OSex+ The Greatest Virtual Sex Ever

[CEO 0S]

Here is my draft of the OSA+ and OSA+ Scribe Licensing agreement. It incorporates everything that matters to me but I also tried to be fair and consider others that might get involved in the project as well. I am not a lawyer or even remotely close so I would be interested in what people think. Please read it over everyone and give me your thoughts on it.

 

All subject to change of course, I'm looking for feedback:

 

This is the license for OSA+ Scribe, which is a writing tool / website for writing OSA+ custom data:

 

• Scribe is All Rights Reserved by Ceo.
• Co-ownership of Scribe codebase can be granted based on time commitment and contribution to the Scribe code base.  
• Unless license excluding, code contributions can be withdrawn by the writer and always remain the property of the writer. Code contributions can not be withdrawn by a Scribe rights owner if it results in permanently breaking Scribe.
• All Illustrations used are copyright of their respective owners and can be removed from Scribe at any time by their owners, if their owners choose, unless otherwise noted. 
• All animations and their supporting documents are copyright of their respective owners and can be removed from Scribe at any time by their owners, if their owners choose, unless otherwise noted. 
• All Sound and Music files are copyright of their respective owners and can be removed from Scribe at any time by their owners, if their owners choose, unless otherwise noted. 
• All Assets, and Artwork are copyright of their respective owners and can be removed from Scribe at any time by their owners, if their owners choose, unless otherwise noted. 

 

 

This is the license for OSA+ itself (the entire core engine of OSA, this applies to papyrus, actionscript2 or any other language used in the process.)

 

• OSA+ is All Rights Reserved by Ceo.
• If all owners of the rights of OSA+ are gone for more than 3 months it may be continued by someone else,  upon return however ownership is restored, and then reassessed based on contributions % to the code base. In order to temporarily begin working on OSA+ as a placeholding rights owner a convincing amount of work on the project must be completed by the temporary rights holder.
• OSA+ May not be used in anyway to depict, content that exploits children.
• Co-ownership of the OSA+ codebase can be granted based on time commitment and contribution to the OSA+ code base.  
• Unless license excluding, code contributions can be withdrawn by the writer and always remain the property of the writer. Code contributions can not be withdrawn by a OSA+ rights owner if it results in permanently breaking OSA+.
• Once a Mod that utilizes the OSA+ API is published it forever has unrevokable permissions to interact with the API of OSA+, and no measure may be taken by OSA+ development to prevent that unless that mod is giving access to content featuring the exploitation of children, or breaking this license, if a mod is resulting in this type of content and an effort is not made quickly to stop the usage then the mod will be denied access to OSA+ until fixed in a satisfying way. 
• OSA+ must be made permanently available to be used and can not be purposefully removed, destroyed, or made to unfunction by the rights owners. This only applies to rights owners of the codebase and does not prevent contributors of art assets and non rights owning contributors from removing their contributions.
• All Illustrations used are copyright of their respective owners and can be removed from the engine at any time by their owners, if their owners choose, unless otherwise noted. 
• All animations and their supporting documents are copyright of their respective owners and can be removed from the engine at any time by their owners, if their owners choose, unless otherwise noted. 
• All Sound and Music files are copyright of their respective owners and can be removed from the engine at any time by their owners, if their owners choose, unless otherwise noted. 
• All Assets, and Artwork are copyright of their respective owners and can be removed from the engine at any time by their owners, if their owners choose, unless otherwise noted. 
• All assets used in the OSA+ engine maybe only be interacted with by OSA+ and by interfacing with the OSA+ intended systems.  
• The framework core functionality of OSA+ must only exist in OSA+. No mod for OSA+ may be created which exists as a plugin for OSA that serves as a separate framework or a program which could compete against OSA+
• If an asset has permission to be used in OSA+ such asset may packed with uploaded and shown, played or presented through Scribe's GUI unless otherwise noted.
• Forks may not be made of OSA+.
• A maximum of 20% of the proprietary code that existed at anytime in OSA+ can be used in other projects, code that is property of the project owner is not included.

 

 

 

 

Edited November 24, 2021 by CEO 0S

[KONTOL222]

hopefully these barking skeevers didnt slow you down CEO

Edited November 25, 2021 by KONTOL222

[CEO 0S]

1 hour ago, KONTOL222 said:

hopefully these barking skeevers didnt slow you down CEO

 

Ha they sort of did, but don't worry I'm still going and I'm more determined than ever, I lost about a week though dealing with it all so you'll have to add that to my deadline, sorry for the delay!

 

 

[CEO 0S]

 

 

 

[CEO 0S]

[migal130]

15 hours ago, throwmeinthetrash6 said:

 

Lmao I'm not at all surprised to see you deflecting again. I was pretty sure you had nothing to say in your defense, but thanks for confirming it.

Hypothetical analogy.

You're in prison.  You ask a lawyer how to get out of prison and he says, "This is a prison for non-criminals.  To get out, you must commit a crime."

And people told me I was wrong for pulling BBLS from a certain site last summer.

[nebulard]

When do you plan to unblock the Nexus people, ceo? Admit that you have done wrong by calling them pirates when they are not to blame for anything.

[CEO 0S]

5 hours ago, nebulard said:

When do you plan to unblock the Nexus people, ceo? Admit that you have done wrong by calling them pirates when they are not to blame for anything.

 

When do I plan to unblock those I banned on Nexus?  Never, I gave this mod to the community for free and I can take it away if people forget that and will. What power do you think you have to be making demands of me? I am being extorted in every way possible so you have nothing left to take from me. Don't worry to much about Nexus, I will not be working with them anymore into the future.

 

I stand by my actions 100%. If you support OStim you support strong arming the work of artists from them through bad faith technical loop holes, bullying and stealing. Any end user of OStim is a part of that. Regardless if they are oblivious to the reality of what is happening, they are contributing to something very bad.

 

This project is built around positive principles and the respect for a creators work and art and will be restored to that legacy again. I will handle Stim and Nexus and then I'll handle the community for what they are doing to me. I will purge the elements that festered around my projects and will restore it to something with honor and integrity as it was. Keep holding your breath for that list of demands though!

Edited November 25, 2021 by CEO 0S

[nebulard]

It is you who got the wrong idea from the beginning by inserting MALWARE, blocking people's games without communicating it and called the users PIRATES for downloading a mod that depends on OSA. The problem with permissions is with you and the creator of OStim, not the users. You have brought this extortion on yourself because you are not able to see that users have nothing to do with your rights disputes.

But, no problem. Excuse me. It sounds like I'm talking to a child who loses and takes the ball home because he says it's his.

Edited November 25, 2021 by nebulard

[lilpeon]

"Malware" I guess Arma 3 is also Malware because it does the same thing other games have pop ups like this in their games especially with the microtransactions.

 

[nebulard]

1 hour ago, lilpeon said:

"Malware" Supongo que Arma 3 también es Malware porque hace lo mismo que otros juegos tienen ventanas emergentes como esta en sus juegos, especialmente con las microtransacciones.

 

I guess the difference is between putting an "accept" button or "proceed" and not putting it, but, thanks for the try.

[CEO 0S]

 

Edited November 26, 2021 by CEO 0S

[CEO 0S]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 26, 2021 by CEO 0S

[zergface]

Just curious will this still be like nexus tier vanilla sex scenes or it will be much more, aggressive animations, furniture, creature, etc, also can people make their own animation packs for this framework?

[CEO 0S]

1 hour ago, zergface said:

Just curious will this still be like nexus tier vanilla sex scenes or it will be much more, aggressive animations, furniture, creature, etc, also can people make their own animation packs for this framework?

 

It will include my entire OSex scene with a lot of new animation and repairs to old ones specifically the plugins. OSA+ will allow for creatures, and furniture. OSA was always intended to be just an animation playback framework, so I am interested in doing new encapsulated scenes. To explain OSex is a very large web of animations but scenes don't have to be setup that way, a smaller more linear scene with some options could be created also. I've always wanted OSA to be seen as an expandable library of enhanced scenes rather that a sex framework. I am animating some combat / grappling / disarming like I've talked about a long time ago in the past and have been experimenting with some smaller isolated packs for fun when I get burnt out.

 

Yes OSA is designed for people to make their own animated scenes and plug it in. The misconception tends to come around OSex itself since it's so large it gives OSA the impression that it's just for OSex. In my mind OSA scenes could be anything and the more variety that can be called on the better. I am developing a writing program that aids animators in creator their own packs so I hope this will aid them as well.  I believe OSA has always had great potential beyond a sex framework but never really had the time to fully showcase that in the past.

 

 

Edited November 26, 2021 by CEO 0S

[CEO 0S]

Street fighter style grapple and disarmament, into the Battle Spank. This one is called agile dagger, there would be a bunch of weapon fighting styles they can begin with, right side actor will be holding an anim object dagger in game which gets disarmed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 26, 2021 by CEO 0S

[CEO 0S]

Pressure + Pig

 

[CEO 0S]

Showed these already sorry, these gifs are part of my finalization process now, reposting for documentation:

 

Teddybear (Low),  Teddybear (High),  Barbarian

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 26, 2021 by CEO 0S

[Ahnassi]

A release soon?

[CEO 0S]

10 minutes ago, Ahnassi said:

A release soon?

 

Plus is required to protect my animations so I can't release until plus. Yes release is coming. Plus first, quick beta (I don't expect there to be many issues), then animations. Delayed some by all the events that transpired but not much.

[dagobaking]

Ok. I feel that a lot of misinformation has been thrown CE0's way over this. So, I'd like to point a few things out to try to bring this back into balance.

 

A. The OStim-Blocking version of OSA did not come out of the blue. 

CE0 initially approached the OStim project in a cooperative manner. But, when he shared his perspectives and plans for the future he was met with negative responses ranging from disinterest to disrespect and hostility. When the OStim author heard of some changes CE0 planned for his mod he disparaged the plan by saying that it would be bad for the community. Obviously, the OStim author and group feel that their project should supercede CE0's work in importance and that he should tailor his vision around making OStim users happy. It was after all of this that the blocking version was posted.

 

I think that the flurry of posts here and elsewhere from the OStim group demonstrate the hostility and entitlement that they have. CE0 has been followed to multiple platforms to be personally attacked, threatened with doxxing, etc. In light of this, the OStim group should ask themselves, why would anyone want to work with a group that thinks his work sucks and is irrelevant and is willing to engage in self-described "extortion" and insults if they don't get their way?

 

B. It is perfectly reasonable that CE0 does not want his mod to be the "black box" for some other mod.

 

OSA using the term "framework" in its description does not mean that any and all uses are welcome. The framework aspect of the project was for additional animations to be added and used through the OSA API. Writing a wrapper with its own API is not automatically "just using the framework" as intended.

 

Perhaps this was not intentional. But, even the branding of OStim and related projects is subversive to CE0's work. For example, how would a new user know which mod came first when everything is "O" this and "O" that?

 

While CE0 does not object to making money from modding why would he want that benefit to be extended from his work to a group that has treated him badly?

 

All of these are clear and reasonable explanations for why CE0 does not want any association between his work and OStim. He simply wants to be able to continue working on his own mod without having to consider new APIs that he wasn't involved with, confusing branding or helping to fund unfriendly groups.

 

C. OStim does not speak for the community at large.

 

Not to take away from any hard work or good ideas that anyone has had in the OStim project. But, there are many people who want to see what CE0 has planned for his mods and do not want his work to be disrupted by fans of some other mod.

 

D. OStim has options without CE0.

 

Advocates for OStim have trashed CE0's quality of work even in this thread. They write that he is a bad coder. They write that his mod was irrelevant without OStim, etc. The obvious answer to that is: "Fine. You are finally relieved of his terrible work and are free to replace it with your own!"

 

OStim can make their own animation framework to complete the features they want without having to use CE0's work. Obviously, that is best for all parties.

 

On 11/19/2021 at 11:52 AM, WildAdmiral said:

just because someone has installed mod that you don't like? 

 

See A and B above. It wasn't over him not liking a mod.

 

On 11/19/2021 at 12:00 PM, Ahnassi said:

WTF happened? What caused CEO to go from "the most awesome adult Skyrim modder" to this?

 

I'm confident that many would still consider him among the best adult Skyrim modders and welcome his future work.

 

On 11/19/2021 at 3:49 PM, Akzyra said:

Currently setting up from scratch for AE (lots missing, but SKSE mod get updated quite fast :D),
wanted to use OSA, OStim, etc. Back to SexLab I guess...

https://www.reddit.com/r/skyrimmods/comments/qxdbjl/ostim_has_temporarily_ceased_development_due_to/hl8nhn5/

 

 

That reddit thread is full of misinformation and bad assumptions. See above.

 

On 11/19/2021 at 7:28 PM, Illana said:

TBH if this is the quality of your coding I do not have high hopes.

 

Then why does OStim rely on this work?

 

On 11/19/2021 at 11:04 PM, ninjagaidenguy said:

This is incredibly condescending to the community 

 

See A above. The first condescension stones were not thrown by CE0.

 

Condescension is the exact problem he has had with the OStim group. He would rather just continue his project in peace without them. Given the comments here does anyone blame him?

 

On 11/20/2021 at 4:33 AM, Akzyra said:

If you had just released a clear statement, there would not be drama.

You could have stopped OStim development by asking nicely first, then taking action if they don't follow.

 

The group wasn't nice to CE0 first. See A above.

 

"Nice" is a two-way street. If OStim wanted the type of consideration you describe they could have approached CE0 in a different manner.

 

The comments from OStim advocates in this thread, many of which had to be deleted, prove my point.

 

On 11/20/2021 at 8:46 AM, ninjagaidenguy said:

Here are the screenshots taken from your Discord, the Pink Malware in your Mod and The Nexus Removal note.

 

All this is is trying to disparage CE0's character because his mod decisions disrupt another mod.

 

On 11/20/2021 at 9:03 AM, corvinus18 said:

There is no valid EXCUSE to attack the comunity in this way.

 

CE0 did not attack the community. See C above.

 

On 11/20/2021 at 9:03 AM, corvinus18 said:

Then you released a DICK-UPDATE that mess with the people using OSTIM in the load order, and that is a fact, and more impressive is that you attacked THE COMUNITY, not only Ostim, THE COMUNITY.

 

I can understand that you were optimistic and then disappointed. But, as I outline above, this was not something CE0 did out of the blue, unprovoked.

 

On 11/20/2021 at 9:03 AM, corvinus18 said:

I ask myself here a lot of thinks. You sayed SAI stole your work with that that shaddy remark,  I as a lawyer will tell you that this is not correct, you give him his blessing in his project, YOU GAVE HIM PERMISION, licensed him in development, endorse his development...  what is the change of mind now? If you wanted to revoque permisions, or change the development path because you saw a abuse, why not come and talk to him before this, why no come to agrement and talk about the diferences in developments before this. As far as i understand SAI was surprised  by the update too.

 

You as a lawyer then should understand that profiting from other peoples work against their will is indeed a form of theft.

 

And why do you put the entire onus on CE0 about coming to an agreement? While he was not actively modding during the last few years he was not unreachable. Why do you not ask why Sai did not reach out to CE0 when he started to make sure that his plans were in line with CE0's usage expectations?

 

On 11/20/2021 at 9:03 AM, corvinus18 said:

Why i am using OSTIM and not sexlab? Its because its more performance friendly and mostly BECAUSE THE ADDONS, Ostim addons are comming close to implement the atractive part of SEXLAB. My point here is your mod its great, but cant stand by his own. Why would i choose a really detailed sex mod with no real interaction in the world and shaddy information on how to use it.

 

See D above. OStim can complete their own mod and not rely on CE0's work.

 

CE0's download statistics before OStim even existed demonstrate that many people have always felt that CE0's work does stand on its own. And there are many who want to see what he does next without him being disrupted or harassed by users of another mod that has the option to build this dependency out of their own mod.

 

On 11/21/2021 at 1:22 PM, WildAdmiral said:

Nobody was selling Ceo's work.

 

If it wasn't for CE0's work, there would be no reason to use OStim, let alone pay for its features.

 

On 11/21/2021 at 1:22 PM, WildAdmiral said:

Please, stop spreading misinformation.

 

The OStim group needs to come to grips with their own misinformation.

 

As noted above, this did not happen out of the blue and CE0's position is clear and reasonable.

 

On 11/22/2021 at 12:19 AM, WildAdmiral said:

Unbelivable, someone created a mod based on framework. What a surprise!

 

See B above. A mod being a framework is not an endorsement of any form of use.

 

On 11/22/2021 at 12:19 AM, WildAdmiral said:

If something is just built on does not mean it's stealing.

 

Sorry. Continuing to use a product against the authors terms of use in a way that generates income is indeed a form of theft.

 

On 11/22/2021 at 12:19 AM, WildAdmiral said:

Real world examples: there are thousands of companies that create software that is built on .NET framework (hmm.. framework, coincidence?). Does it mean they're stealing? No. Does it mean Microsoft would go and block software they don't like? No. 

 

That's because the people using those frameworks are not violating any terms of use.

 

On 11/22/2021 at 1:00 AM, Namtar55 said:

Of course, this is just my personal opinion on the matter. You can give it some thought, or post a picture for me too, if you want. 

 

Your position is reasonable. I hope that my clarifications above give a better understanding about what happened and how there is more to this than what the OStim group has been suggesting (or guessing?).

 

On 11/22/2021 at 8:32 AM, throwmeinthetrash6 said:

Edit: Okay, the moderators edited my post to "remove the rude and insulting part." The part that they removed was me calling CE0 a liar.

 

And the OStim group is a bunch of polite George Washingtons?

 

These "gotcha" points are just noise next to what I outlined at the top of this thread. The bottom line is that the OStim group had CE0's cooperation and lost it through their own statements. If he is so bad then he did OStim a favor and they can complete their own mod without dependency on his work.

 

What else would you expect? That he is an indentured servant to OStim and must work on mods that benefit the OStim group?

 

On 11/25/2021 at 1:36 PM, nebulard said:

It is you who got the wrong idea from the beginning by inserting MALWARE

 

See A above. The blocking version was not the beginning of this.

 

On 11/25/2021 at 1:36 PM, nebulard said:

You have brought this extortion on yourself

 

Why would anyone want to work with a group that sees extortion as a valid consequence of not doing what they want?

 

You are just proving the point I made at the top of this post.

Edited November 27, 2021 by dagobaking

[DoctaSax]

This thread needs to return to its role as development and support thread for OSex & OSA.

 

Further insults, accusations and demands will be removed, and the parties involved in any of that going forward will be sanctioned.

[CEO 0S]

New Cowgirl, dedicated to Thicc Coder

 

Edited November 27, 2021 by CEO 0S

[lordkimbo29]

Lol at the Street Fighter stance animation. Everything looks really good.

[KONTOL222]

i forgot to ask, how about compability with other mod like amoros adventure and serana dialogue add on