Nexusmods Changing Policies on Adult Content

[Count Chocula]

15 minutes ago, woodsman30 said:

I live in a world of reality if you want to protect kids than protect your kids by raising them right. People think they need to live in a world where everything is controlled because people do not want to make their children behave. I grew up saying yes ma'am and no sir and still do to this day when I stepped out of line my ass was handed to me and was better for it. Perhaps if people took responsibility for themselves and theirs  and stop looking for others to do it for them perhaps we would not be where we are today. 

And perhaps people need to stop making excuses for others and enabling them.

My ass was never "handed to me" if I got out of line. I don't call anyone "Sir" or "Ma'am". Yet I'm just as "good" a person as you purport to be. If you think you're a better person for having been beaten as a child (which is how I interpret "got my ass handed to me," but I could be wrong as to what you mean), OK, I guess. On the issue of corporal punishment of children, what I assume you call "discipline," I label "child abuse.." So we're in definite "agree to disagree" territory. 

 

I do agree with your last sentence, though.

[woodsman30]

54 minutes ago, Count Chocula said:

. Yet I'm just as "good" a person as you purport to be. If you think you're a better person for having been beaten as a child

You assume way much. 

 

54 minutes ago, Count Chocula said:

On the issue of corporal punishment of children, what I assume you call "discipline," I label "child abuse.." So we're in definite "agree to disagree" territory. 

Child abuse you throw that word around too freely nothing wrong with discipline there is a difference . When you see 12 year olds selling drugs and carrying a weapons all in the name of their gang yea it is a thing. Maybe... if they had discipline and taught some respect by someone who gave enough of a shit to give them some perhaps they might have a chance at life.  

[Grey Cloud]

2 hours ago, Count Chocula said:

If a particular jurisdiction has drivers licenses but not something literally called an "identification card," to say "The jurisdiction does not have ID cards" is pointlessly petulant pedantry. A drivers license is a form of ID card.

No it isn't. 

An ID card in the sense I was using it is card which issued to every citizen must be carried with them at all times. Yes a drivers license can be used for ID purposes but that doesn't make it a ID card.

 

You wrote:

4 hours ago, Count Chocula said:

The argument seems to be "Since we have to show in some contexts evidence of our identities, and we are OK with that, we should be OK with showing in all contexts evidence of our identities." I'm sure that fallacy has a name.

I had not said anything like that.

 

The straw man fallacy occurs in the following pattern of argument:

1. Person 1 asserts proposition X.
2. Person 2 argues against a superficially similar proposition Y, as though an argument against Y were an argument against X.

This reasoning is a fallacy of relevance: it fails to address the proposition in question by misrepresenting the opposing position.

For example:

• Quoting an opponent's words out of context—i.e., choosing quotations that misrepresent the opponent's intentions (see fallacy of quoting out of context).^[3]
• Presenting someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, then denying that person's arguments—thus giving the appearance that every upholder of that position (and thus the position itself) has been defeated.^[2]
• Oversimplifying an opponent's argument, then attacking this oversimplified version.
• Exaggerating (sometimes grossly) an opponent's argument, then attacking this exaggerated version.

 

Aikin and Casey expanded on this model in 2010, introducing a third form. Referring to the "representative form" as the classic straw man, and the "selection form" as the weak man, the third form is called the hollow man. A hollow man argument is one that is a complete fabrication, where both the viewpoint and the opponent expressing it do not in fact exist, or at the very least the arguer has never encountered them. Such arguments frequently take the form of vague phrasing such as "some say," "someone out there thinks" or similar weasel words, or it might attribute a non-existent argument to a broad movement in general, rather than an individual or organization

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

[Miauzi]

Vor 37 Minuten sagte Grey Cloud:

Nein, ist es nicht. 

Ein Personalausweis in dem von mir verwendeten Sinne ist eine Karte, die jeder Bürger jederzeit bei sich tragen muss. Ein Führerschein kann zwar als Ausweis verwendet werden, ist aber dadurch noch kein Personalausweis.

 

 

Even in Germany – where many citizens are extremely "subservient to authority" – there is NO obligation to carry an identity document at all times.

Even if you, as the driver of a car, cannot present a driving permit (aka "driver's license") during a police traffic stop, this is neither a criminal offense nor a regulatory offense.

In this case, however, the police conducting the stop have the right to detain the person in question until their identity (and authorization to drive a vehicle on public transport) is established!

 

But what does that have to do with a possible age query for, for example, a porn site?

[Cookiemonsta234]

Did they define what "adult" content really means? Is it limited to NSFW or are they going they going to include mods that may be violent or have vulgar language ?  

Edited July 2, 2025 by Cookiemonsta234

[Count Chocula]

3 hours ago, woodsman30 said:

You assume way much. 

 

Child abuse you throw that word around too freely nothing wrong with discipline there is a difference .

See why "agree to disagree" is the only reasonable course?

 

One thing we do agree on re: the current topic is that more parental responsibility is a better option than draconian ID laws.

[RomeoZero]

20 hours ago, belegost said:

And you are, of course, the one that's going to cough up the money for it up front, right?

 

Several thousand dollars in fact. We want good scripters, to turn LL UI into the best of Nexusmods can offer to attract internet masses. Plus casual few hundred per month in order to cover the cost of increased traffic.

 

Right?

If I would work in this area I would make this for free as support stuff for the right cause. Hey and dont measure everything with your currency, people here are from international areas. "For your $5 someone can open his own Hotel, instead of working in it." (EuroTrip)

Edited July 3, 2025 by RomeoZero

[RomeoZero]

16 hours ago, Count Chocula said:

SJW moderators? DEI administration? Total NSFW ban? You're just throwing out random bait, aren't you?

 

And I fell for it. Second time that's happened this month.

I was an active nexusmods veteran Modder. I had my way with those "hired rainbow colored hair people". Their destiny was fated 8 years ago. 

Edited July 3, 2025 by RomeoZero

[belegost]

3 hours ago, RomeoZero said:

If I would work in this area I would make this for free

"If a grandma had a mustache, she would be a grandpa".

 

3 hours ago, RomeoZero said:

dont measure everything with your currency, people here are from international areas.

A dollar is as foreign to me as a euro. However LL is based in the US, therefore it operates in dollars.

[plutocene]

In my opinion, you guys are missing the point. A 13 year old who wants to access porn, can do so in a myriad of ways these days. Age verifying euro-based websites will at best force him to access foreign sites without restrictions, assuming he doesn't know how to use a VPN, and apart from all the other sources. The real problem in my opinion is its the implications of losing anonymity for everyone else. I do not believe one second, Nexus and others would not store the verification information, after the account has been verified.

Consequently, it may have grave implications for some people, if the account gets compromised. Lets say, there's a gay dude from Hungary, but he is not outed. If a malicious actor would gain access to the nexus database, and there is some personal information making him identifiable, he could get into serious trouble if this information is leaked. A site like this is bound to get hacked, and according to some posts I dug up, it already happened  (see https://forums.nexusmods.com/topic/6937801-nexusmodscom-has-been-hacked-user-details-extracted/) and other posts on Reddit. 

 
So, I would not take this lightly, just because you do not see any problem with it yourself. 
     

[Miauzi]

37 minutes ago, plutocene said:

Meiner Meinung nach verfehlt ihr den Punkt. Ein 13-Jähriger, der Pornos ansehen möchte, kann dies heutzutage auf unzählige Arten tun. Eine Altersüberprüfung europäischer Websites zwingt ihn bestenfalls dazu, uneingeschränkt auf ausländische Websites zuzugreifen, vorausgesetzt, er weiß nicht, wie man ein VPN benutzt, und abgesehen von allen anderen Quellen. Das eigentliche Problem ist meiner Meinung nach der Verlust der Anonymität für alle anderen. Ich glaube nicht, dass Nexus und andere die Verifizierungsdaten nach der Kontoverifizierung nicht speichern würden.

Daher kann es für manche Personen schwerwiegende Folgen haben, wenn das Konto kompromittiert wird. Nehmen wir an, es gibt einen schwulen Mann aus Ungarn, der sich aber nicht geoutet hat. Wenn ein böswilliger Akteur Zugriff auf die Nexus-Datenbank erhält und persönliche Informationen vorhanden sind, die ihn identifizierbar machen, könnte er ernsthafte Probleme bekommen, wenn diese Informationen durchsickern. Eine solche Website wird zwangsläufig gehackt, und laut einigen Beiträgen, die ich ausgegraben habe, ist dies bereits geschehen (siehe https://forums.nexusmods.com/topic/6937801-nexusmodscom-has-been-hacked-user-details-extracted/ ) und anderen Beiträgen auf Reddit. 

 
Ich würde das also nicht auf die leichte Schulter nehmen, nur weil Sie selbst kein Problem darin sehen.
     

 

You don't even have to be homosexual yourself - it's enough to live in a country where these people are massively discriminated against... and if you can "hack" (i.e., "break into") something - it's just as possible to put something (fake/manipulated data) into it.

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Even if you can eventually prove, with great effort, that you're not even a member of such websites - or that you're not even "homosexual" yourself... your personal reputation will be destroyed - perhaps you've already been physically attacked by radicalized "culture warriors"... but in any case, there will be massive bullying by the "antisocial" media... perhaps, as the "culmination," an indictment from an overzealous public prosecutor who hopes to advance his professional career.

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The denunciation doesn't just affect the actual "target group" - the majority of cases/victims arise from it -> because it's so easy to pin something on an undesirable target.

So, "Welcome back" to the Middle Ages of witch trials... or various military dictatorships of the 20th century.

[HentaiGnome]

This is what happens when the wrong people are elected to positions of power. (And oh boy could I go into a long rant with this one being an American citizen myself.) Sweeping laws affect industries as one would think, but I guess people have finally woken up to that reality? I don't agree with what Nexus has to do, but I completely understand their position. It's one thing if they're a small random website where they'll go unnoticed, but they're now huge as a legit company and, while people may not necessarily call them out by name, they are very well-known within gaming circles, which in and of itself is a huge subculture. Nexus has to fall in line when it comes to laws lest they be struck down. If you want to blame someone, blame the lawmakers, not Nexus.

[RomeoZero]

6 hours ago, belegost said:

"If a grandma had a mustache, she would be a grandpa".

 

A dollar is as foreign to me as a euro. However LL is based in the US, therefore it operates in dollars.

All I just read is an excuse to not do it.🤣
Personally I dong give a shit what LL will do, but its a wasted opportunity if not. Just like Microsoft Xbox clown division. 

[Grey Cloud]

2 hours ago, HentaiGnome said:

If you want to blame someone, blame the lawmakers, not Nexus.

Why is blame needed? The laws are designed to protect minors from pornography and sex predators. Sure the law will impact on things outside its intended target but laws often do and generally they are eventually amended to improve the situation.

I doubt many parents will be demanding that Nexus or whoever stop using these measures.

[Grey Cloud]

8 hours ago, belegost said:

"If a grandma had a mustache, she would be a grandpa".

Not if she is a dwarf. 

[thatpervfrompoland]

 Imo, the responsibility should fall to the child's guardian rather than the service provider, although I don't consider the idea of at least pressing the "I'm over 18" button bad.

However, what I find most crucial in all this is the privacy risk - I don't find the idea of risking my personal data getting leaked for something as insignificant as downloading some mods from time to time.

 Someone here mentioned that we show ID when buying alcohol/cigarretes etc. and that it's somehow no different. To you I say - it is very different. Tell me, when you show your ID to buy a beer, does the clerk write it all down to keep for themselves? No, they just look at the photo, maybe the date and give it back to you and you put it back in your wallet. Meantime, online verification like that gives a chance for the service provider to save all that data somewhere. After that, fuck knows what they'll do with it.

[morbidlynx]

I'm all for Lover's Lab becoming the new nexus. Figure out how much it will take to redesign the site. I'll happily chip in a couple hundred as repayment for the site's services that I've received in the past.

[Count Chocula]

I want to see someone say "Yes, to 'protect the children,' I am OK with making my personal data increasingly vulnerable to compromise."

 

They won't mean it, but let's see someone say it.

[Count Chocula]

21 minutes ago, morbidlynx said:

 I'll happily chip in a couple hundred as repayment for the site's services that I've received in the past.

If that were true, the tag on your avatar would say "Subscribers" already.

Edited July 3, 2025 by Count Chocula

[john0sim]

16 hours ago, Cookiemonsta234 said:

Did they define what "adult" content really means? Is it limited to NSFW or are they going they going to include mods that may be violent or have vulgar language ?  

This is what the Adult tag is being split into:

• Pornographic
• Extreme Violence
• Harmful substances
• Suicide
• Self-harm
• Depression
• Body stigma
• Eating disorders
• Swearing or Profanity
• Sexualised 

Some of these are extremely subjective and they haven't gone into any detail about at what point content could fall into them.

[Pamatronic]

Not Relevant to the point about age, but I don't like it when other Germans spread cringe or misinformation. So...

17 hours ago, Miauzi said:

Even if you, as the driver of a car, cannot present a driving permit (aka "driver's license") during a police traffic stop, this is neither a criminal offense nor a regulatory offense.

This is wrong. You get slapped with a fine if you don't have the permit with you while driving (§ 4 FeV)

[Count Chocula]

10 minutes ago, john0sim said:

This is what the Adult tag is being split into:

• Pornographic
• Extreme Violence
• [snipped]

Some of these are extremely subjective and they haven't gone into any detail about at what point content could fall into them.

None more so than "pornographic." Not to mention, how is extreme violence distinguished from regular violence? Decapitation seems pretty extreme, and that's in unmodded Skyrim. Not to mention child slavery in Fallout 3, New Vegas and Fallout 4.

Edited July 3, 2025 by Count Chocula

[Pamatronic]

6 minutes ago, Count Chocula said:

None more so than "pornographic." Not to mention, how is extreme violence distinguished from regular violence?

regular violence = punching
extreme violence = punching harder

[Count Chocula]

I guess decapitations count as only "intense violence." That's what the ESRB says about Skyrim SE.

[HentaiGnome]

1 hour ago, Grey Cloud said:

Why is blame needed? The laws are designed to protect minors from pornography and sex predators. Sure the law will impact on things outside its intended target but laws often do and generally they are eventually amended to improve the situation.

I doubt many parents will be demanding that Nexus or whoever stop using these measures.

 

The laws to protect minors is a false pretense. If you have the chance, I highly recommend you read this: The Scam of Age Verification