Paradise Halls - Home Sweet Home (SE/LE)

[Jasmine92]

6 hours ago, Musje said:

 

After the first slave you need to sell 3 more.  I don't know why the quest wouldn't advance, I did it the other day and it worked fine.

 

4 hours ago, DonQuiWho said:

 

I've been there!  What I failed to get/see was that the existing quest is NOT added to, but that you get a 'NEW' quest that appears in the Journal requiring you to turn in 3 more.  For some reason it appeared further down the list than the one you have just completed, ie selling that first one. 

 

And there will be a delay after finishing the sale of those three (you can sell no more than 2 at any one camp at a time).  The next NPC appears later.  Good explanation here ...

 

Ohhh, so it wasn't a bugged out quest...

 

[MortiferusX]

Does someone have any plan what could cause a missing MCM for HSH?

[DonQuiWho]

2 hours ago, MortiferusX said:

Does someone have any plan what could cause a missing MCM for HSH?

 

Shoving it up your Load Order seems to be the most useful tip here

 

DQW

[sidfu1]

move HSH higher in load order. if doing setstage SKI_ConfigManagerInstance 1 doesnt fix then another mod in your load oder is causing a  condtion that locks data for a sec which causes mcm to fiail. move it higher in load oder or removing the mod causing it are only fixes

 

[Pfiffy]

Is there a way of speeding up the Slave training?

[kohlteth]

12 minutes ago, Pfiffy said:

Is there a way of speeding up the Slave training?

 

Depends how fast you want to go, if you are using DoM there is a spell called "Ultimate Subjugation" 

 

[Musje]

New version 1.31 posted:

- Option to remove slave cell additions from your houses (ask slave guards at the mines, or Pardo at the Restless Hunter)
- Option to disable combat during training (enabled by default)

[Pfiffy]

On 1/11/2023 at 6:54 AM, kohlteth said:

 

Depends how fast you want to go, if you are using DoM there is a spell called "Ultimate Subjugation" 

 

I don't want to cheat, I'm just  impatient....

 

Can you add an option zu turn a Slave or a Taskmaster into a Steward for the Hearthfire Homes?

[Jasmine92]

7 minutes ago, Pfiffy said:

I don't want to cheat, I'm just  impatient....

The DoM MCM has options to "tune" the effectiveness of training. Less like cheating, more like setting from "Hurt me plenty" to "I'm to young to die".

[physalis]

Hi,

 

does anyone remember what causes sex training to be mixed up with pose training? As in training sex raises the pose stat instead.

Edited January 12, 2023 by physalis

[Martok73]

On 1/11/2023 at 9:28 AM, Musje said:

New version 1.31 posted:

- Option to remove slave cell additions from your houses (ask slave guards at the mines, or Pardo at the Restless Hunter)
- Option to disable combat during training (enabled by default)

Cool, by chance have have been able to resolve the slave info spell bug? Where the spell shows stats correctly in PAHE, but atm shows either incorrect stats in HSH or all 0s?

 

1 hour ago, Pfiffy said:

I don't want to cheat, I'm just  impatient....

 

1 hour ago, Jasmine92 said:

The DoM MCM has options to "tune" the effectiveness of training. Less like cheating, more like setting from "Hurt me plenty" to "I'm to young to die".

As good as DoM is I'm sure, for me it would just add way to much complication to having and training and maintaining slaves, for me personally. I just wanna kinda keep it simple and not over complicated. But I too would like to increase the speed at which HSH trains my slaves honestly. I'm old, have had 2 strokes, can't remember shit anymore, and lack time and patience these days. I've read DoM several times, have read many comments from people who love it, I just lack the ability and patience for anything overly complicated and in depth anymore.

 

 

@Musje Still haven't had time to go back and test that save file and see if I can reproduce the vanishing slave act from the Restless Hunter yet, sorry. So far 2023 has been hell IRL, hopefully I'll have time soon to test and see if I can reproduce it or if it was just a fluke.

[Harvald56]

I had a similar point. A slave disappears from slaves list. It was a named slave (Alva). I enslaved her after talking to Helgi before finishing the quest. Rhen took her to a player home as a house slave. She disappears from the list before entering the Morvaths Lager queststage, but she still was in the house. I could talk to her Time to hit the road and everyting was ok again.

[DonQuiWho]

37 minutes ago, Martok73 said:

 

As good as DoM is I'm sure, for me it would just add way to much complication to having and training and maintaining slaves, for me personally. I just wanna kinda keep it simple and not over complicated. But I too would like to increase the speed at which HSH trains my slaves honestly. I'm old, have had 2 strokes, can't remember shit anymore, and lack time and patience these days. I've read DoM several times, have read many comments from people who love it, I just lack the ability and patience for anything overly complicated and in depth anymore.

 

 

Ditto, but thankfully without the strokes, other than those emanating from the mod's whip. 

 

But I too would really like a 'Faster Training Option' outside of DOM, as it probably would help me to enslave all of Skyrim before I pop my clogs .... ?

[Musje]

1 hour ago, Martok73 said:

Cool, by chance have have been able to resolve the slave info spell bug? Where the spell shows stats correctly in PAHE, but atm shows either incorrect stats in HSH or all 0s?

 

 

@Musje Still haven't had time to go back and test that save file and see if I can reproduce the vanishing slave act from the Restless Hunter yet, sorry. So far 2023 has been hell IRL, hopefully I'll have time soon to test and see if I can reproduce it or if it was just a fluke.

 

The slave spell should be ok now, at least it works here. My install is a mess though, not really representative of what goes on with most people's games

Maybe I can add an option in MCM to speed up training, like a difficulty setting

 

Also I hope the rest of the year treats you better

[DonQuiWho]

1 hour ago, Musje said:

Maybe I can add an option in MCM to speed up training, like a difficulty setting

 

Also I hope the rest of the year treats you better

 

That would be just great!

 

And I wish @Martok73 the same too

 

But if RL is giving you grief, take your time, as there's no point in killing yourself too quickly, merely to keep our lifetime ambitions alive ?

 

DQW

[Martok73]

3 hours ago, DonQuiWho said:

 

Ditto, but thankfully without the strokes, other than those emanating from the mod's whip. 

 

But I too would really like a 'Faster Training Option' outside of DOM, as it probably would help me to enslave all of Skyrim before I pop my clogs .... ?

Chuckled a little at this, needed a laugh, the whip strokes, good one.

 

2 hours ago, Musje said:

The slave spell should be ok now, at least it works here. My install is a mess though, not really representative of what goes on with most people's games

Maybe I can add an option in MCM to speed up training, like a difficulty setting

 

Also I hope the rest of the year treats you better

I will download 1.31 and give it a go soon as I get a few minutes to breath... A MCM option to speed up training would be so awesome ?. Thank you I do too, so far 12 days in and it's been a hellish nightmare with multiple sicknesses with my grandchildren, (one's 7yrs and the other is 7mos.), pinkeye, strep throat, flu, my adult daughter (26yrs) somehow got hand foot and mouth disease ?‍♂️, add in two rounds of covid for the adults here, my short stay in the hospital, and yeppers, 2023 has started out in the shitter. Video games are my stress relief and an escape from the chaotic shitshow I live in everyday, so I'm about to loose my mind cause I haven't been able to sit down at my pc and play anythiing. Y'all are wonderful, and I appreciate the well wishes, it means alot, I sure do hope this year gets better. ?

[Strec2]

On 1/12/2023 at 6:21 PM, Jasmine92 said:

The DoM MCM has options to "tune" the effectiveness of training. Less like cheating, more like setting from "Hurt me plenty" to "I'm to young to die".

 

Is DOM mandatory now or can we wait it working well?

 

I support the idea of having a setting permitting to tune the training quickness, I personnaly focus on management and not a lot on using menus and playing animations by myself, the game is so big that every minute gained is good

 

Note, that trainers/taskmaster/.... performance based on some stats is one of the good ideas in DOM but perhaps would need to much time to implement in HsH.

[Musje]

38 minutes ago, Strec2 said:

 

Is DOM mandatory now or can we wait it working well?

 

I support the idea of having a setting permitting to tune the training quickness, I personnaly focus on management and not a lot on using menus and playing animations by myself, the game is so big that every minute gained is good

 

Note, that trainers/taskmaster/.... performance based on some stats is one of the good ideas in DOM but perhaps would need to much time to implement in HsH.

 

DOM is not mandatory, but you can use the latest 3.x version (NOT 4.x)

[fred200]

DOM was great when PAHE and HSH were pretty static.. Now with HSH,  PAHE and AYGAS being updated again - I can not find a combination that works.

DOM 4.0 is promising for the future - no shared scripts. But it is not there yet.

If anyone can provide a list of versions that work together - and which scripts should overwrite the other - it would be much appreciated.

To be able to run my game, I had to remove all the above and clean my save. Never had Skyrim crash so hard before.

I am now running PAHE 8.2.0 Fix 2, HSH 1.31, and AYGAS 0.61 (All SE) on a clean save.  This set seems OK. No version of DOM seems to work with it.

Final note: I really value all these, including DOM. They really transformed Skyrim for me.

[Strec2]

13 minutes ago, fred200 said:

DOM was great when PAHE and HSH were pretty static.. Now with HSH,  PAHE and AYGAS being updated again - I can not find a combination that works.

DOM 4.0 is promising for the future - no shared scripts. But it is not there yet.

If anyone can provide a list of versions that work together - and which scripts should overwrite the other - it would be much appreciated.

To be able to run my game, I had to remove all the above and clean my save. Never had Skyrim crash so hard before.

I am now running PAHE 8.2.0 Fix 2, HSH 1.31, and AYGAS 0.61 (All SE) on a clean save.  This set seems OK. No version of DOM seems to work with it.

Final note: I really value all these, including DOM. They really transformed Skyrim for me.

 

I restarted with the same versions, will see, for now it's perfect.

 

[Musje]

52 minutes ago, fred200 said:

DOM was great when PAHE and HSH were pretty static.. Now with HSH,  PAHE and AYGAS being updated again - I can not find a combination that works.

DOM 4.0 is promising for the future - no shared scripts. But it is not there yet.

If anyone can provide a list of versions that work together - and which scripts should overwrite the other - it would be much appreciated.

To be able to run my game, I had to remove all the above and clean my save. Never had Skyrim crash so hard before.

I am now running PAHE 8.2.0 Fix 2, HSH 1.31, and AYGAS 0.61 (All SE) on a clean save.  This set seems OK. No version of DOM seems to work with it.

Final note: I really value all these, including DOM. They really transformed Skyrim for me.

 

Not sure about PAHE 8.2.0, I am still on 8.1.7.  When installing, just install DOM 3.x last and let it overwrite what it wants

 

[fred200]

Thanks! Last time you told us to overwrite DOM...

 

HSH 1.31 SE bug report: Melina has darkface bug. Easy fix: exporting facegen in CK. Everyone else - so far - looks fine.

[Strec2]

19 minutes ago, fred200 said:

Thanks! Last time you told us to overwrite DOM...

 

HSH 1.31 SE bug report: Melina has darkface bug. Easy fix: exporting facegen in CK. Everyone else - so far - looks fine.

 

DOM description indicates "Most stable version for SE is 3.4.1 to be used with PAHE 8.1.5 (8.1.6 should be ok too)."

 

I wanted to use the latest versions of PAH and HsH but it created a lot of problems with DOM before or after in the load order so I remove DOM waiting for the 4.x when and if it's not dependant of the other ones or at least more integrated.

[Musje]

29 minutes ago, fred200 said:

Thanks! Last time you told us to overwrite DOM...

 

HSH 1.31 SE bug report: Melina has darkface bug. Easy fix: exporting facegen in CK. Everyone else - so far - looks fine.

 

Hms

Last version of DOM should only overwrite 2 files for HSH and 2 for AYGAS.  Let it do so

[Martok73]

@Musje Hey, so I downloaded and tested out 1.31, and found a few issues, might be me or might not be, not sure at this point. When upgrading from 1.3 to 1.31 by only overwriting the files, I got an error dealing with SLA saying the 3d actors were out of range or not rendered. I fixed that by uninstalling 1.30 first, and then installing 1.31 all without starting the game of course, just removing the old, and installing the new, which fixed that error, so might be something with overwriting, not sure.

 

Second thing I noticed was that with 1.30 when you have a taskmistress and training is complete you don't get bombarded by slaves telling you it's finished and they have trained this slave as far as they can. However upon updating to 1.31 I got bombarded by 6 slave trainers telling me all at once that they have trained this slave as far as they can. Not sure what happened but I liked it better when the taskmistress/master took care of all of that and I did not get approached by any slave trainers when they were done.

 

Third thing is the slave info spell is still broken. I have screenshots showing what the stats look like when using the slave info spell on a slave inside HSH and while inside PAHE below. @CliftonJD copied in so I don't have to make 2 different posts in 2 different threads.

Same slave but inside PAHE instead of HSH.

 

Fourth thing I noticed is papyrus errors coming from HSH Storage config.

 

[01/12/2023 - 08:51:10PM] error: Cannot cast from None to ReferenceAlias[]
stack:
	[PHHSHStorage (3E008402)].ConfigMenu.ListCellOccupants() - "configmenu.psc" Line 799
	[PHHSHStorage (3E008402)].ConfigMenu.OnPageReset() - "configmenu.psc" Line 189
	[PHHSHStorage (3E008402)].ConfigMenu.SetPage() - "SKI_ConfigBase.psc" Line 865
	[SKI_ConfigManagerInstance (23000802)].SKI_ConfigManager.OnPageSelect() - "SKI_ConfigManager.psc" Line 148

 

I'll include the full log below as the above is just the last stack dump from that log.

 

Papyrus.0.log

 

The last thing I wanted to mention was concerning the combat training setting in the MCM. Bystander aggro and real combat is a very real and big issue. With 51 slaves in the dungeon when a few slaves are training combat, they run all over the place, like alot and any slave not in combat has a high chance of getting hit in the crossfire and causing real combat to take place resulting in many slaves being downed to one knee in bleedout. I had to exit the cellar, and the house and fast travel away to "reset" the real combat and stop them from trying to kill each other. I'm curious as to why they run so far and cover such a huge area when training combat, because when I allowed 2 slaves to train combat at a slave camp I had at the  CC Farm, they ran all the damn way to Whiterun Stables, right thru the giant camp. No clue if the "fight area distance" is something you can manipulate or not, but I wanted to bring it up as I was hoping the new setting would take care of alot of the major issues with having slaves train other slaves in combat. Oh and the setting for the to "Spar" was selected by default in the MCM.

 

 

 

The next thing I am going to check and I'm going to use the new version 1.31 to do it, is that slave vanishing act in the Restless Hunter I reported several days ago. I'm hoping by using the new version 1.31 that I won't be able to reproduce the glitch and all will be well. ?

 

 

Anyway, that's my report on 1.31 from about 2 1/2 hrs testing today. So hope it helps, and keep up the great work as it is very much appreciated. ?

Skyrim SE 1.5.97, PAHE 8.20 fix2, HSH 1.31.

 

Edited January 14, 2023 by Martok73