problem with nexus?

[gregathit]

What happens when one is both a Modos "and" releases a Mod?

 

Does Jackie Chan's hair fall out?

[prideslayer]

mods, users, modders, staff. "modos" is begging for typos even if people stick to it.

[Guest GingerTom]

Does Jackie Chan's hair fall out?

 

No, but it tends to slip at times that's why his hands are up there--he's re-adjusting it.

[prideslayer]

tl;dr

 

[Guest Kate the Bionic Uterus]

 

 

1) Modding is an art. Then so is physics' date=' mathematics. So is the way I shave my legs.

[/quote']

 

1. No, Physics and Mathematics are science which is more or less the complete opposite. Science, especially Mathematics is not subject to interpretation. By definition, science will always lead to the same result no matter who uses it, Art is the opposite of that.

 

As for your legs, pic or it didn't happen!!!

 

 

 

That was really the point I was trying to make. Physics and mathematics are not art. Although one could argue that those fractals are art.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractal_art

Sorry! It's the Contrarian in me. Hmm... I wounder if they make vibrating contrarians

[Guest Kate the Bionic Uterus]

Vibrating Contrarian

 

 

 

 

 

Ha! rotf very funny:D

[kassandrathecleric]

Sorry but I had to jump in here a bit. And gods I am sooo sorry this is long!!!

 

You all do realize that being a Premium member of the Nexus does not give one access to any files or assets that are not accessible to anyone else that joins the site. The only thing you get is faster downloading of the mods. The Nexus does not charge for mods or require money for mods in any way.

 

As for the free speech issue...though I can agree that bannings are a bit inconsistent at times regarding things people say to some extent...I understand why it is so and I try very hard to be a consistent bitch about all the rules there. There are only so many of us and we do the best we can. Sometimes things don't get caught because we can not see every single post on every single thing. I am good but not that damn good.

 

Freedom of Speech (*dust off college degree* lol) is the right to say things that won't get you harassed by the government. It is NOT the right to say anything, anywhere and not to have some repercussions of that speech. It would be more like having a blog site saying how much you hate GW Bush and then the government tosses you in jail for no reason but your voicing your opinion. It doesn't include talking about topics on a privately owned site and as your banning from The Nexus doesn't keep you from playing any of the games, I do not think the ACLU will be pounding on anyone's door. Just think like the Boy Scouts. They do not like homosexuals and because they are a PRIVATE organization they can legally keep them out.

 

I stay out of the chat areas so I can't speak to that.

 

I also wish modders were better sharing things but some don't and I have agreed to uphold the rules and will do that. I don't always agree with DarkOne or the other moderators. But once a decision is made I do my job. If there comes a time I can not longer do that I will leave.

 

As for other games assets....just don't do it. That rule is never gonna change and honestly the way internet governing is going it may get worse. Websites that do not seem to keep rips off their sites can and will get shut down. Much of these things haven't played out in court...it will be interesting when it does.

 

Screenshots....there are rules in place. I can not imagine that a banning would come from one screenshot only. There is more to that story. There are 3 sides to every story you know...the 1st side, the 2nd side and the truth in-between. *grin* We don't catch them all....I know as part of my job is to look at those damn things. So saying well mine was there for ever and no one cared and so-and-so still has one....well that's how it is sometimes. It isn't personal...I know its not with me. I have to go back like 5 times to remember the names of the screen-shooters. Maybe its because I am old.

 

So I didn't write this to bitch but to try to explain how I look at things as a modo (is that what it is?) As you see I am one....and if you don't know from my writing I am Lisnpuppy over at the Nexus.

 

I hope this helps. The more we all can agree on the better off the modding community will be. *gives out cookies*

[prideslayer]

Thanks for taking the time to step "into the lions den" so to speak..

 

...Premium member...

 

Everyone knows this' date=' and (so far as I remember) nobody has mentioned premium membership at all. I'm a member there as well, but I no longer upload any mods or participate in the forums.

 

Sometimes things don't get caught because we can not see every single post on every single thing. I am good but not that damn good.

 

This is understandable. The problem is twofold:

 

1) Bans, without warning, for non-"capital" offenses. The first (and last) mod I uploaded there was a compilation of another modders stuff because I was sick of downloading 400 files to get a single mod. I didn't know this was against the rules. If the wrong mod had caught me while in a bad mood, I would be among the banned right now myself.

 

2) "Free speech" in the sense that plenty of adult content is allowed on the site, but links to sites like this one are censored, and circumventing the censorship is -- you guessed it -- bannable offense.

 

The Nexus can have whatever rules the Nexus wants, that is their freedom of speech. We can bitch about those rules all we like as well, especially when they are selectively enforced rules with harsh punishments, or immature rules like censoring 'adult content' on a site that itself has adult content. That is our freedom of speech.

 

I also wish modders were better sharing things but some don't and I have agreed to uphold the rules and will do that. I don't always agree with DarkOne or the other moderators. But once a decision is made I do my job. If there comes a time I can not longer do that I will leave.

 

Many will wonder how you can do it at present. I can't even participate under that "iron fist", there is no way I'd help perpetrate it.

 

As for other games assets...

100% agreement. Nothing goes into any of my mods without the authors consent. Nothing. No honest person has a problem with this.

 

As a modder I *do* have a problem with someone who makes a change representing 1% (or less) of the whole, and then redistributing "their work" more restrictively than the giants whos backs they climbed up did.

 

I hope this helps. The more we all can agree on the better off the modding community will be. *gives out cookies*

 

There's work to be done yet, and most of it falls squarely on the shoulders of those in charge at the Nexus.

 

The individual problems are just that, individual problems. What they do, in bulk, is shine a harsh light on the attitude that permeates the place amongst staff. "Thinking is hard, that looks suspicious, lets go banning." Or, often, worse.

 

Thanks for the cookie.

[Guest Kate the Bionic Uterus]

@prideslayer *Grabs cookie out of your hand and whips it at the back of her head while she walks towards her minivan. Of course when she turns around I quickly point at you and run away *

[kassandrathecleric]

Someone did discuss premium memberships a few pages ago. I am too tired to make linky. lol *gently pats lions*

 

1--I will say this...there is discussion of a kinder, gentler Nexus...what that will or will not entail I have no clue.

 

2--Maybe cliche....but ignorance of the law is no excuse. You can argue or not about the consistent punishment if you want...but what is and is not allowed is spelled out pretty clearly. When in doubt, don't do it. Why are pics of rips not allowed (when discovered?) because of this:

Person 1-Where did you get that hot outfit on ur gurl?

Screenie maker: Sorry I can't tell you that, but google hotchixred *wink*

Person 1-I cant find it! I want it NAO!!!

Person 2-I want it too

Person 3-Its at LL

.....and so on and so forth. We can't have links to the rips because it is seen as facilitating the rips. So....mostly because people are stewpid....we just say no to any we find.

 

As to linking to here....well I don't know for sure so this is PURE SPECULATION on my part....but I think the major issue is not the adult material, but the rips. They are all over here. So links to you links to the rips. Also....no we want folks to be 13+ for the forums which are supposed to be PG-13. Adult nude and adult mods are supposed to be 18....but really its the internet so we don't know. However it is in the Nexus best interest to try to keep it kosher. So if you are writing on the PG-13 forum with a link to here....which I am always curious what new position I will see at the bottom of a page lol.....well....you have 13 year old kids linking to adult material (and the rips of course.) So....like a 3rd grade class of whom one kid throws spit balls....and you don't know who for sure....you just take all the paper away and no one gets recess, if you understand.

 

I am not trying to change anyone's mind here....because I know I can not. I am trying to give you the reasons behind some of the issues.

 

Honestly...back when the image share thing got to be a real problem about a year-ish ago? Anyway the chat was stressing the modos out, the entire place was horrible to be at...I was ready to go and I publicly expressed my concerns to DarkOne about the inconsistency of the punishments and the image share issues (I also could not remember if I have something that is a rip....so you aren't alone!) We passed a few post about it. I was asked to be a moderator many months later....so I would say that DarkOne is more reasonable than you think. But sometimes you have to pick your battles and if you go into a fight with one of us at times..and you are on the defensive already its hard to see the forest for the burning trees of anger *giggles*

 

Its a good idea that you don't post screenshots of stuff that you don't find on the nexus....you could get away with Steam stuff but even that is questionable since it seems there is no one minding the inn.

 

Yes Nexus has adult material (to a point) but it has to be tagged certain ways and can only be uploaded in certain places. If you are unsure just ask. I will answer you 100% of the time as best I can.

 

And why am I a moderator there? Because I think I can help...I think I do help at times...even though I am pretty strict. I am not burned out and am still willing to explain things most of the time unless someone acts like a total idiot. I do not have sympathy of someone who breaks a rule then immediately breaks 10 more being an ass about the first thing and not reading directions. I am Forty and have 3 kids....you really can't bullshit the bullshitter with me. I call them how I see them and I will give it to you straight.

 

Remember...the truth will set you free...but first it will piss you off.

 

*falls out of chair laughing then goes looking for the cookie snatcher*

 

I am glad I can talk here to you all. I hope this is some helpful anyway.

[gregathit]

Well as one mod to another I wish you the best of luck. Unfortunately you seem to be the only sane soul over there. While you probably are helping...you face what I think is an impossible task.

 

The process of cleaning up things over there has to start with DarkOne and then move down through the ranks from there. Dante has got to go or be massively reigned in. Perhaps at one time he was a good guy and is just burned out, however his attitude is horrible from all that I have seen. Sure there will always be drama but it seems that he and some others actively try to start things as opposed to just putting out fires. Wouldn't want your job for a single minute.

 

Cheers,

Greg

 

Edit: Since you speculate that 18plus content and game rips are why Lovers Lab is blocked over there....is HongFire blocked as well? Just wondering......

[ZaZ]

I Do Like the Nexus its a Great Site , For Downloads Yes . I never Interacted at all there , it was mostly Download , Read some comments and endorse . And this Works for Most People .

When I First Made ZAZStocks For Oblivion , My Initial thought was to Put up My Mod There First , But I was Shaky on the concept on " Consensual and Non-Consensual Sexual Content "

ZAZStocks Was Mostly Non Consensual even though it did not have " Human to Human Interactions " I didn't Bother to ask a Moderator there because I was Fairly new not to the Nexus But to Modding in General.

 

" Non Consensual Sexual Stuff " Is Taboo at Nexus I agree to the Fullest , Their site their Rules .

It Also Got me Pondering on the Estrus Mod , ( Dont Get me Wrong , Estrus Is a brilliant Mod .Its One of the top adult Mods in Oblivion )

Estrus involves a certain Degree of Non Consent .Do you see where I'm Heading with this . It does make one Ponder over these things .The Monsters are imaginary .Then It Reminds Me of South Park's Imagination Land blah blah blah.

I Really dont Want to Debate on this , because 1. I like that Mod .

Its just that , I get the Feeling somethings Amiss and makes me Wonder.

 

Cheers

[lemonbalm]

Does the nexus actually need defending here at LL? Is LL that big? I wonder what prompted Moderators to show and defend. "Mostly because People are Stewpid" Interesting choice of words. And "ignorance of the law is no excuse" would be correct if we were talking of law.

But I will not get into semantics.

Agreed.

 

Personally I'm of the belief that if we are not allowed to express our opinions about this on the Nexus, then Nexus moderators should not be here expressing theirs. Sorry, but it just smacks of hypocrisy. If Nexus moderators want to do damage control, please start with your own site.

[prideslayer]

2--Maybe cliche....but ignorance of the law is no excuse. You can argue or not about the consistent punishment if you want...but what is and is not allowed is spelled out pretty clearly. When in doubt' date=' don't do it. Why are pics of rips not allowed (when discovered?)

[/quote']

 

The problem is, these days, everyone is in doubt about everything. Ignorance is no defense, that is true, however wise judges know to ensure that A) the punishment fits the crime, and there is an ocean of discretion available for dealing with first time offenders vs. habitual defenders.

 

The arbitrary way that rules are enforced, and the fact that even minor infractions result in large penalties, only serves to fragment the community, and this site is proof of that -- not the threads like this one -- but the fact that it exists at all. That analysis is reenforced by the fact that we have mods that are allowed on the nexus but don't exist there.

 

I would consider post my NVSE Extender there, which is completely 'G rated' (just a DLL to add features to NVSE) if not for that stupid 'censored' bit. If I can't link people here to get help etc., I've got no interest. I'm not going to monitor two different forums for support and feature requests.

 

Just an example of how the policy you are enforcing is fragmenting the community

 

.....and so on and so forth. We can't have links to the rips because it is seen as facilitating the rips. So....mostly because people are stewpid....we just say no to any we find.

 

I don't know what 'rips' are or what you're talking about. This whole conversation about screenshots has me baffled. Seriously, what are you all talking about? Screenshots of other mods are banned as well?

 

As to linking to here....well I don't know for sure so this is PURE SPECULATION on my part....but I think the major issue is not the adult material, but the rips.

 

What 'rips'? What are 'rips'?

 

but really its the internet so we don't know.

 

...

 

So....like a 3rd grade class of whom one kid throws spit balls....and you don't know who for sure....you just take all the paper away and no one gets recess, if you understand.

 

You don't see the contradiction? You think 13 year olds aren't downloading "Animated Prostitution" or "Humping the Mojave?" You not only don't believe that, you *know* they are, you just can't prove it. So, an 18+ forum area to go with the 18+ mods seems reasonable.

 

Especially when there's really no clue that the 'comments' page is actually a forum hidden away somewhere. Now I can "get in trouble" just for asking questions about my 18+ mod on my 18+ mods comments page, because really it's a hidden 13+ forum.

 

The whole system is fucked up, if you'll excuse the expression.

 

I would say that DarkOne is more reasonable than you think. But sometimes you have to pick your battles and if you go into a fight with one of us at times..and you are on the defensive already its hard to see the forest for the burning trees of anger *giggles*

 

I don't know him from anyone. All I know is that he's in charge, so whatever the failings of the site are, he is responsible for them. That he won't own up to ('not my fault') or makes excuses like "it's hard" or "there are too many people" shows him for the type of leader he is, despite his ability to, sometimes, be reasonable in conversations taking place behind the curtain.

 

I've picked my battles carefully, never having engaged in one there. I haven't been in any kind of trouble or arguments there, period. Because I've seen how others are treated, I have no desire to interact there. Not with the ungrateful users, not with the immature and 'stingy' modders, and not with the "power drunk" staff.

 

There is a small amount of anger, but it's not directed at the site at all, only the arguments of those defending the status quo.. To be quite honest, I love the site. I can go there, search, and download stuff without having to interact with another soul. This makes my life easier, and saves enormously on bandwidth and hosting costs for sites like this one.

 

Yes Nexus has adult material (to a point) but it has to be tagged certain ways and can only be uploaded in certain places. If you are unsure just ask. I will answer you 100% of the time as best I can.

 

I'm not unsure of what's allowed and what's not. I know that my main project (SexoutNG) is in a gray area leaning towards "no" because it provides support to other mods for rape and bestiality. I say gray because it doesn't actually have either of those things, or even sex for that matter -- it's up to other mods to actually provide the fun n' games, sexout is just a library.

 

Most of the mods for it provide one or both of those things, but some (like working girl) don't provide either. I'm 100% certain neither of these would be allowed on Nexus for some contrived reason or another, probably due to tenuous roots in Sexus, a mod that is banned there outright and really has nothing to do with Sexout.

 

Remember...the truth will set you free...but first it will piss you off.

 

Words to live by.. I'm not pissed off yet though, not at you in particular anyway. When I was set free, I landed here at LL.

[adrenaline]

Actually I like Nexus. the MODs(not moderaters)are well-organized and easy to search.

Most people are nice there, thought LL members are nicer .

The only thing I dislike is that Nexus feels like a "Police state", you have to be very careful on every words you say.

[Guest Kate the Bionic Uterus]

First off; what the fuck are the mods from nexus coming here and commenting on this thread if you are not allowed to mention LL on a PM in the nexus. FUCK YOU. In a PM they took out LL and placed "the site we dont mention" or some BS like that.

 

The fact that many of their mods come here to defend themselves is very telling of what is going on there. THEY KNOW THAT THEY ARE ASSHOLES! But they can't help themselves. After a brief run in with the prick dr. grim who because i asked a question and put 2 extra question marks he kicked me out of the forum! For asking a question. No caps, no rudeness a simple question when there was 5 people and only 2 of them were active. The next two days when i entered the forum he kicked me out the the rules page. FUCK YOU you puke punk turko!

 

I have 20 pics to upload in the next 10 days then I am finished with the nexus. They will just be used to download mods but if i can find the mods elsewhere i would go there. I don't understand why anyone from LL would upload a mod to the nexus. It does not make any sense to me. IF YOU WANT TO FUCK THE NEXUS MAKE PEOPLE COME HERE TO DOWNLOAD YOUR MODS! That's the way I see it. If your mod is good people will come once they see it in pictures and here about on other forums. Word of mouth and visual advertising works.

 

I would love to switch to tes alliance but their interface gives me a headache. after 10 minutes i get dizzy. Not user friendly imo.

 

The truth is it is very easy to find mods there. Hey you know, i hate mcdonalds and would never eat their gross food but i do like their coffee. It's fast to drive through and it is always hot. Sometimes i buy a muffin. What can a poor girl do?

[prideslayer]

You stole my cookie and you hate egg mcmuffin?

 

You and me, high noon, main street.

 

Vibrating contrarians at 10 paces, may the best man win!

[Guest Kate the Bionic Uterus]

The best man is always a wo-man. Me wins Vrrrr...Vrrrrr

[prideslayer]

If my best man was a woman I'd have to ask the next passing stranger if I got married while drunk in a Thai funhouse, and excuse me, but what is that dangling anyway?!

[Guest Kate the Bionic Uterus]

HA hA! Took me a double read but funny. hehehe

[Zaldir]

Lisn is the only sane moderator on the nexus?

 

...Anyway, I didn't come here to defend Nexus - I came here to read about the problems with Nexus, and see if there was something here that actually needed fixing. To figure out if it actually needs fixing, I have to discuss it with the people here, so that I know the whole story, and not just "I was banned because the moderators are fucktards!"

 

So instead of thinking that we are coming here to defend the Nexus, think of it as it is you helping the Nexus become a better place.

[kassandrathecleric]

First off; what the fuck are the mods from nexus coming here and commenting on this thread if you are not allowed to mention LL on a PM in the nexus. FUCK YOU. In a PM they took out LL and placed "the site we dont mention" or some BS like that.

 

The fact that many of their mods come here to defend themselves is very telling of what is going on there. THEY KNOW THAT THEY ARE ASSHOLES! But they can't help themselves. After a brief run in with the prick dr. grim who because i asked a question and put 2 extra question marks he kicked me out of the forum! For asking a question. No caps' date=' no rudeness a simple question when there was 5 people and only 2 of them were active. The next two days when i entered the forum he kicked me out the the rules page. FUCK YOU you puke punk turko!

 

I have 20 pics to upload in the next 10 days then I am finished with the nexus. They will just be used to download mods but if i can find the mods elsewhere i would go there. I don't understand why anyone from LL would upload a mod to the nexus. It does not make any sense to me. IF YOU WANT TO FUCK THE NEXUS MAKE PEOPLE COME HERE TO DOWNLOAD YOUR MODS! That's the way I see it. If your mod is good people will come once they see it in pictures and here about on other forums. Word of mouth and visual advertising works.

 

I would love to switch to tes alliance but their interface gives me a headache. after 10 minutes i get dizzy. Not user friendly imo.

 

The truth is it is very easy to find mods there. Hey you know, i hate mcdonalds and would never eat their gross food but i do like their coffee. It's fast to drive through and it is always hot. Sometimes i buy a muffin. What can a poor girl do?

[/quote']

Give me a break there sweetcheeks.

 

I don't come here in any official capacity and have been visiting this site for far longer than me being a moderator. I saw this and decided, obviously mistakenly, on my own as a person to try to reach out and explain things in my own way...not to change anyones minds or to represent "THE NEXUS" or anything else. Just as me, Dani...."The Nexus" doesn't feel the need to explain anything to anyone as far as I know and hell....maybe I will face consequences to this. I only did this as an individual trying to explain things as I see them.

 

So fuck me? Fuck the Nexus. Ok then. Like I said...I didn't come here in an official capacity. I could have posted and not told anyone I was a moderator there. I could have read all theses post and went whispering back that things here were so terrible. I didn't, I won't. I was merely trying as an individual to reach out to another community. There is nothing telling at all. It was merely a spur of the moment decision on my part. Don't read anything into it, because there isn't anything there.

 

I won't be back. I apologize if I offended anyone. Thank you for your time.

 

Good luck to you all.

[prideslayer]

Not exactly the outcome I was looking for.

[DeadSomething]

some people have really been overreacting on LL users parallelly being Nexus moderators.

every Nexusadmin who uses LL mods is (by me) considered as an ally.

if any of you were on the nexus to unban LL users and fight for the userrights, then you'd have a civil war on the nexus, but your side would be overrun, because they just ban you and the fight is over. there will be admins with higher ranks which can ban other admins.

 

an idea for lowering the chance of misunderstanding:

admin = moderator

mod = modificator

[prideslayer]

modificater? niiiiiiiiiice.