Fallout 4 Popularity & Loverslab

[Arcturus7777]

Didn't happen with NewVegas and Skyrim to any significant degree, by the time we get a sex framework happening and stable in 12 months time no one will care about an old game like FO4

 

I thought the scripts were mostly the same for fallout 4 as skyrim.  Shouldn't that speed up the process and maybe make it possible to convert the skyrim framework to fallout 4?

[gregathit]

Yes and no.  Often it is the whoa.....why the fuck did they throw this in.....that complicates the unholy shit out of things.  Understand, it will be months before there is a sex framework.  No way around it.  And that is just the basics.  It will take even more time to create the animations to make it worth while.  I'd say you are looking at a year to have SexTec in alpha or beta form, just as Hal stated.  Remember, each time that a DLC comes out, Beth tends to break the unholy shit out of mods by changing code.  So that won't help much either.  

[Arcturus7777]

My plan is working, i did a partial play thru and then Switched back to skyrim and FNV.  So i will not be bored when more content arrives, and i will not have to pay as much for the DLC's

[sophiextime]

Everyone that plays Skyrim has a mod in it of some kind and i would safely guess a huge majority have adult mods. Even if they are fairly tame adult mods.

 

I would also guess a big portion of sales of skyrim was from those who wanted a adult modded game.

 

So i doubt that Bethesda will make a fuss over adult mods that start arriving over the next few months and then later when the equivalent to sexlab appears. 

If the game can show even in its vanilla form stories of death and murder and torture to innocent people, settlers, even families and children and make reference to it in holo-tapes and side quests, it will be a tough call for them to complain about a handful or bandits chasing down a person to try to force sex on them or enslave them for sexual use.

Once that finger gets pointed i think a handful ( excuse the pun) will get pointed back.

 

A few times already i have come across little side stories that kind of shocked me and hit an emotional nerve about some vicitms harsh death or struggle to survive and failing.

[DigitalP]

Hmm interesting topic. Personally I think anything related to sexual violence and beastality is done in very poor taste and the people who make such mods should have a long hard look at themselves. 

 

That all being said there is some really fucked up shit on display in Fallout 4. Torture dens, bodies on display, implied sexual violence and cannibalism. I'm actually surprised it got past my countries censors. 

 

Nude mods yeah sure why not. 

 

Consensual BDSM/animations/mods yeah sure why not. 

 

Consexual sex mods yeah sure why not. 

 

Ultra sexy attire yeah sure why not. 

 

Any mods that feature rape, beastality, peadaphilia I think that crosses the line. 

 

 

[Guest Mogie56]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, that said I believe Bethesda knows very well who their audience is and what it is comprised of. Why on earth make a DLC that adds the abilty to build cages and trap not only beasts but humans as well with no regard as to what it could also be used for besides "taxidermy" really?.

cages were made available in Skyrim but in a very limited way without a mod to go along with it.

 

why would anyone have an account here at LL if one has such strong negative feelings about much of it's content. if you don't like the content don't use it, just pass it by but it is not up to you to judge others for the content they use or make, that's not your call. maybe you should have a long hard look at yourself.

[Saeros]

this discussion is as old as time..

 

kill, slay, and blow up people in the game is.. OK! good job man!!!

make love, sex and other lover things.. OH NO! It's a shameful thing!

 

bah...

 

S.

[Halstrom]

Hmm interesting topic. Personally I think anything related to sexual violence and beastality is done in very poor taste and the people who make such mods should have a long hard look at themselves. 

 

That all being said there is some really fucked up shit on display in Fallout 4. Torture dens, bodies on display, implied sexual violence and cannibalism. I'm actually surprised it got past my countries censors. 

 

Nude mods yeah sure why not. 

 

Consensual BDSM/animations/mods yeah sure why not. 

 

Consexual sex mods yeah sure why not. 

 

Ultra sexy attire yeah sure why not. 

 

Any mods that feature rape, beastality, peadaphilia I think that crosses the line.

Well even if we like rape & bestiality Paedophilia is definite line for a majority here, most of us put blocking in where applicable so as to make it harder for our mods to be used in that way. I offer no pregnancy support for immature Geckos

[DocClox]

But you gave the example of Bethesda taking down LL, not another country. That's the point here right? That they ask Bethesda to take it down and they appeal to whatever and do whatever the process is to shut down a site and they then shut down a site. As far as I'm aware Bethesda is an American company. And if they can't take down a site like ISIS or Al-Qaeda because of their right to freedom of speech, what makes you think they'll go after a humble site like ours?

If I had that agenda, I'd probably put pressure on Beth to use the rights given to them under the new EULAs to hit LL with a DMCA takedown request every time someone uploaded a sexmod. Probably questionable legality, but with corporate lawyers and judge sympathetic to the cause it could probably be made to stick. Wouldn't help with existing games, but they might be able to ensure that no new games got the LL treatment.

[DixiePig]

 

But you gave the example of Bethesda taking down LL, not another country. That's the point here right? That they ask Bethesda to take it down and they appeal to whatever and do whatever the process is to shut down a site and they then shut down a site. As far as I'm aware Bethesda is an American company. And if they can't take down a site like ISIS or Al-Qaeda because of their right to freedom of speech, what makes you think they'll go after a humble site like ours?

 

And do you think that external and foreign governments will waste their time on such trivial matters like 'Someone made a sex mod' when there are literally hundreds of sites dedicated to sexual pornography and rape albeit fake, enacted rape. But then, SL rape is fake, enacted rape. In fact, not even fake enacted rape because SL rape doesn't have any real people involved. Little Johnny can just as easily stumble across any of these zoophilia or rape sites just by simply being on the internet.[/size]

 

We are at a state of extremely high tension, with North Korea firing rockets into the sky, Russia buzzing warships, The European Migrant Crisis and the ongoing war in the Middle-East. Nobody is going to stop all this tension simply to deal with some sex site.[/size]

 

There's also the point of the fact that most, if not ALL mods on LL have warnings on them and require a bit of leg work. There are explicit warnings, frameworks to apply, MCM, SkyUI, FNIS all of that to do (Being a Skyrim scenario, assuming the FO4 scenario is similar). Then there's the actual work of finding a creature and applying this sexual effect or talking to it or whatever the mod requires you to do to engage in this sexual activity. If you find your kid on Fallout 4 fucking a Deathclaw, I'm sorry but he didn't just come across it, he knew exactly what he was doing. And should push come to shove, it's very simple to point that out. [/size]

 

That is, if the game even has an in-built or downloadable Script Extender for Console. How exactly could one register new animations without the help of a third-party program like FNIS or AF4? Well, they better have an in-built or downloadable register then, too.[/size]

 

Besides, I doubt that this site will even get that much media attention. Sexual modding has been around since Tomb Raider I and it's not going anywhere with a little bit of parent-pushing.[/size]

 

Also I'm not using this size to be aggressive, I read your signature and thought I'd help you out a little with a larger font. [/size]

Well actually I was referring to any organisation not just the US government or Beth, it could be any illuminati / anonymous type group that got their panties in a twist, there are stupidly rich fickle people and groups out there who could if they wanted to just buy Beth, LL's Host, or even a modders employer and just shut it down or implement new policies, you just got to piss them off the right way, some of them are bored with too much money and just looking for their next target.

Imagine if the "evidence" was escalated to something like kiddie/deathclaw rape porn then plastered all over Facebook "Fallout 4 game setup for baby rape!" or sent to Christianity groups, even if they could not do anything, unwanted attention is still unwanted, Nutters aren't beyond lying to get what they want. I personally prefer not to have myself cyber stalked by some looney do-gooder thank you.

 

And I need to fix my sig, I use zoom software now that solves most of the problems

 

 

Could LoversLab continue to exist if Bethesda decided that it shouldn't? Their lawyers aren't afraid to show their teeth over copyright matters: they went after Mojang for making a game called "Scrolls".

Come to think of it, does LoversLab have the consent of Bethesda? I imagine they've said nothing about it but I'd like to know.

 

After Oblivion was released and on shelves, the ESRB changed the rating because of nude mods, which caused a Bethesda to issue a costly product recall. Totally the ESRB's fault, of course, but I think Bethesda doesn't want that to happen again. My pet conspiracy theory is that the animation system in Skyrim was made deliberately obtuse to prevent animation mods from being created too soon out of the gate.

[DoctaSax]

Could LoversLab continue to exist if Bethesda decided that it shouldn't? Their lawyers aren't afraid to show their teeth over copyright matters: they went after Mojang for making a game called "Scrolls".

Beth has no more reason to attack us over copyright issues than it has the Nexus.

 

Come to think of it, does LoversLab have the consent of Bethesda?

I don't think any modding site has Beth's consent to host mods for Beth games.

 

After Oblivion was released and on shelves, the ESRB changed the rating because of nude mods, which caused a Bethesda to issue a costly product recall. Totally the ESRB's fault, of course, but I think Bethesda doesn't want that to happen again. My pet conspiracy theory is that the animation system in Skyrim was made deliberately obtuse to prevent animation mods from being created too soon out of the gate.

No, there was something in official Oblivion that could be unlocked to allow people to play topless, which is why that happened. It wasn't over nude mods.

[windu190]

The reason Bethesda went after Mojang is because they tried to trademark the word 'Scrolls". LL isn't trademarking anything. 

[Nyameria]

hum. you are talking about problems like femenism?

who are like: "look at this bad game skirim! women running around in half naked armos. totaly sexualized!"

*just showing moding videos with cbee and catwalk + skimpy armor mods instead of the animations and armors or bodies of the actual game* -.-

[Guest endgameaddiction]

hum. you are talking about problems like femenism?

who are like: "look at this bad game skirim! women running around in half naked armos. totaly sexualized!"

*just showing moding videos with cbee and catwalk + skimpy armor mods instead of the animations and armors or bodies of the actual game* -.-

 

We've already had feminazi's trying to give us a bad name. But most people just laugh at them like Anita Sarkeesian. She's nothing but a walking joke.

LL doesn't worry about people like them. We just find them amusing trying to spread their morale and tell us what we should and shouldn't do.

[panthercom]

 Doctor: I'm sorry sir, that pain you've been experiencing is do to a malignant sarkeesian.

If you just ignore it, it may go away...

[windu190]

This page is hilarious:

http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/LoversLab

 

"Much content celebrates male supremacy and rape culture, whilst popular extreme content covers situations such as, but not limited to; violent rape and sexual assault; forced pregnancy; bestiality; sexual slavery and forced prostitution."

Of course noone gives a damn about the fact that at the same time, games also glorify murder, war, torture, genocide and many other horrible practices. No one ever complains about those things, in fact, in games it's considered to be very cool. Luckily everyone with more than 2 brain cells remembers the most important thing of all: It's not real. 

[Guest Mogie56]

^^^^^^^^ Exactly

[srayesmanll]

This page is hilarious:

http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/LoversLab

 

"Much content celebrates male supremacy and rape culture, whilst popular extreme content covers situations such as, but not limited to; violent rape and sexual assault; forced pregnancy; bestiality; sexual slavery and forced prostitution."

 

Of course noone gives a damn about the fact that at the same time, games also glorify murder, war, torture, genocide and many other horrible practices. No one ever complains about those things, in fact, in games it's considered to be very cool. Luckily everyone with more than 2 brain cells remembers the most important thing of all: It's not real. 

 

"Of course noone gives a damn about the fact that at the same time, games also glorify murder, war, torture, genocide and many other horrible practices. No one ever complains about those things, in fact, in games it's considered to be very cool. " They leave that to the regular anti-gaming crowds (same ones declaring D&D as the work of the devil back in the 70's).

 

My response to the "facts" in that link is pretty much - Yeah...And???

 

Funny thing is, there is no one stopping anyone from playing a FEMALE character that goes around raping MALE characters, is there  ?  What's their response to THAT?  In fact, time to make a new femdom character...

 

 

And we should probably be careful with further discussions in this topic that we don't veer too close to rule 8 (politics/religion).  Not saying we're there, but the event horizon can be seen...

[Adorkable]

This page is hilarious:

http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/LoversLab

 

"Much content celebrates male supremacy and rape culture, whilst popular extreme content covers situations such as, but not limited to; violent rape and sexual assault; forced pregnancy; bestiality; sexual slavery and forced prostitution."

 

Of course noone gives a damn about the fact that at the same time, games also glorify murder, war, torture, genocide and many other horrible practices. No one ever complains about those things, in fact, in games it's considered to be very cool. Luckily everyone with more than 2 brain cells remembers the most important thing of all: It's not real. 

 

Except a lot of people give a heck of a damn that games glorify violence. And when they voice it, they get hassled or harrassed outright. (That particular site doesn't concern itself with violence because, you know, it's not their area.)

 

That said, while I don't entirely agree with the analysis they posted (since they seem to not care or not acknowledge that one can enjoy extreme content while still possessing an awareness of its problematic aspects), you can't deny that this community contains some very concerning statements - hell, just look through this thread.

 

'Feminazis!1!!'

'Anita Sarkeesian is the devuuul!!1!'

 

Or any other thread, really. Misogyny is not a rare occurrence in this community, so while I would love to believe that the people here are capable of creating and viewing extreme content without letting it influence them, some statements lead me to doubt that. There's a certain measure of awareness required for the 'it's not real' argument to hold any importance and I think it's important to remember that many (not all, obviously) do not actually have that.

[Guest endgameaddiction]

Some people are delusional. But everyone's entitled to think, breathe, fart, shit, swim, sleep and eat how they want.

[DoctaSax]

Paranoia is not a rare occurrence in this community either, and when that inconsequential page about us is brought up it bleeds over into anti-feminism. Sadly. Imo, all that angst is really "not LL". It just goes against the spirit of the whole thing.

 

What is LL is that we like a bit of sex in our games, and we don't mind putting it in there ourselves if no one's providing it. That's who we are. Now, I could take a little offense at the whole place being narrowed down to just the rape content, as if there isn't any other, or the fact you'll see just as much rape in TV series as in our dirty little mods. Things that are really easy to point out in our defense, if we had to defend ourselves. But we don't.

 

We don't need to say it's not real, we don't need to say violence is worse than sex, we don't need to say we have less extreme mods - we simply don't need to make excuses for ourselves. Let's just enjoy what we have while we have it.

[Guest endgameaddiction]

It doesn't matter what people's anti-opinions are about LL. It's been here for a long time and will always be here so long as it's not breaking any laws.

 

If Bethesda wants to all Bethesda related mods for their games striped from LL, they probably can, but it's not going to shut down LL. Frankly I doubt they would go that far, but then again, after last year in April, I find them to be unpredictable and untrustworthy.

 

LL usually has around 900-1.4k active members. The numbers significantly go up to 1.5 or drops but those are the numbs from min to max I normally see when the community is active. I don't think Bethesda wants to lose fans. Losing fans is losing money and 1k fans is a very large profit.

[Adorkable]

Ultimately, I think 1k people is not a very significant number for Bethesda. 1k people in the grand scheme of things? That's nothing.

 

So while I don't think it would hurt Bethesda to lose 1k fans (especially since many people here would still buy their games even without the sex content provided by LL), the rather low number is also why the chance of them shutting down anything is slim to none. I mean, 1k people who use and actively discuss sex mods for their games - that's such a small group, shutting them down wouldn't be worth the hassle.

 

Especially when no one is breaking the law.

[Guest endgameaddiction]

It doesn't hurt Bethesda, 60k if the 1k people bought it for 60USD isn't a very large amount in comparison to the millions they make, but it's profit. There are far more registered members here on LL, I was only using the active members as an example. But piss off the whole community, or even Nexus, and that number is much higher.

 

If I'm not mistaken, we here at Loverslab nearly had 1 million registered members. The only thing is, is that you can create multiple accounts. So that number is not precise to be exact.

[DixiePig]

 

 

Or any other thread, really. Misogyny is not a rare occurrence in this community, so while I would love to believe that the people here are capable of creating and viewing extreme content without letting it influence them, some statements lead me to doubt that. There's a certain measure of awareness required for the 'it's not real' argument to hold any importance and I think it's important to remember that many (not all, obviously) do not actually have that.

 

 

Man, I would love to have a reasoned and introspective discussion about this. Not sure if that's possible, but it would be great. As someone who's values are aligned with Feminism and Consent Culture, I find it frustrating that LoversLab is dismissed on prejudiced or aesthetic grounds masquerading as progressive concerns.

 

Because LoversLab is absolutely compatible with the vision of equality among genders, and the elimination of the tacit acceptance of rape in our cultures.

 

I would even argue that it should exist and needs to exist, especially on those terms.