Amorous Adventures [v3.4] (2018/06/02)

[Budroi]

 

I know.  I just remember the Riften questline, where you have to kill Aerin.  I get the concept behind it and the whole thing is really well done... but I personally don't agree with it and thus choose not to pursue that questline.

 

Hey, that's interesting.  So let's say killing Aerin was optional.  What non-killy thing would make sense as an outcome?

 

Keeping in mind that once the quest is over Aerin goes back to his normal Game routine of being Mjoll's creepy stalker.

 

 

Trick him into becoming a "pet" for hagravens.

Essentially...

What goes around comes around.

 

Perhaps lock him in zaz machine or some crap at the summit where you can kill "whats her faces" mom.

New option...

dont kill "whats her faces" mom and give her aerin as a toy.

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My inspiration...

I hate that creeper, but i don't necessarily want him dead.

People cannot atone/suffer while dead.

[FoxFingers]

Those would be permanent quest aliases, so he's still effectively Dead.  Plus it removes the fun of running him through, which I personally greatly enjoy.

 

I think if I went through the trouble of doing that then folks who don't want NPCs messed with in the game would still find cause for complaint.  And it would irritate all the people (like me) who recognize Aerin is actually a creepy stalker.

 

Old Book's line of thought (and a good one) was that he's just hopelessly in love with Mjoll and can't help himself.  Problem is, it's completely immersion breaking from the other end because he follows her wherever she moves to.  And in the real world, the woman would file a restraining order.  And carry pepper spray.

 

[RDKateran]

To be totally fair, it's just Bethesda got lazy about Aerin's AI packages when it comes to Mjoll being married. :V I really doubt they intended him to be a stalker.

[FoxFingers]

To be totally fair, it's just Bethesda got lazy about Aerin's AI packages when it comes to Mjoll being married. :V I really doubt they intended him to be a stalker.

 

I accept that.

 

Now I know you don't marry Mjoll, you said so.  So you don't care, you just don't want to lose a game NPC.  That's cool.

 

But I do occasionally marry Mjoll.

 

I challenge you to play a long play-thru serious game, marry Mjoll and deal with Aerin. 

 

The first time he's standing over your bed in your bedroom watching you make love to your wife with his creepy eyes, you will plot his death.

 

I did.  Now I have a nice quest which dispatches him and leads to a wedding.

 

[Old Book]

OK, you've sold me. Aerin must die.

And to think I've always felt sorry for him.

[Mord Sif]

Having had the misfortune of some experience with stalkers, I say leave the Aerin quest as it is. Killing him is really quite cathartic!

[FoxFingers]

Maybe it's not possible to really understand unless you spend a game married to Mjoll.  He's always there... watching her in your house.  All the time.

 

When you're gone, he's there, staring at her sleeping.  Creeping around after her room by room.

 

When you're at home, he's in your bedroom - always - standing over Mjoll in the bed.

 

For anyone who marries Mjoll the quest is a public service.  It really is.  Marry her sometime and leave Aerin alive, you'll understand.

 

You can't even talk to the dude, he has literally no dialogue options and no quests in the game connected to him.  He's there just to be creeping around after your wife.

[VenomousDuck]

My two cents on the Riften / Aerin debate, don't change a thing I like the quest in it's current form.

[rockitten]

 

Hey Nutluck!

 

For Camilla, it's really just the technicals.  The quest is kinda buggy for people who complete Lovely Letter in a creative way.  I'll give her a little more dialogue to flesh her out a little more, but it's mostly solving the problem of using a stealth move to finish Lovely Letter.

 

Ysolda, I don't know.  I'm toying with the idea of having the player kill her pimp Nazeem - the shadowy figure that took a young innocent girl and turned her onto bad things.

 

Ah ok, totally makes sense on Camilla. As for Ysolda I like what you are thinking but might I suggest a few things? Feel free as always to ignore any suggestion I make.

 

 

 

For Ysolda I honestly don't and have never felt she is all that innocent. She might have been at one time but anymore I think she is ruthless and out for herself. I do like the idea of Nazeem being the one behind her down fall though. My suggestion on this idea is as follows.

 

Nazeem has something on Ysolda a hold over her of some sort and she knows it and hates it, but currently can't do anything about it. Along comes the PC the perfect pawn for her plans, to rid herself of Nazeem, take over the operation and end up with a servant like Nazeem used her.

 

So Ysolda gets the PC involved and sets them up, so that Nazeem ends up with something over the PC. Putting the PC at Nazeems mercy to use how he see's fit. But this is only the first stage of Ysolda plans. Next she works with the PC on a way to free them both from Nazeem, which ends up in his death.

 

Ysolda being the smart devious girl she is now though sets it up so after the PC kills Nazeem to free them both, she ends up with proof the PC killed Nazeem. She promises to keep it a secret in exchange for the PC working for her and pleasing her when she feels like it. After all she has to find some use for that mammoth tusk and the PC seems like a good use for it.

 

Could even get into some background about how Ysolda was a nice innocent girl but no more. I know this is not a romance so much but a much darker one. Perhaps Ysolda does care about the PC but due to years of abuse she doesn't know how to relate to the PC other than how Nazeem treated her. Claiming she cares about the PC but keeping them under her thumb and using them.

 

Anyways just a thought, as it would be a bit of a plot twist and be different from the majority of your other romance quests.

 

 

 

But, for a dragonborn who kills banits for breakfast and slay dragons all the time, it is hard to believe he/she will submit to a chick by a simple blackmail trick.............

 

It is more convincing if they just ended up in a BDSM affair..... but, it is amorous adventure, not devious adventure............

 

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The same applies for The pitt in FO3, my lone warder  single handed blew up two Enclave base and got capture by bandits with a stick? My a$$

[Guest]

Why not just a script to have all the women in Riften punch Aerin a couple of times, he falls down, then they spit on or insult him or something. Set it for every 12 or 24 hours so as not to add excessive script lag. Maybe change his clothes to begger clothes to show his lost status. Seems like a nice alternative to death.

 

Well, not for me. I always kill that twit, even before AA came out 

[Heyisforhorses]

I have an idea about what can happen about Aerin, Fox (If not already said earlier). So at the end when you face Aerin you can still have the option to kill him ORRRR bring guards then have like a scripted scene where the guards arrest him and throw him in jail. Kinda like when the guard arrested Brand-Shei, when you plant the ring on him.

 

It might be a lot of scripting but just an idea that would keep him in Riften.

[nutluck]

 

 

Hey Nutluck!

 

For Camilla, it's really just the technicals.  The quest is kinda buggy for people who complete Lovely Letter in a creative way.  I'll give her a little more dialogue to flesh her out a little more, but it's mostly solving the problem of using a stealth move to finish Lovely Letter.

 

Ysolda, I don't know.  I'm toying with the idea of having the player kill her pimp Nazeem - the shadowy figure that took a young innocent girl and turned her onto bad things.

 

Ah ok, totally makes sense on Camilla. As for Ysolda I like what you are thinking but might I suggest a few things? Feel free as always to ignore any suggestion I make.

 

 

But, for a dragonborn who kills banits for breakfast and slay dragons all the time, it is hard to believe he/she will submit to a chick by a simple blackmail trick.............

 

It is more convincing if they just ended up in a BDSM affair..... but, it is amorous adventure, not devious adventure............

 

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The same applies for The pitt in FO3, my lone warder  single handed blew up two Enclave base and got capture by bandits with a stick? My a$$

 

 

It depends for some people reputation is far more important. If the Dragonborn is accused of horrible crimes with proof they would never be able to help end the civil war or get a jarl to let them use their castle as a dragon trap etc.

[nutluck]

I have been testing a lot of mods lately and I am in the mood to play Skyrim again but I think I am going to wait for your next update. The tweaks to Camilla and changes to Ysolda. But no pressure Fox on me sitting staring and waiting on your next update.

[Blood89]

@Foxy

 

I remember I once married Mjoll ages ago, already had Honeyside and told her to live there. First time I entered the house after the whole wedding thing he was there, at first I hoped he was checking on her and would go back to his home, but no. Every time I came to the house for some sleep, usual stuff unloading he was literally attached to Mjoll.

 

So I thought I'd outsmart Aerin by getting Proudspire manor and moving there, since Solitude is so far away and Beth didn't make him that big of a stalker.

 

After about a couple of days of checking and rechecking, he was not appearing so I thought he won't be coming after her, went off on my way to do some quests and other crap I came back to Proudspire to unload some stuff, Mjoll was sleeping and the bastard was there - staring at her while she was sleeping. So I sneaked upon him and killed him, dragged his corpse to the cellar so I don't have to trip over it every time I went for the master bedroom.

[Starbrow65]

I just wanted to return here to heap more highly earned praise onto this fantastic mod, now that I've finally done more of the quests.

 

FoxFingers - excellent work! This mod has earned a permanent place in my load order for its seamless integration into the other questlines, the new and oftentimes surprising takes on the NPCs' backgrounds, the humour of many of its dialogues, the sheer amount of work and time that must have gone into cutting and assembling the voiced dialogue from vanilla assets, and last not least the wit and creativity required to work with those vanilla sound files and turn them into new, interesting, and highly entertaining stories. It's a pleasure to play this!

 

I've already given the mod five of the star thingies last time so I think I can't do so again; take five of these instead:

 

Well, now that I've got that off my chest, time to go to Solitude and do the quests there ... oh, and Serana, of course ...

[FoxFingers]

I have been testing a lot of mods lately and I am in the mood to play Skyrim again but I think I am going to wait for your next update. The tweaks to Camilla and changes to Ysolda. But no pressure Fox on me sitting staring and waiting on your next update.

 

It's going to be a couple weeks....  Just sayin'

 

 

Well, now that I've got that off my chest, time to go to Solitude and do the quests there ... oh, and Serana, of course ...

 

Thanks for the good word.  I hope the new Serana quests add something to your Dawnguard play through.  Thanks!

[FoxFingers]

@Foxy

 

I remember I once married Mjoll ages ago, already had Honeyside and told her to live there. First time I entered the house after the whole wedding thing he was there, at first I hoped he was checking on her and would go back to his home, but no. Every time I came to the house for some sleep, usual stuff unloading he was literally attached to Mjoll.

 

So I thought I'd outsmart Aerin by getting Proudspire manor and moving there, since Solitude is so far away and Beth didn't make him that big of a stalker.

 

After about a couple of days of checking and rechecking, he was not appearing so I thought he won't be coming after her, went off on my way to do some quests and other crap I came back to Proudspire to unload some stuff, Mjoll was sleeping and the bastard was there - staring at her while she was sleeping. So I sneaked upon him and killed him, dragged his corpse to the cellar so I don't have to trip over it every time I went for the master bedroom.

 

YES!  That is exactly what I'm talking about.

 

 

[pinky6225]

 

To be totally fair, it's just Bethesda got lazy about Aerin's AI packages when it comes to Mjoll being married. :V I really doubt they intended him to be a stalker.

 

I accept that.

 

Now I know you don't marry Mjoll, you said so.  So you don't care, you just don't want to lose a game NPC.  That's cool.

 

But I do occasionally marry Mjoll.

 

I challenge you to play a long play-thru serious game, marry Mjoll and deal with Aerin. 

 

The first time he's standing over your bed in your bedroom watching you make love to your wife with his creepy eyes, you will plot his death.

 

I did.  Now I have a nice quest which dispatches him and leads to a wedding.

 

 

I'd say leave as is and if people really want aerin back alive they can select with the console and type resurrect after killing him for the quest

 

[doan77]

 

Well you could make it fairly simple. A couple of idea's on how to make it simple but still work.

 

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Whenever anyone throws me an idea the only thing I can do is measure it by the Voice Work / conversations involved.

 

The conversations needed to set-up a kind of "Usual Suspects" twist plot is going to be too much for me.  If this was a silent mod then the only work involved would be scripting the quest, which is nothing compared to voicing the characters.

 

See what I was thinking was I could keep the entirety of the existing Ysolda quest and just tack on a new ending.

 

Player: "Ysolda, you're a good girl.  Who did this to you?"

Ysolda: "Nazeem".

 

Player: "Nazeem, time for you to die!"

Nazeem:  No... no... nooooo!

 

Total new lines of voiced dialogue: 2

 

Good introduction for the new lover quest: Nazeem's widow, Ahlam.

[Heyisforhorses]

@Fox

 

Might of missed my comment earlier...

 

 

I have an idea about what can happen about Aerin, Fox (If not already said earlier). So at the end when you face Aerin you can still have the option to kill him ORRRR bring guards then have like a scripted scene where the guards arrest him and throw him in jail. Kinda like when the guard arrested Brand-Shei, when you plant the ring on him.

 

It might be a lot of scripting but just an idea that would keep him in Riften.

 

[FoxFingers]

Nah I'm not going to go back and change anything. 

 

It's a zero sum game - the same people who are concerned about a dead NPC because it might break another Mod... (Keeping in mind we're talking about Aerin, an NPC many routinely kill themselves)... would also complain that the character was in a permanently jailed quest alias.  Effectively dead to another Mod anyways.

 

Thanks! 

[RDKateran]

I feel like I should set the record straight and say I don't believe the Riften questline should be changed.  I don't agree with the concept on Aerin but understand that others do, so I just did the respectful thing and not play that questline, rather than asking/demanding it be changed.

 

I just hoped the practice of killing other named NPCs won't become a trend, though, since a lot of people were suggesting the idea of killing Nazeem for their Ysolda idea.

[Sacremas]

I can promise you with 100 % certainty that the only mod that would touch on Aerin, Nazeem and Heimskr would be mods that would torture, mutilate and otherwise murder them. So those three are characters that I wouldn't worry about at all.

[Swissenergy]

Along the same lines a what was said above, I'm fine with the Riften quest the way it is. I personally don't have that much of a problem killing Aerin as it's part of the story but if I had to change it, I'd have a situation where prior to the end the player either sleeps with or kisses Mjoll and Aerin sees it or hears about it and thus challenges the player over Mjolls affections, of course leading to his demise.

 

I know that would change up the story quite a bit but that's just my own thoughts about it, and as I said, I'm fine with the Riften questline as is. (Except for HDT making all the women in Aerins house indivisible, oh well I'm content with quiting and restarting Skyrim 3 times.)

 

Also, I really don't follow as to why Nazeem needs to be involved with Ysolda's quest. If he were to be involved in any quest, I feel like it should be similar to Adrianne's quest except emphasize the affair part of it. After all, Ahlam is away from Nazeem for 12 hours a day, more than enough time for the dragonborn to provide her some comfort without Nazeem finding out

[Sacremas]

I suggested that before, Alahm can be found in the Temple of Kynareth wishing the stormcloaks would kill Nazeem or she'd be rid of him some other way, and of course she thinks Nazeem isn't treating her nearly with the respect she deserves.