the Needs mod only for my drunk orc husband to take it all to buy ale while I try my luck in a dungeon with a dagger cuz I cant afford shit. ?

[Hex Bolt]

Is there spanking after knocking things over?  I intentionally knocked a bunch of stuff over when I first installed the mod, but all I got was rude comments. 

[Inajira]

On 7/8/2018 at 8:53 PM, Bullfrog said:

Thanks, I like roleplaying as a level 1 or 2 female characters, with the Radiant Prostitution mod, working long hours in the tavern to buy food and drinks for the Needs mod only for my drunk orc husband to take it all to buy ale while I try my luck in a dungeon with a dagger cuz I cant afford shit. ?

 

On 7/8/2018 at 8:28 PM, JimmyJimJim said:

Let me know how you get on

oooh...yes, this is one area that hasn't been covered at all. I can see me adding all the traits to build your own spouse personality...then I suppose it would only be logical to let you define follower personalities too...

I gave it a quick try in Enderal and it worked fine. Thanks

[Nazzzgul666]

I think i've already seen it here as suggested or even did it myself, but i can't find it right now and possibly mixed it up with another thread. There are some animations that would add a lot to the "sexist guards" stuff: 

Especially a guards search animation. You might also check his other stuff on the nexus, i've never seen them in my own game but the videos look great.

[Reesewow]

6 hours ago, Nazzzgul666 said:

I think i've already seen it here as suggested or even did it myself, but i can't find it right now and possibly mixed it up with another thread. There are some animations that would add a lot to the "sexist guards" stuff: 

 

Yep, RohZima's Guard Search animation is practically built for this mod - even includes blatant cavity searching.  It probably wouldn't be difficult to call the animation directly by name, and even keep the guard clothed during the animation (no need for the guard to get naked since there is no penetration in that animation).  Would only require that users have RohZima's SLAL pack installed.

[Nazzzgul666]

Rohzima also might just give permission to include it in this mod - something i wouldn't suggest too often because (i think) it means double count for FNIS if you have the package anyways, but it's not too much and would probably make it easier to use your own stripping options and definitly make the trigger faster than with SL in the middle. I think in this case it would fit. He also has some "girl in bar" animations in this pack, and some animated poses on the nexus that might fit if Jimmy plans to do something in this direction.

And some of the poses/animations might add (alternatives) to the guard search. If you bend over because you're a maid cleaning, working out or are ordered to do it by a guard is rather a question of story telling than about the animation itself i think.  

[Guest]

On 7/10/2018 at 10:07 AM, Nazzzgul666 said:

I think i've already seen it here as suggested or even did it myself, but i can't find it right now and possibly mixed it up with another thread. There are some animations that would add a lot to the "sexist guards" stuff: 

Especially a guards search animation. You might also check his other stuff on the nexus, i've never seen them in my own game but the videos look great.

OOoooh....a sexlab guard search animation. That's definitely going in! Been a while since I checked out the Sexlab API but I can't remember seeing an option to not strip actors. I'll check any way.

 

I will also have an update ready shortly which will include the start of the spouses trait system. It will be loosely based on the current trait system but if there are any other traits you might like to see in a spouse then let me know

[Reesewow]

Just now, JimmyJimJim said:

Been a while since I checked out the Sexlab API but I can't remember seeing an option to not strip actors. I'll check any way.

While I don't know the specifics, it is definitely possible to have one or both actors not be stripped in Sexlab scenes.  Amourous Adventures for instance uses Sexlab for kissing scenes without stripping actors, and a few other scene building mods like Scent of Sex allow users to specify actors that should not be stripped in a scene.

[shencereys]

Hello!

 

I think this mod very fun and very much recommend.

 

Is there any plan to make this work for male NPC?  Is great now and is ok if not.  But just want to tell my interest in male pc option!

[Hex Bolt]

Still enjoying the mod, but the NPC comments could really benefit from having a frequency setting, like the player comments do.  Entering a tavern, it's a stream of one comment after another.  It's distracting when they appear that frequently, and it gets repetitive because I see them all so often.  I like the comments, I don't want to turn them off, but they're wearing out their welcome coming at me so fast.  Please consider adding a way to space them out. 

 

Also, a minor thing, but it looks like an oversight with the "You might want to wipe your face" comments.  The conditions are checking for zero oral stacks, so they trigger when they shouldn't and don't trigger when they should. 

[Kurisu_Senpai]

4 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

Still enjoying the mod, but the NPC comments could really benefit from having a frequency setting, like the player comments do.  Entering a tavern, it's a stream of one comment after another.  It's distracting when they appear that frequently, and it gets repetitive because I see them all so often.  I like the comments, I don't want to turn them off, but they're wearing out their welcome coming at me so fast.  Please consider adding a way to space them out. 

 

Also, a minor thing, but it looks like an oversight with the "You might want to wipe your face" comments.  The conditions are checking for zero oral stacks, so they trigger when they shouldn't and don't trigger when they should. 

 

So fucking true. Everything.

 

[knocking]

I love this mod, but is there anything that would cause it to stop working entirely? Without changing my mods at all (and not using that prayer mod), there's a save file where Sexist Guards breaks entirely and there is no dialogue at all. No Player Dialogue, no NPC dialogue, nothing. 

[PubliusNV]

Kudos to the author for continuing to improve this mod.  Long ago, when the 4th wall comments were added I turned them off after a short time because they were firing at inappropriate times (too frequently, for one) and were not all that good.  I recently installed the latest version of the mod, and wow has there been an improvement!  Now I think the 4th wall comments are the best part of the mod!  Thanks!

[cxsora]

I hope arousal based comments can rejoin in. And some comment can not only spoken by guards.

[Ygre77]

Erm.. Hello. Has anyone else a problem like "Player subtitles do not appear at all with Fuz Ro D-oh on and general subtitles off"?

 

Need a solution.

[Ygre77]

3 hours ago, Ygre77 said:

Erm.. Hello. Has anyone else a problem like "Player subtitles do not appear at all with Fuz Ro D-oh on and general subtitles off"?

 

Need a solution.

Solution found... Only by starting the game anew.

[Reesewow]

7 hours ago, Ygre77 said:

Solution found... Only by starting the game anew.

Other option you could try is uninstall the mod, clean your save, and reinstall it.  It sounds like something broke in your current game relating to how the player dialogue works.

[abelincoln]

Thanks for this awesome mod! Very easy to use.

I was wondering if there is any way to integrate this with Beeing Female?

[COLOCO]

3 minutes ago, abelincoln said:

Thanks for this awesome mod! Very easy to use.

I was wondering if there is any way to integrate this with Beeing Female?

+1

[aspirine2]

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