Nexusmods Changing Policies on Adult Content

[Count Chocula]

3 hours ago, RomeoZero said:

Well considering that Nexus first hired SJW moderators, the modders, including me migrated all the mods to LL, then turned to DEI administration, the media posts migrated to LL, and now they are total NSFW ban stuff cause it hurt some UK muslim feelings under "EU laws" BS or something, giving Nexus ur ID data to get arrested by that thesis. I will see that Loverslab gonna grow REALY BIG, someone just contact Ashal to act quick, for hiring UI scripters and make LL UI the best of Nexusmods can offer to attract the internet masses. And despite the nexusmods veterans, LL veterans are still active and very much love the site and its crazy folks here 😏

SJW moderators? DEI administration? Total NSFW ban? You're just throwing out random bait, aren't you?

 

And I fell for it. Second time that's happened this month.

[Guest]

I think this because parents give kids 

Cellphone at early age & don't put restrictions or parental controls

So instead of blaming themselves 

for ah mess up they say it's porn

Fault & the Government eats it up

[Miauzi]

Vor 7 Minuten sagte doody3331:

Ich denke, das liegt daran, dass Eltern ihren Kindern 

Handy schon in jungen Jahren & keine Einschränkungen oder Kindersicherungen

Anstatt sich also selbst die Schuld zu geben 

für ah vermasseln sie sagen, es ist Porno

Schuld und die Regierung frisst es

 

Completely wrong... prohibitions encourage children to do something "forbidden" even more.

 

And when the most natural thing in the world - sexuality - is placed under such a taboo that not even halfway decent sex education or even biology lessons are possible... then the "dear little ones" take advantage of every opportunity.

 

And along the way, they discover the "hidden" link to dad's porn website... or mom's "secret" dating chats with men - who couldn't possibly be dad.

 

So are the parents solely to blame?

No - because they are both "victims and perpetrators" - because they themselves grew up in a bigoted and "secretly amoral" environment... and are simply passing all this on to the next generation.

[Grey Cloud]

11 hours ago, Count Chocula said:

Thus I quoted one tiny part that I thought made sense. Leaving out all the alarmist fulminating.

Wasn't having a pop at you, just commenting on the article.

[Grey Cloud]

8 hours ago, Dark Spectre said:

Or encroaching on people's rights.  Besides, isn't that the parents' responsibility?

What rights will be encroached upon?

Children are everyone's responsibility.

[Grey Cloud]

4 hours ago, RomeoZero said:

and now they are total NSFW ban stuff cause it hurt some UK muslim feelings under "EU laws" BS or something,

There was no mention of a 'total NSFW ban' in the Nexus article.

The UK is not in the EU, hasn't been for about five years.

This has nothing to do with Islam or muslims.

[Grey Cloud]

2 hours ago, Miauzi said:

Of course, it's not about, and never has been about, protecting children... that's just the argument that's been constantly upheld for ages - meant to cover up one's own "bigotry" and "sexual repression."

Rubbish. Your anecdotal example from the 70s is not convincing evidence to support this.

I would suggest that one can be bigoted and sexually repressed and still want to protect children.

[Grey Cloud]

1 hour ago, Caveman 74 said:

There is not one of the Son of a bitches writing and passing these laws that haven't been to Epstein's ranch, or any of a number of Sex Clubs/Parties to oogle, awe and be a pervert themselves. 

And your evidence for this is?

 

1 hour ago, Caveman 74 said:

Only the Rich and Powerful are able to cover those actions up so they can cast the finger at everyone else and say Naughty, Naughty.

If the 'Rich and Powerful' allowed everyone else to do these things then they would not have to cover up their actions. 

[Dark Spectre]

28 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

What rights will be encroached upon?

Children are everyone's responsibility.

Age verification can be used as another excuse for further internet censorship; meaning less freedom.  Is that what you want: more censorship and less freedom?

 

And in the end, it's up to the parents to ensure a child has a good upbringing and a loving home.  Only when said parents aren't capable of that should others intervene.

[Grey Cloud]

16 minutes ago, Dark Spectre said:

Age verification can be used as another excuse for further internet censorship; meaning less freedom. 

Age verification can be used to prove you are old enough to drive a car or purchase alcohol or a host of other things. Dismissing age verification because of what it can theoretically be used for is ridiculous.

 

22 minutes ago, Dark Spectre said:

And in the end, it's up to the parents to ensure a child has a good upbringing and a loving home.  Only when said parents aren't capable of that should others intervene.

Overly simplistic. Who sets the bar for what qualifies as a good upbringing and a loving home? Who decides when parents are failing to provide a good upbringing and a loving home?

[Dark Spectre]

27 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

Age verification can be used to prove you are old enough to drive a car or purchase alcohol or a host of other things. Dismissing age verification because of what it can theoretically be used for is ridiculous.

Which has nothing to do with the topic under discussion.

 

27 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

Overly simplistic. Who sets the bar for what qualifies as a good upbringing and a loving home? Who decides when parents are failing to provide a good upbringing and a loving home?

Ultimately, the child, themself.  Those two factors alone can help determine their future and whether they would be an asset or a menace to society.

[Reginald_001]

In 2022 an app was launched, which everybody needed to use (mandatory), if you wanted to get into public places. The app had a personal account, linked to you, proving you were vaccinated. Government said it was safe, so people installed the app en-masse.

 

6 months later the database of users, including medical information, was on sale on tor-sites.

Yeah, I'm not trusting any personal information to any website, other than my email address, ever again.

Like.. ever.

 

I STILL get emails from the Dropbox hack with people mailing me back my old password, convincing me 'they hacked me'.

No thanks.

[Grey Cloud]

47 minutes ago, Dark Spectre said:

Which has nothing to do with the topic under discussion.

While your comment about what age verification can be used for is relevant to the topic? 

 

48 minutes ago, Dark Spectre said:

Ultimately, the child, themself.  Those two factors alone can help determine their future and whether they would be an asset or a menace to society.

At what point does child get to make this call? What tools such as intelligence, knowledge of the subject, psychological maturity to make this call?

Nobody is claiming that these two factors are not important.

[Count Chocula]

4 hours ago, Dark Spectre said:

Which has nothing to do with the topic under discussion.

The argument "but we have to verify our identities and age to get a drivers license or to buy alcohol" seems to be springing up a fair amount. Which, as you say, is nothing like online age verification. For something like a drivers license or going into a bar, you're there, in person, the person you need to show  your ID to is also there, looking at you. I'm surprised I haven't seen "Well, you have to show your ID to the police officer who's pulled you over for a traffic violation, don't you?"

Edited July 2, 2025 by Count Chocula
Typo, left the "-ing" off "springing"

[Grey Cloud]

15 minutes ago, Count Chocula said:

The argument "but we have to verify our identities and age to get a drivers license or to buy alcohol" seems to be spring up a fair amount. Which, as you say, is nothing like online age verification. For something like a drivers license or going into a bar, you're there, in person, the person you need to show  your ID to is also there, looking at you. I'm surprised I haven't seen "Well, you have to show your ID to the police officer who's pulled you over for a traffic violation, don't you?"

 

My comments were written in direct response to this:

6 hours ago, Dark Spectre said:

Age verification can be used as another excuse for further internet censorship; meaning less freedom.  Is that what you want: more censorship and less freedom?

Where the operative word is "can". 

 

One could argue that a lot of the critics of age verification are saying that if it can't be guaranteed to affect only the intended group (i.e. minors) then it shouldn't be used at all. Those opposed also fail to suggest a credible alternative.

Edited July 2, 2025 by Grey Cloud

[Count Chocula]

The argument seems to be "Since we have to show in some contexts evidence of our identities, and we are OK with that, we should be OK with showing in all contexts evidence of our identities." I'm sure that fallacy has a name.

[Dark Spectre]

32 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

 

My comments were written in direct response to this:

Where the operative word is "can". 

 

One could argue that a lot of the critics of age verification are saying that if it can't be guaranteed to affect only the intended group (i.e. minors) then it shouldn't be used at all. Those opposed also fail to suggest a credible alternative.

There's already a 'credible' alternative; it's called good parenting.  And now I'm starting to repeat myself.

Edited July 2, 2025 by Dark Spectre

[Miauzi]

And because of all this scaremongering, even mod authors are withdrawing from Loverslab - thanks for nothing

 

[Mort-Vivant]

5 hours ago, Count Chocula said:

The argument "but we have to verify our identities and age to get a drivers license or to buy alcohol" seems to be springing up a fair amount. Which, as you say, is nothing like online age verification. For something like a drivers license or going into a bar, you're there, in person, the person you need to show  your ID to is also there, looking at you. I'm surprised I haven't seen "Well, you have to show your ID to the police officer who's pulled you over for a traffic violation, don't you?"

 

And you just show your ID to the vendor when you need tobacco or alcohol, you don’t leave them a copy of your private information...

Edited July 2, 2025 by Mort-Vivant

[woodsman30]

Like all things that happen with Nexus I am not going to get my panties in a knot over it.The shit kids see on the streets everyday  is far worse than any mod site could offer. 

[Grey Cloud]

1 hour ago, Count Chocula said:

The argument seems to be "Since we have to show in some contexts evidence of our identities, and we are OK with that, we should be OK with showing in all contexts evidence of our identities." I'm sure that fallacy has a name.

That is a complete strawman. Nobody has said that. What I am saying is that context is everything - age verification is neutral. People just repeating the knee-jerk mantra "but age verification = censorship" proves nothing nor does it serve any useful purpose.

 

 

44 minutes ago, Mort-Vivant said:

And you just show you ID to the vendor when you need tobacco or alcohol, you don’t leave them a copy of your private information...

In the UK we don't have ID cards.

 

Let's review.

Nexus talked about bringing in age verification.

The age verification will be for adult-rated content.

Nexus have not yet said how the age verification will be done or what may be involved by way of personal details.

To me the key issues will be what info is required and how will that info be protected.

Cry havoc and let loose the dogs of drama and speculation.

 

Meanwhile you are all sat there with your mobile chock full of personal info; your computer chock full of cookies and whatnot; your social media accounts tracking every click; and all the rest of it.

 

1 hour ago, Dark Spectre said:

There's already a 'credible' alternative; it's called good parenting.  And now I'm starting to repeat myself.

So I ask again, who gets to decide what is good parenting? Your answer last time was that the children decide.

[Count Chocula]

43 minutes ago, woodsman30 said:

Like all things that happen with Nexus I am not going to get my panties in a knot over it.The shit kids see on the streets everyday  is far worse than any mod site could offer. 

That is also fallacious: "Since there are worse things than X, we shouldn't do anything about X until we deal with the worse things."

 

Kids accessing adult material, of all kinds, is an issue.  The sticking point is what to do about it.

 

Some people 'round here need to look up and learn the definition of "straw man." Because it's not "someone said something I disagree with." Not to mention learning how to reason by analogy.

 

If a particular jurisdiction has drivers licenses but not something literally called an "identification card," to say "The jurisdiction does not have ID cards" is pointlessly petulant pedantry. A drivers license is a form of ID card.

Edited July 2, 2025 by Count Chocula

[Grey Cloud]

2 minutes ago, Count Chocula said:

Kids accessing adult material, of all kinds, is an issue.  The sticking point is what to do about it.

Exactly but I have it on very good authority that good parenting is the answer.

[woodsman30]

44 minutes ago, Count Chocula said:

That is also fallacious: "Since there are worse things than X, we shouldn't do anything about X until we deal with the worse things."

I live in a world of reality if you want to protect kids than protect your kids by raising them right. People think they need to live in a world where everything is controlled because people do not want to make their children behave. I grew up saying yes ma'am and no sir and still do to this day when I stepped out of line my ass was handed to me and was better for it. Perhaps if people took responsibility for themselves and theirs  and stop looking for others to do it for them perhaps we would not be where we are today. 

And perhaps people need to stop making excuses for others and enabling them.

[Ronnie21093]

3 hours ago, Miauzi said:

And because of all this scaremongering, even mod authors are withdrawing from Loverslab - thanks for nothing

 

From the looks of it, it seems more like he was harassed than anything to do with this thread?