MSMA: SexFight (like "Succubus Drain") and Bimbofication

[JonathanDoering]

1 minute ago, MSM_Alice said:

Okay, so it didn;t get to any log-able events; the error is upstream of that. 

Can you also grab a screenshot of the selection menu?

So with joy it works fine, menu is there, anim works and so on. With other ones menu just reopens itself and that's all.

[JonathanDoering]

9 minutes ago, MSM_Alice said:

Is your character wearing a vaginal plug? 
If yes, can you try removing it?

Character is fully nude except piercings. I stashed all clothing items from inventory to a container, so the character had noothing on and nothing in inventory and tried using those 3 dildos again, and still nothing.

Edited May 19 by JonathanDoering

[MSM_Alice]

44 minutes ago, JonathanDoering said:

Character is fully nude except piercings.

The only logical explanation there is that the Vaginal Plug keyword is somehow on one of your equipped items.
I'll add some debug functions for it (and maybe more verbose error messages). 

PlayerRef.WornHasKeyword(DD_kw_ItemType_PlugVaginal) likely returns true. 
That is the only path i can see where the function returns without an error message ( for chastity belt or restraining suits there are messages on early test,  just not for DD plugs, dd plugs only have message on late tests) 

 

Edited May 19 by MSM_Alice

[MSM_Alice]

12 minutes ago, JonathanDoering said:

Character is fully nude except piercings. I stashed all clothing items from inventory to a container, so the character had noothing on and nothing in inventory and tried using those 3 dildos again, and still nothing.

Can you try going to Marina and ask her to remove any DD items and see if it does not self-correct ?. 
Maybe you have an erroneous invisible plug. 

 

Maybe I'll add a "DildoFriends usage ignores restraining items status" option , just to have a failsafe if those get stuck on the player forever.

Edited May 19 by MSM_Alice

[JonathanDoering]

She told me that there were no restraints on me, and still nothing. I once had a bug with auto returning \ auto equpping of one the restraint item, but that was due to a setting that reequiped nails, and that was fixed after I changed that setting and loaded the save before that bug happend. Maybe has something to do with it...

Edited May 19 by JonathanDoering

[MSM_Alice]

1 minute ago, JonathanDoering said:

She told that there were no devices on me, and still nothing.

 

Hmmm.... are you using only DD and KFT plugs, or also plugs of the commonwealth?

[JonathanDoering]

DD, KFT and plugs of the commonwealth (slot 57).

Edited May 19 by JonathanDoering

[MSM_Alice]

18 minutes ago, JonathanDoering said:

She told me that there were no restraints on me, and still nothing. I once had a bug with auto returning \ auto equpping of one the restraint item, but that was due to a setting that reequiped nails, and that was fixed after I changed that setting and loaded the save before that bug happend. Maybe has something to do with it...

Could be that the bug had already happened, and the save reloaded was not really from before. 

I am looking at the script and the only plausible path I see for that silent close to happen if the PlayerRef.WornHasKeyword(DD_kw_ItemType_PlugVaginal) returns true. Joy is the only one who tests early for an anal plug, not vaginal; the other three test early for vaginal. There's plenty of contextual indicators that point to that as the plausible cause.


At any rate, the next version will have more bespoke error messages, and I'll add a " ignore restrained status" debug option, so go around DD items that get stuck.

I am not a betting person, but if I were, I would bet there is some form of invisible plug or its residual effects, that got stuck in some non-standard equipment slot. Specifically, one of the DD vaginal plugs has effects/scripts attached that prevent normal unequipping, beyond just visual.  The usual suspects are the inflatable ones.
The visual part got somehow removed, but the "logical" part is still on.
Equipping an identical one and unequipping it graciously might be the proper way to reset that.

Edited May 19 by MSM_Alice

[JonathanDoering]

On 5/19/2026 at 2:50 PM, MSM_Alice said:

Could be that the bug had already happened, and the save reloaded was not really from before. 

I am looking at the script and the only plausible path I see for that silent close to happen if the PlayerRef.WornHasKeyword(DD_kw_ItemType_PlugVaginal) returns true

At any rate, the next version will have more bespoke error messages, and I'll add a " ignore restrained status" debug option, so go around DD items that get stuck.

I am not a betting person, but if I were, I would bet there is some form of invisible plug or its residual effects, that got stuck in some non-standard equipment slot. Specifically, one of the DD vaginal plugs has effects/scripts attached that prevent normal unequipping, beyond just visual.  The usual suspects are the inflatable ones.
The visual part got somehow removed, but the "logical" part is still on.

Yeah... that seems reasonable. If I understand correctly, there are 2 vag dildo and 2 anal. but only 1 / 4 works fine now when at least 3 / 4 of them worked before. That's strange to me. Nonetheless i'm looking forward for the new update. The mod is great, thx.

Idk why I didn't do it earlier but the fix was quite easy. It was an invisible vaginal plug 'Inflatable Vibrator'. So I fixed it by using 'unequipall' command.

Edited May 20 by JonathanDoering

[MSM_Alice]

10 minutes ago, JonathanDoering said:

Yeah... that seems reasonable. If I understand correctly, there are 2 vag dildo and 2 anal. but only 1 / 4 works fine now when at least 3 / 4 of them worked before. That's strange to me. Nonetheless i'm looking forward for the new update. The mod is great, thx.

Indeed, 2 anal and two vaginal,  but  by mistake Zen was early testing still for vaginal plug  not for anal (as it should have had, that was an error on my part) 
However, this mistake narrowed down the search now since that was the condition that affected those three; it was easy to single out.

Also, that early testing should be nixed anyway now , after the V-Card/ V-Cardprotection system was introduced, and all 4 are " multirole" , they all have "vaginal/anal" toggle backups. It is no longer 2 anal 2 vaginal. Any of them 4 can be either/or.

Since they have back-ups, that means testing for incompatible plugs should only be done "late" after that vaginal/anal choice was made. 
And the late testing (when it will get there) has individual/bespoke error pop-up messages)  it is not a silent return.
 

Edited May 19 by MSM_Alice

[Chubrikone]

I like the idea behind the save flow system, but Fallout being what it is it could be frustrating... I wanted to try it a while back, and then I had a crash or game freeze, don't remember now, so when I loaded the last save, it was before my last bimbo level up I was sent  straight to the tribunal, for trying to skip the said leveling up and they helped me level up on the spot. I remember turning the feature off and I never get to try it again... 

[MSM_Alice]

I'm complicating my life so much with Viggo's private life optional quest, but I think it will be worth it as it will feel... more complex, and a bit more real as a NPC.

Goes like this

Normally, Viggo, to complete the settlement missions that Preston saddles you with, demands those random trinkets that the player can only find on defeated SexFight enemies, (they are needed as payment for Viggo to do the missions for the settlements).
No trinket, no mission.
Also Viggo only appears when there is a settlement mission to be completed. 
 

However after this next update this would change as follows: 

If the player, when not having trinkets, visits Viggo  insists on asking what other "payments" are possible, aside the trinkets, Viggo would eventually cave in and confide that he has some .. private issues that a bimbo player might be able to help him with (that would mean spicy AAF animations ).
This will not be super advertised in the game, it is a bit of a secret find... to some extent. 
 

This opens up engaging in some form of repeated sexual "training" with Viggo, to help him reign in his more animalistic supermutant nature that unfortunately takes over during sex. 
And normal humans usually get maimed or killed because of his extreme strength and size,  so he can't do this training with a normal human.
But an " immortal" bimbo drone  (he knows you are that from the episode with Misty's broken pad)  is someone who can actually help, without putting their life at risk and him feeling guilty about traumatizing or killing someone with.... less resilience.

However, still he does not want to be the main agent of your corruption, so he asks you first to prove you're already pretty depraved by doing some things, without him promising anything in return.  If you do them with no guaranteed rewards,  he can tell you were already depreaved,  and his training can proceed. 

If not, you need to keep doing things via the trinkets you find.  (This whole Viggo trainig sub-quest is optional)

There are three different paths there, some more depraved, some less so; any of the three will unlock the start of his training.
Each training session progresses his training (more or less, depending on how well the sexfight went).  For bad results, probably 20 scenes until 100% training will be needed. 
For excellent results, probably 4 scenes gets one to 100% training.
Each training session can also count as you providing one payment for a settlement mission.   Those can be done right away, or, if no settlement missions are needed right there,  also stored for later as " I Owe you"s, favours that Viggo owes you for later. 
Then, again, optionally, after the training is at 100, there is one training test validation, which has to be done in a threesome. 
The validation threesome can be more accessible but more perverted (Viggo plusplayer plus one on his hounds if the toggle for the more animalistic apptoroach is on the settings),   or  less perverted Viggo plus Player plus another friendly supermutant  (can be Strong , or any other friendly supermutant that you can get to follow you to Viggo.... probably can even be a supermutant enslaved via JustBusiness/HumanResources) 
 

If you do all these optional steps, then Viggo is certified "Housebroken", he can now be gentle enough to be in a relationship with a human. 

In parallel (this is for a later update) you can try to suggest  to Marina, who (I hope anyone can tell) has a bit of a supermutant fetish)  to take the now "housebroken" Viggo on a date, and those two can actually be happy as a couple.  
Be careless enough to suggest that date Marina before Viggo is totally trained/housebroken (or not housebroken at all), and the outcome for poor Marina won't be as happy.  Maybe even dramatic, traumatizing Marina forever.   You'd be short-sighted or a bad friend to do that to her, but still the mod will allow it to happen if the player does not think it through before opening their mouth.

But there are so many scenes and dialogue variants ( having to account that Viggo knows what happened with Wedge and Fido, .. that is  if anything did happen with Wedge and Fido)  and flags and variables, it makes my head hurt  :).

Edited May 20 by MSM_Alice

[Mimirue17]

2 hours ago, MSM_Alice said:

I'm complicating my life so much with Viggo's private life optional quest, but I think it will be worth it as it will feel... more complex, and a bit more real as a NPC.

Goes like this

Normally, Viggo, to complete the settlement missions that Preston saddles you with, demands those random trinkets that the player can only find on defeated SexFight enemies, (they are needed as payment for Viggo to do the missions for the settlements).
No trinket, no mission.
Also Viggo only appears when there is a settlement mission to be completed. 
 

However after this next update this would change as follows: 

If the player, when not having trinkets, visits Viggo  insists on asking what other "payments" are possible, aside the trinkets, Viggo would eventually cave in and confide that he has some .. private issues that a bimbo player might be able to help him with (that would mean spicy AAF animations ).
This will not be super advertised in the game, it is a bit of a secret find... to some extent. 
 

This opens up engaging in some form of repeated sexual "training" with Viggo, to help him reign in his more animalistic supermutant nature that unfortunately takes over during sex. 
And normal humans usually get maimed or killed because of his extreme strength and size,  so he can't do this training with a normal human.
But an " immortal" bimbo drone  (he knows you are that from the episode with Misty's broken pad)  is someone who can actually help, without putting their life at risk and him feeling guilty about traumatizing or killing someone with.... less resilience.

However, still he does not want to be the main agent of your corruption, so he asks you first to prove you're already pretty depraved by doing some things, without him promising anything in return.  If you do them with no guaranteed rewards,  he can tell you were already depreaved,  and his training can proceed. 

If not, you need to keep doing things via the trinkets you find.  (This whole Viggo trainig sub-quest is optional)

There are three different paths there, some more depraved, some less so; any of the three will unlock the start of his training.
Each training session progresses his training (more or less, depending on how well the sexfight went).  For bad results, probably 20 scenes until 100% training will be needed. 
For excellent results, probably 4 scenes gets one to 100% training.
Each training session can also count as you providing one payment for a settlement mission.   Those can be done right away, or, if no settlement missions are needed right there,  also stored for later as " I Owe you"s, favours that Viggo owes you for later. 
Then, again, optionally, after the training is at 100, there is one training test validation, which has to be done in a threesome. 
The validation threesome can be more accessible but more perverted (Viggo plusplayer plus one on his hounds if the toggle for the more animalistic apptoroach is on the settings),   or  less perverted Viggo plus Player plus another friendly supermutant  (can be Strong , or any other friendly supermutant that you can get to follow you to Viggo.... probably can even be a supermutant enslaved via JustBusiness/HumanResources) 
 

If you do all these optional steps, then Viggo is certified "Housebroken", he can now be gentle enough to be in a relationship with a human. 

In parallel (this is for a later update) you can try to suggest  to Marina, who (I hope anyone can tell) has a bit of a supermutant fetish)  to take the now "housebroken" Viggo on a date, and those two can actually be happy as a couple.  
Be careless enough to suggest that date Marina before Viggo is totally trained/housebroken (or not housebroken at all), and the outcome for poor Marina won't be as happy.  Maybe even dramatic, traumatizing Marina forever.   You'd be short-sighted or a bad friend to do that to her, but still the mod will allow it to happen if the player does not think it through before opening their mouth.

But there are so many scenes and dialogue variants ( having to account that Viggo knows what happened with Wedge and Fido, .. that is  if anything did happen with Wedge and Fido)  and flags and variables, it makes my head hurt  :).

Can not wait for this feature!  Viggo seems like a very nice character for a SM and Marina is not the only one with a SM fetish, was even added during character creation (I blame misty or the QoH for it!)

He will be a great allie when the time comes to retake the factory.

[MSM_Alice]

3 hours ago, Mimirue17 said:

Can not wait for this feature!  Viggo seems like a very nice character for a SM and Marina is not the only one with a SM fetish, was even added during character creation (I blame misty or the QoH for it!)

He will be a great allie when the time comes to retake the factory.

Also there can always be surprises / Things won't always go as planned
(this is just a quick test, I was using Strong, not Viggo, but still funny

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OLXVou6vp3VLAMeS1zF4McwoJLvA72Ey/view?usp=sharing

[Mimirue17]

59 minutes ago, MSM_Alice said:

Also there can always be surprises / Things won't always go as planned
(this is just a quick test, I was using Strong, not Viggo, but still funny

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OLXVou6vp3VLAMeS1zF4McwoJLvA72Ey/view?usp=sharing

OMG that is is hilarious!  Does his animation pack actually have those voice files?

[MSM_Alice]

23 minutes ago, Mimirue17 said:

OMG that is is hilarious!  Does his animation pack actually have those voice files?

No, nothing similar.
I added the voices.
They are tied to the challenge system.

Couldn't have the same voices /SFX for the challenge system, now  when the player is top and SM is bottom, 
Some new ones were needed

Edited May 20 by MSM_Alice

[MSM_Alice]

Also lots of cutscenes, lots of dialogue. That's why it goes slowly.
Also, I want it to be with a fair amount of acting/intonation, line by line so no batch generation.

Edited May 20 by MSM_Alice

[MSM_Alice]

54 minutes ago, Mimirue17 said:

OMG that is is hilarious!  Does his animation pack actually have those voice files?

Pretty happy with how the voices turn out with falltalk.

 

 

 

[Mimirue17]

2 minutes ago, MSM_Alice said:

Pretty happy with how the voices turn out with falltalk.

 

 

 

That is wonderful, and sounds really good voice wise.

[housewalker123]

incredible mod. just one issue, and i dont know if its related to the mod. my character doesnt talk after the first death scene, not just on the mod, but all vanilla dialogue as well

[MSM_Alice]

3 hours ago, housewalker123 said:

incredible mod. just one issue, and i dont know if its related to the mod. my character doesnt talk after the first death scene, not just on the mod, but all vanilla dialogue as well

Thank you!

That might happen if there is a quest with an empty topic that has a higher priority than anything else, but I haven't had that happen in more than a year. 

You mean after the first visit to bimbo limbo?
And as long as you don't go to bimbo limbo, all is good, but after one visit to bimbo limbo it is permanently stuck?

Is it a "once" thing, or it is 100% replicable?
 

 

Can you provide a video with the sequence of events or a payrus log?

What version of the mod are you on?
Was it a clean new game, or an upgrade from an older version?

Edited May 21 by MSM_Alice

[bradster511]

i hope that we get more story content soon(I would love to have nick valentine have relations with my bimbo)

[MSM_Alice]

4 hours ago, bradster511 said:

i hope that we get more story content soon(I would love to have nick valentine have relations with my bimbo)

There is a fair chunk of story in the Viggo activity expansion.  Maybe I can get it functional enough to upload a first version  in ~ 6 hours or so. 

[MSM_Alice]

My brain was refusing to write any more Papyrus scripts scripts, so I took a break to write some lyrics, and put them on music.
I'm back on my Cumbia/Reggae/TRip hop + dubstep , pshychedelic shenanigans
As undecisive as ever about. which melody supports the lyrics best


My Only real Friend v1 

My Only real Friend v2  ( I think this one might be" it")

 

My Only real Friend v4

And 

Queen Of Hearts v1
 

 

Queen Of Hearts v2 ( I am partial to this one)   ( yes that is a Bladerunner reference/ tribute in the lyrics :D) 

 

Queen Of Hearts v3 ( a better stylistical fit with the F4 universe) 

 

Queen Of Hearts v4 (really torn between this and v2)

 

And if you want to know the lyrics for Queen of hearts and why it is so long,

 

They put a star in my skull
Cold as a vault door seal
Now I wake up different
With a grin that doesn’t feel
 

Something in the dark says
“Darling, why be plain?”
My proper thoughts go missing
Like tears in the rain
 

Marina reads the tremor
Marks it in her book
She says, “Hold to your name now”
While I'm turning a look.


I hold on to my name
I try to keep it clean
But the mirror splits in two
And the other one looks  mean




She wears my face like silk
She wears my pulse like gold
She leans in close and laughs
Where my steady heart should hold

I hear her breathing, velvet
In the static of my mind
And every little weakness
Turns to glitter when she smiles



Queen of Hearts, don’t call me
Queen of Hearts, I fall
Queen of Hearts, you know me
You know where I’ll crawl

I was one, now I’m two
I was steel, now I’m flame
Queen of Hearts, you don’t own me
I'm not playing your game


Queen of Hearts
I can feel you when I sway
Queen of Hearts
I'm not here to just obey.





Everyone else is hungry
For the warmth growing within
They hear the change and circle
Hungry wolves that smell the sin


One man reached for my shadow
One voice said, “Come and play”
Like my sex was a doorway
And my body was the way


Marina pulled me back once
Through the smoke and afterglow
She said those eyes aren’t yours, kid
They only want the show


But the lady in my marrow
Keeps reciting what I lack
“Why be soft, why be proper?"
She keeps pulling me back..




Her hands are made of moonlight
Her kiss is made of glass
She turns my fear to blushes
And my yes into a mask

I taste the lie like sugar
On the rim of every thought
And the more I try to fight her
The more tightly I am caught



Queen of Hearts, don’t call me
Queen of Hearts, I fall
Queen of Hearts, you know me
You know where I’ll crawl

I was one, now I’m two
I was steel, now I’m flame
Queen of Hearts, don’t own me
I'm not playing your game


Queen of Hearts
I can feel you when I  sway
Queen of Hearts
I'm not here to just obey.




Marina, if you’re listening
I’m still buried in here
Under silk and screaming
Under craving and fear

If you find the seam, just cut it
If you find my thread, hold fast
I’m  trapped in a broken mirror
Don't know how long I can last ( alt: playing with the wrong cast) 



Queen of Hearts, don’t call me
Queen of Hearts, I fall
Queen of Hearts, you know me
You know where I’ll crawl

I was one, now I’m two
I was steel, now I’m flame
Queen of Hearts, you don’t own me
Please stop calling my name
 

Queen of Hearts...
Queen of Hearts...
Marina, keep me sane

 

 

 

This should act a bit as aheads-up of why is it maybe not a good ideea to allow Marina to get corrupted in the viggo+marina questline 

 

Edited May 22 by MSM_Alice

[judge007]

12 minutes ago, MSM_Alice said:

My brain was refusing to write any more scritps, so i took a break to write some lyrics, and pute them on music.
I'm back on my Cumbia/Reggae/TRip hop + dubstep , pshychedelic shenanigans
As undecisive as ever about. which melody supports the lyrics best


My Only real Friend v1 

 

My Only real Friend v2

 

 

My Only real Friend v4

 

And 

Queen Of Hearts v1 ( yes that is a Bladerunner reference/ tribute in the lyrics :D) 
 

 

 

Queen Of Hearts v2

 

 

Queen Of Hearts v3

 

 

Queen Of Hearts v4

 

 

 

From the looks of it, you have amassed enough songs for a second music archive download.