MSMA: SexFight (like "Succubus Drain") and Bimbofication

[dav42]

On 11/10/2025 at 7:35 PM, Mimirue17 said:

and of course the they are charging full price (or is that even higher then what it was!?) and it launched broken. 

 

If you have GOTY then you buy the Creations Bundle if you want the equivalent of Anniversary Edition.  This was posted on Collective Modding:

 

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[Mimirue17]

8 hours ago, dav42 said:

 

If you have GOTY then you buy the Creations Bundle if you want the equivalent of Anniversary Edition.  This was posted on Collective Modding:

 

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I am aware, I had the base game and season pass but not buying a broken product.  There is no hope for the next game not being hot garbage at this point....

[dav42]

2 hours ago, Mimirue17 said:

I am aware, I had the base game and season pass but not buying a broken product.  There is no hope for the next game not being hot garbage at this point....

 

Yeah, it sounds like there is good chance there will be another patch.  But it will probably be a while until F4SE plugins are updated, I'm just going to stick to old-gen executables and maybe stay with NG content, or I am going to patch back in the The Wanderer if I use the AE updated content.

 

Edited November 12, 2025 by dav42

[Mimirue17]

1 hour ago, dav42 said:

 

Yeah, it sounds like there is good chance there will be another patch.  But it will probably be a while until F4SE plugins are updated, I'm just going to stick to old-gen executables and maybe stay with NG content, or I am going to patch back in the The Wanderer if I use the AE updated content.

Ya there is a mod that transforms the files of NG stuff to work with OG so you can stay on 163 and never have to upgrade and still use newer mods ment for NG+

[judge007]

@MSM_Alice

 

In regards to the hyper-sexual "keywords" that you use for outfits, is this applied by script?

If yes, could you let me know which ones. I may try my hand at modifying it to pickup the 'alias' instead of the FormID (or both).

I have aligned the FormIDs with the NR .esp, so in theory my tweak should be picked by MSM-SexFight.

 

P.S. I'm sorely missing the twice daily updates, get back soon! 😁

 

[hiono]

would it be possible for this mod to know if you've gotten the cosmetic surgery from nuka ride? So the cravings menu has a better idea of the characters proportions if it wasn't done through the mod itself.

 

[Mimirue17]

On 11/12/2025 at 2:43 PM, dav42 said:

 

Yeah, it sounds like there is good chance there will be another patch.  But it will probably be a while until F4SE plugins are updated, I'm just going to stick to old-gen executables and maybe stay with NG content, or I am going to patch back in the The Wanderer if I use the AE updated content.

 

So what I did was uninstall (then delete the FO4 Folder), reinstall to AE (so the downgrader works properly) go into the new menu and download all the items I wanted (out of the 150 you now own - probably downloaded 10 of them - plus the free Beastmaster one that is not included, and purchased the Bounty Hunter) note: if you do not download them now you will have to do this again (I know cause I forgot.....they will not show up in the 163 creations menu) then use the downgrader - select to keep the creations, and downgrade the creation Kit.   Should work on fresh install (had errors on and upgrade) and when finished run the BA2 Plugin Patcher mod on the Data folder in the FO4 folder and you now have all the creations new and old that you want (feel free to delete ones that annoy you or move them out of the data folder).   Oh click to save the Depots if you have the room - makes repeating the downgrade into a 2 minute process.   JB copied the manual process if you want to go to 984 instead of 163 on the NR thread.

 

The Gun from the Bounty Hunter is probably worth it by itself - its pretty awesome.   I will try to get a FG and BT conversion of the outfit soon.

Edited November 15, 2025 by Mimirue17

[MSM_Alice]

Not too often do I make myself cry when doing this, but it wouldn't be self-discovery if this didn't happen every once in a while. 

 

1. Ashes of Me

 

2. Shadows in the Mirror

 

3. Ashes of Myself

 

 

 

And how back  to our regular scheduled cheezyness.

1. Plug them in - power ballad

 

2. Plug them in v2

 

 

Edited November 16, 2025 by MSM_Alice

[MSM_Alice]

On 11/14/2025 at 10:14 PM, judge007 said:

@MSM_Alice

 

In regards to the hyper-sexual "keywords" that you use for outfits, is this applied by script?

If yes, could you let me know which ones. I may try my hand at modifying it to pickup the 'alias' instead of the FormID (or both).

I have aligned the FormIDs with the NR .esp, so in theory my tweak should be picked by MSM-SexFight.

 

P.S. I'm sorely missing the twice daily updates, get back soon! 😁

 

Yes, I apply an armor mod that has the needed MSMA specific keywords to the item instance.
Separately from that, I checked for NR NR-specific outfit keywords so those can be activated too.
Well, in theory, if in your custom private setup you name your stripped down ESP like the NukaRideESP, I think it should probably work already.

 

I will be back, and while there will be some bursts of development,  due to work obligations I don't think I can get back to the intensity of updates I had over the summer until feb 2026 
 

[MSM_Alice]

18 hours ago, hiono said:

would it be possible for this mod to know if you've gotten the cosmetic surgery from nuka ride? So the cravings menu has a better idea of the characters proportions if it wasn't done through the mod itself.

 

Hello. I'll think about how to do that. It does not happen right now, but I will think about some custom checks.

[MSM_Alice]

On 11/12/2025 at 10:59 PM, Mimirue17 said:

I am aware, I had the base game and season pass but not buying a broken product.  There is no hope for the next game not being hot garbage at this point....

Don't squish my dreams . I am really hoping for Tes VI to be as great as Skyrim

[Mimirue17]

2 hours ago, MSM_Alice said:

Not too often do I make myself cry when doing this, but it wouldn't be self-discovery if this didn't happen every once in a while. 

 

1. Ashes of Me

 

 

2. Shadows in the Mirror

 

 

3. Ashes of Myself

 

 

 

 

And how back  to our regular scheduled cheezyness.

1. Plug them in - power ballad

 

 

2. Plug them in v2

 

 

 

Damn, this music just keeps getting better and better every time you come up with a new batch.   Ashes of Me is a powerful song.   Those Top three are all great in fact, and nothing wrong with the cheezyness  

Edited November 16, 2025 by Mimirue17

[hiono]

7 hours ago, MSM_Alice said:

Hello. I'll think about how to do that. It does not happen right now, but I will think about some custom checks.

thanks for considering. It could even be something like an mcm option stating that you've gotten it that way you wouldn't even have to check nuka ride yourself.

[MSM_Alice]

More bimbo musical cheese  

1.Brain On Fire

 

Edited November 22, 2025 by MSM_Alice

[MSM_Alice]

New test version, with a LOT more QOH lines that she can say during sex if the " during sex" banter is active. 
Different lines for consensual sex climaxes, vs non-consensual, and different lines when mindbroken or not.
Different lines for gangbang sex, or normal one-on-one sex. ( Vaginal, Oral, or anal)

It might be worth increasing the chance for her to say these lines now, since they are a bit more varied. 

Also corrected a bunch of the conditions for the line activations  (some of them weren't quite correct).
Also correctly identified " first supermutant"  scene ( and that line should not repeat after).


I did all I could for it to work as a mid-playthrough upgrade ( but as usual, a new game is best) 

 

 

 

Edited February 19 by MSM_Alice

[judge007]

59 minutes ago, MSM_Alice said:

New test version, with a LOT more QOH lines that she can say during sex if the " during sex" banter is active. 
Different lines for consensual sex climaxes, vs non-consensual, and different lines when mindbroken or not.
Different lines for gangbang sex, or normal one-on-one sex. ( Vaginal, Oral, or anal)

It might be worth increasing the chance for her to say these lines now, since they are a bit more varied. 

Also corrected a bunch of the conditions for the line activations  (some of them weren't quite correct).
Also correctly identified " first supermutant"  scene ( and that line should not repeat after).


I did all I could for it to work as a mid-playthrough upgrade ( but as usual, a new game is best) 

 

 

MSMA_v0_7960.zip 85.15 MB · 1 download

Now this is the update I was waiting for!

 

Edit: I forgot to mention, Your mod comes as loose files, I typically add the 200 music files to it, and archive the mod.

Up until the last 4 or 5 updates, this worked well. Since then however all sorts of glitchy errors would crop up.

Best stick to loose files.

Edited November 18, 2025 by judge007

[Mimirue17]

1 hour ago, MSM_Alice said:

New test version, with a LOT more QOH lines that she can say during sex if the " during sex" banter is active. 
Different lines for consensual sex climaxes, vs non-consensual, and different lines when mindbroken or not.
Different lines for gangbang sex, or normal one-on-one sex. ( Vaginal, Oral, or anal)

It might be worth increasing the chance for her to say these lines now, since they are a bit more varied. 

Also corrected a bunch of the conditions for the line activations  (some of them weren't quite correct).
Also correctly identified " first supermutant"  scene ( and that line should not repeat after).


I did all I could for it to work as a mid-playthrough upgrade ( but as usual, a new game is best) 

 

 

MSMA_v0_7960.zip 85.15 MB · 1 download

I have been testing the Pervert Mod out a bit, and you end up in mind broken situations alot with endless sex at times (had it set to very high levels for testing) so found a bunch of the lines I had no idea were there.    Look forward to finding all the new ones!   The old MB line (before this one) about shafts using your throat to come is a good one - could use about 2 seconds longer to finish what she is saying.

[MSM_Alice]

7 hours ago, judge007 said:

Now this is the update I was waiting for!

 

Edit: I forgot to mention, Your mod comes as loose files, I typically add the 200 music files to it, and archive the mod.

Up until the last 4 or 5 updates, this worked well. Since then however all sorts of glitchy errors would crop up.

Best stick to loose files.

Thank you. 

There are a bunch more events that I want to add QOH audio support/lines to, like being awarded a bimbo point, getting paid in prostitution,  and so on.

Right now, each pool of lines, used for each defined event.  uses random to pick one of the legitimate lines from the pool of lines compatible with that event,  but does not have an "anti-accidental-repeat" system, like the craving music does, where the pool of available choices needs to be fully exhausted before the items on the list can repeat.   So maybe I need to add that anti accidental repetition system in there, too.


Initially, I thought I'd have her comment on sexfight outcomes too, and bimbo infiltration,  but the lore is that QOH, at least apparently, works for the entities who would rather see you more bimbofied each day,  and does not want the player to subvert/use the implant as a weapon, and use the SexFight powers more.
So, not sure if she should comment on enemies getting "cooked" and whatnot or on Bimbo infiltration events. Will see.  Also, having too much to say, t might overcrowd the audio space if there are too many things going on during the sex scene.  Sexfight is something that Marina enables for the player when she teaches you how to "subvert" the implant for your own goals.  Marina and QoH should be at odds here, their goals diverge.


On the archive/loose file aspect: 
You mean you would package them as a BA2 archive or something else?
OR just a larger zip file?
Do you know exactly when it broke down? Maybe I can figure out what the change was that could be problematic?
I tried to do a BA2 packaged data version back in July or so, but it didn't work for me on the first attempt for some reason, so I deferred it to figure it out later. 

Edited November 18, 2025 by MSM_Alice

[MSM_Alice]

4 hours ago, Mimirue17 said:

I have been testing the Pervert Mod out a bit, and you end up in mind broken situations alot with endless sex at times (had it set to very high levels for testing) so found a bunch of the lines I had no idea were there.    Look forward to finding all the new ones!   The old MB line (before this one) about shafts using your throat to come is a good one - could use about 2 seconds longer to finish what she is saying.

Thank you for testing!
Do you have the exact line? So I can increase its wait time on screen? 
I looked at three that I thought might be it, but they seem correctly set. I need to pinpoint the exact line that gets cut off on the latest iteration.. 

[judge007]

1 hour ago, MSM_Alice said:

Thank you. 

There are a bunch more events that I want to add QOH audio support/lines to, like being awarded a bimbo point, getting paid in prostitution,  and so on.

Right now, each pool of lines, used for each defined event.  uses random to pick one of the legitimate lines from the pool of lines compatible with that event,  but does not have an "anti-accidental-repeat" system, like the craving music does, where the pool of available choices needs to be fully exhausted before the items on the list can repeat.   So maybe I need to add that anti accidental repetition system in there, too.


Initially, I thought I'd have her comment on sexfight outcomes too, and bimbo infiltration,  but the lore is that QOH, at least apparently, works for the entities who would rather see you more bimbofied each day,  and does not want the player to subvert/use the implant as a weapon, and use the SexFight powers more.
So, not sure if she should comment on enemies getting "cooked" and whatnot or on Bimbo infiltration events. Will see.  Also, having too much to say, t might overcrowd the audio space if there are too many things going on during the sex scene.  Sexfight is something that Marina enables for the player when she teaches you how to "subvert" the implant for your own goals.  Marina and WoH should be at odds here.


On the archive/loose file aspect: 
You mean you would package them as a BA2 archive or something else?
OR just a larger zip file?
Do you know exactly when it broke down? Maybe I can figure out what the change was that could be problematic?
I tried to do a BA2 packaged data version back in July or so, but it didn't work for me on the first attempt for some reason, so I deferred it to figure it out later. 

It's probably the way I package the archive. With larger mod count, the number of archives increases so I package everything into one archive.(meshes, scripts, textures)

Cuts down on archive total, but not all mods behave properly. Yours causes crashes with errors from missing Sexfight scripts.

Again, just reporting it, it runs just fine as loose files.

[Mimirue17]

2 hours ago, MSM_Alice said:

Thank you for testing!
Do you have the exact line? So I can increase its wait time on screen? 
I looked at three that I thought might be it, but they seem correctly set. I need to pinpoint the exact line that gets cut off on the latest iteration.. 

hmm, I do not know how to look at the lines.   I tried FO4Edit but didn't see a way to look at it.   Creation Kit?   I just remember it was while Mind Broken - Oral scene - and something about having your throat used (not the automatically swallow one - that is much shorter).   It cut off during the last word I think.   I know you mentioned each machine has different timings based on either fps or hardware speed or something similar.   I am sure I will get back to that state on this play through - and if I get MB again I will force oral scenes until it happens!

Edited November 18, 2025 by Mimirue17

[MSM_Alice]

15 minutes ago, Mimirue17 said:

hmm, I do not know how to look at the lines.   I tried FO4Edit but didn't see a way to look at it.   Creation Kit?   I just remember it was while Mind Broken - Oral scene - and something about having your throat used (not the automatically swallow one - that is much shorter).   It cut off during the last word I think.   I know you mentioned each machine has different timings based on either fps or hardware speed or something similar.   I am sure I will get back to that state on this play through - and if I get MB again I will force oral scenes until it happens!

The different timings should have been sorted out quite a few versions ago, when I moved the timers from game time to real time. The problem is that the timing for that one is probably set wrong in the script.
I am sure they can be seen in F04Edit too, I just am not experienced with that tool enough to tell you precisely where.

In the creation kit, go to the MSMA_QOH_Manager quest, then in the tab for  "Player Dialogue" 

Give me the number in the "Conditions" section. (you might have to resize the column width  a bit, as it is further to the right)

Since this is an older line not a recent addition, it is probably in the upper half somewhere.

Edited November 18, 2025 by MSM_Alice

[MSM_Alice]

I spent a bunch of time today trying to figure out, with the help of ChatGPT, the scripting system in F04 edit, but I finally have two essential scripts

1. One can take a CSV file with hundreds or thousands of spoken lines (text),  and mass add them as correct Info records nested in a topic/DIAL record in the ESP, complete with play conditions so that a certain line only plays when a certain global index variable has a certain value.
This is done without the painfully slow and error-prone one-by-one manual editing that I had to do before, which took a myriad clicks.


2. The other can take the ESP from step 1  and create a correspondence between the unique index value of every line ( the value in that global variable), and the unique voice wave file filenames, auto-generated by default by the CK for each of the info records, (so all the wavefiles can be auto-named correctly, without manually navigating to the topic response window hundreds of times like a maniac to copy-paste the wavefile name generated by the CK there).

QOH only has 350 audio lines now (well, not all are in the build yet, but on my modding machine), but doing it al manually was painful and slow; it wasn't a quick scalable system to get to 1000  or 2000 audio lines or more, which is what is going to be needed for QoH's to banter feel more alive and varried. 

Edited November 18, 2025 by MSM_Alice

[Mimirue17]

ok I was able to get screenshots of all the [Q] lines from the creation kit and can find them easier as it happens.  There was one line that used Incredible that got cut off, now just can't remember which one it was.... It is nice you can find them from just searching the details button on the load file page without having to go all the way in - unless that calls up the wrong things of course.....but its a lot of lines I have not heard yet.   Think they are right after the prostitution lines.

 

if these look right - its just one of the pages of [Q] lines

[judge007]

On 11/15/2025 at 4:40 PM, MSM_Alice said:

Yes, I apply an armor mod that has the needed MSMA specific keywords to the item instance.
Separately from that, I checked for NR NR-specific outfit keywords so those can be activated too.
Well, in theory, if in your custom private setup you name your stripped down ESP like the NukaRideESP, I think it should probably work already.

 

I will be back, and while there will be some bursts of development,  due to work obligations I don't think I can get back to the intensity of updates I had over the summer until feb 2026 
 

Just to let you know, the hyper sexual effects/keywords found the outfits in my patch with no noticeable problems.