spoonsinger Posted May 6, 2016 Posted May 6, 2016 You have made a good point.(actually did think that - but... you know keyboards/fingers/etc). Anyway to the question in hand of "I have a bad feeling that once a FO4 sexlab mod is released. it will gain some news coverage/article's. & everybody will attack loverslab/modder's in question" No. Nobody gives a fuck about this game.
Guest Posted May 6, 2016 Posted May 6, 2016 ... No. Nobody gives a fuck about this game. So, I have to stop developing SexTec? Damn. I thought it was an interesting mod/framework for this game. OK, my life is ruined. I need to find another game to mod...
spoonsinger Posted May 6, 2016 Posted May 6, 2016 ... No. Nobody gives a fuck about this game. So, I have to stop developing SexTec? Damn. I thought it was an interesting mod/framework for this game. OK, my life is ruined. I need to find another game to mod... Good god No!!!!. That wasn't a you-nobody, it was a general them-nobody. Maybe I should have rephrased the distinction.(i.e. why the hell would the media or the 'them' pick on FO4 a year down the line when something comes out which might be a bit proper adult, when Skyrim/FO:NV/FO3/Oblivion at that - and this - point have way way more contentious material?)
Guest Posted May 6, 2016 Posted May 6, 2016 Good god No!!!!. That wasn't a you-nobody, it was a general them-nobody. Maybe I should have rephrased the distinction.(i.e. why the hell would the media or the 'them' pick on FO4 a year down the line when something comes out which might be a bit proper adult, when Skyrim/FO:NV/FO3/Oblivion at that - and this - point have way way more contentious material?) I was just kidding. And I completely agree on: media (press, internet, TV, radio) don't give a dime to this game, if not when they are payed. For sure there will be some grasshopper journalist that will say: scandalous! Look what they did. As they did for pretty much all possible games I remember. So, will LoversLab get more attention? If we do (and we will do) a framework to support sexual activities for the game, then yes, we will receive more visitors and links. Will this make impossible the life of this site. Nope.
spoonsinger Posted May 6, 2016 Posted May 6, 2016 Good god No!!!!. That wasn't a you-nobody, it was a general them-nobody. Maybe I should have rephrased the distinction.(i.e. why the hell would the media or the 'them' pick on FO4 a year down the line when something comes out which might be a bit proper adult, when Skyrim/FO:NV/FO3/Oblivion at that - and this - point have way way more contentious material?) I was just kidding. And I completely agree on: media (press, internet, TV, radio) don't give a dime to this game, if not when they are payed. For sure there will be some grasshopper journalist that will say: scandalous! Look what they did. As they did for pretty much all possible games I remember. So, will LoversLab get more attention? If we do (and we will do) a framework to support sexual activities for the game, then yes, we will receive more visitors and links. Will this make impossible the life of this site. Nope. Actually if you called the mod 'FO4fluffybunnies' rather than 'SexTec', it would look somewhat stupid in any media articles. First law of not drawing attention to yourself is to not draw attention to yourself.
windu190 Posted May 6, 2016 Posted May 6, 2016 ... No. Nobody gives a fuck about this game. So, I have to stop developing SexTec? Damn. I thought it was an interesting mod/framework for this game. OK, my life is ruined. I need to find another game to mod...
Guest Posted May 6, 2016 Posted May 6, 2016 Actually if you called the mod 'FO4fluffybunnies' rather than 'SexTec', it would look somewhat stupid in any media articles. First law of not drawing attention to yourself is to not draw attention to yourself. Second law of not drawing attention to yourself is to make inappropriate to make attention to yourself. I will rename the mod to: IAmANotGoodAtSexJournalist.
spoonsinger Posted May 6, 2016 Posted May 6, 2016 Actually if you called the mod 'FO4fluffybunnies' rather than 'SexTec', it would look somewhat stupid in any media articles. First law of not drawing attention to yourself is to not draw attention to yourself. Second law of not drawing attention to yourself is to make inappropriate to make attention to yourself. I will rename the mod to: IAmANotGoodAtSexJournalist. Third law is obviously what's in the fridge probably doesn't go with this sabcav. (This is going off topic). Anyway, I suspect, and will give a person who disagrees a , that there will be no media storm in my current local over the sexplotation, (fairly sure thats a word), of FO4 in the next five months.
Ernest Lemmingway Posted May 7, 2016 Posted May 7, 2016 The whole issue is laughable when we think about it. People once decried dime novels as "corrupting youth" and "encouraging violence." Then they moved on to comic books, movies, TV, and now video games. Every time someone points a finger, three others are pointing right back at the real problem. Sheeple don't want to take responsibility for their own failures to watch and educate their own children. Too many of them don't want to put in the effort. Others don't realize they have to do such. Every time I see or hear the same people decrying sites like Lovers Lab or adult material in general, I have to struggle not to burst out laughing because of how ridiculous it all is. There you go, demeaning sheep by comparing them to people I know, the sheep never did anything to deserve that. So long as certain things are barred altogether (mostly lolicon, which is already illegal under the AMBER Laws) then no one with power will give a damn. There will always be people with Chronic Butthurt Syndrome (I love that term) trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. And there's already something a lot bigger going on in America that has those same people up in arms.
srayesmanll Posted May 7, 2016 Posted May 7, 2016 chronic stick-up-the-ass syndrome. I prefer to call it by its other name: Chronic Butthurt Syndrome, or CBS. People suffering from it must heed the warning signs: butthurt2.jpg Then they should fill out the proper forms: butthurt4.jpg Then we can send them to the appropriate doctor: diagnostic-house-meme-generator-it-s-just-as-i-suspected-butthurt-d1ee7f.jpg Of course, my opinion about them is: image.jpg (Yes I've had these downloaded for a while and never got to use them. Thanks for the lead-in .) ...Chronic Butthurt Syndrome (I love that term) ... Got a few more... More warnings signs of CBS Trying to find the source... OK, a little sympathy... Frankly I change the tag-line to say "take 2 of there an shove them up your ass", but that's just me...
Guest Posted May 7, 2016 Posted May 7, 2016 I will use your "Butthurt report form" in my real life job...
Jeoshua Posted May 7, 2016 Posted May 7, 2016 I gotta say (first post, btw), that Google has been very generous for giving me results for nearly anything Fallout related. Maybe Google is just giving me what it knows about me, or maybe it knows all about you and realizes that half the people here know more than all the rest of the Fallout modding universe... but yeah. The second one digitized penis goes into a physics enabled vagina anywhere near this engine, I fear Google will connect the dots for them. Other than that, I guess my lips are sealed. I have long heard this site referred to as "The site that shall not be named"
Guest Posted May 7, 2016 Posted May 7, 2016 I gotta say (first post, btw), that Google has been very generous for giving me results for nearly anything Fallout related. Maybe Google is just giving me what it knows about me, or maybe it knows all about you and realizes that half the people here know more than all the rest of the Fallout modding universe... but yeah. The second one digitized penis goes into a physics enabled vagina anywhere near this engine, I fear Google will connect the dots for them. Other than that, I guess my lips are sealed. I have long heard this site referred to as "The site that shall not be named" Welcome to this "site". First, we are a modding community. We discover stuff, we make thing happen, we do mods, we support modders, we support people using mods. "Cannot be named", really? Why? For sure we offer adult contents, some really specific themed content. But we are not the "Bad Stuff" not at all. We just respect all point of views, often elated to sexuality. With little restrictions (check the "Rules") And congrats for your first post.
DocClox Posted May 7, 2016 Posted May 7, 2016 Actually if you called the mod 'FO4fluffybunnies' rather than 'SexTec', it would look somewhat stupid in any media articles. First law of not drawing attention to yourself is to not draw attention to yourself. This so-called "mod" is named "fluffy bunnies" in a clear attempt to appeal to young children, but it is packed full of FILTH and DEPRAVITY! This Evil must be excised! Won't somebody PLEASE think of the children? Me, I'd stick with SexTech
Guest Posted May 7, 2016 Posted May 7, 2016 ... Not relevant post for the theme of this thread. Removed. Again, be sure to stay on topic. If you want to discuss something else, open your own thread.
DexesTTP Posted May 7, 2016 Posted May 7, 2016 I gotta say (first post, btw), that Google has been very generous for giving me results for nearly anything Fallout related. Maybe Google is just giving me what it knows about me, or maybe it knows all about you and realizes that half the people here know more than all the rest of the Fallout modding universe... but yeah. The second one digitized penis goes into a physics enabled vagina anywhere near this engine, I fear Google will connect the dots for them. Other than that, I guess my lips are sealed. I have long heard this site referred to as "The site that shall not be named" Actually, it makes sense. The people on this site are pretty mature compared to the other modding-oriented gaming forums, and that's probably due to the nature of the mods here. For the record, it's something I've kind of always found out about "adult" communities (read sex-related) and somewhat always found funny. About the "shall not be named" stuff, it's mostly because Bethesda and up to a certain point Nexus don't allow explicit mentions to this site, by blacklisting all links to here and disapproving/censoring the use of the name - and they should IMO, as their sites are PG-16 and shouldn't redirect here. So, most people use this name to refer to LL without linking/giving hints of the site name to "younger" people. ================= Now, back to the subject. I don't feel like LL is threatened by the popularity of FO4 more than it has been by the one of Skyrim. The first reason is actually this chart. FO4 isn't nearly as popular as Skyrim was, so if LL survived Skyrim (and it did) I'm sure it can survive FO4. The second reason is that the "worst" is already out there, and I'm speaking of CBBE. Weirdly, nude women are kind of the worst thing in video games these days, and the people that are offended at that are already speaking out about it... and we don't hear much. Just to remind people, CBBE was out not two months after FO4 came out, and it kind of started here (early builds were posted on this very forum). The third reason is that these kind of "games", and by games I kind of include mods, have always existed, always been available and always sparked controversy... for people who want to argue. All the people I'e spoken to that were offended came to these sites to get offended, and I sometimes talked to other people about these kind of websites and frankly they didn't seem to care at all. ================ A question that was asked earlier in this thread is : does the mods here promote "rape culture", or hinder it ? Well, I don't think it does either of these. This is the same argument that journalists had about "violent games with guns" a few years back, when they tried to say that "gun games" promoted shootings. There has never been any study that linked these behaviors, and I believe there's some that actually disproves it. This actually got me thinking about why these mods exist - why people create them and why people want to download them. I can't talk about rape mods as this isn't what I'm here for, so let's say slavery mods. Slavery in real life is something that i condemn, be it "conventional" slavery or emotional manipulation, since I consider them the same problem .The main reason I don't like that in real life is because people actually suffer from this - I mean that when they're "enslaved" they experience mental distress and/or physical pain, which is something very bad to say the least. This is also why I don't "condemn" it when it's done with consent, I'm thinking about either make-believes or more hard (but healthy) D/S stuff. Here, nobody is hurt by the "slavery" they are in if the relation is actually healthy. Well, in videogames it's the same thing. I can enjoy these kind of mods because the character or NPC enslaved aren't mentally hurt by it (in the sense that I chose to believe they aren't), and if they are described as such (mostly part of the game's original lore) I usually side with the "free them" side (except for completion runs). Now, that mean that there is mods that I condemn, which would be mods that e.g. introduce PTSD or things like that. And actually, I wouldn't like these kinds of mods... and I'd for my part stop there. I find these kinds of mods pretty distateful, but I don't see why I'd disallow people to use them because, much like my above point : nobody gets hurt by this. As long as the people who use them wouldn't act on their fantasies in real life. =============== And that's actually my final point, which deviates a little bit of the subject (although not that much, because it's actually the people who would threaten LL), the so called "SJW"s. I'd like to make a point about what social justice is and why we shouldn't worry about it. Just a disclaimer, I'll use approximative terms to represent really specific things (e.g. society can be seen here as "a group of people which are associated to assumed opinions that may not correspond to the majority's opinion"). "Normal" justice is the justice based on laws. Laws, as a reminder, are the set of written rules that describes what members of a society are legally allowed and forbidden to do. It has nothing to do with opinion, in the sense that it isn't the same thing. There's actually a saying that "law is always behind public opinion", which is kind of true, and the adaptation period often mentioned is 10 years, which is actually very optimistic. The alternative to "normal" justice is "vigilante" justice, which is simply justice without laws. This is illegal (by definition), and very often doesn't represent neither the optimal course of actions to solve a problem or the right position of the society over the problem. This is because individuals, and not society, decide the "laws" behind it. As far as I understand it, Social justice is kind of a new movement that try to make people stick to the people's new opinions (e.g. about gender). For that, they use mostly discussion via social media or forums, but sometimes threats. Let's combine these things... Social Justice is based on new opinions, new opinions are always early in regards to the law and justice that isn't the law is vigilante justice. So legally, the most the Social Justice activists can do is express his opinion, which is a good thing. Anything else, from online harassement, to DOXXing, to actually taking real life actions, is already illegal. They aren't allowed to do this, at least not according to most Western countries laws. So, if it happens... just report them ! I'm even pretty sure most lawsuits would be won by this site However, it may happen that the general opinion decides to put laws that forbids the existence of this site's mods/games. Let's be honest... It won't happen, because as I said earlier most people just don't care. There has been dumber things, like the "facesitting porn" ban in the UK, but as long as we don't bother senators, ministers, presidents or kings with sex mods this website should legally be fine. ================= That's it for my rant. TL;DR ? Not a chance for ST to affect LL because of Skyrim and CBBE - my thoughts about "rape culture" - my thoughts about "SJW"s
Ernest Lemmingway Posted May 8, 2016 Posted May 8, 2016 I have long heard this site referred to as "The site that shall not be named" The first time I heard that particular title was on the Nexus. They've actually programmed the site to delete any links to Lovers Lab and have banned users for mentioning it by name on their site. Even MxR on YouTube joked about that bit of tyranny in an old Skyrim Mods Weekly episode. Now, back to the subject. I don't feel like LL is threatened by the popularity of FO4 more than it has been by the one of Skyrim. The first reason is actually this chart. FO4 isn't nearly as popular as Skyrim was, so if LL survived Skyrim (and it did) I'm sure it can survive FO4. That graph is misleading. Skyrim has been out for 4.5 years; FO4 is six months old. Further, it indicates that FO4 is more popular, at least on the Nexus, than Skyrim was going on the number of hits at the initial release and over time. But in terms of being the first and last stop for many people seeking mods, such popularity would mean less people even learning about Lovers Lab since the Nexus is notorious for its anti-LL measures. Also you're right about studies that show "gun games" tend to hinder real world violence. At least among people who understand the difference between fantasy and reality. Those same studies also apply to every form of media that has ever been decried: dime novels, movies, comic books, and TV. In cases where individuals did understand that was seen was not real, it actually sensitizes people to the real thing and thus discourages such behavior. Activists who tout infamous real life shootings tend to forget or just not realize that every documented case of those "inspired" by their favorite target were also suffering from extreme mental issues (severe PTSD, extreme schizotypal disorders, Antisocial Personality Disorder, etc.). As someone with less severe "mental issues," I know that I and others like me find such violence utterly anathema. In fact studies have shown we're less violent than most "mentally fit" people due to a greater degree of empathy learned from therapy. Sorry if I got a little tense. It's just aggravating to hear people quote the same hurtful and hateful myths even in this age of greater access to information and supposed understanding.
Guest Posted May 8, 2016 Posted May 8, 2016 The first time I heard that particular title was on the Nexus. They've actually programmed the site to delete any links to Lovers Lab and have banned users for mentioning it by name on their site. Even MxR on YouTube joked about that bit of tyranny in an old Skyrim Mods Weekly episode. No more true. I have a mod on Nexus that requires SexLab, and there is a link to this mod (and LoversLab) in the requirement links. They still do not accept heavy contents (like rapes or bestiality) but links to normal adult mods on LL are now accepted.
Ernest Lemmingway Posted May 8, 2016 Posted May 8, 2016 The first time I heard that particular title was on the Nexus. They've actually programmed the site to delete any links to Lovers Lab and have banned users for mentioning it by name on their site. Even MxR on YouTube joked about that bit of tyranny in an old Skyrim Mods Weekly episode. No more true. I have a mod on Nexus that requires SexLab, and there is a link to this mod (and LoversLab) in the requirement links. They still do not accept heavy contents (like rapes or bestiality) but links to normal adult mods on LL are now accepted. Huh. I read they remove links based on what the author of the Alive Peeing mod wrote in their mod description. That's the only mod I know of on Nexus that refers to this site or anything on it and was that very mod that MxR was showcasing. But then I don't have much patience for the abysmal signal-to-noise ratio when searching Nexus; their tagging system brings up crap completely unrelated to what I was looking for nine times out of ten.
Jeoshua Posted May 8, 2016 Posted May 8, 2016 A question that was asked earlier in this thread is : does the mods here promote "rape culture", or hinder it ? Well, I don't think it does either of these. This is the same argument that journalists had about "violent games with guns" a few years back, when they tried to say that "gun games" promoted shootings. There has never been any study that linked these behaviors, and I believe there's some that actually disproves it. I would agree with you that there are some things I find distasteful or even offensive in some of the mods here... but they are mods that I've intentionally installed to promote that feeling. My mod layout right now is pretty brutal, in all honesty. I am using IMCN, Sexout Lust/Spunk, Sexout Pregnancy/Offspring, Usable Toilets (in hardcore mode), JSawyer Ultimate Edition, and several other mods including a personal settings tweak that makes "Hard" mode a bit more satisfying (The harder the game mode, the more damage done overall, both to you and from you. The difficulty slider doesn't make the enemies tougher, it makes the bullets deadlier, to you as well). The point of my mod loadout is to make the game as brutal, realistic, immersive, and dangerous as possible. And those convicts? They don't exactly see a problem with using the little lady I have as a PC as a victim for their sexual desires. It's thematic, and it's a bit scary. It also taught me, in a small way, what Rape feels like to have happen to you. I was trying to get to Novac in a recent playthrough, and sudenly I hear a hissing sound like a snake. I flip VATS up, only to see a tiny little stick of dynamite falling right towards my head. I couldn't get out of the way in time, and BOOM. Ringing in the ears, confusion, and sudden blackness (Another Kick In The Head). When I came to, I had apparently dragged myself off to a safe house after a while. My clothes were gone. My vision was blurry. My legs wouldn't work right. A bit of investigation found my character bruised, bloodied, and completely filled up with spunk. I had been raped. I didn't even remember it, but the scars were still there. As I limped into town, a malaise set over me. I hadn't signed up to get raped. I didn't even get to see it. None of the sex, all of the fallout. Two broken legs and a ringing head and a week of major depression set in for my character. I later reverted to an earlier save and decided to take a safer way towards Novac, after removing a few quest mods that were unrelated to these events but nonetheless set in Novac, saving the Powder Gangers for a higher level, but my character getting raped and tossed away like that really taught me a lesson and to fear for my character's safety in a way that straight up getting killed and reloading a save never would. It really added some human pathos to my adventure. No visual sex required. Now, like I said, I _chose_ to have these mods installed. I don't want to get raped, I don't want my character to rape anyone, and I don't even use Sexout Sex or any other mod that just adds in that "Hey, let's fuck" dialog option (besides Sexout Intimacy, because that's pretty fucking immersive, right there. I'm just trying to get a drink, buddy. Yes, this is a new set of armor. Yes, it brings out my eyes and makes my butt look fantastic. Buy me another drink and we can see where this goes... but only if you're buying), because that's not the game I'm playing. I want sex to be present, even common, in the world, but it's not the point of the exercise. The point, for me, is to make a more realistic and believable game, in which you have to eat/sleep/shit/fuck to really thrive. But nothing is without a price, and not everyone in the universe of the game is a good person. Some are outright bastards. Long story short: Getting raped in this game was an uncomfortable yet educational experience. The distasteful content can actually be used, here, to teach a lesson and to foster an atmosphere of understanding. You don't know what rape feels like until it happens to you, and with a video game you can get a rare glimpse of the helplessness and despair that these victims must be feeling. By fostering understanding through commiseration, maybe this can actually make the world a better place. Or, you know, just improve the quality of a video game by offering alternatives to reloading a save game that make otherwise dull enemy types into a seriously worrying threat.
shinji72 Posted May 12, 2016 Posted May 12, 2016 I've showcased LL mods on my YT channel for a while (in a tasteful way) and everything is going fine. But I partially understand the concern of this thread. There is a difference between adult mod in Skyrim and Fallout. The politically gender sensitive landscape has evolved in these years, and possibly there is more attentions and sensitivity now about the so-called "rape culture" than it was 2 or 3 years ago. That said... Do you believe Fallout is getting all that attention? It's not. Check on this google trends page, today.After a few months from release Fallout 4 searches are dropping down, almost on par with Skyrim (5 years old). https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=skyrim%2C%20fallout%204&date=1%2F2011%2065m&gprop=youtube&cmpt=q&tz=Etc%2FGMT-2
DocClox Posted May 12, 2016 Posted May 12, 2016 Interesting. https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=fallout%204%2C%20Morrowind%2C%20Fallout%203%2C%20Oblivion%2C%20Skyrim&gprop=youtube&cmpt=q&tz=Etc%2FGMT-2 All the games seem to have the same sort of decay curve, but Fallout 4's seems a lit sharper than any of the others. Also interesting to note that the average level of interest is higher for both Fallout 3 and Oblivion than for FO4. They may have outsold Skyrim, but people were talking about TESV a lot more to start with and for a lot longer.
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