Maria Eden

*Kimy* · October 12, 2016

My point was about technical limitations : If you play a succubus and may die if you have no sex, then having chastity devices for a long time force you to use the console or die.

Same thing for a whore, if a mod puts you in restraint for a long time, you will not be abIe to play most of ME scenes, and you will have problems when your CD belted girl will be ordered to fuck by her ME mistress.

Oh right, we agree then.

And yes, while ideally all these mods would be perfectly compatible with each other, in reality that's very difficult to achieve. DCL has a few "partner mods" it tries very hard to be compatible with (e.g. Captured Dreams or Prison Overhaul, even the old Maria Eden (Slavery)), but even in these cases there will remain a few aspects that will clash with each other (e.g. PO doesn't like DD restraints being present when it runs pillory scenes etc.).

My personal approach is that I try to talk to the authors of mods thematically similar enough to mine that people might be tempted to use them in the same load order, to see what can be done to improve compatibility. But this approach doesn't scale well (the workload increases exponentially with the number of mods in the group), and the sheer number of mods around doing different things in different ways makes it a mission impossible to try to be compatible to them all.

Maria Eden is a mod I'd love to be compatible with both DD and DCL, but it's hard to do, as it's set on a different code base (e.g. implementing restraints without using the DDI framework) - and for the reason you mentioned as well. The latter would be solvable, but would require work on both ends (ME and DD).

When I started with ME there was only one player slavery mod - a freshly adapted SD+ that was unstable and not build for mod collaboration.

Then in the past there where discussions between several mod authors - one result was the Zaz Slavery Framework.

Maria Eden was the only mod that has used it (and is still using it) - I think SD+ was adapted now too.

Additionally ME comes with a documentation of all Mod events (internally much stuff is handled via events) and several other stuff that is needed for collaboration - a kind of API.

I think I made my home work...

However - I consider using DDi after a code / API review. Does DCL provide an API?

Honestly, I think ME would profit greatly from using DDI.

And yes, DCL -sort- of has a API. You can tell it to pause its events, so they won't interfere with your scenes (it's listening to the same triggers used for Deviously Helpless). You can also query if it's currently running a scene of its own. And you can trigger many of its events and quests via SendModEvent() calls.

PS: DCL is using and respects ZAP slavery system's flags as well. It's how it determines that a character is someone's property. I -think- Captured Dreams does it, too.

*galgat* · October 12, 2016

Just my two cents.

1. I like DDI, I like all the mods that DDI has built around it, they are very fun, but they all do the same thing pretty much.

I have have done the arm-binder struggle, the MUmmmmmpht!, MUmmmm!, MUmmmm,MUmmmm!, MUmmmm, MUmmmmmpht! 20 to 30 times, and more, some times a lot more in a lot of mods, and sometimes the DDI modder makes the Stuggle MOOT!, and they have for the most part all been a lot of fun.

DDI A. Lock me Up

DDI B. lock me up, and send me to some remote area, and tell me to make my way back.

DDI C. Lock me up, and lose the key.

DDI D. Lock me up, and tell me to go get something from some terrible dungeon in this condition restrained, and helpless condition.. And when I get out, tell me to do it again, but let's go to a different dungeon this time.

2. Maria Eden Prostitution is very refreshing to me, as it is different, and it plays for me very, very well, as long as I follow the recommendations of the Mod maker ( zaira), as in no DDI, avoid SLA, and so on...

It has some bug's, but I don't think there is a mod, ( I very much include DDI in the buggy sometimes Mods) I play that I do not have to reach for console, or be very careful, and do this, and not that or it will hang up

ME for me is like stepping into a different world, where things work differently, and is for me ( Note: For me ) A very very nice change.

I would not mind more modders deciding to create there own style, there own Mod, and there own Idea of bondage, and if I have to start another Profile in Mod organizer to play it, well so Be it.

[ I often wonder ]

{ I would speculate that a lot of people avoid MO, because MO is very strict about allowing you to play unless you have steam up. People that play hacked games will not like this, MO will be troublesome to get going unless they are pretty savvy at re-coding some area's of it.

However NMM does not check much of anything, so when I see people avoiding MO, I wonder sometime why. There are good reasons for avoiding it, for modding, but not so much for playing games }

3. So I personally am very happy with DDI, and DDI mods, ( I am very much a supporter of DDI ) But I am also very happy with ME, and Defeat, Haunted House, The Sisterhood of Dibella, From the Deeps, The Animal Mansion, and others that don't need DDI or SLA. I have no problem running another profile to play them, if it is needed, or starting a clean save with only the mods they require, and they can be a lot of fun.

4. Why is ME singled out to be stomped on for not making DDI, and SLA a dependency ?.... It just seems like some sort of bullying tactic, and I find it just a bit mean.

I mean >>>> is it not zairas Mod, are they not allowed to mod in any fashion they want ?

Why is this mod being so singled out ?

It all seems not right to me.

*zaira* · October 13, 2016

If I am going to support DDi I will do it in the Maria Eden way.

Being locked will always be in a context of a quest - it will never be the quest itself.

However - it is not on my todo list for next release.

I want to finalize next release - but I have to wait until next version of heretical resources is released.

It will be one of the biggest updates since switch from ME 1.0 to 2.0

Regarding stucking scenes : it can always happen that a NPC is blocked by a vanilla or foreign quest. The only stable way would be to arrange scenes with own NPCs or use unique Actors that don't have open quest triggers. Additionally ME is an extreme complex mod and I am a one man army. There will always be bugs. After a while you get a feeling for NPCs and situations that shall be avoided and you can have hours of fun.

I had the choice to limit ME to special actors and limit the scenes or to introduce a cheating system that helps you to get out of a broken scene. I have chosen the second way. Those who can't accept this shall better play with other mods and stop bleating here - it is known and I will not change it. Post logfiles instead of bleating around and bothering other people - that would help.

Naddesh · October 13, 2016

Can I install mod and use it on existing savegames? Will costum Vilja companion have working options of marriage and beeing my domme? - there is entire questline leading to marriage with her not normal just buy necklace

*galgat* · October 13, 2016

To pincopallino

Other than the crazy light thing ( which I fixed with Jaxon positioner, it was easier than going to the CK )

The pillory in the room with the cage to where the milk machine is. It is just s tiny bit to close to the wall, when a Trik, or john finishes with a pillory job, they tend to move directly in front of the player.

Because the Pillory is just a bit to close to the wall, they get sort of hung up there, they do eventually work there way out, but it is sort of a problem.

I used jaxon to move the pillory just a tiny bit forward ( or away from the wall ), and they no longer hang there, but It probably interferes with the Navmesh, though I have seen not problem as yet.

I just thought it was worth mentioning. I think other than those two things you have do a fine job with t e Bannered mare.

*Kimy* · October 13, 2016

I feel the need to clarify a few things here:

1. I like DDI, I like all the mods that DDI has built around it, they are very fun, but they all do the same thing pretty much.

       I have have done the arm-binder struggle, the MUmmmmmpht!, MUmmmm!, MUmmmm,MUmmmm!, MUmmmm, MUmmmmmpht! 20 to 30 times, and more, some times a lot more in a lot of mods, and sometimes the DDI modder makes the Stuggle MOOT!, and they have for the most part all been a lot of fun.

DDI A. Lock me Up

DDI B. lock me up, and send me to some remote area, and tell me to make my way back.

DDI C. Lock me up, and lose the key.

DDI D. Lock me up, and tell me to go get something from some terrible dungeon in this condition restrained, and helpless condition.. And when I get out, tell me to do it again, but let's go to a different dungeon this time.

DDI itself doesn't do any of the above. It's a middleware tool for modders: It just provides an API and convenient means to create mods that do that. Nobody will get tied up from just having DDI in their load order.

2. Maria Eden Prostitution is very refreshing to me, as it is different, and it plays for me very, very well, as long as I follow the recommendations of the Mod maker ( zaira), as in no DDI, avoid SLA, and so on...

ME for me is like stepping into a different world, where things work differently, and is for me

    I would not mind more modders deciding to create there own style, there own Mod, and there own Idea of bondage, and if I have to start another Profile in Mod organizer to play it, well so Be it.

           [ I often wonder ]

{ I would speculate that a lot of people avoid MO, because MO is very strict about allowing you to play unless you have steam up. People that play hacked games will not like this, MO will be troublesome to get going unless they are pretty savvy at re-coding some area's of it.

   However NMM does not check much of anything, so when I see people avoiding MO, I wonder sometime why. There are good reasons for avoiding it, for modding, but not so much for playing games }

That's very off topic, but the notion that the only reason not to use MO is a pirated Skyrim copy is a tad insulting. Like -many- Skyrim users and modders, I don't use MO. And my copy of Skyrim is very much NOT pirated, thank you. I don't use MO because I don't like or need it. It makes things more complicated without offering me anything in return I want or need. As someone said in another thread, it's like using a dump truck to move a pebble. I know from previous discussions with MO fans that they have a hard time to understand why someone can NOT love MO, but it doesn't change the fact that many do not. In my case it's because I have no need for its features. See below.

3. So I personally am very happy with DDI, and DDI mods, But I am also very happy with ME, and Defeat, Haunted House, The Sisterhood of Dibella, From the Deeps, The Animal Mansion, and others that don't need DDI or SLA. I have no problem running another profile to play them, if it is needed, or starting a clean save with only the mods they require, and they can be a lot of fun.

Personally, I don't want to use different profiles (which is also the core reason why I have no use for MO). As in not ever. I want to install my perfect set of favourite mods and roll them them 100% of the time. I guess that's why I am dreaming of a state where all my favorite mods would be perfectly compatible with each other. If a mod is not compatible with the ones I am already using, I won't install it. It's why I never tried ME yet, despite I'd really want to. It looks like a very awesome mod!

   4. Why is ME singled out to be stomped on for not making DDI, and SLA a dependency ?.... It just seems like some sort of bullying tactic, and I find it just a bit mean.

>>>> is it not zairas Mod, are they not allowed to mod in any fashion they want ?

   Why is this mod being so singled out ?

   It all seems not right to me.

Hold on for a second! This comment seems to be aimed at me, and I am not quite sure when I ordered Zaira to use DDI. I did NO such thing! The only thing I did is asking Zaira why s/he doesn't want to use DDI. If a mod that otherwise would be a prime candidate for using a framework I am maintaining doesn't want to use it, is it really so evil and mean to ask for the reasons? Because if there are any compelling reasons why BDSM themed mods don't want to use the framework provided for creating exactly that kind of mods, there might be aspects about DDI we need to think about changing or adding. That's all. My question got answered, and that's it.

Would I be happy to see all larger BDSM mods use DDI? Yes.

Do I think it would be in everyone's best interest to do so? Yes.

Would I be -personally- happy to be able to play and enjoy ME without it clashing with the other mods I am using? Yes.

Do I force anyone to use DDI or rewrite their mods to my liking? HELL, NO!!!

I had no idea that I and the suggestions I am making here are getting perceived as an unfriendly act of bullying against other modders. That's NOT my intention. But I suppose it's better if I show myself out now, and let Zaira do his/her thing.

If I am going to support DDi I will do it in the Maria Eden way.

Being locked will always be in a context of a quest - it will never be the quest itself.

As I said above, DDI is a framework. It doesn't go ahead and randomly ties up people. That would be Cursed Loot.
Making quests is actually what it's meant to do.

pincopallino · October 13, 2016

I am still waiting for Zaira to fix the events for the bannered mare, i mean the trainer, refs etc. I will not do anything until Zaira helps me. Yesterday i made a bell collar in blender lol. Zaira and Kimy, do you need any tool or any particular item for your mods? I have marvelous designer and substance painter too, i can try to create 3d models for your perversions if you miss something

KristaLemon · October 13, 2016

Maria Eden looks great, but I'm having some problems getting it to run. It appears in my mod menu, but when I select it it's completely blank.

I've run Loot for the order, nothing is yellow or red with NMM.

GameMode=Skyrim

Skyrim.esm=1
Update.esm=1
Dawnguard.esm=1
HearthFires.esm=1
Dragonborn.esm=1
SexLab.esm=1
ZaZAnimationPack.esm=1
Devious Devices - Assets.esm=1
SexLabAroused.esm=1
Devious Devices - Integration.esm=1
daymoyl.esm=1
CreatureFramework.esm=1
BeeingFemale.esm=1
Devious Devices - Expansion.esm=1
ApachiiHair.esm=1
Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm=1
SkyUI.esp=1
FNIS.esp=1
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp=1
XPMSE.esp=1
RaceMenu.esp=1
RaceMenuPlugin.esp=1
SexLabDefeat.esp=1
mslDeviousCaptures.esp=1
EnhancedLightsandFX.esp=1
ELFX - Exteriors.esp=1
xazPrisonOverhaul.esp=1
xazPrisonOverhaul - Patch.esp=1
OBIS.esp=1
DeviouslyHelpless.esp=1
SexLabNudeCreatures.esp=1
SexLabNudeCreaturesDB.esp=1
SexLabNudeCreaturesDG.esp=1
hydra_slavegirls.esp=1
ELFX - Weathers.esp=1
SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp=1
MoreNastyCritters.esp=1
BeeingFemaleBasicAddOn.esp=1
SlaveTats.esp=1
SlaveTatsEventsBridge.esp=1
Deviously Enslaved.esp=1
OBISDB.esp=1
SexLabHorribleHarassment.esp=1
pchs_loansharks.esp=1
SexistGuards.esp=1
Brawl Bugs CE.esp=1
SexLab TDF Aggressive Prostitution.esp=1
Cidhna Mine Expanded.esp=1
HentaiCreatures.esp=1
SexLab More Creatures.esp=1
sanguinesDebauchery.esp=1
METraining & Auctions.esp=1
SimpleSlavery.esp=1
Tame Beast.esp=1
Devious Deviants.esp=1
Maria.esp=1
MF_RadiantProstitution.esp=1
Devious Cidhna.esp=1
SexLab_Dialogues.esp=1
FNISspells.esp=1
SexLab Romance.esp=1
Schlongs of Skyrim.esp=0
SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp=0
SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp=0
UIExtensions.esp=1
weddingdress.esp=1
JaxonzEnhGrab.esp=1

miracula · October 13, 2016

Hi, bravo-very nice done...a new bell...and so clean round (it´s too clean)...in whiterun the only stuff "npcs" produce well - are weapons, .....nothing else ;-) :cool:

I am still waiting for Zaira to fix the events for the bannered mare, i mean the trainer, refs etc. I will not do anything until Zaira helps me. Yesterday i made a bell collar in blender lol. Zaira and Kimy, do you need any tool or any particular item for your mods? I have marvelous designer and substance painter too, i can try to create 3d models for your perversions if you miss something

*Kimy* · October 13, 2016

I am still waiting for Zaira to fix the events for the bannered mare, i mean the trainer, refs etc. I will not do anything until Zaira helps me. Yesterday i made a bell collar in blender lol. Zaira and Kimy, do you need any tool or any particular item for your mods? I have marvelous designer and substance painter too, i can try to create 3d models for your perversions if you miss something

Oh? Now THAT's music to my ears!

I actually happen to have a comprehensive wishlist. I will PM you, in order not to hijack Zaira's thread.

miracula · October 13, 2016

Hi,...

if I use "Loot" - then the game is damaged - this is no joke - NEVER LET "LOOT" onto your load-order...better to take a DICE and do it randomly !!!!

omg, you Need to kick a lot of mods if you want to Play this mod without Problems:....

QUIT the stuff:

DDi

DDe

daymoyl

sexl.defeat

zazPrisOverh

mslDev-Captured

D-Helpless

Dev.Enslaved

Horr.Har.---(has crazy issures)

SimpleSlavery

......

Working LoadOrder:

1. skyrim

2.update

3dawng.

4.heathf.

5.dragonb.

6.-----8 apachiiHairs/(((SGHairs240/350-IS TOP!!!!! but TAKE CARE THAT THAT INSTALLATION IS WORKING FINE, it could Crash during this install and you can reinstall the whole skyrim !!!!!!!!!!! ATTENTIONE !)))

9.SOS

10.HDT heels

11.heel sound

12Creature Frameworks

13 sexlab

14zaz anim.pack (with update!!!)

15(only if needed SL Aroused)

16(only if needed SEXUAL fame)

17DDa

18DDI(not needed here)

19DDex (not needed here)

20daymoyl(not NEEDED/working on MEP!!)

21zzEstrus (you dontneed)

22MiasLair(not hereneeded)

23-xxx PLAYER´s HOMES

27 foxclub

28(all the MEP Interieurs you want to Play inside)

29HighTexturesPack1-3

30DAYMOYL & OLD MARIA EDEN 1.24(DO NOT USE HEREWITH !!!)

31ALL the DEVIOUS MODS (DCLoot, CapturesDreams and so on)

---

33SKYUI

34UIextensions

35AddItemMenu

36XPSME

37SOSraceMenu

38Facelight +

39NPC Overhaul

40SOS

41SOS SAA

42 SOS Shop

43RaceMenuMorphs

44KSHairdos

45KSHAirdos HDT

46 REMODDED ARMOR v. Repl.

47.Remodded A. Dawng.

48.Remodded Armor. Dragonborn

(all 3 in one Package)

49FNIS (Extended Version)

50FNIS spells/creatures

51FNIS sexymoves

52Skyrim Imersive Creatures and DLC2

53TS whipcane (nice Whip-mod)

54SMIMM MERGED (graphics overhaul-very much recommended)

54a------54x: All Graphics-Changers: landscape and Interieur-overhauls: SDO...GC/MSC/WE/WTC...and unbelievable grass if you like....

55REMOVE INTERIEUR FOG

56REVAMPEDEXTERIEUR...

57ENHANCED LIGHTS AND FX (or IMAGINATOR)

58ELFX Enhancer

59ELFX Exterieurs

60ELFX Weathers

61MOD Whiterun

62(all your new/extra armor here)

63 Dance mods if you like them (but only choose one!!)

(Place Maria Eden Prost here best !!!!!)

64RACE MENU (important)

65RACE MENU PLUGIN (last one)

Note: A loadorder does not Show the whole installed mods...there can be stuff that is not displayed for example the Skeleton, Papyrus and others

NOTE 2: This is fully working without any artefacts or load Errors, (naturally most of you have different working Setups) and: let NASTiiii Critters 9.xx away from the System ...it causes dramatic loading issures (maybe only with one of my mods) it´s Framework doesn´t run cleanly and gets the System INSTABIL PERMANENTLY)

Maria Eden looks great, but I'm having some problems getting it to run. It appears in my mod menu, but when I select it it's completely blank.

I've run Loot for the order, nothing is yellow or red with NMM.

GameMode=Skyrim

Skyrim.esm=1
Update.esm=1
Dawnguard.esm=1
HearthFires.esm=1
Dragonborn.esm=1
SexLab.esm=1
ZaZAnimationPack.esm=1
Devious Devices - Assets.esm=1
SexLabAroused.esm=1
Devious Devices - Integration.esm=1
daymoyl.esm=1
CreatureFramework.esm=1
BeeingFemale.esm=1
Devious Devices - Expansion.esm=1
ApachiiHair.esm=1
Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm=1
SkyUI.esp=1
FNIS.esp=1
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp=1
XPMSE.esp=1
RaceMenu.esp=1
RaceMenuPlugin.esp=1
SexLabDefeat.esp=1
mslDeviousCaptures.esp=1
EnhancedLightsandFX.esp=1
ELFX - Exteriors.esp=1
xazPrisonOverhaul.esp=1
xazPrisonOverhaul - Patch.esp=1
OBIS.esp=1
DeviouslyHelpless.esp=1
SexLabNudeCreatures.esp=1
SexLabNudeCreaturesDB.esp=1
SexLabNudeCreaturesDG.esp=1
hydra_slavegirls.esp=1
ELFX - Weathers.esp=1
SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp=1
MoreNastyCritters.esp=1
BeeingFemaleBasicAddOn.esp=1
SlaveTats.esp=1
SlaveTatsEventsBridge.esp=1
Deviously Enslaved.esp=1
OBISDB.esp=1
SexLabHorribleHarassment.esp=1
pchs_loansharks.esp=1
SexistGuards.esp=1
Brawl Bugs CE.esp=1
SexLab TDF Aggressive Prostitution.esp=1
Cidhna Mine Expanded.esp=1
HentaiCreatures.esp=1
SexLab More Creatures.esp=1
sanguinesDebauchery.esp=1
METraining & Auctions.esp=1
SimpleSlavery.esp=1
Tame Beast.esp=1
Devious Deviants.esp=1
Maria.esp=1
MF_RadiantProstitution.esp=1
Devious Cidhna.esp=1
SexLab_Dialogues.esp=1
FNISspells.esp=1
SexLab Romance.esp=1
Schlongs of Skyrim.esp=0
SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp=0
SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp=0
UIExtensions.esp=1
weddingdress.esp=1
JaxonzEnhGrab.esp=1

pincopallino · October 13, 2016

Hi,...

if I use "Loot" - then the game is damaged - this is no joke - NEVER LET "LOOT" onto your load-order...better to take a DICE and do it randomly !!!!

omg, you Need to kick a lot of mods if you want to Play this mod without Problems:....

Maria Eden looks great, but I'm having some problems getting it to run. It appears in my mod menu, but when I select it it's completely blank.

I've run Loot for the order, nothing is yellow or red with NMM.

GameMode=Skyrim

Skyrim.esm=1

Update.esm=1

Dawnguard.esm=1

HearthFires.esm=1

Dragonborn.esm=1

SexLab.esm=1

ZaZAnimationPack.esm=1

Devious Devices - Assets.esm=1

SexLabAroused.esm=1

Devious Devices - Integration.esm=1

daymoyl.esm=1

CreatureFramework.esm=1

BeeingFemale.esm=1

Devious Devices - Expansion.esm=1

ApachiiHair.esm=1

Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm=1

SkyUI.esp=1

FNIS.esp=1

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp=1

XPMSE.esp=1

RaceMenu.esp=1

RaceMenuPlugin.esp=1

SexLabDefeat.esp=1

mslDeviousCaptures.esp=1

EnhancedLightsandFX.esp=1

ELFX - Exteriors.esp=1

xazPrisonOverhaul.esp=1

xazPrisonOverhaul - Patch.esp=1

OBIS.esp=1

DeviouslyHelpless.esp=1

SexLabNudeCreatures.esp=1

SexLabNudeCreaturesDB.esp=1

SexLabNudeCreaturesDG.esp=1

hydra_slavegirls.esp=1

ELFX - Weathers.esp=1

SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp=1

MoreNastyCritters.esp=1

BeeingFemaleBasicAddOn.esp=1

SlaveTats.esp=1

SlaveTatsEventsBridge.esp=1

Deviously Enslaved.esp=1

OBISDB.esp=1

SexLabHorribleHarassment.esp=1

pchs_loansharks.esp=1

SexistGuards.esp=1

Brawl Bugs CE.esp=1

SexLab TDF Aggressive Prostitution.esp=1

Cidhna Mine Expanded.esp=1

HentaiCreatures.esp=1

SexLab More Creatures.esp=1

sanguinesDebauchery.esp=1

METraining & Auctions.esp=1

SimpleSlavery.esp=1

Tame Beast.esp=1

Devious Deviants.esp=1

Maria.esp=1

MF_RadiantProstitution.esp=1

Devious Cidhna.esp=1

SexLab_Dialogues.esp=1

FNISspells.esp=1

SexLab Romance.esp=1

Schlongs of Skyrim.esp=0

SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp=0

SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp=0

UIExtensions.esp=1

weddingdress.esp=1

JaxonzEnhGrab.esp=1

Modded Skyrim is a complex thing, i have 250 esp in my load order, i use loot but i customize the order settings for some mods with the the "load after xxx". I have no problem this way but it requires time and a bit of knowledge, gained throught experience and blasphemy and never add mods and launch loot mid game.

KristaLemon · October 13, 2016

Ah rats, well I guess I'll have to hold off until my next run through of Skyrim. This is actually my first playthrough, I probably should just enjoy what I have for now. Thanks for the advice.

miracula · October 13, 2016

I honestly tell it again...don´t touch your game files with LOOT...LOOT has no System for sexlab mods...RANDOMLY pushing the parts like balls around...DO it once by Hand...it costs 20 mins-anyway-do how you like

SassaAria · October 13, 2016

Few more cents from another ME fan.

Been following this mod-compatibility conversation from the beginning.

(1) Am very grateful this mod exists. It has a feminine slant that is hard to find, and the variety is more interesting and unique to me than most.

(The quick outfit definition or poses etc are worth their weight in gold alone, nevermind the scripted storylines)

(Did I mention I love the VoiceActing? I'd support more of this.)

This all Translates into another voice supporting Zaira's creative choices. (not that Zaira needs it, but hopefully enjoys the appreciation)

(2) Am also grateful to Kimy for her contributions, and that this convo happened.

The resulting back and forth helped me understand much more the intricacies of ME and spots of incompatibilities with other SL mods, or other scripted mods.

This was important because I prefer approaching ME alot like Kimy, trying to make all my preferred mods work together.

I do a manual install for all my mods (I'm near 250 limit - MergePlugins here we come), so that "MO profiles" aren't as easy to implement and use.

(And do have a paid for legal copy. Just prefer the control/understanding I have with manual install).

(3) Also worth mentionning, that am grateful for the regulars here that help with the day to day answering of all the ME-related questions and adding new twists to the convo. Cookies for you all

Concluding as a ME fan/player

After this conversation, I see that without a well-built bridge & patch mod, will have to do without SLAR and DDseries, etc unless Zaira sees a direct benefit for integrating.

I'm going to have to adapt. I think ME is worth it.

carnifex · October 13, 2016

SassaAria · October 13, 2016

iwouldbesohappy.jpg

LOL. Sometimes a picture is worth a 1,000 words.

*galgat* · October 13, 2016

I feel the need to clarify a few things here:

1. I like DDI, I like all the mods that DDI has built around it, they are very fun, but they all do the same thing pretty much.

       I have have done the arm-binder struggle, the MUmmmmmpht!, MUmmmm!, MUmmmm,MUmmmm!, MUmmmm, MUmmmmmpht! 20 to 30 times, and more, some times a lot more in a lot of mods, and sometimes the DDI modder makes the Stuggle MOOT!, and they have for the most part all been a lot of fun.

DDI A. Lock me Up

DDI B. lock me up, and send me to some remote area, and tell me to make my way back.

DDI C. Lock me up, and lose the key.

DDI D. Lock me up, and tell me to go get something from some terrible dungeon in this condition restrained, and helpless condition.. And when I get out, tell me to do it again, but let's go to a different dungeon this time.

DDI itself doesn't do any of the above. It's a middleware tool for modders: It just provides an API and convenient means to create mods that do that. Nobody will get tied up from just having DDI in their load order.

I said "I like all the mods that DDI has built around it, they are very fun," I do not think I pointed directly at DDI, only the mods that use it.

2. Maria Eden Prostitution is very refreshing to me, as it is different, and it plays for me very, very well, as long as I follow the recommendations of the Mod maker ( zaira), as in no DDI, avoid SLA, and so on...

ME for me is like stepping into a different world, where things work differently, and is for me

    I would not mind more modders deciding to create there own style, there own Mod, and there own Idea of bondage, and if I have to start another Profile in Mod organizer to play it, well so Be it.

           [ I often wonder ]

{ I would speculate that a lot of people avoid MO, because MO is very strict about allowing you to play unless you have steam up. People that play hacked games will not like this, MO will be troublesome to get going unless they are pretty savvy at re-coding some area's of it.

   However NMM does not check much of anything, so when I see people avoiding MO, I wonder sometime why. There are good reasons for avoiding it, for modding, but not so much for playing games }

That's very off topic, but the notion that the only reason not to use MO is a pirated Skyrim copy is a tad insulting. Like -many- Skyrim users and modders, I don't use MO. And my copy of Skyrim is very much NOT pirated, thank you. I don't use MO because I don't like or need it. It makes things more complicated without offering me anything in return I want or need. As someone said in another thread, it's like using a dump truck to move a pebble. I know from previous discussions with MO fans that they have a hard time to understand why someone can NOT love MO, but it doesn't change the fact that many do not. In my case it's because I have no need for its features. See below.

I said "I would speculate that a lot of people avoid MO, because MO is very strict about allowing you to play unless you have steam up."..... If you have no reason to feel guilty? Why even look at this twice ?

3. So I personally am very happy with DDI, and DDI mods, But I am also very happy with ME, and Defeat, Haunted House, The Sisterhood of Dibella, From the Deeps, The Animal Mansion, and others that don't need DDI or SLA. I have no problem running another profile to play them, if it is needed, or starting a clean save with only the mods they require, and they can be a lot of fun.

Personally, I don't want to use different profiles (which is also the core reason why I have no use for MO). As in not ever. I want to install my perfect set of favourite mods and roll them them 100% of the time. I guess that's why I am dreaming of a state where all my favorite mods would be perfectly compatible with each other. If a mod is not compatible with the ones I am already using, I won't install it. It's why I never tried ME yet, despite I'd really want to. It looks like a very awesome mod!

I have no problem running another profile to play them, if it is needed, or starting a clean save with only the mods they require, and they can be a lot of fun.

   4. Why is ME singled out to be stomped on for not making DDI, and SLA a dependency ?.... It just seems like some sort of bullying tactic, and I find it just a bit mean.

>>>> is it not zairas Mod, are they not allowed to mod in any fashion they want ?

   Why is this mod being so singled out ?

   It all seems not right to me.

Hold on for a second! This comment seems to be aimed at me, and I am not quite sure when I ordered Zaira to use DDI. I did NO such thing! The only thing I did is asking Zaira why s/he doesn't want to use DDI. If a mod that otherwise would be a prime candidate for using a framework I am maintaining doesn't want to use it, is it really so evil and mean to ask for the reasons? Because if there are any compelling reasons why BDSM themed mods don't want to use the framework provided for creating exactly that kind of mods, there might be aspects about DDI we need to think about changing or adding. That's all. My question got answered, and that's it.

Would I be happy to see all larger BDSM mods use DDI? Yes.

Do I think it would be in everyone's best interest to do so? Yes.

Would I be -personally- happy to be able to play and enjoy ME without it clashing with the other mods I am using? Yes.

Do I force anyone to use DDI or rewrite their mods to my liking? HELL, NO!!!

I had no idea that I and the suggestions I am making here are getting perceived as an unfriendly act of bullying against other modders. That's NOT my intention. But I suppose it's better if I show myself out now, and let Zaira do his/her thing.

   Why even explain, do you feel guilty ?

I have seen this before about ME, it is not new stuff, back through the threads in both ME slavery, and ME prostitution it has come up often, you are not nearly the first to do that, and you do not need to think that it was directed at you, that is just silly.



    My point was that many posts over the last several pages interrupted this forum thread so much, that it is possible that many legitimate questions were maybe, over looked, because this little debate has gone on for some time..

    many things were said as to how There was not reason why ME should not allow SLA, why DDI should not be supported by it. They were not all said by you, but you seem to feel that way, or think they were, is there any reason for that ? I personally don't think so.

Main thing is this is zairas Mod, and he or she is entitled to make it in what ever way they want ?

I will be happy with it either way, but I am very fine with it being just a little different from all the rest. I would also because it is such and innovative mod, be very happy with it, if it managed to become workable with SLA, and DDI.

Also as I use MO I very, very seldom mix SL Mods of any kind, unless they are dependency's. I am different in that way, I prefer to play each mod, mostly by it's self.

Every once in awhile I will combine mod's, but not often.

Much of this is done because I like testing mods, and learning from them, and I find I can be very much more accurate in trouble shooting problems if I play them solo, and I just prefer to focus on one mod at a time.

Right now I am testing CD, and quite a few DDI mods, and ME-P, as well as SLV ( Shout like a virgin ), all of these in there own profile, Isolated from all other mods, except clothing mods, and the mods dependency's. I have a blast with all of them. The Idea's that modders come up with, always amaze me.

*galgat* · October 13, 2016

hmmm anyone know what option it is to reset an npc? Back to their original role? i made a mistake an made hualda in banner mare a pimp for some npc's i had their and it broke her whore job questline so i deleted all the jasons reinstalled mod, cleaned save an everything an she is still registered as a pimp and says she has one whore but there isn't any whores anymore.

I think in the cheat menu, just clicking free player, I think that is the name of the command will normally return the "Would you like to spend time with me" or how ever it is said.

If that is your problem

Some times you may have a Whore job "Quest " stuck also, and this can also be fixed in the cheat menu, but be careful, and don't end you prostitution quest... Unless you want to

*Kimy* · October 13, 2016

I feel the need to clarify a few things here:

That's very off topic, but the notion that the only reason not to use MO is a pirated Skyrim copy is a tad insulting. Like -many- Skyrim users and modders, I don't use MO. And my copy of Skyrim is very much NOT pirated, thank you. I don't use MO because I don't like or need it. It makes things more complicated without offering me anything in return I want or need. As someone said in another thread, it's like using a dump truck to move a pebble. I know from previous discussions with MO fans that they have a hard time to understand why someone can NOT love MO, but it doesn't change the fact that many do not. In my case it's because I have no need for its features. See below.

I said "I would speculate that a lot of people avoid MO, because MO is very strict about allowing you to play unless you have steam up."..... If you have no reason to feel guilty? Why even look at this twice ?

Your "speculation" still put out a blanket assumption/accusation that people don't use MO only because they pirated Skyrim and there is otherwise no good reason to. I will tell you what: I am SICK of the MO crowd and their cult-like habit of telling everyone not using this overhyped and overcomplicated tool that they must be either stupid, or a software pirate or otherwise deplorable. That's why I reacted to this stupid, ignorant and rude statement of yours the way I did, and still do.

   4. Why is ME singled out to be stomped on for not making DDI, and SLA a dependency ?.... It just seems like some sort of bullying tactic, and I find it just a bit mean.

>>>> is it not zairas Mod, are they not allowed to mod in any fashion they want ?

   Why is this mod being so singled out ?

   It all seems not right to me.

Hold on for a second! This comment seems to be aimed at me, and I am not quite sure when I ordered Zaira to use DDI. I did NO such thing! The only thing I did is asking Zaira why s/he doesn't want to use DDI. If a mod that otherwise would be a prime candidate for using a framework I am maintaining doesn't want to use it, is it really so evil and mean to ask for the reasons? Because if there are any compelling reasons why BDSM themed mods don't want to use the framework provided for creating exactly that kind of mods, there might be aspects about DDI we need to think about changing or adding. That's all. My question got answered, and that's it.

Would I be happy to see all larger BDSM mods use DDI? Yes.

Do I think it would be in everyone's best interest to do so? Yes.

Would I be -personally- happy to be able to play and enjoy ME without it clashing with the other mods I am using? Yes.

Do I force anyone to use DDI or rewrite their mods to my liking? HELL, NO!!!

I had no idea that I and the suggestions I am making here are getting perceived as an unfriendly act of bullying against other modders. That's NOT my intention. But I suppose it's better if I show myself out now, and let Zaira do his/her thing.

   Why even explain, do you feel guilty ?

I have seen this before about ME, it is not new stuff, back through the threads in both ME slavery, and ME prostitution it has come up often, you are not nearly the first to do that, and you do not need to think that it was directed at you, that is just silly.



    My point was that many posts over the last several pages interrupted this forum thread so much, that it is possible that many legitimate questions were maybe, over looked, because this little debate has gone on for some time..

    many things were said as to how There was not reason why ME should not allow SLA, why DDI should not be supported by it. They were not all said by you, but you seem to feel that way, or think they were, is there any reason for that ? I personally don't think so.

As I said, I was curious about why ME isn't using DDI or SLA. Because it's quite relevant to the person maintaining DDI, don't you think? No, I don't feel guilty for doing that, because I don't think I was being rude, or a bully or otherwise impolite about it. But I do feel accused by you for asking a question pretty much everybody in position would probably ask. Nobody but me was arguing DDI/ME compatibility issues over the past few pages, so please don't go ahead and try telling me that this wasn't a stab at me, when it quite obviously was. Guess what? I am aware of the fact that this is Zaira's mod, believe it or not!

If you want to continue this debate (I am not keen on it personally), I'd suggest taking it to PM, because in contrast to the question I asked Zaira, THIS is really not relevant to ME.

fred200 · October 13, 2016

Rule of thumb: If we get up to four colors on comments and replies - that discussion has been going on too long.

Or at least include a color key to show speaker and order. But better to just end it.

*zaira* · October 14, 2016

I am still waiting for Zaira to fix the events for the bannered mare, i mean the trainer, refs etc. I will not do anything until Zaira helps me. Yesterday i made a bell collar in blender lol. Zaira and Kimy, do you need any tool or any particular item for your mods? I have marvelous designer and substance painter too, i can try to create 3d models for your perversions if you miss something

Sorry - but I am busy with finalizing next release - so it still takes some time. As brothel and for the fuck toy quest it shall work out of the box.

Regarding new toys: I appreciate new toys - but I recommend to concentrate on things that are rare. There are lots of restraints but only very few painful toys like nipple clamps.

I would like to see more clamps - nipple clamps with chains, pussy clamps, body clamps and additionally spiked collars, spiked dildos.

If you definitely want to make restraints - I would like to see less clumpy cuffs (of course with HDT chains). The cowbell collar looks great

And we need more whips...

By the way: I would prefer UUNP...

Oh: and we need more furnitures - gallows, locked chairs, gibbets with spikes, gymno chairs

pincopallino · October 14, 2016

I am still waiting for Zaira to fix the events for the bannered mare, i mean the trainer, refs etc. I will not do anything until Zaira helps me. Yesterday i made a bell collar in blender lol. Zaira and Kimy, do you need any tool or any particular item for your mods? I have marvelous designer and substance painter too, i can try to create 3d models for your perversions if you miss something

Sorry - but I am busy with finalizing next release - so it still takes some time. As brothel and for the fuck toy quest it shall work out of the box.

Regarding new toys: I appreciate new toys - but I recommend to concentrate on things that are rare. There are lots of restraints but only very few painful toys like nipple clamps.

I would like to see more clamps - nipple clamps with chains, pussy clamps, body clamps and additionally spiked collars, spiked dildos.

If you definitely want to make restraints - I would like to see less clumpy cuffs (of course with HDT chains). The cowbell collar looks great

And we need more whips...

By the way: I would prefer UUNP...

Oh: and we need more furnitures - gallows, locked chairs, gibbets with spikes, gymno chairs

While you complete the next realease i will give an hand to Kimy to make an hobble skirt. The body is not a problem, UUNP, CBBE or whatever you want, i use bodyslide, blender and other tools, i can modify the meshes.

miracula · October 14, 2016

There´s a (zbf) cane, the Cat-o-nine, a crop and a paddle as part of DDa / zaz (in MEP i see only the cane in use)

If I place that devices (as weapons) into the building, they should (made) be use-able (scan-able) - and I placed them wisely.

This devices should be able to be used randomly or for their special job like they are used in real by the SM-Scene.

If sombody is interested in that sword: It´s the "test-vorpal-sword" , high-"effective" sword-weapon in skyrim. That sword is laying in the Dragonsreach behind the old door downstairs, (kitchen - area) where you can talk with the "whispering Lady"- after you get the "D.-quest", if once ready, you obtain this sword with an interesting property: the force of the blade is increasing by use/treatment, ...and when this sword is on it´s top-Level, (after a lot of time and kills) you have this "one-hit-killer"!

Another Whip: (on loverslab) TS_WhipCane0-2.7

You can choose from These 4 (zbf) Whips, so.

October 14, 2016

@zaira & @pincopallino - Your also missing an "iron maiden" torture device which came from the medieval period. Would one of those "devices" fit in the lore of this mod and/or Skyrim?

The maiden could be probably be classes a "deadly" type device as the occupant would eventually die - most likely slowly painfully over a long period of time (if done in a sadisc manner a period of days). It would need to be an animated interactive dynamic device - more run once papyrus source code - so the torturous death can occur. The iron maiden would be lockable either directly and/or during a scripted scene (player controls disabled) to prevent escape.

For the modeller here's some pictures of Iron Maidens to choose from when modelling it:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Iron_Maiden_(torture)

So if the device is chosen feel free to give credit for the idea.

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