MSMA: SexFight (like "Succubus Drain") and Bimbofication

[MSM_Alice]

14 minutes ago, hiono said:

i just tried 702 and same thing happens. maybe the problem is on my end

There's a reason why I don't turn that feature on by default
It introduces many wildcards

[MSM_Alice]

20 minutes ago, yololofang said:

Sorry for wasting your time. I made a really stupid mistake; I didn't turn on the background music. Everything is fine now. Thank you for the music and the mod you created.😭

No worries,
I suspected something trivial and external like that might be the case.
Glad to hear it was sorted out.
 

Edited May 14 by MSM_Alice

[judge007]

@MSM_Alice The issue with the Bimbo animations triggering AAF animation, is an odd interaction between NukaRide, MSMA and Provocative Perks .

Not accepting the perk that deals with traders somehow fixes it. Toning down the Sex Attributes Arousal settings also diminishes the quantity.

 

Just a heads-up.

[MSM_Alice]

19 minutes ago, judge007 said:

@MSM_Alice The issue with the Bimbo animations triggering AAF animation, is an odd interaction between NukaRide, MSMA and Provocative Perks .

Not accepting the perk that deals with traders somehow fixes it. Toning down the Sex Attributes Arousal settings also diminishes the quantity.

 

Just a heads-up.

Ok, now I understand a bit more. 

Do you have an insight into what the causality chain is there?
.Maybe I can put some " doorstop" 

[judge007]

16 minutes ago, MSM_Alice said:

Ok, now I understand a bit more. 

Do you have an insight into what the causality chain is there?
.Maybe I can put some " doorstop" 

Well I'm sorry to say, I arrived at that conclusion on guesswork only.

Sex Attributes provides the fuel and is manditory.

MSMA Sexfight provides the Bimbo animations, with theoretically not causing an AAF animation. Can't be disabled without complete mod removal.

Nuka Ride also provides the Bimbo animations, also not theoretically triggering AAF animations.  Again, can't be disabled without complete mod removal.

Hardship doesn't appear to have any Bimbo attachment. Harrassment also does not.

Provocative Perks does have attachment to Bimbo animations, and two of the perks utilized them.

 

By trial and error, I've narrowed it down to the perk that affects traders.

It could be something else that has been removed from the chain by not using that perk.

 

Just my $0.02  

[MSM_Alice]

49 minutes ago, judge007 said:

Well I'm sorry to say, I arrived at that conclusion on guesswork only.

Sex Attributes provides the fuel and is manditory.

MSMA Sexfight provides the Bimbo animations, with theoretically not causing an AAF animation. Can't be disabled without complete mod removal.

Nuka Ride also provides the Bimbo animations, also not theoretically triggering AAF animations.  Again, can't be disabled without complete mod removal.

Hardship doesn't appear to have any Bimbo attachment. Harrassment also does not.

Provocative Perks does have attachment to Bimbo animations, and two of the perks utilized them.

 

By trial and error, I've narrowed it down to the perk that affects traders.

It could be something else that has been removed from the chain by not using that perk.

 

Just my $0.02  

 

are youreferring to 
 

Shameless Flirt

You can't help being a flirt; it's who you are. Yet some merchants just can't wrap their heads around it. They assume you want to sleep with them, so they'll try to curry favor with low prices. Or if they don't swing your way, they imagine that you're a rival for their own affections, so they'll try to price you out of town. Bottom line, the more men you sleep with, the fewer caps male merchants will charge for their wares, and the more caps female merchants will charge. And vice-versa; more female partners means female merchants charge less, and male merchants charge more.

 

Notes: Stats for sex partner gender are permanently tracked. Sex must be consensual, and partner must be either human or ghoul. If you feel that the outcome should be inverted (i.e. sleeping with more women makes female merchants charge more) you may switch the toggle in the MCM.

 

Edited May 14 by MSM_Alice

[MSM_Alice]

1 hour ago, judge007 said:

@MSM_Alice The issue with the Bimbo animations triggering AAF animation, is an odd interaction between NukaRide, MSMA and Provocative Perks .

Not accepting the perk that deals with traders somehow fixes it. Toning down the Sex Attributes Arousal settings also diminishes the quantity.

 

Just a heads-up.

If I'm thinking about it, could it be that there is simply a mod that has a  " when  Arousal greater than a threshold > Trigger AAF scene" functionality,  masturbation or otherwise?
And the association with the bimbo anims is simply conjunctural since they too trigger when arousal is greater than a threshold?

 

[judge007]

8 minutes ago, MSM_Alice said:

If I'm thinking about it, could it be that there is simply a mod that has a  " when  Arousal greater than a threshold > Trigger AAF scene" functionality,  masturbation or otherwise?
And the association with the bimbo anims is simply conjunctural since they too trigger when arousal is greater than a threshold?

 

That could well be, just trying to track it down is extremely frustrating, and no logical method (logs/crash reports) to go by.

Right now it's the same as the binary mod reduction method to find the culprit.

Add to that, AAFs tendency to quit working when you make too many changes, and I may just start up New Vegas, Oblivion or Skyrim for a break.

[Mimirue17]

Quetion: not really sure how to instigate the buffing of companions, I am with Strong and have only had a random pop up that offered to buff him.  Can you provide the method to do this on command?

 

Suggestions/ideas: I am at max SM conversation level with Maraina (4 or 5 talks with her about them) an idea would be if you have strong as companion offer to 'help' her using your bimbo powers.   You could get Marina to such a high arousal state that she can bypass her safety measures and be so lubed up that she can have sex with Strong with you using your powers to control the two of them to do it safely...mostly.  she will of course need much recoup time.

 

2nd after buffing up companions and having a long fight they require a 'reward' for their hard work in form of sex, dialogue driven so player can choose method.

[Mimirue17]

One more suggestion, have a setting that you give in to cravings to any companion 1st regardless of race or gender if you have one active.  For example dogmeat, strong, ivy or normal ones like piper, Curie etc.

[hiono]

3 hours ago, Mimirue17 said:

Quetion: not really sure how to instigate the buffing of companions, I am with Strong and have only had a random pop up that offered to buff him.  Can you provide the method to do this on command?

 

Suggestions/ideas: I am at max SM conversation level with Maraina (4 or 5 talks with her about them) an idea would be if you have strong as companion offer to 'help' her using your bimbo powers.   You could get Marina to such a high arousal state that she can bypass her safety measures and be so lubed up that she can have sex with Strong with you using your powers to control the two of them to do it safely...mostly.  she will of course need much recoup time.

 

2nd after buffing up companions and having a long fight they require a 'reward' for their hard work in form of sex, dialogue driven so player can choose method.

If you look at them and press the sexfight key it should bring up the menu. It works exactly how prostitution works.

[Mimirue17]

23 minutes ago, hiono said:

If you look at them and press the sexfight key it should bring up the menu. It works exactly how prostitution works.

That makes perfect sense, not sure how I missed that.  Thank you.

[MSM_Alice]

1 hour ago, Mimirue17 said:

That makes perfect sense, not sure how I missed that.  Thank you.

Additionally, the bimboscope report ( safe sexfight hotkey) will  tell you after, what their buffed status is (which buffs are on him, and at what intensity)

They usually last 15 real-time minutes. 
You can refresh them before they run out. 
I find them particularly effective on Strong because his melee skills and his hammer "don't miss".

Edited May 15 by MSM_Alice

[MSM_Alice]

4 hours ago, Mimirue17 said:

One more suggestion, have a setting that you give in to cravings to any companion 1st regardless of race or gender if you have one active.  For example dogmeat, strong, ivy or normal ones like piper, Curie etc.

Hmmm.... I am actually specifically filtering out the current companion from loss-of-control craving auto-targets, to avoid things from being too repetitive, I think.  

 

But story-wise it would make sense one would target the closest. 

Edited May 15 by MSM_Alice

[MSM_Alice]

5 hours ago, Mimirue17 said:

Quetion: not really sure how to instigate the buffing of companions, I am with Strong and have only had a random pop up that offered to buff him.  Can you provide the method to do this on command?

 

Suggestions/ideas: I am at max SM conversation level with Maraina (4 or 5 talks with her about them) an idea would be if you have strong as companion offer to 'help' her using your bimbo powers.   You could get Marina to such a high arousal state that she can bypass her safety measures and be so lubed up that she can have sex with Strong with you using your powers to control the two of them to do it safely...mostly.  she will of course need much recoup time.

 

2nd after buffing up companions and having a long fight they require a 'reward' for their hard work in form of sex, dialogue driven so player can choose method.

There will definitely be some quest involving that kind of interaction at some point; either Strong or Viggo. I haven't decided exactly which. 

[Mimirue17]

6 minutes ago, MSM_Alice said:

There will definitely be some quest involving that kind of interaction at some point; either Strong or Viggo. I haven't decided exactly which. 

beware of using Viggo, I had sex with him and his hounds and he is Behemoth size as well as the hounds!   Not that I minded but he would probably kill poor Marina.

 

one benefit is Darthroman has fisting animations, which could be a warm up practice to help her train her body for the real thing (maybe a few sessions to get her ready before bring in Strong).   I can see offering her as much help as possible, as SM sex is pretty much the ultimate sex that is even in the realm of not killing normal humans (probably....) but its a one way street as it would be impossible to go back to puny humans after going green!   I normally do not use companions, but Strong is pretty hilarious to have around so might have to change my opinion.

[MSM_Alice]

41 minutes ago, Mimirue17 said:

beware of using Viggo, I had sex with him and his hounds and he is Behemoth size as well as the hounds!   Not that I minded but he would probably kill poor Marina.

 

one benefit is Darthroman has fisting animations, which could be a warm up practice to help her train her body for the real thing (maybe a few sessions to get her ready before bring in Strong).   I can see offering her as much help as possible, as SM sex is pretty much the ultimate sex that is even in the realm of not killing normal humans (probably....) but its a one way street as it would be impossible to go back to puny humans after going green!   I normally do not use companions, but Strong is pretty hilarious to have around so might have to change my opinion.

I know, his gameplay size value is currently like that because of his special FEV status.
He's supposed to be able to control his size, and eventually, he can learn how to show restraint and decide how big he wants to be in spicy situations with humans, which is what makes that Marina interaction possible eventually.

But at the start, it will be out of his control, and you will help him (or not) to figure out how not to go overboard.
This will be an alternate way to pay him for his "settlement in need of help" missions if you didn;t find the special trinkets he requires.

 

Edited May 15 by MSM_Alice

[MSM_Alice]

1 hour ago, Mimirue17 said:

beware of using Viggo, I had sex with him and his hounds and he is Behemoth size as well as the hounds!   Not that I minded but he would probably kill poor Marina.

 

one benefit is Darthroman has fisting animations, which could be a warm up practice to help her train her body for the real thing (maybe a few sessions to get her ready before bring in Strong).   I can see offering her as much help as possible, as SM sex is pretty much the ultimate sex that is even in the realm of not killing normal humans (probably....) but its a one way street as it would be impossible to go back to puny humans after going green!   I normally do not use companions, but Strong is pretty hilarious to have around so might have to change my opinion.

There's several outcomes that keep swirling in my head

- The player doesn't think too hard about it, makes the intro, Marina tries it with a Viggo who is untrained, bad idea.  This cannot work that way. She needs some nanite transfusion/injection to save her life, but there is a cost to that, as she becomes a bit too bimbo-drone herself after it.  She ends up with Viggo, but in a perverted way. Not a healthy relationship.
 

- Marina tries it with a Viggo who is just a bit trained but nowhere near enough,  and regrets it and realizes some fantasies should stay fantasies, and when put in act, they're really not as fun.  A cold shower wake-up call that some fantasies are meant to stay fantasies. 

- Marina tries it with a "housebroken"  Viggo that is well trained and in control of his abilities, and goes easy, progresses bit by bit, which, together with Marina's own training, makes this possible. Maybe she and Viggo end up together, trying to have a normal life and a normal relationship. 

Edited May 15 by MSM_Alice

[Mimirue17]

15 minutes ago, MSM_Alice said:

There's several outcomes that keep swirling in my head

- The player doesn't think too hard about it, makes the intro, Marina tries it with a Viggo who is untrained, bad idea.  This cannot work that way. She needs some nantite transfusion/injection to save her life, but there is a cost to that, as she becomes a bit too bimbo-minded herself after it.

- Marina tries it with a Viggo who is just a bit trained but nowhere near enough,  and regrets it and realizes some fantasies should stay fantasies, and when put in act they're really not as fun.  A cold shower wake-up call 
- Marina tries it with a Viggo that is well trained and in control of his abilities, and goes easy, progresses bit by bit, which, together with Marina's own training, makes this possible. Maybe she and Viggo end up together, trying to have a normal life and relationship. 

hmm, I like the idea of 'training' Viggo to help him control himself, 'as many times as it takes to control your monster, I am up for it!' is something I could see my character saying...

Marina is kind of her only friend, so I can see a lot of effort going in to help her out (everyone else in the world just sees her as a bimbo to be used for sex...as often as possible...) and maybe finally using her powers to help her friend can help her reign in her sexcapades leading into more of the story and possible redemption back to semi normal behaviour.

[Mimirue17]

Here is an idea for the lovey senerio.

Player tells Viggo that she has had sm before but he seems larger and is curious about his meat, and would like to see it.  Impressed she would like to see it hard.  Offers a blow job and realizes just how much it is.  Talks to Viggo about how he has probably never enjoyed sex  because no one can enjoy it with him.  Tells him about the implant effects on taking huge sizes, and offers to show him what he is missing.  Afterwards tells him about Marina and her fetish about SM but also the dangers her body would face and is sad because she would like to have a friendly SM like Viggo to be able to fulfill her wish of taking in a SM.  Here is where your plans would come in, finding a way to get him to control his size.  Quests, items needed and help gauging his size from the player as he works on controlling it.

Edited May 15 by Mimirue17

[Mimirue17]

Also Marina probably commenting on the screams of pleasure coming from the vault area every time they 'train'

[MSM_Alice]

New test version

1.0710 - mid playthrough upgrade should be okay. 

• Touched up some of Marina's initial dialogue to be more believable / in character for her.
• Added an integration with FPE mod and its pregnancies and STDs. Now MSMA has some settings so that your nanites can automatically negate new pregnancies and cure STDs. Default on but can be toggled off in the MSMa MCM, Third-party mod- simple settings page, FPE section. 

 

 

Download below.

 

Edited May 16 by MSM_Alice

[MSM_Alice]

quick patch :
Removed the first-time tutorial pop-ups for these two events ( Pregnancy cancellation and STD Auto cure). 
Left only some notifications. The FPE pregnancy cancellation function does a fade to black,  and that fade does not play nicely in conjunction with popups. ( If the pop-up is behind a black screen, things can stall unless the player knows to press Enter. 

MSMA_Latest_Main_Act1_[In_Development_1_0711].zip

Edited May 16 by MSM_Alice

[Cheburashka100500]

On 5/8/2026 at 3:46 PM, MSM_Alice said:

 

This is the setting you are looking for, 

After changing it, it might take a while to kick in ( until the first events that reset the animation tree:  first AAF scene, first furniture use, first PA use, or similar) 

 

I found and changed Bimbo's walk level in the settings to "0." I also set "Allow player anim archetype reset" to "1." I've been playing for a few days now, but the walk remains the same. Or should I not have set "Allow player anim archetype reset" to "1?"

[MSM_Alice]

1 hour ago, Cheburashka100500 said:

I found and changed Bimbo's walk level in the settings to "0." I also set "Allow player anim archetype reset" to "1." I've been playing for a few days now, but the walk remains the same. Or should I not have set "Allow player anim archetype reset" to "1?"

Hello.
Achetypes has nothing to do with it. Unless you know what it does, it is better left on default.


That "Allow  Bimbo walk on any level above this level",  if you set 0 there, means it is always on, as the bimbo level you have is always equalor above 0. 
0 essentially means "always use bimbo anims", out of the gate.

 

If you want "never activate," you need to set that setting to 7 or, probably better do  8 (max),  so that any bimbo level you are on,  would be below the activation threshold level.

 

I believe the explanations should be clear: 

Edited May 17 by MSM_Alice