Guffel Posted March 21, 2015 Author Posted March 21, 2015 Addiction does not work now Where is your problem exactly? Need more info here. Looks like you respond in this update to the Feedback of the users. that is nice. hopefully it works as intended. When didn't I respond to feedback? As long as it makes sense to me and fits into my picture of this mod, I try to implement new ideas.
Vuulgar Posted March 21, 2015 Posted March 21, 2015 I have been using this for a while, it works nicely with most all mods. I have been playing a male lately and was wondering if anything was planned for a force a follower to become addicted? Follower support is very late in the queue. Don't expect it anytime soon. It'd be a lot work and I have another focus I assumed it would be lots of work and possibly script heavy but I was curious about your answer. You can tell this is a good mod by the way it maks people think of other possibilities with related dynamics. You have also done a great job also making the drugs have a temptingly useful bonus, I have used Double Distilled Skooma to help in tough fights several times AND I have had no issues using this with most any other mod (I try almost everything making many, many new characters)
Guffel Posted March 21, 2015 Author Posted March 21, 2015 I have been using this for a while, it works nicely with most all mods. I have been playing a male lately and was wondering if anything was planned for a force a follower to become addicted? Follower support is very late in the queue. Don't expect it anytime soon. It'd be a lot work and I have another focus I assumed it would be lots of work and possibly script heavy but I was curious about your answer. You can tell this is a good mod by the way it maks people think of other possibilities with related dynamics. You have also done a great job also making the drugs have a temptingly useful bonus, I have used Double Distilled Skooma to help in tough fights several times AND I have had no issues using this with most any other mod (I try almost everything making many, many new characters) That's baically the reason why I planed it for later. Supporting the Follower is the same as supporting NPC in general. So I want to do this at the same time. Additionally it is a huge amount of work, about the same workload as this mod already needed. As next thing I want to focus on drug-related crimes and prostitution to flesh SW more out. And I'm happy to hear that SW doesn't seem to produce any conflicts so far. * * * A word to the update: I reduced the loot-chance for drugs massively and found a alarming bug with caused the Withdrawal Suppression effect to vanish after two minutes on "fast" addiction speed. I fixed that. I think the mod should play noticeable diffrent now. Let me know it there are to few drugs in the world now or so.
Storms of Superior Posted March 21, 2015 Posted March 21, 2015 When I use OBIS, the drugs drop like mad. It takes away the gold sink, and there is never a reason to wind up in a brothel as a consequence of addiction. Not related, but did you ever consider adding the Markarth warrens as an alternative brothel?
Guffel Posted March 21, 2015 Author Posted March 21, 2015 When I use OBIS, the drugs drop like mad. It takes away the gold sink, and there is never a reason to wind up in a brothel as a consequence of addiction. Not related, but did you ever consider adding the Markarth warrens as an alternative brothel? Do the drugs still drop with v0.9.5 so much? I have plans with the warrens. Not a real brothel, but more a open red light district where the player (next to other addicted) can offer themselfes; without any pimp though.
check Posted March 21, 2015 Posted March 21, 2015 for the people who are bothered by the longwinded drugged state from vaermina price and so on. You can change timescale in the console. Just go somewhere safe and "set timescale to 1000" and have the effects speed by very fast.
nhsduyebe Posted March 21, 2015 Posted March 21, 2015 Addiction does not work now Where is your problem exactly? Need more info here. I just use more and more skooma. I used all "starter-kit". And no addiction stage.. Does anyone else have this?
Guest Posted March 21, 2015 Posted March 21, 2015 Could you make it possible to change the chance of finding drugs on corpses? Or to remove them completely. They are too expensive and i struggle to not sell them so it would break game balance. Btw, changing drug prices would be cool too.
Guffel Posted March 21, 2015 Author Posted March 21, 2015 Addiction does not work now Where is your problem exactly? Need more info here. I just use more and more skooma. I used all "starter-kit". And no addiction stage.. Does anyone else have this? They are now called decay phases (stages?). You only get them when the Withdrawal Suppression effect ends, which takes a while. Could you make it possible to change the chance of finding drugs on corpses? Or to remove them completely. They are too expensive and i struggle to not sell them so it would break game balance. Btw, changing drug prices would be cool too. Unfortunatly prices and drop rates can't be accessed via script and therefore I can't make any option for this.
ttpt Posted March 21, 2015 Posted March 21, 2015 Selling drugs for gold should be easily solved once you set that up as a crime somehow. And the speech penalties when addicted are a pretty good goldsink already.
nutluck Posted March 21, 2015 Posted March 21, 2015 Will check out the changes later if I get time tonight or if not the next day or two. On a side note have you ever considered doing stuff with Redwater Den? It is a skooma den added by the Dawnguard DLC. Obviously it is a place to buy skooma, I don't know if all your versions are sold there but you could add them. Also it would be a decent spot to add a place where the PC is sent to whore out for skooma. Help make the other customers happy for skooma. Anyways just a thought.
Content Consumer Posted March 21, 2015 Posted March 21, 2015 Will check out the changes later if I get time tonight or if not the next day or two. On a side note have you ever considered doing stuff with Redwater Den? It is a skooma den added by the Dawnguard DLC. Obviously it is a place to buy skooma, I don't know if all your versions are sold there but you could add them. Also it would be a decent spot to add a place where the PC is sent to whore out for skooma. Help make the other customers happy for skooma. Anyways just a thought. That would require making Dawnguard a dependency. I'm all for it, but that's because I have Dawnguard... other people might not.
nutluck Posted March 21, 2015 Posted March 21, 2015 Will check out the changes later if I get time tonight or if not the next day or two. On a side note have you ever considered doing stuff with Redwater Den? It is a skooma den added by the Dawnguard DLC. Obviously it is a place to buy skooma, I don't know if all your versions are sold there but you could add them. Also it would be a decent spot to add a place where the PC is sent to whore out for skooma. Help make the other customers happy for skooma. Anyways just a thought. That would require making Dawnguard a dependency. I'm all for it, but that's because I have Dawnguard... other people might not. Yeah I thought about that, but at this point does anyone really not have all the DLC's with all the steam sales? I suppose some might not but with how cheap they get during Black Friday and Summer sale I just kinda assumed everyone that bought the main game by now would have bought the DLC's. I mean this past Black Friday you could get the Legendary Edition for 15 US. I think the DLC's where 5 bucks each.
Guffel Posted March 21, 2015 Author Posted March 21, 2015 ContentConsumer is right. I don't want to make Dawnguard a requirement. I thought about making an extra version for it. But my time is not unlimited though, I will do other stuff at first.
nutluck Posted March 21, 2015 Posted March 21, 2015 ContentConsumer is right. I don't want to make Dawnguard a requirement. I thought about making an extra version for it. But my time is not unlimited though, I will do other stuff at first. Well this was more of a long term suggestion. I was working on a group of suggestions for the mod, I thought of it while working on Solutions.
nutluck Posted March 22, 2015 Posted March 22, 2015 Ok I am working on Dawnguard vampire side for Solutions for spots to add in extra parts and I came to the Redwater Den. Which got me to thinking how it could fit in with this mod. This is my suggestion and it is just a suggestion, I thought I would share and feel free to ignore it. These are long term suggestions for the future of the mod to add some variety and depth. Not something easily or quickly done any time soon. Guffel I know you just said you was not looking at the Redwater den but that is what I was working on when i got idea's for that. So I added the suggestion anyways, feel free to ignore it. Just sharing my idea's incase you want to use any of them. If you do great, if not no worries. This is going on the assumption that there will be a few options to acquire skooma from the skooma dealers. This branches off the dialogue tree after you tell them you don't have the gold. With the exception of Angeline who I will get to. Dealer - How do you expect to pay? You - I'm willing to do anything for a bottle if you know what I mean. Dealer - Ah, well I might be interested. But if you are that desperate you could go see my friend XXXX and the inn(this would be someone at the local inn), you could also head to Redwater Den, they might have a use for you, or there is brothel that's hiring. They will not only pay you but provide you with skooma.(Rajela does not offer to seen you to a local friend and Angeline does not offer sex as a option, they both only have 4 options) at this point the you have 5 options. First option. you - No I... I changed my mind. (takes you back to the dialogue with a chance to just buy it) Second option (this option does not work with Angeline, she instead offers to make it for you as is current) You - How about I suck your cock like it's never been sucked before and then you give me a bottle?(Dealer can say yes or no depending on how often you used that offer, yes leads to a BJ and a bottle, if he says no) Dealer - No I don't think so. You - Come on, I need it. How about I let you fuck my pussy for a bottle?(again Dealer can say yes or not depending on how often you have offered. Yes leads to sex and a bottle, if no)(goes with out saying this is only a option if the you are female) Dealer - I don't think so, I and who knows how many others have fucked that thing enough that last time I nearly fell in. You - You can fuck me up the ass then if you want. (same as above, though if he says no then only the other options are a way to get skooma. My suggestion for handling this sex is kinda like the addiction score. The more you have sex with them the less they say no, but if you wait long enough it goes back down and they might agree to sex again) Third option To add some variety to the mod this one is broken up by dealer. Terebra and Godfred You - Who is this friend and how can they help? Dealer - Go see xxxx(inn keeper name in each city) tell them I sent you. They will get you set up. Angeline You - You want me to get the stuff? Ok but I need a fix now, can you help me out right now and I will bring you the stuff later? Angeline - No dear, I'm sorry. Just try and hurry and I will make it for you as soon as you get back. (after the first time you talk to her and this comes up, once the conversation is over. Her niece Vivienne comes over and starts a conversation) Vivienne - I couldn't help but overhear, if you are really desperate I might be able to help. You - How? I'm willing to do anything please! Vivienne - Go see Corpulus at the Winking Skeever and tell him I sent you, he will get you set up. Bora You - Who is this friend and how can they help? Dealer - Go see Ysolda tell her I sent you. She will get you set up.(this one is optional, you can just do it like the rest. The Ysolda one is fairly involved and will be at the bottom.) Regardless who they send you too they all tell you the same thing more or less. The innkeepers. You - I was told be xxx(dealer name) to come see you, said you might be able to help me out with my little problem. Innkeeper - You must be truly desperate if xxx sent you. Well you still look healthy enough. Ok here's the deal, put on something sexy and go whore yourself out. I want happy customers and your job is to make them really happy. Half the gold goes to me and the other half goes towards paying for your fix. For every five customers you make happy I will have a bottle waiting on you. Deal? You - I'm no whore. Innkeeper - Then what are you doing here? Anyways if you change your mind let me know.(this ends the conversation) You - Ok you got a deal. Innkeeper - Well then you best get to work. (this is pretty simple it lets you have sex with random NPC's for every 5 the innkeeper will have a bottle of skooma to hand over as payment. Like the best way to handle it is the same way Radiant did while working you get the dialogue option and then you go back to the inn keeper and tell them you are done for the night, or the extra dialogue with NPC's could be linked to a dress/amulet and it only works in the inn. Not sure how best to do this, I know it worked on Radiant to turn the dialogue on and off for whoring) Option four Redwater Den, this is a official skooma den in Skyrim. It is part of the Dawnguard DLC and it can be a future add on or optional download for DLC support. I just seems like to good of a opportunity to not use it. I know Gruffel is reluctant to add it but just in case i am offering the suggestion anyways. Obvious if you don't want to do it like all the suggestions feel free to ignore them. Only change if you talk to the dealer in the den. You - I was told you might be able to help me out, my dealer said you could score me some skooma. Dealer - Ah another one, well as I am sure you know. A side effect of skooma is it often leaves your horny. Go fuck three of our customers to give them the best experience possible and then come see me and I will hook you up. Just act casual like you are just attracted to them. You go and have a option to seduce the customers You - Hey there handsome/beautiful, I could help but notice you. addict - Do I know you? You - No but would you like to? I don't know about you but this stuff always makes me a randy as a sabra cat in heat and I couldn't help but notice you. addict - Well this must be my lucky day then. (which leads to sex, after three can go see the dealer for a bottle of skooma) Option Five They send you to the brothel. My suggestion for the brothel would be to put it in Riften. Just add a new door down along the waterway which zones into the brothel. It seems like a good place to put it and fitting. To start it I would say send them to talk to Sapphire in Riften who directs you to the brothel which is run by the thieves guild. I won't get into that until you decided what you want to do with the brothel then I will have suggestions for things the PC can do or be sent to do. This could also be a nice way to allow for a alternative way to join the thieves guild. Optional Ysolda idea Ysolda as we know from the vanilla game is a drug dealer so I thought she fit in as someone to add more variety as she has a lot of dealings with the other races. You - Hi, uh Bora said you might be able to help me out with a problem I have. Ysolda - Did he now? Well lets have a look at you, yes yes I think you will do nicely. I'm not going to sugar coat this. I need someone that is willing to run errands for me, make my business partners happy and when your not doing that. You'll be earning me gold by whoring yourself out for me. In exchange I will keep you in steady supply of skooma. You - That's it and you will give me a steady supply? Ysolda - Yes all the skooma you need, but understand if we enter into this arrangement I own you. That pretty little mouth, pussy and ass, along with the rest of your body belongs to me. Deal. (obviously if the PC is male she doesn't mention pussy) You - I don't know, maybe I should think about this. Ysolda - If you change your mind you know where to find me. (this ends the conversation) You - Ok deal. Ysolda - Meet me at my house this even then and we will get started. For now have a taste. (get a bottle of skooma) When you go meet Ysolda in her house. You - You wanted to see me? Ysolda - Yes I wanted to get a better look at you. Now take off your clothes so I can see you. (PC is auto stripped, Ysolda has different lines depending on the PC's gender next) If PC is male Ysolda- Nice nice, nice muscle tone. Flat stomach, firm ass and a nice big cock. Now why don't you show me what you can do with that cock.(which leads to sex, after the conversation continues) Ysolda - *pant* That was... not bad, not bad at all. But not all of my business associates are female, in fact most of them are male. Lets see how you take to be fucked. You - No way, I'm not that desperate. Ysolda - Then I have no further use for you, get out! (which ends the conversation) You - I'll do anything it takes. Ysolda - Good to hear, now bend over. (this leads to sex again with Ysolda using a strapon on the PC, after which it leads back into the conversation same as the females have) If PC is female Ysolda - Very nice, nice firm tits, firm tight ass and very beautiful. Yes you will do nicely. I am sure a pretty little thing like you already knows how to take cock. So why don't you show me what you can do with that tongue of yours. you - Sorry I don't like girls that way. Ysolda - Stupid little bitch, then get out! (which ends the conversation) you - It will be my pleasure. (which leads to lesbian oral sex) Dialogue tree rejoined for both genders after sex. Ysolda - Yes you will do nicely, we can go far together. Now lets get down to business. You - When do I get a bottle of skooma? Ysolda - Soon soon, I told you I would keep you supplied. First I need you to do something for me. I have a deal with the guards to look the other way. But some of them have been getting a little greedy, I want you to go to the barracks and remind them of the fringe benefits to a good working relationship with me brings. You - I don't, tell them what? Ysolda - Go tell them your my gift to them, let them fuck you till their hearts content and then come back and see me for your skooma. you - Oh! Ok right away. (this leads to the PC getting a key to Ysolda places and raising the relationship to max so the PC can come and go at all hours) The guards go to the barracks and talk to any guard. You - Ysolda sent me, she said she wanted me to remind you that a good working relationship is best for all. Guard - Did she now? You can tell her we decided what that is. You - You misunderstand. She sent me as a token of friendship for you and your friends. For the night this body belongs to all of you. Guard - Well why didn't you say that to begin with. Tell Ysolda we understand. (which leads to the guards pulling a train on the PC) Back to Ysolda You - I left the guards very pleased, but I am so sore I can barely walk. Ysolda - Good work my dear and I dare say you earned this. (give the PC 3 bottles of skooma) Now why don't you rest up for a day and the next night I want you to go work in the Bannered Mare. Make sure to wear this, (gives the PC a tavern wench dress) Hulda knows the score so she won't say anything. Let your customers know to pay me. For every three of them you service you get a bottle of skooma. You - Service three people, tell them to pay you and I get my skooma? Ysolda - Thats the deal. Oh and come see me every so often and I will have other jobs for you that will earn you a lot more skooma than that. You - I'll do that. (this works like the innkeeper whore above.) As for extra jobs for Ysolda I have several idea's that fit her but I will wait to see if Gruffel is even interested before doing more.
Krazyone Posted March 22, 2015 Posted March 22, 2015 Could you make an option for an ever faster addiction? I would like it to match what some NPC in the game say about skooma "once you've had a taste, you'll never crave anything else" I'd like it if when you get to level 1, you can't help yourself. Taking one skooma a day out of your own inventory, and drinking it... Forcing you not to carry Skooma, for fear of increasing your Skooma addiction... Or a Hardcore option, where you get the shakes when you need your doses of Skooma. Leaving you unable to hold a weapon, as it keeps dropping out of your hands, forcing you to rely totally on magic... An extreme disadvantage...
Siudhne Posted March 22, 2015 Posted March 22, 2015 Awesome update, exactly what was needed to fully enjoy this nice mod. Edit: Actually, I'm not too fond of the new withdrawal effects cluttering the log every 2 minutes and preventing you to move further every 5. Especially with them breaking whatever you doing (fighting, smithing, alchemy w/e). How about a MCM tag for these? Edit2: If weapons drawn, it doesn't let you attack for a while unless you reequip some weapon manually. Strange.
ShadowStrikeAssassin Posted March 22, 2015 Posted March 22, 2015 I love the mod so far, but the visual effects are so annoying. I can't seem to wait an out because I literally just waited 10 days and the effect is still there. How much longer does the eye-straining colours last for? They're really hurting my eyes and giving me a headache. It would be fine is I could wait them out, but I just can't. It just seems to be there forever, mocking me. I don't know what skooma is was because it was randomly forced upon me when I was having consensual sex with some one (not rape) for money (prostitution mods ftw).
Guffel Posted March 22, 2015 Author Posted March 22, 2015 Awesome update, exactly what was needed to fully enjoy this nice mod. Edit: Actually, I'm not too fond of the new withdrawal effects cluttering the log every 2 minutes and preventing you to move further every 5. Especially with them breaking whatever you doing (fighting, smithing, alchemy w/e). How about a MCM tag for these? damn.. I set the interval to 1/2 in game hour for testing, I wanted to set it higher before uploading but forgot . But there is a mcm option. You can set the re-occuring interval or turn them off. I love the mod so far, but the visual effects are so annoying. I can't seem to wait an out because I literally just waited 10 days and the effect is still there. How much longer does the eye-straining colours last for? They're really hurting my eyes and giving me a headache. It would be fine is I could wait them out, but I just can't. It just seems to be there forever, mocking me. I don't know what skooma is was because it was randomly forced upon me when I was having consensual sex with some one (not rape) for money (prostitution mods ftw). Which effects don't you like in particular? Most of them are barely more than a blurr and only three are reather heavy and these have light versions. The forced-drugging looks out for animation with the "aggressive" or "rape" tag. If you prostitution uses them it triggers the force-drugging even if its not really a rape. Edit: Ok, now I've seen your screenshot. Wow. That is not supposed to happen, I have no idea what could have triggered this, i've never seen this before. Are you sure you use the newest version? The visuals stop by itselfs now and should end in under 10 minutes. Only "Verminas Price" lasts for full 10 min. and is the longest.
ShadowStrikeAssassin Posted March 22, 2015 Posted March 22, 2015 Awesome update, exactly what was needed to fully enjoy this nice mod. Edit: Actually, I'm not too fond of the new withdrawal effects cluttering the log every 2 minutes and preventing you to move further every 5. Especially with them breaking whatever you doing (fighting, smithing, alchemy w/e). How about a MCM tag for these? damn.. I set the interval to 1/2 in game hour for testing, I wanted to set it higher before uploading but forgot . But there is a mcm option. You can set the re-occuring interval or turn them off. I love the mod so far, but the visual effects are so annoying. I can't seem to wait an out because I literally just waited 10 days and the effect is still there. How much longer does the eye-straining colours last for? They're really hurting my eyes and giving me a headache. It would be fine is I could wait them out, but I just can't. It just seems to be there forever, mocking me. I don't know what skooma is was because it was randomly forced upon me when I was having consensual sex with some one (not rape) for money (prostitution mods ftw). Which effects don't you like in particular? Most of them are barely more than a blurr and only three are reather heavy and these have light versions. The forced-drugging looks out for animation with the "aggressive" or "rape" tag. If you prostitution uses them it triggers the force-drugging even if its not really a rape. Edit: Ok, now I've seen your screenshot. Wow. That is not supposed to happen, I have no idea what could have triggered this, i've never seen this before. Are you sure you use the newest version? The visuals stop by itselfs now and should end in under 10 minutes. Only "Verminas Price" lasts for full 10 min. and is the longest. I am indeed sure that I have the newest version. It managed to stop after I waited 3 minutes real time after setting time scale to 100000. So, at least I now know its not permanent and what to do next time it happens. I think it was Verminas Price that was force-drugged onto me, I remember seeing "something price equipped" now that you mention it. It was certainly a horrifying experience. It was funny at first until it became worse and completely unbearable.
Siudhne Posted March 22, 2015 Posted March 22, 2015 Awesome update, exactly what was needed to fully enjoy this nice mod. Edit: Actually, I'm not too fond of the new withdrawal effects cluttering the log every 2 minutes and preventing you to move further every 5. Especially with them breaking whatever you doing (fighting, smithing, alchemy w/e). How about a MCM tag for these? damn.. I set the interval to 1/2 in game hour for testing, I wanted to set it higher before uploading but forgot . But there is a mcm option. You can set the re-occuring interval or turn them off. Oh, that's great! Though my MCM menu looks exactly as of 0.9.4. - it probably did not update succesfully. Will deinstall/reinstall and look for additional options. Edit: Did just that and now I can see it.
killercam21 Posted March 22, 2015 Posted March 22, 2015 hahaha lmao those visuals I used to get those waiting doesnt stop it. Then again the only time I got really bad visual effects was when I took more than one of each drug. ended up getting blurry screen plus wierd colors plus distorted colors of peoples faces plus seeing three of myself and everyone around me. Was like a nightmare although sounds like its been fixed
008zulu Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 Found a few bugs. When holding a weapon and you have a "need a hit moment" it puts your arms down and you are unable to use the weapon unless you un-equip and re-equip. When riding a horse and you have a "need a hit moment" you stand up on the horse, fall through it and take damage, afterwards it locks out the player controls. It interrupts various animation sequences (mining, crafting, sex and milking)
Deadly Kitten Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 Found a few bugs. When holding a weapon and you have a "need a hit moment" it puts your arms down and you are unable to use the weapon unless you un-equip and re-equip. When riding a horse and you have a "need a hit moment" you stand up on the horse, fall through it and take damage, afterwards it locks out the player controls. This is a bug with the game engine, having to do with something that forces you to not be able to take actions with weapons. DD:I does this with some of the vibration events. At least in reference to your first problem. Don't have a clue about the second.
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