steelpanther24 Posted July 23, 2025 Posted July 23, 2025 On 7/22/2025 at 6:29 PM, Grey Cloud said: You think?  One small part of my digital book collection.   Reveal hidden contents    Cornford, Francis - Thucydides Mythistoricus (1907) Forsdyke, John - Greece before Homer; Ancient Chronology and Mythology (1957) Martin Nilsson - The Mycenaean Origin of Greek Myth Tyrrell Brown Athenian Myths and Institutions Words in Action  The Politics of Myth - C. G. Jung, Mircea Eliade, and Joseph Campbell  Bernard, Catherine - Celtic Mythology (2003)  Brisson Plato the Myth Maker (1999) UChicago Press. How Philosophers Saved Myths_ Allegorical Interpretation and Classical Mythology. Luc Brisson.Dec,2004  Cambridge University Press Myths of the Underworld Journey, Plato Aristophanes and the Orphic Gold Tablets (2004) Garbini - Myth and History in the Bible (2003) Langdon Mythology of all Races Morgan Kathryn Myth and Philosophy from the Presocratics to Plato CUP (2000) Rose, H.J. - A Handbook of Greek Mythology (6th edition) (1958)  Algonquin Indian Tales Bingham, Ann - South and Meso-American Mythology A to Z (2004) Schuman, Michael - Mayan & Aztec Mythology (2001) The Algonquin Legends of New England   Ah, and here is mine wrt mythology/ The last two are where I got most of my best knowledge, and I didn't post all of them since most got sold by my step mom in a garage sale:  Spoiler    Â
Grey Cloud Posted July 23, 2025 Posted July 23, 2025 28 minutes ago, steelpanther24 said: Ah, and here is mine wrt mythology I rest my case.
Ashal Posted July 24, 2025 Posted July 24, 2025 4 hours ago, Goblets said: Anyone who could give a tldr please?  Stupid UK government wants to be strict about identification for adult sites despite it being a generally unproductive idea. So, UK-based website NexusMods decides to follow the law as they are obligated to.  Some people are angry at the site instead of the responsible government and voting public. End of story. 10
Dark Spectre Posted July 24, 2025 Posted July 24, 2025 50 minutes ago, Ashal said:  Stupid UK government wants to be strict about identification for adult sites despite it being a generally unproductive idea. So, UK-based website NexusMods decides to follow the law as they are obligated to.  Some people are angry at the site instead of the responsible government and voting public. End of story. I couldn't have said it any better, myself.
Count Chocula Posted July 24, 2025 Posted July 24, 2025 (edited) 7 hours ago, OldTimer91 said: Not sure if Off Topic  It continues to gain momentum  https://itch.io/updates/update-on-nsfw-content  It's certainly tangentially related because it has to do with accessing adult content on the web. The difference here is that it's businesses making business decisions not businesses following some new laws. If enough of their advertisers said "We're not going to advertise on your site if you keep having NSFW mods," they'd be forced to make a business decision.  A key difference between what Steam (and itch.io, I guess) provides and what Nexsmods provides is that we can get mods from a lot of places. It's not like we can get commercially made games the mods are for from from just any old place. Edited July 24, 2025 by Count Chocula
Grey Cloud Posted July 24, 2025 Posted July 24, 2025 30 minutes ago, Count Chocula said: The difference here is that it's businesses making business decisions not businesses following some new laws. Business' take the law into consideration whenever they are making a decision.  9 hours ago, Ashal said: Stupid UK government wants to be strict about identification for adult sites despite it being a generally unproductive idea. Calling the UK govt 'stupid' just sounds childish. It is not only the UK govt -the EU and approx 20 US states are also going for it.  =============  The UK law kicks in tomorrow or midnight tonight (Thursday). Strange that nothing has appeared on Nexus. Â
waldschrat58 Posted July 24, 2025 Posted July 24, 2025 I don´t understand all the fuss. If you are old enough, you will make a proof of age. If you´re too young, you have no place there anyway. Everyone who is old enough can decide for themselves what they do. And I don´t think that Nexus will go down because of that.  1
Grey Cloud Posted July 24, 2025 Posted July 24, 2025 Steam and the rest of them are parasites so they will get no sympathy from me. Â In the interest of balance. Collective Shout
Dark Spectre Posted July 24, 2025 Posted July 24, 2025 2 hours ago, RedHeadAngel said: Take a look at this.   And so it begins. People's rights and freedoms being wrongfully taken away, one step at a time for some 'moral' crusade that only mindless sycophants asked for.
Grey Cloud Posted July 24, 2025 Posted July 24, 2025 53 minutes ago, Dark Spectre said: People's rights and freedoms being wrongfully taken away Does that include the women and girls that CS are trying to protect? Do CS not have the right and freedom to do the campaign?
waldschrat58 Posted July 24, 2025 Posted July 24, 2025 I´ve been playing since the C64 and I have experienced many of these Tsunamis. What is always the same: In a few months, no one will talk about it anymore.
Dark Spectre Posted July 24, 2025 Posted July 24, 2025 (edited) Hey look at that, the ignore function works! Should have used it, ages ago. Edited July 24, 2025 by Dark Spectre
shrtjsrtj Posted July 24, 2025 Posted July 24, 2025 36 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: Does that include the women and girls that CS are trying to protect? Yes. Quote Do CS not have the right and freedom to do the campaign? No one is calling for their arrest.
Count Chocula Posted July 25, 2025 Posted July 25, 2025 4 hours ago, waldschrat58 said: I don´t understand all the fuss. If you are old enough, you will make a proof of age. If you´re too young, you have no place there anyway. Everyone who is old enough can decide for themselves what they do. And I don´t think that Nexus will go down because of that.  If you don't understand "all the fuss" then either you have not read very much of the thread or you are in the group of people who simply don't care about this kind of thing.  I don't think anyone thinks Nexusmods will "go down" due to this.
DoctaSax Posted July 25, 2025 Posted July 25, 2025 Since that itch thing started with a petition, here's a counter: https://chng.it/v8LS2gLWn7 3
Leo77 Posted July 25, 2025 Posted July 25, 2025 8 hours ago, DoctaSax said: Since that itch thing started with a petition, here's a counter: https://chng.it/v8LS2gLWn7 I feel like the petition is targeting the wrong entity. From what i've read, the main culprit in this entire mess is US law, specifically FOSTA-SESTA. So just targeting Collective Shout or Visa and MasterCard likely won't do much.
Leo77 Posted July 25, 2025 Posted July 25, 2025 Sadly, this seems like a losing battle to me, because the powers that be have the two easy arguments of "Think of the children!" and "You care about porn? You must be a pervert." Anything anyone may say against this will be easily countered with one of the above and the general public will side with them, since most people will only see what's on the surface and won't want to side with what they perceive to be creepy perverts that don't want to safeguard children. 4
RedHeadAngel Posted July 25, 2025 Posted July 25, 2025 This is the last time I’ll post on this thread, because I’ve seen enough drama. I’ll leave with this to maybe cool some people’s nerves. As long as something exists, there will always be those who oppose it. Maybe the tables will turn, and these new policies will be reversed if people keep fighting them. Problems don’t just go away. You need to make them stop, and the only way to do that is by pushing back. If people keep fighting against the policies, it will pressure those enacting them. No guarantees, but who knows? Just remember: Silence is the enemy. 1
Grey Cloud Posted July 25, 2025 Posted July 25, 2025 1 hour ago, Leo77 said: Sadly, this seems like a losing battle to me, because the powers that be have the two easy arguments of "Think of the children!" and "You care about porn? You must be a pervert." Anything anyone may say against this will be easily countered with one of the above and the general public will side with them, since most people will only see what's on the surface and won't want to side with what they perceive to be creepy perverts that don't want to safeguard children.  1 hour ago, Princess Lyria said:  You're right to feel like it's a losing battle, and that "Think of the children!" and "You must be a pervert" are emotional arguments used as leverage. But even if the odds are stacked, that doesn’t mean the fight isn’t worth having. Just speaking out creates a narrative.      Should we not 'think of the children'?  From the Collective Shout letter: Re: Your corporations facilitating and profiting from rape, incest and child sexual abuse game sales We the undersigned are writing to request that you cease processing payments on gaming platforms which host rape, incest and child sexual abuse-themed games. https://www.collectiveshout.org/open-letter-to-payment-processors  From the petition link. We demand that MasterCard, Visa, and their pressure partners: Stop censoring legal fictional content that complies with the law and platform standards. Reject influence from activist groups that promote moral panic or misrepresent fiction as harm. Be fully transparent about content restrictions and the rationale behind them. Protect creators' rights to make legal adult content and ensure a fair appeals process for any penalized media. https://www.change.org/p/tell-mastercard-visa-activist-groups-stop-controlling-what-we-can-watch-read-or-play?recruited_by_id=0b8636a0-690a-11f0-8492-01ed81295d6b  Note that Collective Shout 'request' whereas the petitioners 'demand'.Â
Grey Cloud Posted July 25, 2025 Posted July 25, 2025 Around 6,000 porn sites start checking ages in UK Around 6,000 sites allowing porn in the UK will start checking if users are over 18 on Friday, according to the media regulator Ofcom. Dame Melanie Dawes, its chief executive, told the BBC "we are starting to see not just words but action from the technology industry" to improve child safety online. She told BBC Radio Four's Today programme that "no other country had pulled off" such measures, nor gained commitments from so many platforms, including Elon Musk's X, around age verification. But the BBC understands at least one major porn site operating in the UK does not seem to be requiring age checks as of Friday morning. And experts remain sceptical about the effectiveness of Ofcom's age checks and how easy it may be for people, particularly children, to circumvent them. Ofcom said on Thursday, external that more platforms, including Discord, X (formerly Twitter), social media app Bluesky and dating app Grindr, had agreed to bring in age checks. The regulator had already received commitments from sites such as Pornhub - the UK's most visited porn website - and social media platform Reddit. Requirements to verify age on Reddit appear to have taken effect across a wide range of its individual, topic-based subreddits, such as those dedicated to discussions about alcohol. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c24v4dl5r16o
Grey Cloud Posted July 25, 2025 Posted July 25, 2025 33 minutes ago, Princess Lyria said: But lumping all adult content together with criminal behavior is disingenuous and harmful. Nobody is doing that. The underlying issue is access to the material.  35 minutes ago, Princess Lyria said: This is really about freedom of expression, privacy, and the right to create and share legal content without being labeled as a pervert or criminal just because someone’s uncomfortable. Modders can still create their mods. Nobody is labelling anybody anything.  41 minutes ago, Princess Lyria said: People should absolutely care about child safety. Except when the safety measures impact their life.
DoctaSax Posted July 25, 2025 Posted July 25, 2025 3 hours ago, Grey Cloud said: Should we not 'think of the children'?  Payment processors cracking down on a variety of platforms hosting extreme content has little to do with protecting children, other than lumping that in with preventing all sexual violence by banning games that have it, hint at it, or not even that (sometimes just having a queer character in it is enough). The underlying idea here is that playing games causes such behavior in reality, which I'd call tenuous if I was feeling charitable.  Note that CS previously tried to ban Detroit: Become Human supposedly for featuring child abuse and violence against women - there was indeed a story arc in there that had those elements, and the story was clearly meant to have you empathize with the victims. They attacked it like it encouraged such violence. They tried to have GTA V taken off store shelves when games were still in stores because whatever horrible shit you decide to do to random NPCs is obviously also possible to do to female NPCs: the game, they said, encourages players to kill women. It just ain't true. These people are liars.  CS's letter to the payment processors said such content isn't in line with said processors' corporate values; now that's a crock, innit. I can use my credit card to purchase harmful substances, weapons, items produced by child slavery, and a shit ton of things that drastically and irreparably harm the environment, but Visa draws the line at some run-of-the-mill incest-themed Ren'py game.  3 hours ago, Grey Cloud said: Note that Collective Shout 'request' whereas the petitioners 'demand'.  Your point? I've got a nice old walnut tree whose branches have grown to hang fairly low over the street - the garbage truck can only just pass, but it can pass. Someone may 'request' local government to force me to cut it down to facilitate larger trucks passing through. And I would certainly 'demand' they leave the tree alone, it's real nice, it's mine, and it's not as if large trucks ever need to be here anyway. 5
unwashed biomass Posted July 25, 2025 Posted July 25, 2025 2 hours ago, Grey Cloud said: Should we not 'think of the children'? Failrure of a troll. Lile u re not even trying to hide your nature at all. 8
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