Nexusmods Changing Policies on Adult Content

[Dark Spectre]

29 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

If that is aimed at me then you cannot possibly know if I question my government's actions and stating anti-porn sentiments on an adult modding site has no bearing on questioning my government's actions nor is it relevant that this is an adult modding site.

It seems I struck a nerve there.  Relax, it was a general statement; it wasn't directly aimed at you.  I only reached this conclusion with like-minded posts in this thread.

 

31 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

We can also note that I said 'porn industry' not 'porn'.

Porn, porn 'industry': one can't exist without the other.

 

37 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

This thread is about changes which will be made on a non-adult site resulting from multi-national legislation covering a large swathe of 'adult-rated' material and minors accessing such material.

To put it more accurately: this thread is about unnecessary interference from the government instead of letting the parents do their job.

[RedHeadAngel]

49 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

If that is aimed at me then you cannot possibly know if I question my government's actions and stating anti-porn sentiments on an adult modding site has no bearing on questioning my government's actions nor is it relevant that this is an adult modding site.

 

We can also note that I said 'porn industry' not 'porn'. This thread is about changes which will be made on a non-adult site resulting from multi-national legislation covering a large swathe of 'adult-rated' material and minors accessing such material.

Well, Nexus is an adult site. They have adult mods that contain sexual content and nudity.

[Grey Cloud]

1 hour ago, Dark Spectre said:

Relax, it was a general statement; it wasn't directly aimed at you. 

If you say so.

 

1 hour ago, Dark Spectre said:

Porn, porn 'industry': one can't exist without the other.

One person can draw a pornographic image or write a pornographic story without the existence of a pornographic industry.

 

1 hour ago, Dark Spectre said:

this thread is about unnecessary interference from the government instead of letting the parents do their job.

The thread title is: Nexusmods Changing Policies on Adult Content.

Are you saying that you have never done something which your parents told you to not do? Or if you have are you saying it is down to bad parenting? 

 

============

If I'm not mistaken, the UK law kicks in later this week so maybe we will get something from Nexus before that and everyone posting here will transform into cyber security experts.

Edited July 20, 2025 by Grey Cloud

[Dark Spectre]

3 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

One person can draw a pornographic image or write a pornographic story without the existence of a pornographic industry.

In these modern times?  Highly unlikely.

 

3 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

The thread title is: Nexusmods Changing Policies on Adult Content.

I can CLEARLY see the thread title, thanks.  But the real question is why?

 

3 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

Are you saying that you have never done something which your parents told you to not do? Or if you have are you saying it is down to bad parenting? 

Children are going to make mistakes; it's up to the parents to guide them.  Better that than Big Brother invading your privacy and taking away your freedom.

 

3 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

============

If I'm not mistaken, the UK law kicks in later this week so maybe we will get something from Nexus before that and everyone posting here will transform into cyber security experts.

I pity your neighbors.  I really do.

 

EDIT: Yeah, I'm done.  Going around in circles, again.

Edited July 20, 2025 by Dark Spectre

[Grey Cloud]

1 hour ago, Dark Spectre said:

In these modern times?  Highly unlikely.

 

I can CLEARLY see the thread title, thanks.  But the real question is why?

 

Children are going to make mistakes; it's up to the parents to guide them.  Better that than Big Brother invading your privacy and taking away your freedom.

 

I pity your neighbors.  I really do.

 

Why is it 'highly unlikely' 'in these modern times'?

You said the thread was 'about unnecessary interference from the government instead of letting the parents do their job'. That is not what the thread title suggests.

Nobody is suggesting that it is not a parent's responsibility to guide their child. I asked you a direst question which have failed to answer.

 

1 hour ago, Dark Spectre said:

I pity your neighbors.  I really do

Why?

[Count Chocula]

11 hours ago, Dark Spectre said:

EDIT: Yeah, I'm done.  Going around in circles, again.

"Hair splitting." "moving the goal posts" and "non sequiturs" are the words of the day.

[Grey Cloud]

15 hours ago, Dark Spectre said:

EDIT: Yeah, I'm done.  Going around in circles, again.

You didn't answer a single question. You followed the same recipe that people like you generally do.

1. Make ridiculous assertion and when the assertion is questioned:

2. Ignore the question and attempt to deflect by introducing something else.

3. Rinse and repeat until you run out of ideas at which point you project and quit while claiming the high ground.

 

Examples:

You said porn and the porn industry couldn't not exist without each other.

I gave the example of "One person can draw a pornographic image or write a pornographic story without the existence of a pornographic industry".

You replied: "In these modern times?  Highly unlikely."

I then asked "Why is it 'highly unlikely' 'in these modern times'?"

At this point you ran off.

 

I said: "This thread is about changes which will be made on a non-adult site resulting from multi-national legislation covering a large swathe of 'adult-rated' material and minors accessing such material."

You replied "To put it more accurately: this thread is about unnecessary interference from the government instead of letting the parents do their job."

I came back with "The thread title is: Nexusmods Changing Policies on Adult Content." and "Are you saying that you have never done something which your parents told you to not do? Or if you have are you saying it is down to bad parenting?"

To which you responded "I can CLEARLY see the thread title, thanks.  But the real question is why?" and "Children are going to make mistakes; it's up to the parents to guide them.  Better that than Big Brother invading your privacy and taking away your freedom."

At this point you ran off.

 

Nothing circular about this. It is entirely linear as you attempt to distance yourself from your ridiculous assertions and questions you cannot answer.

Edited July 21, 2025 by Grey Cloud

[DoctaSax]

6 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

You followed the same recipe that people like you generally do.

 

I believe most people came into this thread looking for a discussion rather than a debate for a win decided on terms dictated by yourself.

 

On 7/5/2025 at 8:57 PM, Grey Cloud said:

I have read your posts and challenged your assertions and you have failed to meet any of the challenges.

 

Guarding a bridge, are we?

[Dark Spectre]

10 hours ago, Count Chocula said:

"Hair splitting." "moving the goal posts" and "non sequiturs" are the words of the day.

That sounds about right, moving on.  Not worth the attention, especially from someone who perpetuates arguments due to 'not properly answering their questions'.  *tsk* Seriously...

Edited July 21, 2025 by Dark Spectre

[Count Chocula]

39 minutes ago, Dark Spectre said:

That sounds about right, moving on.  Not worth the attention, especially from someone who perpetuates arguments due to 'not properly answering their questions'.  *tsk* Seriously...

On the topic, is there much left to discuss, until we see what Nexusmods actually does? And if it did actually put some porn sites out of business, not really a big deal in my opinon. How many 10,000s of commercial porn sites are there in the world? I personally don't care if a few shaky web sites go out of business because it's too expensive to cope with new laws and regulations. I do care if I'm expected to, as many are theorizing, give Nexusmods a copy of my drivers license.

[Dark Spectre]

7 minutes ago, Count Chocula said:

On the topic, is there much left to discuss, until we see what Nexusmods actually does? And if it did actually put some porn sites out of business, not really a big deal in my opinon. How many 10,000s of commercial porn sites are there in the world? I personally don't care if a few shaky web sites go out of business because it's too expensive to cope with new laws and regulations. I do care if I'm expected to, as many are theorizing, give Nexusmods a copy of my drivers license.

That'll be the worst possible outcome.  And what if it becomes a worldwide trend?  That's what I'm fearing the most.

Edited July 21, 2025 by Dark Spectre

[Count Chocula]

1 minute ago, Dark Spectre said:

That'll be the worst possible outcome.  And what if it becomes a worldwide trend?  That's what I'm fearing the most.

Apparently many U.S. states are considering implementing similar laws. If a law helps consumers, then I don't care if it burdens business. But a (still hypothetical) law requiring me to give Nexusmods a copy of my ID does not help me or any other consumer in any way. As probably more than one person has mentioned in this thread, what laws like that are about is making politicians feel good about themselves.

 

Having to click a button that says "I am 18" to access an adult web site should be good enough. An underage person can click it, sure. Let's say a 16-year old does that, their parents find out and flip out at the web site. "My child was looking at porn in your web site!" Web site operator says "They had to click a button verifying they are 18. If they're essentially lying to me about their age, are they lying to you about more important things? I don't know, but you should consider improving your parenting skills and stop asking me to do it for you." I think that pretty much encapsulates the attitudes many have already expressed in this thread.

[Grey Cloud]

1 hour ago, DoctaSax said:

I believe most people came into this thread looking for a discussion rather than a debate for a win decided on terms dictated by yourself.

There were discussions and there were people dropping assertions as facts.  I challenged the latter using the actual words of the asserter. The terms aren't mine they are the terms any discussion uses - offer evidence in support of the assertions.

 

1 hour ago, DoctaSax said:

Guarding a bridge, are we?

I'm assuming this a reference to trolls. If so, in Scandinavian mythology trolls don't guard bridges.

[Qviddhartha]

2 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

3 hours ago, DoctaSax said:

Guarding a bridge, are we?

I'm assuming this a reference to trolls. If so, in Scandinavian mythology trolls don't guard bridges.

 

I'll take this as a yes then. 😉

[Grey Cloud]

5 minutes ago, Qviddhartha said:

 

I'll take this as a yes then. 😉

Take it how you will but the fact remains that in Scandinavian mythology trolls do not guard bridges.

 

In terms of their habitat, trolls in Norse mythology usually dwelled deep in the forests or high in inaccessible mountain caves. The myth about trolls living under bridges came later on from the Norwegian fairy tale Three Billy Goats Gruff (De tre bukkene Bruse in Norwegian).

 

Trolls, Giants, and Jötnar – Different Versions of the Same Creature?

If that’s the stereotypical Norse troll then what about Norse giants and jötnar (jötunn singular)? Depending on the scholar you ask, the myth you read, or its translation, trolls, giants, and jötnar are all variations of the same mythical creature – giant, ancient, either evil or morally neutral beings who are antagonists to the Asgardian gods in Norse mythology.

https://symbolsage.com/trolls-in-norse-mythology/

 

A troll is a being in Nordic folklore, including Norse mythology. In Old Norse sources, beings described as trolls dwell in isolated areas of rocks, mountains, or caves, live together in small family units, and are rarely helpful to human beings.

In later Scandinavian folklore, trolls became beings in their own right, where they live far from human habitation, are not Christianized, and are considered dangerous to human beings. Depending on the source, their appearance varies greatly; trolls may be ugly and slow-witted, or look and behave exactly like human beings, with no particularly grotesque characteristic about them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll

 

Trolls in modern tales for children often live under bridges, menacing travelers and exacting tasks or tolls.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/troll

[steelpanther24]

2 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

Take it how you will but the fact remains that in Scandinavian mythology trolls do not guard bridges.

 

In terms of their habitat, trolls in Norse mythology usually dwelled deep in the forests or high in inaccessible mountain caves. The myth about trolls living under bridges came later on from the Norwegian fairy tale Three Billy Goats Gruff (De tre bukkene Bruse in Norwegian).

 

Trolls, Giants, and Jötnar – Different Versions of the Same Creature?

If that’s the stereotypical Norse troll then what about Norse giants and jötnar (jötunn singular)? Depending on the scholar you ask, the myth you read, or its translation, trolls, giants, and jötnar are all variations of the same mythical creature – giant, ancient, either evil or morally neutral beings who are antagonists to the Asgardian gods in Norse mythology.

https://symbolsage.com/trolls-in-norse-mythology/

 

A troll is a being in Nordic folklore, including Norse mythology. In Old Norse sources, beings described as trolls dwell in isolated areas of rocks, mountains, or caves, live together in small family units, and are rarely helpful to human beings.

In later Scandinavian folklore, trolls became beings in their own right, where they live far from human habitation, are not Christianized, and are considered dangerous to human beings. Depending on the source, their appearance varies greatly; trolls may be ugly and slow-witted, or look and behave exactly like human beings, with no particularly grotesque characteristic about them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll

 

Trolls in modern tales for children often live under bridges, menacing travelers and exacting tasks or tolls.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/troll

Well, hell.   You impressed me!  Please tell me how much education you have, I am sure I will be even more impressed. 

[RedHeadAngel]

Me continuing to watch as the drama drags on.

 

[Morferous]

Meanwhile in EU.

 

Many countries -including where I live - are already using banks to verify access on several sites daily basis. I got up an hour ago and have already used it couple of times.

My big problem here is that Valve chose selected payment processors, instead of the usual verification process. I do not like to order, where information moves. This could get messy, if Nexus follows their example.

 

It does not seem that they have properly figured this one out yet. If they allow standard methods to be used, most people here do not even notice the difference. Just one more site that pings your cellphone banking 2FA, when you sign in.*

Companies in EU do not get to collect personal information with this system in place. What information you have filed to that specific service and how their targeted ads are working is of course another thing.

*Edit: Maybe not even that. I don't see why would need to constantly verify the account. I think once, or once per valid card would be more than enough.
 

Edited July 22, 2025 by Morferous

[Count Chocula]

1 hour ago, Morferous said:

Companies in EU do not get to collect personal information with this system in place. What information you have filed to that specific service and how their targeted ads are working is of course another thing.

I suspect that most people in the U.S. don't care about guarding their privacy. People I talk to are pretty ignorant about things as basic as cookies and when they do know about things like cookies, they don't care. My opinion is that most people, and I could be wrong (I'm always leery when someone makes claims about "most people"), just want it to work and are willing to expose themselves to privacy risks to get it. 

[Zorai]

17 minutes ago, Count Chocula said:

I suspect that most people in the U.S. don't care about guarding their privacy. People I talk to are pretty ignorant about things as basic as cookies and when they do know about things like cookies, they don't care. My opinion is that most people, and I could be wrong (I'm always leery when someone makes claims about "most people"), just want it to work and are willing to expose themselves to privacy risks to get it. 

 

From my experience with people of this type, its usually more so that they don't believe anything bad will happen. That, and they usually don't really grasp how dangerous it is to throw your information out there like that without a thought of where it goes.

[Miauzi]

Vor 41 Minuten sagte Graf Chocula:

Ich vermute, dass den meisten Menschen in den USA der Schutz ihrer Privatsphäre egal ist. Die Leute, mit denen ich spreche, wissen so wenig über so grundlegende Dinge wie Cookies, und wenn sie etwas darüber wissen, ist es ihnen egal. Meiner Meinung nach wollen die meisten Leute – und ich könnte mich irren (ich bin immer misstrauisch, wenn jemand Behauptungen über „die meisten Leute“ aufstellt) – einfach nur, dass es funktioniert, und sind bereit, dafür Datenschutzrisiken in Kauf zu nehmen. 

 

There are many contradictions anyway.

In Germany, too, I assume an overwhelming majority of the population – who don't care at all what happens to their data -> as long as it (e.g., the internet) works AND is practically free.

 

You may still distrust your own government... but certainly NOT the "data octopuses" – to whom you VOLUNTARILY give your personal data... or through whose services you make your entire life virtually public.

 

When I was the focus of the East-Germnay "STASI" more than 35 years ago (because of my involvement in an environmental movement) – they actually had to send real people after me to get their information.

Today, I carry my own "motion detector" (with a built-in microphone) with me on a smartphone – whose battery can no longer be removed (because it's glued to the case)!

 

My interest in data protection was sparked during my first visit to the annual CCC conference (December 1989) in Hamburg – alongside my fascination with the technical fundamentals of remote data transmission (back then still on analog telephone lines via modem).

 

And what have I repeatedly heard or read in the years since then?

-> I'm a law-abiding citizen – why should I become the target of an intelligence agency or the police?

-> because "state bodies" (police, intelligence agencies, etc.) are fundamentally paranoid (a central functional description), and even as an "upstanding citizen," you can end up in this "scrutiny mill" purely by chance.

 

And if you can't find anything "reprehensible" about a citizen, then they're even more suspect... that's the logic of these security service providers, like "sleeper identity"...

 

Furthermore, there's also the sector of industrial espionage... and yes, here, too, I've had my own experiences in the 35 years I've lived in the capitalist economy.

It was the NSA - which intercepted and analyzed the information traffic (telephone, fax, email) between our offices... and forwarded it to a US company.

Here in Germany, we weren't an isolated case - quite the opposite... the Cold War surveillance equipment was used extensively against the economy of its vassal state after 1990.

 

So why should I get upset in this world about whether a modding site now receives some kind of proof of age.

If it gets too complicated for me personally... I have other hobbies too!

Edited July 22, 2025 by Miauzi

[Grey Cloud]

9 hours ago, steelpanther24 said:

Well, hell.   You impressed me!  Please tell me how much education you have, I am sure I will be even more impressed. 

Educated enough to use a search engine.

 

Mythology is one of my hobbies/interests I don't need to be 'educated' - intelligence, curiosity and a love of reading suffice.

Edited July 22, 2025 by Grey Cloud

[Count Chocula]

7 hours ago, Miauzi said:

And what have I repeatedly heard or read in the years since then?

-> I'm a law-abiding citizen – why should I become the target of an intelligence agency or the police?

I read your whole post. I'm clipping the part I'm responding to in order to save space.

 

I had a professor once who said something along the lines of "If you tell me you have nothing to hide, then you must lead an incredibly boring life, because everyone has something to hide. It doesn't necessarily mean it's illegal."

[steelpanther24]

10 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

Educated enough to use a search engine.

 

Mythology is one of my hobbies/interests I don't need to be 'educated' - intelligence, curiosity and a love of reading suffice.

Yea, I hate all that fancy book learning too.   I had my Deities and Demigods, but my brother took it, so I am left with Legends and Lore.  That is pretty much all you need wrt mythology.  

[Grey Cloud]

1 hour ago, steelpanther24 said:

That is pretty much all you need wrt mythology. 

You think?

 

One small part of my digital book collection.

 

Cornford, Francis - Thucydides Mythistoricus (1907)

Forsdyke, John - Greece before Homer; Ancient Chronology and Mythology (1957)

Martin Nilsson - The Mycenaean Origin of Greek Myth

Tyrrell Brown Athenian Myths and Institutions Words in Action

 

The Politics of Myth - C. G. Jung, Mircea Eliade, and Joseph Campbell

 

Bernard, Catherine - Celtic Mythology (2003)

 

Brisson Plato the Myth Maker (1999) 

UChicago Press. How Philosophers Saved Myths_ Allegorical Interpretation and Classical Mythology. Luc Brisson.Dec,2004

 

Cambridge University Press Myths of the Underworld Journey, Plato Aristophanes and the Orphic Gold Tablets (2004)

Garbini - Myth and History in the Bible (2003)

Langdon Mythology of all Races

Morgan Kathryn Myth and Philosophy from the Presocratics to Plato CUP (2000)

Rose, H.J. - A Handbook of Greek Mythology (6th edition) (1958)

 

Algonquin Indian Tales

Bingham, Ann - South and Meso-American Mythology A to Z (2004)

Schuman, Michael - Mayan & Aztec Mythology (2001)

The Algonquin Legends of New England