Deviously Cursed Loot LE 9.0 (2021-03-09)

[A Little Kitten]

19 minutes ago, danta said:

the princess option is not appearing for me in alternative start 

Did you install the mod with selecting the option Live another life mod ?
First you selected body type (cbbe unp) and right after third from top was the option for live another life mod... then was  the documentation or something.. thats how i remember it.

yes oyu have to select this during the instalation of dcl.

[DvPl]

Is there a guide to escaping Dagonar somewhere? It'd be handy for troubleshooting something.

[Viri1]

On 5/18/2019 at 12:01 PM, donkeywho said:

 

- not sure yet what happened to my DCL follower on imprisonment, but maybe they could be given a cell and spend their day doing the Fashion Show walk in the main hall?  All they need to do is walk to and fro, with the occasional costume change to make it fun.   OK, as decorative only, we might need to have a healthy dose of imagination as to how they get out with us at the end, or escape, if they then just 'appear' with the PC but, hey! this is Skyrim, so what's new about that? ?

 

 

 

Or getting them out becomes part of the escape plan. With a chance for failure of course. Or even better, a chance they somehow "take over" your plan, and escape, leaving you to be caught and get punished.

 

Or with an option to just leave them there, even telling them "I'm leaving, you do the rest of the sentence, lulz" And when you get out, you get a message about them "leaving your service". When you come back for them, instead of the usual dialogue, they have a chance to take revenge. Maybe even handing you over to the prison, restarting your sentence, this time with no follower.

 

The potential is endless, although followers in mods can be...finicky.

On 5/18/2019 at 5:43 PM, Lupine00 said:

 

 

My latest fantasy is that if you don't clear the bound girls from an area, they build up. And if too many build up, they decide that you should join them.

So you'd have to work to keep their numbers down ... with the risk of cursed items jumping onto you.

 

Being made to join them would be boring if it was simply more items - you're taking that risk to free them (in this scenario) anyway - but what if they put you in devices, and you gained a bound-girl follower, and had to do a repeatable quest to escape? And the follower replaces your items if you remove them. A repeatable quest you could complete in town, that might involve talking to lots of people while seriously bound ... maybe asking them to release the bound girls (but not you) ... and you can't practically leave town until it's done because of serious restraints (like petsuit or straightjacket and blindfold).

 

 

At the end, when enough bound girls are all free, they reward you with release, and a special collar - which is locked on - it has three charges - each charge acts like a lucky charm. You're stuck in a collar, with whatever consequences that has, until you've triggered three DCL traps. No new bound girls spawn while you have the collar on.

 

If you don't discharge the collar within a time limit, it might transform into a rubber doll collar...

 

Or ... instead of a three charge collar ... three items ... each acts like a lucky charm ... and can't be removed until discharged: collar, gag and belt. Gag is removed first, then collar, then belt.

 

And afterwards, you're in the "bound girl club" forever. You get some new dialogs with them. Maybe even a vendor who sells DARE boxes?

Maybe the vendor will sometimes help you escape restraints, and maybe sometimes the vendor will offer "Smoking Hot", or "LBA".

A "Bound Girl Club" storyline, perfect idea!

[Rogwar002]

2 hours ago, Mart0206 said:

Just as i thougt, but thanks for your fast response. Might the import/export settings - feature still work?

Perhaps.

But if it doesn´t try this (not for playing, just to receive a valid import file):

- port your toon to qasmoke (coc qasmoke in console)

- save your game and exit to desktop

- delete DCL6.4 from your load order

- make DCL 8.x part of your load order

- start your game and load the one in qasmoke

- in 90% of all attempts it should load and DCL8.x will initalize

- export your settings

 

This is not for gameplay. Just to have the valid exported settings file!!!

 

But hey, is it really worth the effort? Just use a piece of paper or make screenshots...?

[Mr Technician]

21 hours ago, Windorf said:

I'm having this issue where people are a red triangle with a white inner shape when they should be naked, my character included. It only started after I upgraded to 8.3. Can someone tell me what happened? Is there something wrong with the textures?

This looks like Skyrim can't find meshes. So the *.NIF files are called "meshes" and they are clearly missing - so you see a red triangle while playing a game. If it would be purple object - no textures - *.DDS files. Something is wrong with your setup. Or you simply lost some of your files. I highly doubt it is Deviously Cursed Loot fault. It's more likely that something has messed up with your body mod like CBBE or UUNP. 

 

This is an example:

I use "All-in-One UUNP HDT Animated Pussy 4.0" mod. So inside folder:

C:\Games\Mod Organizer\mods\All-in-One UUNP HDT Animated Pussy 4.0\meshes\actors\character\character assets\

... i should have meshe (*.NIF) files for female bodies:

 

femalebody_0.nif   <- this is zero body weight

femalebody_1.nif   <- this is maxed body weight, THICC body: bigger breasts, wider hips and legs

femalefeet_0.nif

femalefeet_1.nif

femalehands_0.nif

femalehands_1.nif

... with also ...

femalebody.tri   <- those files with extensions *.TRI are needed for sliders to work in RaceMenu

femalefeet.tri

femalehands.tri

 

So if femalebody_0.nif and femalebody_1.nif are missing - i would see red triangle on every female in the game.

All above files are pre-generated by a mod or i can generate them by myself in BodySlide and Outfit Studio. And they should be present in my mod structure.

 

So if there is no meshe Skyrim can't place texture files on top of them (shows red triangle instead)

 

(Extra for you - in the spoiler below.)

Spoiler

This is mesh femalebody_0.nif and how it looks like - from NifScope editor:

 

This is mesh femalebody_1.nif and how it looks like - from NifScope editor:

 

Also textures for above meshes are kept in "All-in-One UUNP HDT Animated Pussy 4.0" mod - in a separate folder:

C:\Games\Mod Organizer\mods\All-in-One UUNP HDT Animated Pussy 4.0\textures\actors\character\female\

 

femalebody_1.dds   <- this is main body texture for female characters, inside this there are also integrated feet textures (so there is no separate file called "femalefeet_1.dds" and therefore never will be in Skyrim base game)
femalebody_1_msn.dds
femalebody_1_s.dds
femalebody_1_sk.dds
femalehands_1.dds   <- this is hands texture for female characters
femalehands_1_msn.dds
femalehands_1_s.dds
femalehands_1_sk.dds
femalehead.dds   <- this is main face and overall scalp texture for female characters
femaleheaddetail_frekles.dds
femaleheaddetail_rough.dds
femaleheadvampire.dds   <- this is main face texture for female characters who decided to become a vampire
femaleheadvampire_msn.dds
femaleheadvampire_s.dds
femaleheadvampire_sk.dds
femalehead_msn.dds
femalehead_s.dds
femalehead_sk.dds

 

If you have meshes - you can view your textures in BodySlide for your body.

 

(Extra for you - in the spoiler below.)

Spoiler

This is female body with slider set to zero and how it looks like on mesh femalebody_0.nif - from BodySlide and Outfit Studio:

 

This is female body with slider set to one hundred and how it looks like on mesh femalebody_1.nif - from BodySlide and Outfit Studio:

 

So i don't know what happened with your files - but surely they are not present. And thats the reason you see a red triangle. I don't know what mod of yours caused this. You need to find it by your own. All above files as on my example should be present in my mod setup. If those files are not present - i would have a problem just as you have right now.

Every mod that changes appearance of females - keep up to those file names. They simply are overplaced by default Skyrim models.

 

Wish you luck with your findings.

[Mr Technician]

@Windorf Also - just make sure you have latest:

 

Devious Devices Assets v3.0e

Devious Devices Integration 4.2

Devious Devices Expansion 4.2

 

They are needed to play with DCL 8.3. ?

[MaikCG]

2 hours ago, Kimy said:

I believe I fixed that in the newest version. Is that the one you're using? If yes, I'd love to have a log. 

8.3 (updated from 8.2, 8.2 has been installed to clean save)

But the log is empty (except trash out of SIC), only open door event when I entered the tavern, video speedrun with this (russian subtitles) ┐( ˘ ､ ˘ )┌

In one of the attempts the stablemaster in Windhelm had no dialogue from the quest.

 

Papyrus.0.log.7z plugins.txt

[RegisteredUser]

On 5/18/2019 at 6:43 PM, Lupine00 said:

I just had a thought that it would add some ... immersion ... if device comments had a customisation option, so NPCs only do bad things if you're:

1) gagged

2) blindfolded

3) in heavy bondage

(Tick box for each).

 

Otherwise you can only get neutral (walk away) or helpful outcomes (give a key, or remove all restraints).

 

This could stop the unimmersive scenario where you have a belt or collar, or some other non-restraining item, and NPCs decide to lock you in practically a full-set, and you just let them.

 

I like the idea of doing more with device comments. Or generally NPC reactions. It's one of the best features in DCL, in my opinion. Many mods add items or quests or even mechanics, but very few succeed in actually connecting themselves with the world of Skyrim. Something as simple as an NPC acknowleding that you're tied up - no active reaction required - is a bigger deal for immersion than it seems at first glance.

 

Something I've always wanted is the world around you remembering who you are. Imagine if the first time you came to town buck naked in a yoke, the reactions would be surprised and generally helpful. The third time, they might be more passive, leaving you to deal with your recurring problem yourself. The fifth time? Perhaps people are starting to think you're just that needy for attention, and will start giving it to you, in the form of helping themselves to your bound body... or perhaps they will think you're into being tied up, and will lean towards helping you out with additional restraints. Or maybe - once DD gets bondage furniture support - they might decide to lock you up for an afternoon of public display in the town square, which you so obviously crave.

 

(This could, of course, be combined with your suggestions.)

 

Imagine the gameplay effect. You just hit a cursed trap, and need help. How about going into the nearby village? Well, have you gone there before? If no, that's good, you'll very likely find help, or at least won't be bothered by too much lewd attention. But if you already have a reputation there? Well, perhaps it might be better to go elsewhere, or risk being taken advantage of. Of course, if you go elsewhere, you will start building a reputation over there too... there's only so much easy help to be found before all of Skyrim has clued on to the fact that you're a kinky little bondage slut.

 

The only mod I've seen so far that tried for a kind of player reputation system for adult content is Sexual Fame Framework - and that's unfinished, outdated, overcomplicated, and (I'm sorry) has atrociously bad English. Nevermind that it's a framework that expects other mods to provide content for it... and only one single mod ever did.

 

11 hours ago, donkeywho said:

'Rug Inspection with Master Woolruff'

(Master Woolruff inspects a Khajiit)

 

"You have a fine rug, cat!"

[pedal92]

Kimy, I think I have found the cause of the stuttering that some of us have, its not a mod problem or DCL problem so to speak.  I'll explain what I have found, and please correct me where I'm wrong, and let me know where I am right.

 

In short Deviously Cursed Loot is running its arousal based body scaling on my followers.

I have this disabled in the MCM, but now I'm guessing the MCM settings are only applying to my PC, and I think on some games it may be causing the stutter.  Especially the ones with sexlab aroused and HDT installed.  Here's how I found it.

 

While at High Hrothgar I noticed my two followers were, well getting alot more endowed.  I know, that I have no other mods that do this and I remembered that there were settings in DCL's MCM for this.  I checked their arousal, sure enough 100 for both. I proceeded to lower one of my followers arousal?.  Went back in the building and her breast and butt had went back to their original size.  I then shut down all functions in DCL's MCM, and waited while her arousal went back up to 100, and no body change this time.

 

So with DCL still shut down I lowered my other followers arousal??.  This time no changes in her body, and it was still blessed lol.  

 

The MCM settings for arousal body scaling are unchecked and my character doesn't scale, however my followers still do.  

 

This didn't happen to me on DCL 7.3 and would explain why shutting down all functions would fix the stutter. It would also explain why it would be worse with the more followers you have.  When it was stuttering so bad I couldn't play I had three female followers, two followers stutter less, and one even less.

 

That said, I never ask much from modders.  I know that you are busy and its not your place to accommodate me,  but I would like to ask you for something.

Would you check the code and see if DCL is running its arousal based scaling on followers, and if it is, would you please give us an option to turn it off.  If this is wrong, I apologize.

 

Thank you Kimy for all the hard work you do for us.

 

 

[r5e4w3q2]

1 hour ago, pedal92 said:

The MCM settings for arousal body scaling are unchecked and my character doesn't scale, however my followers still do.  

 

 Interesting, I do not see this in my game.  I may have missed it but I don't think you mentioned if your game is a fresh start with v8.3 or a game in progress that was updated along the way?

[Kimy]

Interesting. I will have a look into this. I have no idea why this feature would cause stuttering, but if it's confirmed, I will remove this feature.

[Zaflis]

5 hours ago, Kimy said:

Interesting. I will have a look into this. I have no idea why this feature would cause stuttering, but if it's confirmed, I will remove this feature.

I guess i can confirm that having cursed loot functions enabled does cause stutter, and having 3 followers makes them more frequent and last for few more milliseconds than normally. When disabling the features i don't stutter at all, enabling and it comes back. I don't normally play with more than 1 follower though, it does make Skyrim unstable (because of this feature?), for example i tried twice to enter helgen cave with them but i crashed both times. Told them to wait outside and no crash. However it does not prevent me from playing, i can run around all of Whiterun stables surroundings and so on without crashing.

 

I don't think i have other mods that increase followers arousal, but by now all of them are capped to 100. So i don't know, why does that stutter? There is no visual change required when updating arousal from 100 to 100. Other than that if it is left on in the mod, it doesn't need to happen for followers often at all. Maybe once every 3 or 5 minutes realtime. But i'd be fine without entire follower support for it, or at least that MCM option would also affect them.

 

Edit after Lupine's post, i don't have Deviously Helpless in my install order.

[Lupine00]

5 hours ago, Kimy said:

Interesting. I will have a look into this. I have no idea why this feature would cause stuttering, but if it's confirmed, I will remove this feature.

I wonder if it's a different mod doing it though, and not DCL.

I've never seen stutters with DCL by itself, only with DCL plus Deviously Helpless.

[pedal92]

8 hours ago, Kimy said:

Interesting. I will have a look into this. I have no idea why this feature would cause stuttering, but if it's confirmed, I will remove this feature.

I think the stutter is just a product of arousal, hdt on npcs and hdt armors, with kind of heavy games (scripts, high res textures, etc). I don't think its a bug or problem. 

 

On some games like mine with hdt everywhere, 2 to 3 followers and arousal running on npc's, the script and process of DCL checking and modifying the bodies of followers based on arousal may be overloading the game and causing the stutter (the straw that broke the camels back).

 

Maybe as DCL runs its arousal checks and modifies bodies, with hdt doing its thing and every other thing in the game doing its thing, it may be just a bit to much in some games.

 

I would never ask for it to be removed, but an MCM setting to disable arousal based body scaling for followers, or maybe to have the current settings in the MCM for the player apply to followers also, would be a nice option for those of us who may need it, and would be a fix, I think. 

 

Thank you Kimy

[ralphk11]

On 5/19/2019 at 10:01 AM, Mart0206 said:

Hello Kimy, hello folks,

 

well...been a while since i get myself updated about DCL and just returned here to get rid of a questions and just found out DCL is on version 8.3. Omg...where´s time going?

 

So, my initial question was just about the dollmaker. I finally found some time to play around with this feature. The talking option where the DM put on some special rubber suit for advertisement purpose and tells the player to go out and been seen...

How long have i wear it? Did i have to remove it by myself? There is no special quest.

 

And my 2nd quesion, and i am really sorry to ask that, but i am still using DCL version 6.4.

Can this be upgraded to 8.3 or is it better to start a new game?

 

Ugh, ast but not least, the new "Working Girl" feature, does this conflict wiit "Radiant Prostitution" Any expirience with that?

 

greetings to all

I started a new game after upgrading so I thought I would try out the new working girl feature.   First off it uses the [Solicitation] option in the chat, I have Radiant Prostitution and TDF installed and they both work alongside that.  I did agree a contract with Hulda.  I then got told I needed to earn 48000 gold, which is a fair bit.  Then despite playing with the min/max gold per level my PC was only earning 10 gold per customer.  I decided this was a bit too long a commitment so I went back to an earlier save.  There does not seem to be an option to set the maximum amount to ear either.

[ralphk11]

10 hours ago, pedal92 said:

Kimy, I think I have found the cause of the stuttering that some of us have, its not a mod problem or DCL problem so to speak.  I'll explain what I have found, and please correct me where I'm wrong, and let me know where I am right.

 

In short Deviously Cursed Loot is running its arousal based body scaling on my followers.

I have this disabled in the MCM, but now I'm guessing the MCM settings are only applying to my PC, and I think on some games it may be causing the stutter.  Especially the ones with sexlab aroused and HDT installed.  Here's how I found it.

 

While at High Hrothgar I noticed my two followers were, well getting alot more endowed.  I know, that I have no other mods that do this and I remembered that there were settings in DCL's MCM for this.  I checked their arousal, sure enough 100 for both. I proceeded to lower one of my followers arousal?.  Went back in the building and her breast and butt had went back to their original size.  I then shut down all functions in DCL's MCM, and waited while her arousal went back up to 100, and no body change this time.

 

So with DCL still shut down I lowered my other followers arousal??.  This time no changes in her body, and it was still blessed lol.  

 

The MCM settings for arousal body scaling are unchecked and my character doesn't scale, however my followers still do.  

 

This didn't happen to me on DCL 7.3 and would explain why shutting down all functions would fix the stutter. It would also explain why it would be worse with the more followers you have.  When it was stuttering so bad I couldn't play I had three female followers, two followers stutter less, and one even less.

 

That said, I never ask much from modders.  I know that you are busy and its not your place to accommodate me,  but I would like to ask you for something.

Would you check the code and see if DCL is running its arousal based scaling on followers, and if it is, would you please give us an option to turn it off.  If this is wrong, I apologize.

 

Thank you Kimy for all the hard work you do for us.

 

 

I too have been getting a lot of stuttering, I just upgraded to the latest version of DCL.  I have other mods which would affect body scaling though.  It got so bad I started a new game and when in the MCM one of the mods was complaining about no XPMSE skeleton, which I do have.  I upgraded to XP32 Maximum Skeleton Extended-68000-4-51 and the mod stopped complaining.  So as an experiment I went back to the game that was stuttering and it was running fine.  I'm not sure if it's the new version or If I had corrupted the skeleton somehow.

[Reesewow]

40 minutes ago, ralphk11 said:

So as an experiment I went back to the game that was stuttering and it was running fine.  I'm not sure if it's the new version or If I had corrupted the skeleton somehow.

Outdated skeletons would certainly explain the stuttering, or why some people have it and others not.  Would be worth people checking their skeletons are up to date as a temporary fix.  

 

One thing to watch for - some older or misguided custom follower mods package a skeleton in with the follower which will almost certainly be outdated.  This was the one instance I can think of where I had stutter issues - using a follower that I didn't realize had an old skeleton file packed in a .bsa archive.

[Zaflis]

1 hour ago, Reesewow said:

One thing to watch for - some older or misguided custom follower mods package a skeleton in with the follower which will almost certainly be outdated.  This was the one instance I can think of where I had stutter issues - using a follower that I didn't realize had an old skeleton file packed in a .bsa archive.

Mod Organizer is good at telling that kind of conflicts. I can tell for example that SOS also includes skeleton, and that must not overwrite XPMSE (install order matters).

[ralphk11]

1 hour ago, Reesewow said:

Outdated skeletons would certainly explain the stuttering, or why some people have it and others not.  Would be worth people checking their skeletons are up to date as a temporary fix.  

 

One thing to watch for - some older or misguided custom follower mods package a skeleton in with the follower which will almost certainly be outdated.  This was the one instance I can think of where I had stutter issues - using a follower that I didn't realize had an old skeleton file packed in a .bsa archive.

I know what it was now, I installed a clothing mod at the end of my load order, normally a safe thing to do.  I went and looked and there is a skeleton on the mod, I didn't expect that.

[Rogwar002]

11 hours ago, Kimy said:

Interesting. I will have a look into this. I have no idea why this feature would cause stuttering, but if it's confirmed, I will remove this feature.

I can confirm that. Superfollower Zora from 3DNPC is changing the body, while getting more or less aroused. The stuttering is indeed from bodyscaling. I can confirm that, too. It will happen when you call NiOverride.UpdateModelWeight()

Have the same issue in Devious Body Alteration and circumvent it, by calling this function only, when the PC is idle (not sneaking, not running, not animating etc.).

If you bypass the function to a follower, the game will visible stutter. Even more visible, if it is running very smooth.

You´re doing this in line 853 from dcur_clocktickScript, without calling an idle check.

 

To circumvent it till there is a changed version folks: Disable follower support, because there is a call for followersupport in the bodyscaling function. If set to false, there will be no scaling for followers and therefore no stutter. On the other hand: the stutter will not do anything to your game, but only to your eyes

[bubba999]

13 hours ago, pedal92 said:

Kimy, I think I have found the cause of the stuttering that some of us have, its not a mod problem or DCL problem so to speak.  I'll explain what I have found, and please correct me where I'm wrong, and let me know where I am right.

 

In short Deviously Cursed Loot is running its arousal based body scaling on my followers.

I have this disabled in the MCM, but now I'm guessing the MCM settings are only applying to my PC, and I think on some games it may be causing the stutter.  Especially the ones with sexlab aroused and HDT installed.  Here's how I found it.

 

While at High Hrothgar I noticed my two followers were, well getting alot more endowed.  I know, that I have no other mods that do this and I remembered that there were settings in DCL's MCM for this.  I checked their arousal, sure enough 100 for both. I proceeded to lower one of my followers arousal?.  Went back in the building and her breast and butt had went back to their original size.  I then shut down all functions in DCL's MCM, and waited while her arousal went back up to 100, and no body change this time.

 

So with DCL still shut down I lowered my other followers arousal??.  This time no changes in her body, and it was still blessed lol.  

 

The MCM settings for arousal body scaling are unchecked and my character doesn't scale, however my followers still do.  

 

This didn't happen to me on DCL 7.3 and would explain why shutting down all functions would fix the stutter. It would also explain why it would be worse with the more followers you have.  When it was stuttering so bad I couldn't play I had three female followers, two followers stutter less, and one even less.

 

That said, I never ask much from modders.  I know that you are busy and its not your place to accommodate me,  but I would like to ask you for something.

Would you check the code and see if DCL is running its arousal based scaling on followers, and if it is, would you please give us an option to turn it off.  If this is wrong, I apologize.

 

Thank you Kimy for all the hard work you do for us.

 

 

I have noticed the stuttering also. It goes away when I turn it off.

It does not show up when using, say, Soul Gem Oven and growing huge boobs.

[Reesewow]

29 minutes ago, Rogwar002 said:

To circumvent it till there is a changed version folks: Disable follower support, because there is a call for followersupport in the bodyscaling function. If set to false, there will be no scaling for followers and therefore no stutter. On the other hand: the stutter will not do anything to your game, but only to your eyes

Would explain why I'm not seeing the stutter on my end - I don't currently have follower support active.  Nice sleuthing.

[Kimy]

Nice find, guys! I will fix this issue in the next update!

[Guest]

Whenever i start the alternate start my body disappears and face becomes transparent, any fixes?

[A Little Kitten]

6 minutes ago, that one nerd said:

Whenever i start the alternate start my body disappears and face becomes transparent, any fixes?

Wait you mean to say in old save everything is fine ?

Otherwise i'd expect you forgot to run bodyslide for body and clothing