Maria Eden

[Darthk]

 

 

 

Hi guys.  I didn't see an answer to this when I browsed through the old posts, so if I'm asking a repeat question, my apologies in advance.

 

I understand that Maria Eden has blocked gag-dialogue- whenever you try to speak, you get "I beg your pardon?" even if you have successfully navigated any of the other, many gag minigames from mods like Cursed Loot.  Is there any way to disable this feature that I have missed?

 

Thanks for any help you can provide!

 

Even if this feature would be disabled, ME and DD/DCL would still be very, very incompatible. You have to decide between ME and the DD family of mods. They cannot be in the same load order without stuff breaking left and right.

 

 

Unfortunately that's right. Next ME will no longer recognize DD items at all. It will be completely based on Zaz and Zep item mechanics.

I suppose the DD family mods introduce an own handling for Zaz items so there will be conflicts - for example it will happen that sex scenes are triggered although the actor wears a chastity belt.

 

I don't have the time and the resources to minimize the conflicts - and additionally I don't want to adapt ME because I don't like the restrictive and intrusive item mechanics and SLA dependencies in DD mods.

 

Zep and Zaz adds some shadow copies of the most important DD items with all keywords that are needed. If you want to play ME I recommend to install DD but disable all it's esp files. If you think some items are missing, ask me and I may add them as shadow copies to Zep.

 

 

 

ZAZ and ZEP items are ugly. they can never replace DDa and e . there is a mod called " Non-devious devices (sorry my links never work), which uses DDe without any keyword and functionality. they are simply great looking clothes.

 

i dont believe that anybody Plays with DDi for longer than half an hour. this mod forbids and disables any Action, so why should anybody "Plays" with it, what Play shall that be ? running around in chains, get beaten by wolves , making hmmm hmm hmmm to npcs, oh great fun yeah.

 

 

 

One of my many playthroughs I play on a profile with mod organizer all of the DD mods including DDi and I have zero problems from beginning to end, its difficult but do able and no problem with being used for sex by all male characters while I'm going places with my female character which mind you doesn't bother me and mind you I have beaten the game 3 times before with Various mods that restrain you along side the DD mods including DDi and I have 3 followers who help with the combat when my character is restrained, and I wouldn't be surprised if there were others who have beaten the game while restrained

[darthkhan]

So in the next Maria Eden update we have to uninstall the devious devices mods

[nameless701]

Hallo zusammen!

 

Gibt es eine Möglichkeit irgendwie die Veränderungen zu löschen die ich mit dem Baumeister gemacht habe?

Ich bin nämlich totaler Noob und Anfänger mit Skyrim und hab im Bannered Mare rumprobiert und irgendwie einen unsichtbaren Startpunkt im Keller gesetzt, und lande jetzt jedes mal beim betreten des Gasthauses im Keller.  Im Ordner der StorageUtilData habe ich schon geschaut, finde aber irgendwie nicht was ich da löschen müsste. Hab da schon den MariaBuilder Ordner Leer gemacht, aber das brachte nichts, das Mod neu installieren brachte auch nix. 

 

Was kann ich tun, außer das ganze Spiel & Mods neu zu installieren? Ist nämlich echt ne blöde Arbeit bei z.Z. 112 Mods. 

 

 

P.S. Die Mod ist SUUUUUUUUUUPERGEIL   Würde mich gern erkenntlich zeigen irgendwie

 

Das Löschen der json-files im Builder-Ordner ist schon richtig,nur muß man dann ein neues Spiel starten,da die ME-Änderungen ja auch in den Spielständen gespeichert sind.

[NaughtySeranity]

 

Hallo zusammen!

 

Gibt es eine Möglichkeit irgendwie die Veränderungen zu löschen die ich mit dem Baumeister gemacht habe?

Ich bin nämlich totaler Noob und Anfänger mit Skyrim und hab im Bannered Mare rumprobiert und irgendwie einen unsichtbaren Startpunkt im Keller gesetzt, und lande jetzt jedes mal beim betreten des Gasthauses im Keller.  Im Ordner der StorageUtilData habe ich schon geschaut, finde aber irgendwie nicht was ich da löschen müsste. Hab da schon den MariaBuilder Ordner Leer gemacht, aber das brachte nichts, das Mod neu installieren brachte auch nix. 

 

Was kann ich tun, außer das ganze Spiel & Mods neu zu installieren? Ist nämlich echt ne blöde Arbeit bei z.Z. 112 Mods. 

 

 

P.S. Die Mod ist SUUUUUUUUUUPERGEIL   Würde mich gern erkenntlich zeigen irgendwie

 

Das Löschen der json-files im Builder-Ordner ist schon richtig,nur muß man dann ein neues Spiel starten,da die ME-Änderungen ja auch in den Spielständen gespeichert sind.

 

 

Meh... Doof...      Aber Danke für die Antwort.    

[astor]

So in the next Maria Eden update we have to uninstall the devious devices mods

Hope not because i don't want to lose SD+.

[shiagwen]

I took a break over the Christmas / New year holidays.  Now I am back modding - fixing the quests one after another...

Dunno when I am finished - maybe in this month...

 

.......

 

 

So in the next Maria Eden update we have to uninstall the devious devices mods

Hope not because i don't want to lose SD+.

 

 

You Play SD+ and ME together ? Tell me how. in my game i would not be able to enter the game after the first logout. i have to select a working save to enter game with ME installed with no other SL mod, and this does not work often.

 

[astor]

 

I took a break over the Christmas / New year holidays.  Now I am back modding - fixing the quests one after another...

Dunno when I am finished - maybe in this month...

 

.......

 

 

So in the next Maria Eden update we have to uninstall the devious devices mods

Hope not because i don't want to lose SD+.

 

 

You Play SD+ and ME together ? Tell me how. in my game i would not be able to enter the game after the first logout. i have to select a working save to enter game with ME installed with no other SL mod, and this does not work often.

 

 

 

I've only just started a game with this mod installed so i don't know if they'll actually work together, but so far i've not seen any issues connected with having this mod installed.

[Kimy]

So in the next Maria Eden update we have to uninstall the devious devices mods

 

I guess it needs again to be stated very clearly so that ME and the DD family of mods are INCOMPATIBLE ALREADY. Not as in "they will be", but as in "they are incompatible NOW."  You can NOT have ME and DDI (which is the basis for almost every single DD mod) in the same load order. Stuff is guaranteed to break and support requests will be posted.

 

Zaira has made it clear time and again that DD compatibility is not something he's going to work on. And for the DD team I can say that we're not going to work around the issues on our end either (and it's not that we realistically could fix all of them on our end anyway, even if we wanted to). So this will not change. Not now. Not ever. You have to decide to use either ME or any DD mod.

 

I know that there is this misconception that because ME and DD are both bondage mods, they'd be compatible with each other, but they are just not. Zaira chose to implement his own bondage mechanics for reasons that are his own, and ANY mod doing that will be automatically incompatible with DD, because the devices will be unaware of each other. DD was created to address that exact issue, but it's up to each modder creating BDSM mods to use it or not.

[astor]

So, as a person that has only just discovered this mod, what are the repercussions of running this with DD-I, -A, and -E.  I really like SD+ (so far), so if running this with the various DD mods will break my game, i'd like to know.  If it's just minor inconsistencies and the like, i expect i'll keep running them at least until such time as i find myself convinced of this mod's superiority.  

[krighaur]

Sorry to contradict most people but you CAN HAVE ME and DD mods in your load order!

 

I started a game with ME, SD+, SL Hormones, DCL, PO and Slaverun in my load order. I am actually level 35, and my character has just finished the Slaverun enslavement.

 

I have no real problem except I remove via console the devious devices when they break a quest : for example if my PC is gagged (often via DCL) and I must talk to a quest NPC, I remove the gag.

When I am in the mood to play a Maria whore, I disable some DCL features, which I reenable when I have finished the whoring.

When I am enslaved through Death alternative and SD+, it's almost allways when fighing in the wilderness or in dungeons, so there are no problem with ME.

 

Indeed sometimes I have to make a choice about what I want to do, but other than that, I have no CTD, no things broken that cannot be resolved with the console.

 

 

 

 

[carnifex]

So, as a person that has only just discovered this mod, what are the repercussions of running this with DD-I, -A, and -E.  I really like SD+ (so far), so if running this with the various DD mods will break my game, i'd like to know.  If it's just minor inconsistencies and the like, i expect i'll keep running them at least until such time as i find myself convinced of this mod's superiority.  

It will break your game seven ways to Sunday. Don't even bother trying.

 

Get Mod Organizer instead, and make one profile for playing with ME, and another for playing with DD-family mods. You can then switch between playthroughs and mod configurations with just a couple clicks. This way, you never have to choose

[rjn]

Sorry to contradict most people but you CAN HAVE ME and DD mods in your load order!

 

I started a game with ME, SD+, SL Hormones, DCL, PO and Slaverun in my load order. I am actually level 35, and my character has just finished the Slaverun enslavement.

 

I have no real problem except I remove via console the devious devices when they break a quest : for example if my PC is gagged (often via DCL) and I must talk to a quest NPC, I remove the gag.

When I am in the mood to play a Maria whore, I disable some DCL features, which I reenable when I have finished the whoring.

When I am enslaved through Death alternative and SD+, it's almost allways when fighing in the wilderness or in dungeons, so there are no problem with ME.

 

Indeed sometimes I have to make a choice about what I want to do, but other than that, I have no CTD, no things broken that cannot be resolved with the console.

 

I completely agree with you.  I've played multiple times with DD mods and ME together all the way through Dragonborn.  My interpretation of "incompatible" would be it causes crashes or prevents any progress, and in that sense it's not incompatible.  I do like you and deactivate/reactivate mods as I go and rarely use the console.

 

Might as well say that DD mods are incompatible with the main quest (can't shout with a gag for the Greybeards -- can't strip down and wear the "Party clothes" to the Embassy when DD equipped -- can't run fast enough with boots for the "Horn of Jurgen Windcaller" quest).

[GeorgiaCav]

ME and SD+/DDi are incompatible, but they can be played together.

 

The problem will arise when restraints get applied to you that *cannot* be removed without resort to cheating, either through ME's cheat menu, through the console, through some other mod like DD-Equip, or a combination of all of the above.

 

It took (and is still taking) a lot of trial and error for me, but I'm running SD+ and its dependencies right alongside ME. The price I pay is that every so often, I must use console commands to unequip restraints, or remove my character from one slave faction or another. If this break in immersion is something you can tolerate, you should be able to do the same thing on any system capable of running Skyrim + mods.

 

Some of it does seem to be hardware related. I have a desktop with a GeForce 760 that struggles not to crash when running my setup of mods. I have a laptop with a 960m that is *much* more stable, and what I use for pretty all of my Skyrim gaming (and most of my gaming, period), and hardly ever crashes at all.

 

Another price is that some quests or other script-dependent events may not trigger or complete correctly. You will need to install a dialogue improvement mod (there are several good ones available) in addition to all the other dependencies. 

 

The good news is that getting everything to run together will teach you quite a bit about how mods work, or at least how to jury-rig a load-order to run what you want. I can't recommend it to anyone who's not willing to suffer quite a bit of frustration and aggravation during the long and mostly self-taught learning process and all its trial and error, but it *is* possible.

 

Just DON'T expect a lot of mercy from the authors when you're running their mods in ways they've clearly recommended against doing. My experience has been that they are very helpful even so, but don't expect someone else to come along and look under the hood of your 200+ .esp LO when it includes mods you've been *warned* won't work together.

[astor]

Well, i made another profile in MO and removed all my DD mods except Slaverun because that one i (think) is less random than SD+ so hopefully i won't run into issues that take console magick to resolve.  

[foreveraloneguy]

Just started using this mod, and quite enjoying some of the options. The only issue I ran into is the same one someone else asked about but didn't get an answer to; after the dialog to "make me the best whore", from the "mariatraining" quest, nothing happens and all NPCs will only respond with "don't talk to me slave" or something to that effect. Any suggestions to get the quest to move forward other than setting the stages from the console?

 

In addition to this question, how do you get jobs as a whore? I took someone via the "May I ask you something" dialog, but now I don't seem to be able to get hired by anyone. Is there a trick I'm missing somewhere?

[Kimy]

Sorry to contradict most people but you CAN HAVE ME and DD mods in your load order!

 

I started a game with ME, SD+, SL Hormones, DCL, PO and Slaverun in my load order. I am actually level 35, and my character has just finished the Slaverun enslavement.

 

I have no real problem except I remove via console the devious devices when they break a quest : for example if my PC is gagged (often via DCL) and I must talk to a quest NPC, I remove the gag.

When I am in the mood to play a Maria whore, I disable some DCL features, which I reenable when I have finished the whoring.

When I am enslaved through Death alternative and SD+, it's almost allways when fighing in the wilderness or in dungeons, so there are no problem with ME.

 

Indeed sometimes I have to make a choice about what I want to do, but other than that, I have no CTD, no things broken that cannot be resolved with the console.

 

Sorry, but you're not contradicting anything. That you can work around some broken things with the console and/or knowing what situations to avoid doesn't mean that you can reasonably say that these mods are compatible in any shape or fashion. They are not. Stuff -will- break. With 100% certainty. Yes, advanced users might to able to resolve -some- of them. But I can guarantee you that some of the possible clashes will not be fixable with the console, and that your savegame hasn't been affected by them YET doesn't mean that these problems aren't there.

 

[krighaur]

 

Sorry to contradict most people but you CAN HAVE ME and DD mods in your load order!

 

I started a game with ME, SD+, SL Hormones, DCL, PO and Slaverun in my load order. I am actually level 35, and my character has just finished the Slaverun enslavement.

 

I have no real problem except I remove via console the devious devices when they break a quest : for example if my PC is gagged (often via DCL) and I must talk to a quest NPC, I remove the gag.

When I am in the mood to play a Maria whore, I disable some DCL features, which I reenable when I have finished the whoring.

When I am enslaved through Death alternative and SD+, it's almost allways when fighing in the wilderness or in dungeons, so there are no problem with ME.

 

Indeed sometimes I have to make a choice about what I want to do, but other than that, I have no CTD, no things broken that cannot be resolved with the console.

 

Sorry, but you're not contradicting anything. That you can work around some broken things with the console and/or knowing what situations to avoid doesn't mean that you can reasonably say that these mods are compatible in any shape or fashion. They are not. Stuff -will- break. With 100% certainty. Yes, advanced users might to able to resolve -some- of them. But I can guarantee you that some of the possible clashes will not be fixable with the console, and that your savegame hasn't been affected by them YET doesn't mean that these problems aren't there.

 

 

 

I started the game with these settings the 23/12/2016, I am still playing with this save. I play with this save between 2 and 4 hours a day, so if my save will broke, admit that it will be after a very, very long playing time.

 

As much as I like your mods, and respect your modding work, I don't agree with your above statement.

 

There are many mods that brake saves more or less quickly, from my game experience I can say that ME+DDi/e is not one of those.

The bad things you predict to my save happen without the addition of ME to a "DDe/i oriented" load order : for example I was never able to have a stable game when I added Being female, same thing with More Nasty Critters and Animal Framework.

 

 

 

 

 

[galgat]

 

So, as a person that has only just discovered this mod, what are the repercussions of running this with DD-I, -A, and -E.  I really like SD+ (so far), so if running this with the various DD mods will break my game, i'd like to know.  If it's just minor inconsistencies and the like, i expect i'll keep running them at least until such time as i find myself convinced of this mod's superiority.  

It will break your game seven ways to Sunday. Don't even bother trying.

 

Get Mod Organizer instead, and make one profile for playing with ME, and another for playing with DD-family mods. You can then switch between playthroughs and mod configurations with just a couple clicks. This way, you never have to choose

 

 

Yeppers ! that is the ticket, I have profiles for DDI, and I have Profiles for ME, and I don't have problems with either of them, I like both play styles, and I am actually glad to drop into a bondage, mod that is not like all the rest.. ME is rather unique, and i like that.

 

   I also like the DDI mods too. It just depends on what type of game play I am seeking when I boot up Skyrim

[astor]

How well does this play with Simple Slavery (i use it with Defeat and Death Alternative)?

[shiagwen]

 

 

Sorry to contradict most people but you CAN HAVE ME and DD mods in your load order!

 

I started a game with ME, SD+, SL Hormones, DCL, PO and Slaverun in my load order. I am actually level 35, and my character has just finished the Slaverun enslavement.

 

I have no real problem except I remove via console the devious devices when they break a quest : for example if my PC is gagged (often via DCL) and I must talk to a quest NPC, I remove the gag.

When I am in the mood to play a Maria whore, I disable some DCL features, which I reenable when I have finished the whoring.

When I am enslaved through Death alternative and SD+, it's almost allways when fighing in the wilderness or in dungeons, so there are no problem with ME.

 

Indeed sometimes I have to make a choice about what I want to do, but other than that, I have no CTD, no things broken that cannot be resolved with the console.

 

Sorry, but you're not contradicting anything. That you can work around some broken things with the console and/or knowing what situations to avoid doesn't mean that you can reasonably say that these mods are compatible in any shape or fashion. They are not. Stuff -will- break. With 100% certainty. Yes, advanced users might to able to resolve -some- of them. But I can guarantee you that some of the possible clashes will not be fixable with the console, and that your savegame hasn't been affected by them YET doesn't mean that these problems aren't there.

 

 

 

I started the game with these settings the 23/12/2016, I am still playing with this save. I play with this save between 2 and 4 hours a day, so if my save will broke, admit that it will be after a very, very long playing time.

 

As much as I like your mods, and respect your modding work, I don't agree with your above statement.

 

There are many mods that brake saves more or less quickly, from my game experience I can say that ME+DDi/e is not one of those.

The bad things you predict to my save happen without the addition of ME to a "DDe/i oriented" load order : for example I was never able to have a stable game when I added Being female, same thing with More Nasty Critters and Animal Framework.

 

 

how do you handle dog and horse without mopre nasty critters?

 

[Teddar]

 

Just started using this mod, and quite enjoying some of the options. The only issue I ran into is the same one someone else asked about but didn't get an answer to; after the dialog to "make me the best whore", from the "mariatraining" quest, nothing happens and all NPCs will only respond with "don't talk to me slave" or something to that effect. Any suggestions to get the quest to move forward other than setting the stages from the console?

 

In addition to this question, how do you get jobs as a whore? I took someone via the "May I ask you something" dialog, but now I don't seem to be able to get hired by anyone. Is there a trick I'm missing somewhere?

 

You need to define (via the MCM menu) and be wearing "Whore" clothes for a start. If you have already done that, make sure that when you examine the outfit it is defined as whore clothes. If it isnt, use the fix option in the MCM. You might also want to use the builder spell to define an NPC in the cell as a Pimp. That way you can work for them and you'll get as many jobs per hour as is defined in the MCM. I have previously successfully worked without a pimp just by wearing the correct outfit but i dont think that is "as intended" so your mileage may vary. 

[BigOnes69]

How well does this play with Simple Slavery (i use it with Defeat and Death Alternative)?

 

I just use simple slavery and it plays ok sometimes you will have to reload if you enslaved by two mods at once. I no longer use DA or Defeat because of stress on system and saves.

 

[foreveraloneguy]

 

 

Just started using this mod, and quite enjoying some of the options. The only issue I ran into is the same one someone else asked about but didn't get an answer to; after the dialog to "make me the best whore", from the "mariatraining" quest, nothing happens and all NPCs will only respond with "don't talk to me slave" or something to that effect. Any suggestions to get the quest to move forward other than setting the stages from the console?

 

In addition to this question, how do you get jobs as a whore? I took someone via the "May I ask you something" dialog, but now I don't seem to be able to get hired by anyone. Is there a trick I'm missing somewhere?

 

You need to define (via the MCM menu) and be wearing "Whore" clothes for a start. If you have already done that, make sure that when you examine the outfit it is defined as whore clothes. If it isnt, use the fix option in the MCM. You might also want to use the builder spell to define an NPC in the cell as a Pimp. That way you can work for them and you'll get as many jobs per hour as is defined in the MCM. I have previously successfully worked without a pimp just by wearing the correct outfit but i dont think that is "as intended" so your mileage may vary. 

 

 

Thanks very much! So then the next part of the question is  do I solicit johns, or will they  just walk up to me and ask?

[Kimy]

 

 

Sorry to contradict most people but you CAN HAVE ME and DD mods in your load order!

 

I started a game with ME, SD+, SL Hormones, DCL, PO and Slaverun in my load order. I am actually level 35, and my character has just finished the Slaverun enslavement.

 

I have no real problem except I remove via console the devious devices when they break a quest : for example if my PC is gagged (often via DCL) and I must talk to a quest NPC, I remove the gag.

When I am in the mood to play a Maria whore, I disable some DCL features, which I reenable when I have finished the whoring.

When I am enslaved through Death alternative and SD+, it's almost allways when fighing in the wilderness or in dungeons, so there are no problem with ME.

 

Indeed sometimes I have to make a choice about what I want to do, but other than that, I have no CTD, no things broken that cannot be resolved with the console.

 

Sorry, but you're not contradicting anything. That you can work around some broken things with the console and/or knowing what situations to avoid doesn't mean that you can reasonably say that these mods are compatible in any shape or fashion. They are not. Stuff -will- break. With 100% certainty. Yes, advanced users might to able to resolve -some- of them. But I can guarantee you that some of the possible clashes will not be fixable with the console, and that your savegame hasn't been affected by them YET doesn't mean that these problems aren't there.

 

 

 

I started the game with these settings the 23/12/2016, I am still playing with this save. I play with this save between 2 and 4 hours a day, so if my save will broke, admit that it will be after a very, very long playing time.

 

As much as I like your mods, and respect your modding work, I don't agree with your above statement.

 

There are many mods that brake saves more or less quickly, from my game experience I can say that ME+DDi/e is not one of those.

The bad things you predict to my save happen without the addition of ME to a "DDe/i oriented" load order : for example I was never able to have a stable game when I added Being female, same thing with More Nasty Critters and Animal Framework.

 

 

I totally believe you when you say that it worked FOR YOU. SO FAR. But this doesn't mean it's going to work the next time you try it or work for anyone else. It just means that you are both experienced enough to work around the issues AND lucky.

 

Thing is that I know the implementation. I can tell you beyond any doubt that the two code bases are incompatible. But yes, some of the clashes are circumstantial and depend on which mod is doing what and when. I have successfully run POP and DCL in the same load order, despite there are a number of potential clashes between these mods. They are what you call incompatible. But like you, I can produce a really old savegame with both these mods in, that's not broken. Like you, I know when the clashes happen and can avoid them. Or just reload the game when something happens that would break the game later on. That doesn't change the fact that these mods are incompatible.

 

My point was that users should generally not attempt to run these mods together. If you can live with the consequences, fine. I just want to avoid lots and lots of support requests and disappointment when people wrongly assume that these mods could be safely used together. This ME / DD incompatibility regularly becomes a topic in both this thread and DD's, because of people not being aware of that.

[Teddar]

 

 

 

Just started using this mod, and quite enjoying some of the options. The only issue I ran into is the same one someone else asked about but didn't get an answer to; after the dialog to "make me the best whore", from the "mariatraining" quest, nothing happens and all NPCs will only respond with "don't talk to me slave" or something to that effect. Any suggestions to get the quest to move forward other than setting the stages from the console?

 

In addition to this question, how do you get jobs as a whore? I took someone via the "May I ask you something" dialog, but now I don't seem to be able to get hired by anyone. Is there a trick I'm missing somewhere?

 

You need to define (via the MCM menu) and be wearing "Whore" clothes for a start. If you have already done that, make sure that when you examine the outfit it is defined as whore clothes. If it isnt, use the fix option in the MCM. You might also want to use the builder spell to define an NPC in the cell as a Pimp. That way you can work for them and you'll get as many jobs per hour as is defined in the MCM. I have previously successfully worked without a pimp just by wearing the correct outfit but i dont think that is "as intended" so your mileage may vary. 

 

 

Thanks very much! So then the next part of the question is  do I solicit johns, or will they  just walk up to me and ask?

 

Solicit if you want or wait and they will come to you. You can set how many will come per game hour in the MCN