Formal Complaint

[mALX]

I am having trouble finding anyway to contact administration on this site.  I have always enjoyed this site and the unique mods that can sometimes be found only on this site, for instance the eires-ohmes-raht-khajiit.  

 

Until recently this site retained its class.    Yes, there are adult content mods on this site, but they are mods made of game characters, not real people.  

 

In creating these animations, many times real life examples are used to capture realism in the animations - this is all good and understandable - no problem.  

 

What I take issue with is the sudden downturn of the ads this site has decided to line the top/bottom/and sides of my screen with - raw porn, real humans  - not to mention that I am now getting pop-up porn ads when I come to this site.  

 

I don't browse porn sites;  and I come here because of the awesome modders this site has.  I don't like the idea that just because I would like some adult content in a mod, the administrators of this site correlate that with wanting to see porn plastered around me as I search for mods.   

 

This site is about modding games, creating a side to them that we may not find on other sites - it is not a porn hound site.  Why have our ads changed suddenly?  Is this site being relegated to the scummy dregs of the internet now?  

 

I vote we retain our class and keep our ads based in what we are all about - games, and the creation of better ways to play them.  I don't at all like the feeling of trying to browse this site for mods and being inundated with porn, and hope the administration takes note of this.  It has ruined my enjoyment of this site as a whole, which is a shame.   This place has always been about fun and games, let us keep it that way please.  

[DoctaSax]

We don't pick any ads ourselves; it's a service that we subscribe to. Due to the adult nature of the site's modding scene, regular advertizing services don't want anything to do with us. We'd prefer to have those, really, but no go. So we have to go with 'adult' ad services. If there are any drastic changes in what they offer lately, we probably don't know about it - one of the perks of being contributor or above is not having to see ads.

 

No matter how hard it can be to break even on the server costs, Ashal will never take it badly if you use adblock & such. He's cool like that.

 

You can always find the staff members over here

[Buddy Christ]

No matter how hard it can be to break even on the server costs, Ashal will never take it badly if you use adblock & such. He's cool like that.

 

 

 

And as a quick note: If someone feels bad about using an adblock, there is always a way to donate to make up for it.

 

Check this topic:

http://www.loverslab.com/topic/42508-this-site-cant-see-support/

 

I use an adblock, but I try to make up for it this way

[gregathit]

Come up with an alternate advertising method that will help pay to keep this site open and Ashal will be all ears.  Otherwise, you'll have to either pony up some cash (a lot actually) or deal with it.  Sites like this are NOT CHEAP to keep in operation.

[Ashal]

I am having trouble finding anyway to contact administration on this site. I have always enjoyed this site and the unique mods that can sometimes be found only on this site, for instance the eires-ohmes-raht-khajiit.

 

Until recently this site retained its class. Yes, there are adult content mods on this site, but they are mods made of game characters, not real people.

 

In creating these animations, many times real life examples are used to capture realism in the animations - this is all good and understandable - no problem.

 

What I take issue with is the sudden downturn of the ads this site has decided to line the top/bottom/and sides of my screen with - raw porn, real humans - not to mention that I am now getting pop-up porn ads when I come to this site.

 

I don't browse porn sites; and I come here because of the awesome modders this site has. I don't like the idea that just because I would like some adult content in a mod, the administrators of this site correlate that with wanting to see porn plastered around me as I search for mods.

 

This site is about modding games, creating a side to them that we may not find on other sites - it is not a porn hound site. Why have our ads changed suddenly? Is this site being relegated to the scummy dregs of the internet now?

 

I vote we retain our class and keep our ads based in what we are all about - games, and the creation of better ways to play them.  I don't at all like the feeling of trying to browse this site for mods and being inundated with porn, and hope the administration takes note of this.  It has ruined my enjoyment of this site as a whole, which is a shame.   This place has always been about fun and games, let us keep it that way please.

 

The current ad setup on the site hasn't changed in about a year, nothing has changed about their setup recently as you seem to imply. 

 

If you know of some ad publisher that provides non-porn ads, decent rates, AND allows sites like this which include many pornographic downloads and screenshots as it's primary content. Then I will happily switch the site over to them in a heartbeat and consider you some sort of amazing mystical wizard. They simply don't exist. I tried switching the site over the adsense at one point, the ad account was quickly banned due to the content of this site.

 

Bottom line is simple, this site is expensive to keep up. There's a lot of traffic and most of it is people downloading large animation or armor mods.

 

And for the record, while as DoctaSax mentioned contributor and above have ads removed for them. Myself however, I have intentionally excluded from that behavior specifically so I would be subject to the ads as well and be aware at all times what they are like and be able to catch any particularly bad ones that slip through the cracks. Perhaps I'm simply desensitized to them at this point, or as the owner of the site I feel very different about them, but I have never found them to be particularly distracting like they can be on many other sites. The ratio of visible ads to visible site content heavily favors the site content and in the majority of locations you might be looking there is no ads visible at all unless scrolled all the way to the top or bottom of a page. 

 

I'm certainly not going to advocate the use of ad blocker's, as personally I think they are pushing the web in a bad direction and only contribute more to the problem they solve, but that's a debate for another time and place. I am however, not going to begrudge anybody for using it, least of all when it comes to porn ads.

[srayesmanll]

As a person lucky enough to be listed as a Contributer and have the ads removed by default, I have a question.  Is there a way for me to opt IN to seeing the ads?  I looked through my settings but did not see any option to turn them on.  I turned off AdBlock for the site a while back, but I just never really noticed the lack of ads.  I can't afford to donate, but I be glad to click through some ads if it helps out.

[wulfgear09]

 I am kinda taking offense to the fact you simply just do not understand what a treasure we have here, complete freedom of ideas, fetishes etc... and the best you have to say is i don't like the adds ,or have any idea what an add blocker is ... If you don't like what you see it can be turned off ,with a simple click . Or you try maintaining a server for 300k people and soon you will see glancing at some chick giving a blow job aint so bad.

 

 would be interested to see your load order

[StackEmHigh]

Oh, come on...you've thought of clicking it...

 

=P

 

[~magic~]

Just out of curiosity, why does it matter that the sex is real?

[Redflyingmonkey]

Ads aren't that bothersome. Zero pop ups, only small rectangles with hot chicks, way better than the boring online game bs you find everywhere else. It's the only site I disable adblock for and i almost don't even realize they're here most of the time. As you've said this is a modding site, made first and foremost for adult oriented mods. It's not that much of a surprise there'd be adult advertisement on it, so your arguments kind of sound contradictory. It IS a porn hound website as the huge sentence "Adult Modding Community" implies.

[Odessa]

Ashal, maybe you could start selling T-Shirts?

[techiespeek]

There are many ways a web site and hosting facility can make money without this form of advertising, but due to the sites primary content and imagery, I have to agree with Ashal, this limits options quite a bit. Private hosting is even more expensive than what Ashal does, but we get by with zero on line adds, our setup may be more diversified in it's service and support offerings.

[BruceWayne]

As a person lucky enough to be listed as a Contributer and have the ads removed by default, I have a question.  Is there a way for me to opt IN to seeing the ads?  I looked through my settings but did not see any option to turn them on.  I turned off AdBlock for the site a while back, but I just never really noticed the lack of ads.  I can't afford to donate, but I be glad to click through some ads if it helps out.

 

I don't think that a single member seeing ads really makes a difference. The ratio of contributors/registered users (who see ads) is around ~0,0002% so the loss is negligible. Adblock is probably more problematic, though I can definitely understand people using it, too. 

 

I can't remember exactly who it was, but a youtuber recently said, that if you were to watch all of his 1000+ videos back to back with ads enabled, he'd make a profit off of you that is about ~2$ after YT and his network take their share. I think we can safely assume that porn ads don't pay as well as regular YT/google ads, so even if you were to donate just a dollar, Ashal would theoretically benefit more, as if you were to click every ad over a long period of time.

 

(I'm not trying to goad you or anyone else into donating, I'm just trying to explain the math behind it)

[srayesmanll]

 

As a person lucky enough to be listed as a Contributer and have the ads removed by default, I have a question.  Is there a way for me to opt IN to seeing the ads?  I looked through my settings but did not see any option to turn them on.  I turned off AdBlock for the site a while back, but I just never really noticed the lack of ads.  I can't afford to donate, but I be glad to click through some ads if it helps out.

 

I don't think that a single member seeing ads really makes a difference. The ratio of contributors/registered users (who see ads) is around ~0,0002% so the loss is negligible. Adblock is probably more problematic, though I can definitely understand people using it, too. 

 

I can't remember exactly who it was, but a youtuber recently said, that if you were to watch all of his 1000+ videos back to back with ads enabled, he'd make a profit off of you that is about ~2$ after YT and his network take their share. I think we can safely assume that porn ads don't pay as well as regular YT/google ads, so even if you were to donate just a dollar, Ashal would theoretically benefit more, as if you were to click every ad over a long period of time.

 

(I'm not trying to goad you or anyone else into donating, I'm just trying to explain the math behind it)

 

 

Definitely understand that.  I just go by what I used to say as a kid when seeing a penny on the ground and someone else would say that it's "just a penny" (or in this case, a 100th of a penny ) - "Yeah, it's only a penny.  But it's a penny more than I had before..."

 

[pinky6225]

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I am having trouble finding anyway to contact administration on this site. I have always enjoyed this site and the unique mods that can sometimes be found only on this site, for instance the eires-ohmes-raht-khajiit.

Until recently this site retained its class. Yes, there are adult content mods on this site, but they are mods made of game characters, not real people.

In creating these animations, many times real life examples are used to capture realism in the animations - this is all good and understandable - no problem.

What I take issue with is the sudden downturn of the ads this site has decided to line the top/bottom/and sides of my screen with - raw porn, real humans - not to mention that I am now getting pop-up porn ads when I come to this site.

I don't browse porn sites; and I come here because of the awesome modders this site has. I don't like the idea that just because I would like some adult content in a mod, the administrators of this site correlate that with wanting to see porn plastered around me as I search for mods.

This site is about modding games, creating a side to them that we may not find on other sites - it is not a porn hound site. Why have our ads changed suddenly? Is this site being relegated to the scummy dregs of the internet now?

I vote we retain our class and keep our ads based in what we are all about - games, and the creation of better ways to play them.  I don't at all like the feeling of trying to browse this site for mods and being inundated with porn, and hope the administration takes note of this.  It has ruined my enjoyment of this site as a whole, which is a shame.   This place has always been about fun and games, let us keep it that way please.

 

The current ad setup on the site hasn't changed in about a year, nothing has changed about their setup recently as you seem to imply. 

 

If you know of some ad publisher that provides non-porn ads, decent rates, AND allows sites like this which include many pornographic downloads and screenshots as it's primary content. Then I will happily switch the site over to them in a heartbeat and consider you some sort of amazing mystical wizard. They simply don't exist. I tried switching the site over the adsense at one point, the ad account was quickly banned due to the content of this site.

 

Bottom line is simple, this site is expensive to keep up. There's a lot of traffic and most of it is people downloading large animation or armor mods.

 

And for the record, while as DoctaSax mentioned contributor and above have ads removed for them. Myself however, I have intentionally excluded from that behavior specifically so I would be subject to the ads as well and be aware at all times what they are like and be able to catch any particularly bad ones that slip through the cracks. Perhaps I'm simply desensitized to them at this point, or as the owner of the site I feel very different about them, but I have never found them to be particularly distracting like they can be on many other sites. The ratio of visible ads to visible site content heavily favors the site content and in the majority of locations you might be looking there is no ads visible at all unless scrolled all the way to the top or bottom of a page. 

 

I'm certainly not going to advocate the use of ad blocker's, as personally I think they are pushing the web in a bad direction and only contribute more to the problem they solve, but that's a debate for another time and place. I am however, not going to begrudge anybody for using it, least of all when it comes to porn ads.

 

 

 

None of the ad's i've seen show anything more than what you would have seen in game of thrones or spartacus blood and sands from my experience

 

 

[Cynical Misanthrope]

I absolutely despise ads and advertising. It's everywhere. On the Net, getting sent home and now even in Iphone/smartphones apps.

I rather toss my money directly to the ones I support, than getting interrupted every 2-3 seconds by ads and such.

 

However, this is an adult modding site, so ofc you gonna find adult ads. If you visit a a forum about cars, you prolly gonna find ads about cars...

 

There are few add-ons and plugins, that can be installed for you browser, that simply blocks ads and such.

[RitualClarity]

As a person lucky enough to be listed as a Contributer and have the ads removed by default, I have a question.  Is there a way for me to opt IN to seeing the ads?  I looked through my settings but did not see any option to turn them on.  I turned off AdBlock for the site a while back, but I just never really noticed the lack of ads.  I can't afford to donate, but I be glad to click through some ads if it helps out.

You can do like I do.. When I am not going to post and just checking my stuff I don't log on. I can see the mod pages and the ads. This helps in some small part.

 

Keep in mind being given contributor status is a thank you for your ... well contributions. This is recognition of the efforts and well... contributions to this site. These "contributions" are more valuable than the 0.001 cents you get from visually getting these adds. .. so go and contribute your ass off...

[germanicus]

Ashal, maybe you could start selling T-Shirts?

 

:D

I love this one. It's actually  great idea and it will bring some money to LL budget. The only problem is: how to do it for the people outside of US?

[RitualClarity]

 

Ashal, maybe you could start selling T-Shirts?

 

:D

I love this one. It's actually  great idea and it will bring some money to LL budget. The only problem is: how to do it for the people outside of US?

 

 

Forget the t shirts. Lovers stickers for your stuff. . Kind of like what is done for the let me google that for you.. 1 dollar for each.

 

If you do go for the t shirts how about this...

 

I'm not a Gamer, I am a Lover...

Using the established font and colors of lovers lab. .

 

Or

 

Not only am I a gamer I am a "lover".. Same as above.

[Ashal]

 

As a person lucky enough to be listed as a Contributer and have the ads removed by default, I have a question.  Is there a way for me to opt IN to seeing the ads?  I looked through my settings but did not see any option to turn them on.  I turned off AdBlock for the site a while back, but I just never really noticed the lack of ads.  I can't afford to donate, but I be glad to click through some ads if it helps out.

You can do like I do.. When I am not going to post and just checking my stuff I don't log on. I can see the mod pages and the ads. This helps in some small part.

 

Keep in mind being given contributor status is a thank you for your ... well contributions. This is recognition of the efforts and well... contributions to this site. These "contributions" are more valuable than the 0.001 cents you get from visually getting these adds. .. so go and contribute your ass off...

 

 It absolutely is fractions of a cent, especially with porn ads.

 

Nobody who has ever run a website has excitedly chosen to use porn ads over regular ones, the difference in revenue for equivalent traffic and clicks is astounding. In either case, contributors on this site should feel cheated if I'm being honest. Removing ads for them loses the site at most a dollar every month all combined, very likely much less than that, yet without them, the site essentially wouldn't exist to begin with. Removing ads is the least I could do, and if I could think of something more to give I absolutely would; you wanting to give back to me (and by extension LL) is the absolute opposite of how I picture it.

 

<adblock rant incoming>

 

And while it is just fractions of a cent per person, this is sort of a bad thing to be saying for somebody in my position. Everybody thinks "Hey I'm just one person, what's a few fractions of a penny lost" Problem with ad blockers is, you/they aren't just one person, you are one of thousands upon thousands, making those fractions of a penny add up very quickly.

 

"If sites would start using less ads and make them less annoying I wouldn't have to use ad blocker" says most people - and they are probably right, but if less people were using adblocker less sites have to use nearly as many annoying ads. It's a vicious give and take cycle; people use adblock, ad revenue goes down, add more ads to compensate and keep site alive, more people get annoyed by more ads and use ad blocker, ad revenue goes down, etc, etc.

 

Not to say adblockers are the problem here, they solve a very real problem that justly needed to be solved. A problem that was created by a few greedy individuals who have now dragged everybody else, no matter how deserving, along the downward spiral of sustainable free internet content. The problem is, in my opinion, that adblockers solve the issue in a way that only serves to make the problem worse in the long run, while continually building their own user base at the expense of others. 

 

What's the solution? Fuck if I know. I don't think the answer is moving to premium content models though for what it's worth, a lot of ad blocker advocates suggest this, but the dirty truth is that the vast majority of users would be completely outraged by their previously free, ad-supported, content suddenly required payment. Even if it were more profitable in the long run, many sites simply want to provide something to as many people as possible and be hassle free to manage on their end, and having to deal with payment processing is anything but hassle free.

 

My half-baked solution, make ad blockers work in the opposite direction by default. Block sites that are particularly bad and greedy with their ads, while the average site somebody might visit just once can still get their due or risk being blacklisted by repeat visitors.

[Chaos63]

Well shit...addblock off.

[germanicus]

 

 

Ashal, maybe you could start selling T-Shirts?

 

:D

I love this one. It's actually  great idea and it will bring some money to LL budget. The only problem is: how to do it for the people outside of US?

 

 

Forget the t shirts. Lovers stickers for your stuff. . Kind of like what is done for the let me google that for you.. 1 dollar for each.

 

If you do go for the t shirts how about this...

 

I'm not a Gamer, I am a Lover...

Using the established font and colors of lovers lab. .

 

Or

 

Not only am I a gamer I am a "lover".. Same as above.

 

 

ritual - as a matter of fact, you just gave me a gret idea. When summer comes, I'm gonna get some printed t-shirt with LL lines. It would be awesome .... :)

[jfraser]

I have my adblocker on on my laptop because i sometimes work on my mods and upload them at work. But the desktop lets them run wild and free. Where is the link to contribute? I'd be happy to send some cash your way.

[Buddy Christ]

 It absolutely is fractions of a cent, especially with porn ads.

 

 

 

Nobody who has ever run a website has excitedly chosen to use porn ads over regular ones, the difference in revenue for equivalent traffic and clicks is astounding. In either case, contributors on this site should feel cheated if I'm being honest. Removing ads for them loses the site at most a dollar every month all combined, very likely much less than that, yet without them, the site essentially wouldn't exist to begin with. Removing ads is the least I could do, and if I could think of something more to give I absolutely would; you wanting to give back to me (and by extension LL) is the absolute opposite of how I picture it.

 

<adblock rant incoming>

 

And while it is just fractions of a cent per person, this is sort of a bad thing to be saying for somebody in my position. Everybody thinks "Hey I'm just one person, what's a few fractions of a penny lost" Problem with ad blockers is, you/they aren't just one person, you are one of thousands upon thousands, making those fractions of a penny add up very quickly.

 

"If sites would start using less ads and make them less annoying I wouldn't have to use ad blocker" says most people - and they are probably right, but if less people were using adblocker less sites have to use nearly as many annoying ads. It's a vicious give and take cycle; people use adblock, ad revenue goes down, add more ads to compensate and keep site alive, more people get annoyed by more ads and use ad blocker, ad revenue goes down, etc, etc.

 

Not to say adblockers are the problem here, they solve a very real problem that justly needed to be solved. A problem that was created by a few greedy individuals who have now dragged everybody else, no matter how deserving, along the downward spiral of sustainable free internet content. The problem is, in my opinion, that adblockers solve the issue in a way that only serves to make the problem worse in the long run, while continually building their own user base at the expense of others. 

 

What's the solution? Fuck if I know. I don't think the answer is moving to premium content models though for what it's worth, a lot of ad blocker advocates suggest this, but the dirty truth is that the vast majority of users would be completely outraged by their previously free, ad-supported, content suddenly required payment. Even if it were more profitable in the long run, many sites simply want to provide something to as many people as possible and be hassle free to manage on their end, and having to deal with payment processing is anything but hassle free.

 

My half-baked solution, make ad blockers work in the opposite direction by default. Block sites that are particularly bad and greedy with their ads, while the average site somebody might visit just once can still get their due or risk being blacklisted by repeat visitors.

 

 

Ashal, I am sorry, but I prefer to keep my ad block on all the time. I just was wondering, what would be a fair monthly donation for someone who wants to keep his ad block running, but at the same time wants to support the site?

 

[RitualClarity]

Turning off Ad Blockers is one way to contribute to this site the other is what I did many years ago and tried to help each and every person I could. This helps newer members fix their issues and many will stay for the conversations and other fun things that goes on. increasing and making this site stronger can also help. Maybe some of those new people will keep their ad blocker off

 

It was hard at first to get use to the types of ads I seen here but after awhile they just faded into the background and I barely noticed them. Ashal does go through some serious effort to make sure that the locations and amounts are fair and not impeding on the reason for someone to be here with mods and other fun things like the Big board of fun. I am not too concerned with those Ads as well and like other contributors stated would be willing to accept a few more ads to help out if needed.

 

This has come up time and time again and each time it seems as if Ashal has problems getting a method to receive the money without risking getting ripped off loosing contributions and/or harming those kind enough to donate. Most reputable places that will handle money won't deal with sites that are considered porn sights. I agree it would be nice to have the ability to donate even a dollar once in awhile to help out.