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I wonder if the character creation screen would allow creating "same sex" couples. It sure seems moddable.

 

I also wonder how the showracemenu command would work, if there's one that is. Hopefully, there's another menu for PC only. It would be really annoying if it took you back to the same screen at the beginning of the game.

 

In theory the beginning creation screen would allow for a same sex couple, but in regards to how the opening scenes would play out? Can't say I'd know, though I'd hazard the guess the mod would have to set the game to recognize that you're the opposite sex than you are so that the voice files work right in the introduction or it would either not work or the partner would use the wrong voice files. I'd guess that you would have to change the female/male character in the kit to a male/female so that, when presented at the mirror scene, there are two men/women and as the same system is used to craft all NPCs you can then sculpt them as desired.

 

I can see an in-game appearance changer being used for the player character as well, like the screen we had in the former  games albeit modified for the new creation method. . .maybe you go to a surgeon of some sort like you did in Fallout 3? They then show you a large screen that will have you select how you want to look after the surgery then a fade to black as the operation is carried out.

 

If an Alternate start mod is made, it would likely feature this second appearance-changer, and not let you design the partner character. . .which could be an issue (we don't know for sure) if the player is able to play the main story without selecting it in said Alternate Start mod. . .

 

. . .I wonder if we'll have a way to character sculpt in the GECK or if we'll have to use the in-game creator. . . :huh:

Guest Vendayn
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I just realized...if gaming is possible on the pipboy...

 

Is someone gonna...

 

let you watch

 

PORN ON THE PIPBOY??

 

Someones going to do it...

Guest Vendayn
Posted

Sprite porn games on the pipboy, I wouldn't mind seeing that. :P

 

someone out there would like it :P

Posted

I just realized...if gaming is possible on the pipboy...

 

Is someone gonna...

 

let you watch

 

PORN ON THE PIPBOY??

 

Someones going to do it...

 

Probably, they said there were games and videos, likely that you have installed at base (like tutorials or something with a vault-boy flair to them) and perhaps some you have to collect. . .would mean with the latter that its easy to add videos. ..huh. I for one welcome our Vault-porn video overlords!

Posted

I just realized...if gaming is possible on the pipboy...

 

Is someone gonna...

 

let you watch

 

PORN ON THE PIPBOY??

 

Someones going to do it...

 

There's already a Fallout New Vegas mod that lets you play videos on the pipboy.

Posted

 

Sprite porn games on the pipboy, I wouldn't mind seeing that. :P

 

someone out there would like it :P

 

 

Jeez... What would the Fallout equivalent of Custard's Revenge be?

 

 

 

 

 

I really don't see the point of the people complaining about a sexually active protagonist. They claim that the protagonists of the previous games were virgins, and all the horrible (and sexy) things that happened to them via LL mods are their first sexual encounters. I'm gonna call bullshit on that. In New Vegas, once you have The Courier's backstory all pieced together, the protagonist has to in his/her late twenties at least, as he/she had already claimed the title of badass through his/her pregame exploits. Hell, Lonesome Road explicitly states that The Courier has been in this line of work for more then a decade. Mind you, The Courier is from NCR, which models itself after prewar America, child labor laws probably included. I dare you to find a person who has more then a decade under his or her belt working a full-time job who is a virgin. If you do, I will eat my shoe, and I really like my shoe.

 

As for The Lone Wanderer, I feel that the intro strongly implies the he/she had a sexual relationship at some point with Amata. I guess you could argue the she's just a really good friend, but I think it's more likely that she is or was in love with The Lone Wanderer. You don't just stick your neck out like that for anybody, especially when you're going against your loving father whom you have a deep respect for (Which does fit the description for Amata. I cite the peaceful solution to "Trouble on The Home-front" as evidence that Amata and her father do love and respect each other). No, I insist that The Lone Wanderer had to be particularly "special" for Amata. Hell, I'd be willing to gamble that Amata lost her virginity to him/her.

 

As for the Elder Scrolls protagonists, there are very few convicted prisoners who are still virgins. And those who are don't stay that way for long, even in modern prisons. Much less in medieval dungeons. However, there is enough ambiguity in those backstories to call those games protagonist's retainer of virginity plausible, but not probable.

 

So, I argue that the protagonists of the Fallout and Elder Scrolls series were all at least implied to be sexually active before the events of their games. The Fallout protagonists especially. That said, if you really want to "de-flower" your protagonist, there will most certainly be a LAL mod that will allow people of that particular fetish persuasion to role play it in. Also, I heard a rumor saying that the PC will die at the end of the main quest, and the player will assume the role of his/her progeny to continue gameplay after the end of the main quest. If that's true, well then there's your solution.

 

Goddamnit... I really have a hard time conveying my opinion accuratelly.

It's not about the virginity, although it was possible to assume your character is a virgin in the previous Bethesda titles, in extreme cases. It's about being locked into a certain character.

In previous games, you could decide yourself whether you are guilty or just put in prison by accident; you, the player, can decide whether you banged Amata in your days in the vault or she just relies on you as a good friend and very capable person; the Courier could have been a clean professional or a womanizer/broad, it was always up to YOU and YOU ONLY to fill in the character's backstory.

 

This... Being this father or mother (depending on which sex you pick during character creation) forces on the player character certain implications about his mental state, about his personality, character.

This story choice implies the player character was at some point in their life compassionate and "normal" enough (by current western culture standards - the Americas and Europe). Heck, the fact that the PC remebers the robotic servant implies his mental health isn't half bad, at worst.

 

This story choice implies the PC has certain experience with society, namely and most importantly for some LL mods and fetishes, sexual experience in society.

I personally am not fixed on the virginity aspect, I am freaking out about my PC already having experience being a responsible adult.

Now just pick out something I didn't word out with proper clarity - summon me once more!

 

Well, that changes things. Since this is now about general life experience (Sexual experience included), that has some more give. I still feel The Courier would not fall into that whole "no life experience" category, again due to his/her holding down a full-time job for more then a decade. The Lone Wanderer, eh, you got me there. The kid's a mere 19 and only probably did some fooling around in his/her teenage years.

 

The Elder Scrolls protagonists, again, you have a point. It's left completely ambiguous as to why and how long they were in prison, except The Dragonborn, whom we know is in prison for simply being at the wrong place at the wrong time and has only been in prison as long as it takes those carts to get from Skyrim's border to Helgen. This still leave all of their previous exploits completely shrouded in mystery, and thus ambiguous enough to create your own head canon as to who they are and what they've done. I still find it highly unlikely that none of them have any life experience whatsoever, but maybe that's why they're incarcerated in the first place.

 

I see how the protagonist of Fallout 4 being demonstrated to be a well adjusted member of prewar society could be distressing from this standpoint. I would like to introduce a new contention, the keyword here is "prewar." Prewar society is called the "Old World" for a reason, it was civilized, there was law and order (Despite the totally fucked geopolitics of prewar international power distribution.), they didn't have to worry about scraping together just enough resources to eke out an existence, they didn't have to worry about raider breaking into their shanty killing them raping their women and stealing their children, and that's not even getting into the mutants and environmental hazards. If anything, going from a well adjusted member of prewar society to a fish out of water in the wasteland would make the PC just that much more alienated by postwar society and culture. At least people brought up in the wasteland know what to expect from it, but a guy/gal whose spent the vast majority of his/her adult life it the civilized prewar era is going to be completely blindsided by the wasteland and it's culture.

 

Regarding the folks who are upset that they can't head canon the PC as homosexual, you all are aware that there have been and are several LGBT people who were married with children before coming out, right? It might even make more sense in-universe due to Prewar culture being locked in 50's culture. The Stonewall riots probably never happened, and with them, LGBT rights. Do try to remember that sodomy was (and in some places, still is) a crime. Staying closeted was just a thing most LGBT people had to do back then, or risk be ostracized (and posibly imprisoned) by their community

Posted

 

 

 

Sprite porn games on the pipboy, I wouldn't mind seeing that. :P

 

someone out there would like it :P

 

 

Jeez... What would the Fallout equivalent of Custard's Revenge be?

 

 

 

 

 

I really don't see the point of the people complaining about a sexually active protagonist. They claim that the protagonists of the previous games were virgins, and all the horrible (and sexy) things that happened to them via LL mods are their first sexual encounters. I'm gonna call bullshit on that. In New Vegas, once you have The Courier's backstory all pieced together, the protagonist has to in his/her late twenties at least, as he/she had already claimed the title of badass through his/her pregame exploits. Hell, Lonesome Road explicitly states that The Courier has been in this line of work for more then a decade. Mind you, The Courier is from NCR, which models itself after prewar America, child labor laws probably included. I dare you to find a person who has more then a decade under his or her belt working a full-time job who is a virgin. If you do, I will eat my shoe, and I really like my shoe.

 

As for The Lone Wanderer, I feel that the intro strongly implies the he/she had a sexual relationship at some point with Amata. I guess you could argue the she's just a really good friend, but I think it's more likely that she is or was in love with The Lone Wanderer. You don't just stick your neck out like that for anybody, especially when you're going against your loving father whom you have a deep respect for (Which does fit the description for Amata. I cite the peaceful solution to "Trouble on The Home-front" as evidence that Amata and her father do love and respect each other). No, I insist that The Lone Wanderer had to be particularly "special" for Amata. Hell, I'd be willing to gamble that Amata lost her virginity to him/her.

 

As for the Elder Scrolls protagonists, there are very few convicted prisoners who are still virgins. And those who are don't stay that way for long, even in modern prisons. Much less in medieval dungeons. However, there is enough ambiguity in those backstories to call those games protagonist's retainer of virginity plausible, but not probable.

 

So, I argue that the protagonists of the Fallout and Elder Scrolls series were all at least implied to be sexually active before the events of their games. The Fallout protagonists especially. That said, if you really want to "de-flower" your protagonist, there will most certainly be a LAL mod that will allow people of that particular fetish persuasion to role play it in. Also, I heard a rumor saying that the PC will die at the end of the main quest, and the player will assume the role of his/her progeny to continue gameplay after the end of the main quest. If that's true, well then there's your solution.

 

Goddamnit... I really have a hard time conveying my opinion accuratelly.

It's not about the virginity, although it was possible to assume your character is a virgin in the previous Bethesda titles, in extreme cases. It's about being locked into a certain character.

In previous games, you could decide yourself whether you are guilty or just put in prison by accident; you, the player, can decide whether you banged Amata in your days in the vault or she just relies on you as a good friend and very capable person; the Courier could have been a clean professional or a womanizer/broad, it was always up to YOU and YOU ONLY to fill in the character's backstory.

 

This... Being this father or mother (depending on which sex you pick during character creation) forces on the player character certain implications about his mental state, about his personality, character.

This story choice implies the player character was at some point in their life compassionate and "normal" enough (by current western culture standards - the Americas and Europe). Heck, the fact that the PC remebers the robotic servant implies his mental health isn't half bad, at worst.

 

This story choice implies the PC has certain experience with society, namely and most importantly for some LL mods and fetishes, sexual experience in society.

I personally am not fixed on the virginity aspect, I am freaking out about my PC already having experience being a responsible adult.

Now just pick out something I didn't word out with proper clarity - summon me once more!

 

Well, that changes things. Since this is now about general life experience (Sexual experience included), that has some more give. I still feel The Courier would not fall into that whole "no life experience" category, again due to his/her holding down a full-time job for more then a decade. The Lone Wanderer, eh, you got me there. The kid's a mere 19 and only probably did some fooling around in his/her teenage years.

 

The Elder Scrolls protagonists, again, you have a point. It's left completely ambiguous as to why and how long they were in prison, except The Dragonborn, whom we know is in prison for simply being at the wrong place at the wrong time and has only been in prison as long as it takes those carts to get from Skyrim's border to Helgen. This still leave all of their previous exploits completely shrouded in mystery, and thus ambiguous enough to create your own head canon as to who they are and what they've done. I still find it highly unlikely that none of them have any life experience whatsoever, but maybe that's why they're incarcerated in the first place.

 

I see how the protagonist of Fallout 4 being demonstrated to be a well adjusted member of prewar society could be distressing from this standpoint. I would like to introduce a new contention, the keyword here is "prewar." Prewar society is called the "Old World" for a reason, it was civilized, there was law and order (Despite the totally fucked geopolitics of prewar international power distribution.), they didn't have to worry about scraping together just enough resources to eke out an existence, they didn't have to worry about raider breaking into their shanty killing them raping their women and stealing their children, and that's not even getting into the mutants and environmental hazards. If anything, going from a well adjusted member of prewar society to a fish out of water in the wasteland would make the PC just that much more alienated by postwar society and culture. At least people brought up in the wasteland know what to expect from it, but a guy/gal whose spent the vast majority of his/her adult life it the civilized prewar era is going to be completely blindsided by the wasteland and it's culture.

 

 

 

Regarding the folks who are upset that they can't head canon the PC as homosexual, you all are aware that there have been and are several LGBT people who were married with children before coming out, right? It might even make more sense in-universe due to Prewar culture being locked in 50's culture. The Stonewall riots probably never happened, and with them, LGBT rights. Do try to remember that sodomy was (and in some places, still is) a crime. Staying closeted was just a thing most LGBT people had to do back then, or risk be ostracized (and posibly imprisoned) by their community

 

 

What are the odds in the next few months, some concernocrats start protesting the lack of a homosexual relationship during character creation?

 

 

Just wanting to put this out here.

 

I really want to see from the mod making community a focus on mod consolidation.

 

In FNV it wasn't uncommon to have a mod take up 4 or 5 slots and when you only have 140 working slots it added up quick.

 

I know that not everyone will instantly get any dlc or expansions so there will have to be different versions of mod files for the various combinations which would make support a lot harder, BUT if Fallout 4 still has the goddamned 255 file limit we the community I feel must try to focus on keeping our mods as compact as possible.

Combining mods as I found when I did it for Skyrim and FNV had mixed results and often led to 2 weeks or more in NV's case trying to combine mods and get something stable going, other people probably had better luck with a different miss mash of mods but this my experience.

 

Again this request/dream rides on the chance that we will see 255 mod limit if there is no limit then we will have to see how it handles things.

 

I'm hoping for this as well. I'm always reminded of Wrye's article here -> http://wryemusings.com/Cathedral%20vs.%20Parlor.html .

Posted

I meant the name SexLab for the Fallout 4. Not the actual framework. If it's possible with ease to port the framework and animations, I can agree this would be much much less time consuming than starting from scratch.

 

The problem is how it's going to work with dialogue. The player character and NPC interaction maybe silent during the dialogue. That doesn't bother me much, but only having 4 options is going to hurt without the extra dialogue trees. My only guess is finding 4 base structures for the sex. And apply something like FNIS to change positions during sex since dialogue is very limited.

 

i am quite sure that someway people find workaround from it. maybe they allow you to have the very very very basic option aka one of the 4 simply reads "more" or maybe they find way to change the entire dialogue wheel to list. i saw some very big UI changes in skyrim so i dont know how well this could be changed. atleast before people get their hands on to the code and see how the wheel is implemented to game we cant really tell. i hope its coded in way it would still allow almost limitless dialogue options but it only shows 4 in current form so maybe just maybe we could change it to more traditional list (while if someone were to go so crazy would also write lines more close to what they actually are)

Guest endgameaddiction
Posted

Well if you look at the weapon modifaction part of the video, it uses the old UI. That could be some sort of base. It's said the PC presentation by Todd is today and I hope someone uploads links the youtube video here so I can see what's going on.

Posted

 

 

 

 

Sprite porn games on the pipboy, I wouldn't mind seeing that. :P

 

someone out there would like it :P

 

 

Jeez... What would the Fallout equivalent of Custard's Revenge be?

 

 

 

 

 

I really don't see the point of the people complaining about a sexually active protagonist. They claim that the protagonists of the previous games were virgins, and all the horrible (and sexy) things that happened to them via LL mods are their first sexual encounters. I'm gonna call bullshit on that. In New Vegas, once you have The Courier's backstory all pieced together, the protagonist has to in his/her late twenties at least, as he/she had already claimed the title of badass through his/her pregame exploits. Hell, Lonesome Road explicitly states that The Courier has been in this line of work for more then a decade. Mind you, The Courier is from NCR, which models itself after prewar America, child labor laws probably included. I dare you to find a person who has more then a decade under his or her belt working a full-time job who is a virgin. If you do, I will eat my shoe, and I really like my shoe.

 

As for The Lone Wanderer, I feel that the intro strongly implies the he/she had a sexual relationship at some point with Amata. I guess you could argue the she's just a really good friend, but I think it's more likely that she is or was in love with The Lone Wanderer. You don't just stick your neck out like that for anybody, especially when you're going against your loving father whom you have a deep respect for (Which does fit the description for Amata. I cite the peaceful solution to "Trouble on The Home-front" as evidence that Amata and her father do love and respect each other). No, I insist that The Lone Wanderer had to be particularly "special" for Amata. Hell, I'd be willing to gamble that Amata lost her virginity to him/her.

 

As for the Elder Scrolls protagonists, there are very few convicted prisoners who are still virgins. And those who are don't stay that way for long, even in modern prisons. Much less in medieval dungeons. However, there is enough ambiguity in those backstories to call those games protagonist's retainer of virginity plausible, but not probable.

 

So, I argue that the protagonists of the Fallout and Elder Scrolls series were all at least implied to be sexually active before the events of their games. The Fallout protagonists especially. That said, if you really want to "de-flower" your protagonist, there will most certainly be a LAL mod that will allow people of that particular fetish persuasion to role play it in. Also, I heard a rumor saying that the PC will die at the end of the main quest, and the player will assume the role of his/her progeny to continue gameplay after the end of the main quest. If that's true, well then there's your solution.

 

Goddamnit... I really have a hard time conveying my opinion accuratelly.

It's not about the virginity, although it was possible to assume your character is a virgin in the previous Bethesda titles, in extreme cases. It's about being locked into a certain character.

In previous games, you could decide yourself whether you are guilty or just put in prison by accident; you, the player, can decide whether you banged Amata in your days in the vault or she just relies on you as a good friend and very capable person; the Courier could have been a clean professional or a womanizer/broad, it was always up to YOU and YOU ONLY to fill in the character's backstory.

 

This... Being this father or mother (depending on which sex you pick during character creation) forces on the player character certain implications about his mental state, about his personality, character.

This story choice implies the player character was at some point in their life compassionate and "normal" enough (by current western culture standards - the Americas and Europe). Heck, the fact that the PC remebers the robotic servant implies his mental health isn't half bad, at worst.

 

This story choice implies the PC has certain experience with society, namely and most importantly for some LL mods and fetishes, sexual experience in society.

I personally am not fixed on the virginity aspect, I am freaking out about my PC already having experience being a responsible adult.

Now just pick out something I didn't word out with proper clarity - summon me once more!

 

Well, that changes things. Since this is now about general life experience (Sexual experience included), that has some more give. I still feel The Courier would not fall into that whole "no life experience" category, again due to his/her holding down a full-time job for more then a decade. The Lone Wanderer, eh, you got me there. The kid's a mere 19 and only probably did some fooling around in his/her teenage years.

 

The Elder Scrolls protagonists, again, you have a point. It's left completely ambiguous as to why and how long they were in prison, except The Dragonborn, whom we know is in prison for simply being at the wrong place at the wrong time and has only been in prison as long as it takes those carts to get from Skyrim's border to Helgen. This still leave all of their previous exploits completely shrouded in mystery, and thus ambiguous enough to create your own head canon as to who they are and what they've done. I still find it highly unlikely that none of them have any life experience whatsoever, but maybe that's why they're incarcerated in the first place.

 

I see how the protagonist of Fallout 4 being demonstrated to be a well adjusted member of prewar society could be distressing from this standpoint. I would like to introduce a new contention, the keyword here is "prewar." Prewar society is called the "Old World" for a reason, it was civilized, there was law and order (Despite the totally fucked geopolitics of prewar international power distribution.), they didn't have to worry about scraping together just enough resources to eke out an existence, they didn't have to worry about raider breaking into their shanty killing them raping their women and stealing their children, and that's not even getting into the mutants and environmental hazards. If anything, going from a well adjusted member of prewar society to a fish out of water in the wasteland would make the PC just that much more alienated by postwar society and culture. At least people brought up in the wasteland know what to expect from it, but a guy/gal whose spent the vast majority of his/her adult life it the civilized prewar era is going to be completely blindsided by the wasteland and it's culture.

 

 

 

Regarding the folks who are upset that they can't head canon the PC as homosexual, you all are aware that there have been and are several LGBT people who were married with children before coming out, right? It might even make more sense in-universe due to Prewar culture being locked in 50's culture. The Stonewall riots probably never happened, and with them, LGBT rights. Do try to remember that sodomy was (and in some places, still is) a crime. Staying closeted was just a thing most LGBT people had to do back then, or risk be ostracized (and posibly imprisoned) by their community

 

 

What are the odds in the next few months, some concernocrats start protesting the lack of a homosexual relationship during character creation?

 

 

I don't even want to open that can of worms...

Posted

That's the first mod on my wishlist

 

Female version though. Going to strap her with a horse one if possible. It's a mutated world after all. My chick in a cryochamber with giddy up buttercup for 200 years? Can't tell me there wasn't any Marvin Gaye going on in there.

you I like

 

and on another note if you were paying attention to the e3 demo you can see that the place where you find the dog is called red rocket. 

Posted

 

you I like

 

and on another note if you were paying attention to the e3 demo you can see that the place where you find the dog is called red rocket. 

 

 

For a second I thought that was related, and then I was both amused and worried. :huh:

 

I'm sure we'll only be able to build in places that have a nearby bench like the one they show at the Red Rocket. . .personally, I plan to find a place where I can build a giant tower just to have a diving board into a body of water.

 

. . .also, I can't get over how glorious the melee system looks now: Pistol? Meet face. PISTOL WHIPPING! :wub:

Guest endgameaddiction
Posted

 

 

you I like

 

and on another note if you were paying attention to the e3 demo you can see that the place where you find the dog is called red rocket. 

 

 

For a second I thought that was related, and then I was both amused and worried. :huh:

 

I'm sure we'll only be able to build in places that have a nearby bench like the one they show at the Red Rocket. . .personally, I plan to find a place where I can build a giant tower just to have a diving board into a body of water.

 

. . .also, I can't get over how glorious the melee system looks now: Pistol? Meet face. PISTOL WHIPPING! :wub:

 

 

With the CK we'll be able to lay out some basics. Through CK we can place a workbench anywhere and add all the scrap materials we want on the map and build away. I think they just covered some the areas for console system to fiddle with, but with CK we can build pretty much anywhere we please.

 

I'm looking to build raider camps since I like to portray the raider/rebel/anarchist type of characters. I'm gonna have some wicked fun with building if I do buy this game.

 

Posted

I wonder if the dog is optional. I hate companions.

 

EDIT - People on the Bethsoft forum have 'concerns' about the male/female couple startup. *le sigh*

Posted

I honestly see that as a bad idea. Using SexLab for Fallout will just cause confusion and end up with Skyrim people creating topics in the wrong section and posting in the wrong topics.

I think you misread what I posted:

I'd just go with Sexout4 or maybe SexOn, but it's up to the creator really, hopefully a lot of the Skyrim animations etc might port over.

I'm only hoping the animations could be ported in some way rather than need completely new ones made, if the code/system was too, yes then it would need a new name or at least SexLabFO4.
Posted

I wonder if the dog is optional. I hate companions.

 

EDIT - People on the Bethsoft forum have 'concerns' about the male/female couple startup. *le sigh*

 

Concerns? Don't tell me they do not want to be subject to the idea of a typical heterosexual couple? 

Posted

I just watched the 4 E3 presentation and I'm fucking stunned. This is so much better than expected. :-o Even without sex it's going to be off the hook.

Guest endgameaddiction
Posted

 

I honestly see that as a bad idea. Using SexLab for Fallout will just cause confusion and end up with Skyrim people creating topics in the wrong section and posting in the wrong topics.

I think you misread what I posted:

I'd just go with Sexout4 or maybe SexOn, but it's up to the creator really, hopefully a lot of the Skyrim animations etc might port over.

I'm only hoping the animations could be ported in some way rather than need completely new ones made, if the code/system was too, yes then it would need a new name or at least SexLabFO4.

 

 

Halstrom that was to jaams post I didn't reply to. To me using the same name will just throw off more people and annoy some people here who already are annoyed from Skyrim peeps posting in the wrong section.

Posted

Well since they both use the same engine and Skyrim one is called Sexlab, how about Sexclinic. Yeah I know it is way to early to worry about naming it, but it never hurt to speculate

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