Paradise Halls - Home Sweet Home (SE/LE)

[Martok73]

@Musje So, I've got 1.29 up and running, and I used the MCM option to try to fix the bugged out slave, which did not work. The MCM Option to transfer that same slave to PAHE worked and transferred her great, she was still giving the ... response tho, right up until I opened the PAHE MCM and hit the Re-clone button, LOL....  Re-cloned her, she kept her stats, her name changed tho , but she's fixed! She is once again a fully functioning respectful obedient slave. I have moved her to another HSH Location I have setup and have her training more slaves now and she's doing great. If you had not added that button in the MCM to force move a slave from HSH to PAHE I think she would have stayed bugged forever. Thank you much .

 

 

[stalPROm]

7 hours ago, Musje said:

 

No issues with markers in indoor places?

There were some issues with markers before and I fixed those, but only tested under SE.  I'll see if I can reproduce it

Only outdoor as far i can test it.

[Musje]

47 minutes ago, stalPROm said:

Only outdoor as far i can test it.

 

Does it crash when they walk over the markers, or just randomly?  I've been trying to reproduce this in LE but I never get a CTD.

[stalPROm]

2 hours ago, Musje said:

 

Does it crash when they walk over the markers, or just randomly?  I've been trying to reproduce this in LE but I never get a CTD.

Here what i got: random CTD after loading game(permanent camp, all type of markers placed, no training going no master at camp only follower guard so slaves just walks freely), like 2-4 mins after loading in outside camp. The last i saw slave stand up from chair and like trying to go somewhere and CTD. Well i can definitly say it goes from last version, even if i roll back to 1,27 on existing 1.29 save i got no CTD.
PS: also please check aroused followers interaction with slaves, can be it too.

Edited December 29, 2022 by stalPROm

[Jasmine92]

1 hour ago, stalPROm said:

Here what i got: random CTD after loading game(permanent camp, all type of markers placed, no training going no master at camp only follower guard so slaves just walks freely), like 2-4 mins after loading in outside camp. The last i saw slave stand up from chair and like trying to go somewhere and CTD. Well i can definitly say it goes from last version, even if i roll back to 1,27 on existing 1.29 save i got no CTD.
PS: also please check aroused followers interaction with slaves, can be it too.

Do you have a papyrus log or a .NET Crashlog?

[Musje]

1 hour ago, stalPROm said:

Here what i got: random CTD after loading game(permanent camp, all type of markers placed, no training going no master at camp only follower guard so slaves just walks freely), like 2-4 mins after loading in outside camp. The last i saw slave stand up from chair and like trying to go somewhere and CTD. Well i can definitly say it goes from last version, even if i roll back to 1,27 on existing 1.29 save i got no CTD.
PS: also please check aroused followers interaction with slaves, can be it too.

 

Try intalling 1.29 but install the old markers from the 1.27 zip file (they are in data\meshes\phhsh)

 

[stalPROm]

10 minutes ago, Musje said:

 

Try intalling 1.29 but install the old markers from the 1.27 zip file (they are in data\meshes\phhsh)

 

Well, idk what was that but what i did: rebuilt slaves list and enabled greetings & short time greetings (before that i didn't touch MCM) and now 20 minutes all good. So dunno. I believe meshes itself is not a problem. I did show markers placed and deleted it, CTD was random after that. I only can reproduse CTD when loading old save don't touch MCM at all and go to camp, after few mins crash.

 

34 minutes ago, Jasmine92 said:

Do you have a papyrus log or a .NET Crashlog?

Checked papyrus first, nothing related PAHE or HSH.

[Musje]

Strange, if it's not the markers, for the life of me I can't imagine what it is, or how going into the MCM menu changes things. 

[Jasmine92]

I have another thing with 1.29 though: Became Thane of Riften and put a housecell marker in Honeyside. Assigned two slaves to the cell and they just got up and left. In the MCM they are still registered to Honeyside, but I think they got confused and wandered of to god knows where. Any way to check, what they believe where their housecell marker is?

 

EDIT:

Upon further inspection some other things are curious:

- the house marker is upstairs, while the cell marker is in the cellar:

- when i am in the cellar next to the cell marker, telling a slave "You are going to stay here for a while" does not seem to be a problem

- when I am standing in the cellar and assign a slave to the bedroom, they seem to be unable to find the way upstairs to bedroom marker

 

EDIT2:

seems to be a navmesh problem with Honeyside, they seem to be unable to navigate up the stairs, maybe a bug in my version of Honeyside.

Edited December 29, 2022 by Jasmine92

[Musje]

29 minutes ago, Jasmine92 said:

I have another thing with 1.29 though: Became Thane of Riften and put a housecell marker in Honeyside. Assigned two slaves to the cell and they just got up and left. In the MCM they are still registered to Honeyside, but I think they got confused and wandered of to god knows where. Any way to check, what they believe where their housecell marker is?

 

EDIT: Upon further inspection some other things are curious:

- the house marker is upstairs, while the cell marker is in the cellar:

- when i am in the cellar next to the cell marker, telling a slave "You are going to stay here for a while" does not seem to be a problem

- when I am standing in the cellar and assign a slave to the bedroom, they seem to be unable to find the way upstairs to bedroom marker

 

I think there's an issue in general with NPC AI and multi level buildings.  Isn't there a mod that fixes that?

[Fredfish]

12 hours ago, Musje said:

 

I think there's an issue in general with NPC AI and multi level buildings.  Isn't there a mod that fixes that?

This maybe? https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/4524

[Martok73]

15 hours ago, Musje said:

 

I think there's an issue in general with NPC AI and multi level buildings.  Isn't there a mod that fixes that?

 

3 hours ago, Fredfish said:

This maybe? https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/4524

That mod extends the vertical range of where an npc can sandbox and travel to, however it still relies on the actual navmesh and pathing of that specific game cell to function correctly. The mod itself is great and I've been using it for years and it works well as long as there is proper navmesh. Breezehome, Honeyside, and the other small house with tight stairs, can't remember the dang name off the top of my head, anyway those have had navmesh issues since forever and a few people have tried to resolve them. IIRC it's because the stairs themselves are not as big as some are in other places and the navmesh isn't placed correctly going up. Even with that mod I've never seen/caught Iona sleeping in her own bed that is located downstairs in the cellar of Honeyside, she either sits upstairs all night, or sometimes, sleeps in my bed. It's a navmesh and pathing issue unfortunately.

[stalPROm]

19 hours ago, Musje said:

Strange, if it's not the markers, for the life of me I can't imagine what it is, or how going into the MCM menu changes things. 

Maybe the moon was in the wrong state, maybe weather outside wasn't good enough - skyrim modding in common  At least if there will be a second person with the same problem then it's something with markers otherwise i guess it's only my save file. Thank you for quick replies and support.

[heckdo]

When asked to practice sensual arts, slaves just say 'I will do no such thing'.

 

I've leveled them pretty high, so I'm not sure what the problem. What does this option do, anyway?

[CliftonJD]

 

On 12/24/2022 at 8:01 PM, Jieigh said:

@Musje

I'm experiencing a bug where having sex (either trough "ok, slave..." or "you, strip! I'm going to have fun with you") gives pose training instead of sex training, and asking the slave to address properly or berating her for not doing so gives anger training instead of respect. Using the PAHE alternate start to get a respectful sarting slave also gives me a slave with 100 anger training instead. Apparently when I leave them at a house/camp their stats become what they should be (checked with the "Slave info" spell), but as soon as I retrieve them again ("time to hit the road, slave") the sex value goes to pose and the respect goes to anger (and sex and respect are set to 0)

 

It started when I updated PAHE to 8.1.6 (from 8.1.5), AYGAS 0.60a (from 0.57) and HSH 1.28 (from 1.26 or 1.27, not sure)

 

Made a new profile with only sexlab,PAHE/AYGAS/HSH and their requirements. Everything works fine with just PAHE or PAHE+AYGAS, but PAHE+HSH and PAHE+HSH+AYGAS have this problem, so I guess the problem comes from HSH

 

Any insight on how the fuck I solve this?

 

On 12/24/2022 at 8:43 PM, Musje said:

 

No idea, but probably an issue with the slave info spell.  Check the stats in the MCM menu

...then you need to check your changes to the spell, i use the spell all the time....oh and btw it was updated to work in hsh while you were away so you might not need any changes in hsh

 

this bug might be coming from building hsh for dom, patching to the dom version of the spell, but only a guess

 

On 12/27/2022 at 10:54 PM, naranel said:

HSH seems to have added a bunch of "disrespectful" voice acting to slaves that were already respect trained things like "Get lost" is there anyway to disable these?

are you using this with dialogue overhaul mods

1 hour ago, heckdo said:

When asked to practice sensual arts, slaves just say 'I will do no such thing'.

 

I've leveled them pretty high, so I'm not sure what the problem. What does this option do, anyway?

you need a minimum of 70 submission with a high sex training, think around 40 or so, not sure on how high

[Ultima1990]

Had a really weird interaction with AFT the other day. Yes, follower frameworks are weird and known to cause issues with the slavery framework, but I'ma report it anyway in case anyone finds it useful.

 

First off. I'm using so many of these mods now that I don't know where exactly the problem lies. PAHE, HSH, DoM, AYGAS. There's one thing that I know for sure is HSH so I'm gonna leave the report here.

 

So I've enslaved a follower. Yes, an AFT follower. Yes, I know, like I said above. Roll with it. I parted ways with the follower and then enslaved her. Clicking "Follow me, slave", which I do quite often to get her to stop posing or touching herself, causes AFT to also activate her as a follower again. Which is mildly annoying. Anyway, the result is that this character is now a slave and a follower at the same time, until I part ways with her again and then she's just a slave again. A fully functioning slave. Seems to be no long term side effects from doing this, just gotta part ways every time I tell her to follow me.

 

Now here's the part that I know for certain is HSH. Also it's kinda funny. Would be hilarious if it didn't break the slave. Your followers will make use of HSH or PAHE slaves when they get horny (should also work with SexLab Aroused eXtended). Turns out, if the character is both a slave and a follower, they can do this to themselves! She was my only slave at the time, thinking she was also my follower via the above AFT bug, and suddenly she pointed at nothing and told that nothing that she was gonna have some fun with it. So yea, I'm pretty sure her follower brain was talking to her slave brain. Which, like I said, kinda funny. If not for the fact that she was then stuck. Busy for ever. Waiting for herself to approach herself so she could follow herself to somewhere private. Which never happened.

 

So yea. That's my story.

[Musje]

25 minutes ago, Ultima1990 said:

Had a really weird interaction with AFT the other day. Yes, follower frameworks are weird and known to cause issues with the slavery framework, but I'ma report it anyway in case anyone finds it useful.

 

First off. I'm using so many of these mods now that I don't know where exactly the problem lies. PAHE, HSH, DoM, AYGAS. There's one thing that I know for sure is HSH so I'm gonna leave the report here.

 

So I've enslaved a follower. Yes, an AFT follower. Yes, I know, like I said above. Roll with it. I parted ways with the follower and then enslaved her. Clicking "Follow me, slave", which I do quite often to get her to stop posing or touching herself, causes AFT to also activate her as a follower again. Which is mildly annoying. Anyway, the result is that this character is now a slave and a follower at the same time, until I part ways with her again and then she's just a slave again. A fully functioning slave. Seems to be no long term side effects from doing this, just gotta part ways every time I tell her to follow me.

 

Now here's the part that I know for certain is HSH. Also it's kinda funny. Would be hilarious if it didn't break the slave. Your followers will make use of HSH or PAHE slaves when they get horny (should also work with SexLab Aroused eXtended). Turns out, if the character is both a slave and a follower, they can do this to themselves! She was my only slave at the time, thinking she was also my follower via the above AFT bug, and suddenly she pointed at nothing and told that nothing that she was gonna have some fun with it. So yea, I'm pretty sure her follower brain was talking to her slave brain. Which, like I said, kinda funny. If not for the fact that she was then stuck. Busy for ever. Waiting for herself to approach herself so she could follow herself to somewhere private. Which never happened.

 

So yea. That's my story.

 

A sordid story if I ever heard one ?

But yeah... HSH does not check if the follower and the slave for that scene are one and the same person. Maybe they should just pleasure themselves in that case?

[Ultima1990]

46 minutes ago, Musje said:

 

A sordid story if I ever heard one ?

But yeah... HSH does not check if the follower and the slave for that scene are one and the same person. Maybe they should just pleasure themselves in that case?

That would make sense, yes. I'm sure there's other weird situations where this might occur.

 

In the mean time, after some experimenting I've found that the AFT situation only occurs if the slave has been told to fight for me. So that's neat.

[Martok73]

1 hour ago, Ultima1990 said:

In the mean time, after some experimenting I've found that the AFT situation only occurs if the slave has been told to fight for me. So that's neat.

I use AFT and have for years, I've also enslaved followers that piss me off. The "safest" way I have found to do this is to first, go into the AFT menu book and remove the follower you are going to enslave from the AFT framework completely. Then once the follower has been removed and returned to the vanilla system, immediately enslave them via normal PAHE enslavement methods such as health, para, sleep, or use of the mark hotkey. If you "talk" to the follower again after removing them from AFT and before enslaving them via PAHE, then AFT will again grab them and pull them into the framework, so once you remove them from AFT you can't talk to them again until they have been successfully enslaved/cloned. Hope that helps you in the future enslavement of unruly followers.

[Ultima1990]

49 minutes ago, Martok73 said:

I use AFT and have for years, I've also enslaved followers that piss me off. The "safest" way I have found to do this is to first, go into the AFT menu book and remove the follower you are going to enslave from the AFT framework completely. Then once the follower has been removed and returned to the vanilla system, immediately enslave them via normal PAHE enslavement methods such as health, para, sleep, or use of the mark hotkey. If you "talk" to the follower again after removing them from AFT and before enslaving them via PAHE, then AFT will again grab them and pull them into the framework, so once you remove them from AFT you can't talk to them again until they have been successfully enslaved/cloned. Hope that helps you in the future enslavement of unruly followers.

All of that is true and very helpful advice. Still, I figured I'd do the report anyway. If I'm as precise as possible on when the weird interactions occur maybe some day we'll get to a point where slavery and follower frameworks can coexist peacefully. In the mean time I've got my workarounds.

[prodigee8]

Where is the custom greeting gesture in HSH. I updated to 1.29 and my MCM's custom greeting changed back to default.

[CliftonJD]

4 hours ago, Ultima1990 said:

That would make sense, yes. I'm sure there's other weird situations where this might occur.

 

In the mean time, after some experimenting I've found that the AFT situation only occurs if the slave has been told to fight for me. So that's neat.

 

3 hours ago, Martok73 said:

I use AFT and have for years, I've also enslaved followers that piss me off. The "safest" way I have found to do this is to first, go into the AFT menu book and remove the follower you are going to enslave from the AFT framework completely. Then once the follower has been removed and returned to the vanilla system, immediately enslave them via normal PAHE enslavement methods such as health, para, sleep, or use of the mark hotkey. If you "talk" to the follower again after removing them from AFT and before enslaving them via PAHE, then AFT will again grab them and pull them into the framework, so once you remove them from AFT you can't talk to them again until they have been successfully enslaved/cloned. Hope that helps you in the future enslavement of unruly followers.

This is actually what i would recommend to any trying follower enslavement...

2 hours ago, Ultima1990 said:

All of that is true and very helpful advice. Still, I figured I'd do the report anyway. If I'm as precise as possible on when the weird interactions occur maybe some day we'll get to a point where slavery and follower frameworks can coexist peacefully. In the mean time I've got my workarounds.

ahem....wrong thread if you're looking for co-existence with follower mods during enslavement....but even on the right thread, co-existence with follower mods has mostly been found to a script issue within those mods for example aft has registered that npc(or slave  in this case)

 

when they only get this bug After telling the slave to fight for you, it makes it nearly impossible or at least impracticable to fend against the bug...the only known cause for this behavior would be the team mate faction, but i'm sure there are others for combat slaves

[CliftonJD]

2 hours ago, Ultima1990 said:

All of that is true and very helpful advice. Still, I figured I'd do the report anyway. If I'm as precise as possible on when the weird interactions occur maybe some day we'll get to a point where slavery and follower frameworks can coexist peacefully. In the mean time I've got my workarounds.

above...ackk, above is not above anymore, unfair to my response

Edited December 31, 2022 by CliftonJD

[Martok73]

10 hours ago, Ultima1990 said:

All of that is true and very helpful advice. Still, I figured I'd do the report anyway. If I'm as precise as possible on when the weird interactions occur maybe some day we'll get to a point where slavery and follower frameworks can coexist peacefully. In the mean time I've got my workarounds.

LOL, yep that would be nice...in the meantime... ?

 

8 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

This is actually what i would recommend to any trying follower enslavement...

Cool ?haha, look at me, helping ?

[sidfu1]

for enslaving followers long as they not following you they can enslave fine. BUT BUT  never use any of their normal follower function after enslavement or import them into a follower frame work.