MSMA: SexFight (like "Succubus Drain") and Bimbofication

[judge007]

2 hours ago, MSM_Alice said:

Added a patched 0.7992; there was a less obvious issue with the post prostitution dialogue scene being interrupted, causing the entire reward to be lost.

Unclear by what it was interrupted exactly, it might have been by some of the new QoH comments themselves.
Now it should be harder to interrupt that scene via unnatural ways.

 

What a coincidence!

My current restart with 0.7990 is at the Security Office in DC.

 

Great Timing

[MSM_Alice]

Going back to the current plan, to keep my thoughts organised: 
... ( lots of things Done since  February, these are just the relatively recent  

• ...
•  Done:  Bimbo Infiltration/Spycraft/ extra leniency and peace time, being considered not a threat by enemies, if approaching combat the bimbo way. 
•  Done:  re-add in scripts with proper compatibility for the Old AAF from Nexus, which some people are still using (but new AAF works with the old pre NG Fallout too, so maybe it was not needed after all?).  Done, at least in theory. I am not testing on it with super great frequency.
•  Done:  Bimbo Infiltration/Spycraft - Adding dazed state with sourcing items from Dazed enemies.
•  Done:  Influence gaining and "Non-sexual animation SexFight"  on non sexual animation from CHAK mod.
•  Done - More events that QoH monitors and reacts to are configurable in the MCM.
•  Done - Dildo fiends' size effects on progressively higher level bimbos, and QoH monitoring and conversation on it
•  Done -  make extreme things in prostitution (or Codsworth craving) more siloed based on activated cravings and/or higher bimbo levels (less accidentally discovered at lower bimbo levels).  
•  Done - Beefing up Qoh Audio lines, and building a line pool system so it is less prone to repetition 
•  Done - Prelude Logo/Cover image.
•  Done - Make the additional customers in multi-customer Prostitution scenarios look more varied, and less like Vicks Wedge and Piete twins in different clothing.

 

• In progress -( the Queen Of Hearts) Level up conversations, that decide the bimbo path  (Psycho Bimbo, or Airhead Bimbo,  Spycraft-focused Bimbo, or  Bimbo-in-denial)
• In progress -( the Queen Of Hearts) A system by which QoH addresses the player audibly, by name. Name can be "Nora", "Bimbo" or several variations, depending on the type of bimbo (Psychotic, or Airhead,  Spycraft-focused, or Bimbo-in-denial) the player chooses to become. Name can also be the Nuka Ride's chosen pornstar name. A temporary Name can also be picked from one of the derogatory tattoos the player might have from the SaveTats mod ( like Cow Tits, Summer Slut, Breeder, Cum Dumpster), but only while those tattoos are actually on.

 

• To Do: And a min time  (MCM configurable) for rejuvenation surgical interventions (can't do it more often than X game days/hours).
• To Do: -Bugfix and polish, adding more ...style, more... panache to all events.
  • Figure out why the Alt orgasm sounds are rather silent/unremarkable
  • . A new polish pass on dialogues,  dial down the outrageous-ness of some placeholder dialogues into a more believable range, in general, making the dialogue more believable,  fixing typos and voice generation, short prompts, face expressions, gaze direction, and idle anims. Maybe regenerate voice files that sound too robotic.
  • Fleshing out a bit more Marina's prelude dialogues and (really want Marina to see more of your status and react differently to changes whenever you visit, and to be open to have deeper chats on her terrace about all the changes that the player is going through and what they mean, practically and psychologically. If you pass by her after being abused by Piete's cocku-bots, she should ideally react to the player's inflation and status with a custom scene/dialogue.)
• "Maybe" -s
  • maybe  move the gifting of the dildo friends to a terrace conversation, where she lays them on the table (not sure about this since long term each of the four are meant to be acquired with individual missions in Act 1, so this is work that will be tossed away anyway).
  • maybe  add the "Tap-out" SexFight  "Limit break" style move, on overly hard sexfights. (but maybe Relegate to act 1 too) - does not feel as such a need after adding particular NPC preferences, really.
  • Pack it all neatly with BSA archives. Maybe even make a Fomod for all of that with the selectable options.
  • maybe Clean out Script source files, with better comments and indentation, and whatnot 
  • maybe Some NPC reactions to seeing the player and their stats (or actions, if using the dildo friends in the middle of Diamond City, that oughta get quite a reaction
• Find a place to host it, and release Prelude 1.0 before the year is over 

 

Delayed

• Relegated to Act1:  Better item management on death/Visiting Bimbo Limbo, and the three Limbo Stooges need to have more awareness of where they are coming from and what are appropriate and creative reeducation events, not just chucking horny super mutants at the player and hoping something sticks. 
• Relegated to Act1:  First Iteration of basic De-Bimbo school functionality in the actual location of the De-Bimbo School
• Relegated to Act1:  Enabling more on the SaveFlow events, do that 4'th wall breaking thing.

Edited November 24, 2025 by MSM_Alice

[mercplatypus]

I'd say to definitely skip any work that you know you'll be scrapping anyway later on.  There's no sense in devoting that effort when you already know you aren't keeping it that way.  Otherwise it's looking fairly good.

[Mimirue17]

Noticed a few of the face-fuck lines specifically (new ones) are happening when the scene is anal.   Know it happened twice during Pervert scene in Sanctuary Cell using the stool and I think the Bed in the living room.   The lines starting at bimbo 3 are interesting - lots of bimbo fantasies taking over our brain   Which I assume is Depravity points.

[MSM_Alice]

1 hour ago, Mimirue17 said:

Noticed a few of the face-fuck lines specifically (new ones) are happening when the scene is anal.   Know it happened twice during Pervert scene in Sanctuary Cell using the stool and I think the Bed in the living room.   The lines starting at bimbo 3 are interesting - lots of bimbo fantasies taking over our brain   Which I assume is Depravity points.

Thank you!
Will double-check.

I am gating them based on the condition that the animation in question should have an oral tag, but not an anal or vaginal tag. 
Maybe that particular animation lacks the anal tag?  Or maybe has multiple different phases ( in which case I can't differentiate )?

Can you let me know what animation that was, from what mod, and what tags it has in the XML where it is defined?

Right now, in order to have maximum variation, aside from adding more lines, I actually also brought over the QoH lines from the "shocking/rude" pool of lines too. Before those worlds wouldn't mix. 
To get maximum variation, I am not separating them based on language tone setting anymore (more tame, or more spicy), nor am I gating them based on bimbo level up, since it is not the player saying them but the QoH who can be considered a high-level bimbo at the start.

 

If ou are hearing spicier comment from QoH from level 3 and up in AAF anims, is because at level 3 you are getting in spicier AAF anims,  not because of a Bimbo-level based line filtration.

Edited November 24, 2025 by MSM_Alice

[Mimirue17]

12 minutes ago, MSM_Alice said:

Thank you!
Will double-check.

I am gating them based on the condition that the animation in question should have an oral tag, but not an anal or vaginal tag. 
Maybe that particular animation lacks the anal tag?  Or maybe has multiple different phases ( in which case I can't differentiate )?

Can you let me know what animation that was, from what mod, and what tags it has in the XML where it is defined?

Right now, in order to have maximum variation, aside from adding more lines, I actually also brought over the QoH lines from the "shocking/rude" pool of lines too. Before those worlds wouldn't mix. 
To get maximum variation, I am not separating them based on language tone setting anymore (more tame, or more spicy), nor am I gating them based on bimbo level up, since it is not the player saying them but the QoH who can be considered a high-level bimbo at the start.

 

If ou are hearing spicier comment from QoH from level 3 and up in AAF anims, is because at level 3 you are getting in spicier AAF anims,  not because of a Bimbo-level based line filtration.

I just had that oral line hit during Leito carry Reverse Cowgirl that I manually called.   It has always been something from behind that called it, doggy, reverse cowgirl etc.   I will keep my eyes out for specific animations to see if it happens with certain ones.

 

She was jailed in a cell and being forced to have sex acts over and over - with QoH set pretty high she was having a blast with all the action, found it very entertaining so not complaining at all!

[MSM_Alice]

1 minute ago, Mimirue17 said:

I just had that oral line hit during Leito carry Reverse Cowgirl that I manually called.   It has always been something from behind that called it, doggy, reverse cowgirl etc.   I will keep my eyes out for specific animations to see if it happens with certain ones.

 

She was jailed in a cell and being forced to have sex acts over and over - with QoH set pretty high she was having a blast with all the action, found it very entertaining so not complaining at all!

And given your existing set of animation patches, what is the current set of tags for that animation?
Are the tags the same from the original Leito animation pack?
Animation patches sometimes change tags.

[Mimirue17]

18 minutes ago, MSM_Alice said:

And given your existing set of animation patches, what is the current set of tags for that animation?
Are the tags the same from the original Leito animation pack?
Animation patches sometimes change tags.

[11/24/2025 - 08:18:20AM] PVPK Debug: Animation had these tags: ["LOVE5", "LEITO", "", "PenisToVagina", "NOFURN", "Neutral", "F_M", "STIM7", "HELD1", "NULLTOSELF", "SF:A=F_LEITO_REVERSECARRY_S4:A=M_LEITO_REVERSECARRY_S4", "DOM-3", "CARRY", "FROMBEHIND"]
[11/24/2025 - 08:18:20AM] CMkz Debug: Animation had these tags: ["LOVE5", "LEITO", "", "PenisToVagina", "NOFURN", "Neutral", "F_M", "STIM7", "HELD1", "NULLTOSELF", "SF:A=F_LEITO_REVERSECARRY_S4:A=M_LEITO_REVERSECARRY_S4", "DOM-3", "CARRY", "FROMBEHIND"]
[11/24/2025 - 08:18:20AM] PVPK Debug: hasConsensualMeta: False, hasPlayerRapedMeta: False, hasPlayerRapistMeta: False
[11/24/2025 - 08:18:20AM] CMkz Debug: FoundAnalTag = False, FoundOralTag = False, FoundVaginalTag = True, FoundEitherTag = False
[11/24/2025 - 08:18:20AM] CMkz Debug: Applying vaginal/front cum from actor [Actor < (00143AD9)>]

[MSM_Alice]

6 minutes ago, Mimirue17 said:

[11/24/2025 - 08:18:20AM] PVPK Debug: Animation had these tags: ["LOVE5", "LEITO", "", "PenisToVagina", "NOFURN", "Neutral", "F_M", "STIM7", "HELD1", "NULLTOSELF", "SF:A=F_LEITO_REVERSECARRY_S4:A=M_LEITO_REVERSECARRY_S4", "DOM-3", "CARRY", "FROMBEHIND"]
[11/24/2025 - 08:18:20AM] CMkz Debug: Animation had these tags: ["LOVE5", "LEITO", "", "PenisToVagina", "NOFURN", "Neutral", "F_M", "STIM7", "HELD1", "NULLTOSELF", "SF:A=F_LEITO_REVERSECARRY_S4:A=M_LEITO_REVERSECARRY_S4", "DOM-3", "CARRY", "FROMBEHIND"]
[11/24/2025 - 08:18:20AM] PVPK Debug: hasConsensualMeta: False, hasPlayerRapedMeta: False, hasPlayerRapistMeta: False
[11/24/2025 - 08:18:20AM] CMkz Debug: FoundAnalTag = False, FoundOralTag = False, FoundVaginalTag = True, FoundEitherTag = False
[11/24/2025 - 08:18:20AM] CMkz Debug: Applying vaginal/front cum from actor [Actor < (00143AD9)>]

So not only does not have the oral tag, but also does not have the anal tag.
Only has vaginal tag. 

Will dig in to see what happens there

[Mimirue17]

I am testing a an OCBPC preset, trying to get as bouncy as is possible without it going crazy out of AAF scenes.   Its a little extreme on higher bimbo levels due to the extreme breast sizes that happen.   I have had varying results based on the body preset.   If you would like to test it, let me know how it goes with your preset.   I was thinking of making a set of them that you could change to as you progress up bimbo levels, start kind of neutral and as you go more Bimbo mode get the bounce on.  Also let me know what bimbo level you were, I have tested it up to bimbo 3 but had only increased it through bimbo 2 (was in jail so could not go see Marina for the upgrades!)

 

AAF Medium and Bouncy.7z

 

oh load order should be:

Fusion Girl

OCBP FG

MTM 3B OCBP-OCBC

then this mod

Edited November 24, 2025 by Mimirue17

[Mimirue17]

14 minutes ago, MSM_Alice said:

So not only does not have the oral tag, but also does not have the anal tag.
Only has vaginal tag. 

Will dig in to see what happens there

this was one of the lines that happened, just know it was a scene either doggy or anal from behind

 

[MSM_Alice]

18 hours ago, Mimirue17 said:

this was one of the lines that happened, just know it was a scene either doggy or anal from behind

 

 

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Found the issue.

Fortunately, the system is okay, is just that for some reason ( probably because doing this at 1 AM)  I had accidentally added four "oral-specific" lines to a pool of lines that they shouldn't have been added to. 

Here is a corrected version that should self-correct ( even on a mid-playthrough upgrade).
No more oral lines on non-oral animations.

Not putting it on the main page yet as I want to see if I can get another thing done today, then i will update.
Let me know if you see any other oddities..

Edit : attachment deleted, proper update now on main page. 

 

Edited November 25, 2025 by MSM_Alice

[MSM_Alice]

Okay, this is the actual proper candidate for the first page. 
Mid-playthrough upgrade should be okay. 

Aside from the fix with the misplaced oral lines above, there's also

• Rejuvenation surgical interventions must now be done only with a wait timer between interventions for the same body part (settable in the MCM, default 72 in-game hours) 
• The rejuvenation surgical interventions menu now has a way to check status within that very sub-menu, before you actually select a rejuvenation intervention.
• Chest size adjustments and Butt size adjustments are not considered surgical interventions anymore, so they are not subject to the wait time. Let's say those are adjusted not via surgery, but using the power of the nanites.
• More tweaks and adjustments on QoH line deliveries.
• Playing some additional audio lines that QoH says specifically for players who install and use AAF animations with giant partners like Deathclaws or similar. 

Edit: deleted it,
0.8011 is now on the main page. 

 

Edited November 24, 2025 by MSM_Alice

[MSM_Alice]

I found out about Falltalk on Nexus Mods, with several voice generation engines. It  might be what I needed to take the comedic worldbuilding via dialogue a lot more seriously.
It can emphasise/stress certain words, change tone, have non-verbal interjections, I mean, take a listen...  Sturges is trying to  persuade Nora to visit Wedge...

Might be what's needed for the dialogue polish phase. 

 

Oh Sturges, you gon' done it now!

 

 

 

Nora

 

 

 

 

Edited November 26, 2025 by MSM_Alice

[Mimirue17]

3 minutes ago, MSM_Alice said:

I found out about Falltalk on Nexus Mods, with several voice generation engines. It  might be what I needed to take the comedic worldbuilding via dialogue a lot more seriously.
It can emphasise/stress certain words, change tone, have non-verbal interjections, I mean, take a listen...  Sturges is trying to  persuade Nora to visit Wedge...

Might be what's needed for the dialogue polish phase. 

 

Sturges

 

Nora

 

 

That is amazing quality right there!   Very exciting to see what comes of this.

[MSM_Alice]

Wave files seemed to have caused some browser instability. Edited the post above, replaced them with mp3 files instead. 
 

[MSM_Alice]

12 minutes ago, Mimirue17 said:

That is amazing quality right there!   Very exciting to see what comes of this.

It is a meticulous process, though; one can't just dump the text in an excel file and expect it to be correctly acted out o usable just like that. But certainly opens up proper polished dialogue avenue.

[MSM_Alice]

31 minutes ago, Mimirue17 said:

That is amazing quality right there!   Very exciting to see what comes of this.

Also, this is a bit pushed too hard on the anger aspect, but it has intensity and range of delivery. 

Not going to take it in that direction as just too traumatic, but I am impressed that it is possible at all.

 

Edited November 26, 2025 by MSM_Alice

[MSM_Alice]

New version for testing.  0.8020, mid-playthrough upgrade should be okay. 

Changelog

• Even More QoH voice lines have been added and activated.  The voice lines for enemy size reporting at the start and enemy toughness reporting at the start now have more variation, as they were a bit repetitive before. 
• The notification and QoH voice line of the act length being above the minimum length to convince the enemies that the player is no threat should no longer appear in scenarios where it makes no sense
  • - codsworth craving
  • - Prostitution or influence
  • - Bimbo Limbo
  • - Wedge filming set. 

Not putting it on the main page just yet, will wait for more features to add up.
Edit: deleted : see new  0.8021 a few posts down : https://www.loverslab.com/topic/245511-msma-sexfight-like-succubus-drain-and-bimbofication/page/87/#findComment-7184856

 

Edited November 27, 2025 by MSM_Alice

[Mimirue17]

3 hours ago, MSM_Alice said:

New version for testing.  0.8020, mid-playthrough upgrade should be okay. 

Changelog

• Even More QoH voice lines have been added and activated.  The voice lines for enemy size reporting at the start and enemy toughness reporting at the start now have more variation, as they were a bit repetitive before. 
• The notification and QoH voice line of the act length being above the minimum length to convince the enemies that the player is no threat should no longer appear in scenarios where it makes no sense
  • - codsworth craving
  • - Prostitution or influence
  • - Bimbo Limbo
  • - Wedge filming set. 

Not putting it on the main page just yet, will wait for more features to add up.

MSMA_v0_8020.zip 113.06 MB · 1 download

a good test for the new voice is that option at the start where you accuse Misty of killing your husband - that one is pretty bad

[MSM_Alice]

4 hours ago, Mimirue17 said:

a good test for the new voice is that option at the start where you accuse Misty of killing your husband - that one is pretty bad

Indeed.
If you don't have patience until the proper release, here is a zip file with just the three files,  first lines from that particular dialogue
The generated .lip files from falltalk seem to be already in sync, too, which is great. Don't have to run a separate "Runalip" process, saves time. 

MSMA_First_Convo_First_Line_Temp.zip

Edited November 27, 2025 by MSM_Alice

[Mimirue17]

3 hours ago, MSM_Alice said:

Indeed.
If you don't have patience until the proper release, here is a zip file with just the three files,  first lines from that particular dialogue
The generated .lip files from falltalk seem to be already in sync, too, which is great. Don't have to run a separate "Runalip" process, saves time. 

MSMA_First_Convo_First_Line_Temp.zip 121.46 kB · 1 download

Ya that's a pretty good improvement,  the lip sync is spot on for a Bethesda game

[MSM_Alice]

 

A few small bug fixes. 
Added the option to not be able to sleep unless arousal is brought below the threshold at which a bimbo would start to do silly actions.

This can be turned on and off in the MCM (separately from the threshold setting itself).
Still adding more things before posting it on the main page. 

 

 

Edit Aded 0.8030 0.8031
Due to demand on Discord, added support to granularly scale both the AP cost and pleasure of the custom Tentacle Race from Snapdragon's Animated Tentacles mod.  Third-party mod settings in the MCM menu.
The people using that mod, said the defaults for them as an unknown race ( but that can engage in group sex) apparently made them too strong, and they would force level-ups into bimbohood all the time.
Now they can be "gimped".

The Animated Tentacles mod needs to be installed at the start of the playthrough (or at the time of the upgrade to 0.8030 0.8031) for it to be taken into account.

MSMA_v0_8031.zip

Edited November 27, 2025 by MSM_Alice

[Mimirue17]

you may want to check out this mod, overall its kind of interesting to be able to be forced into different factions but I think the aspect that might interest you is the fact the mod can change your hairstyle and make your hair grow outside of your control (can be turned on and off)  Other factions will also change your hair as they assimilate you into their faction.   they can also drastically change your body - the SM turned my meek and sexy Bimbo into a she-hulk!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 27, 2025 by Mimirue17

[MSM_Alice]

Ok, I think this one might be good enough for the first page. Not putting it there until it has been tested some more, though.
Will leave it here

QoH reacts to the Hi Honey holotape, the first convo with Misty is now done with the new VoiceGen path, and a few other fixes. 

 

MSMA_v0_8041.zip

Edited November 27, 2025 by MSM_Alice