Sanguine Debauchery (SD+) (January 2025)

[donttouchmethere]

1 hour ago, Nerran said:

Hi. Since the new update of SD+ I'm encountering an odd problem... I cannot take the crawling and don'trecallthename pose... When I'm spamming the two arrows, it just says that there is a problem with pose that isn't there when I play 361... Is it a new known bug or is it just me?

if you have devious training 2 installed => deactivate crawling in DT2 MCM

[Celedhring]

There's a potential bug with the cage in Chillwind...it borked my PC who was enslaved to the Falmer there..should she go into the chaurus pen near the cage and not the cage?  Basically what happened is that she was put in the cage as normally, but she was never released at or after 9 AM so that stopped all sexual interactions..."beg" didn't even trigger any sex animations..nor did any other creatures rape her after that so that suggests a stalled cage state.   AFAIK, there's no known way to break out of that stalled "caged" status. 

 

This is with SD 3.6.2 and SD Cages 3.30.  

 

 

[Nerran]

9 hours ago, donttouchmethere said:

if you have devious training 2 installed => deactivate crawling in DT2 MCM

I don't. And I've runned a lot of tests since:

 

My old game with the 361 can still crawl and all with the arrows. But when I play on that game with the 362 I cannot switch positions anymore.

My new game that I began after updating all my mods (and because I did mistakes with the old ones, stats speaking) has installed the 362 at the very beginning. So when I'm trying the arrows I've got the "[SD] Problem with positions" error on top left... And when I try to downgrade to 361... Welll... When I get enslaved, it just says nothing when I spam the arrows and my character still stands.

[donttouchmethere]

On 2/6/2019 at 11:00 AM, Nerran said:

I don't. And I've runned a lot of tests since:

 

My old game with the 361 can still crawl and all with the arrows. But when I play on that game with the 362 I cannot switch positions anymore.

My new game that I began after updating all my mods (and because I did mistakes with the old ones, stats speaking) has installed the 362 at the very beginning. So when I'm trying the arrows I've got the "[SD] Problem with positions" error on top left... And when I try to downgrade to 361... Welll... When I get enslaved, it just says nothing when I spam the arrows and my character still stands.

that sounds as if something went wrong from your 361 load order to your new 362 load order

one way to test 362 would be to rebuild the last load order you know worked with the old 361 SD+ and try it with the new 362 SD+ instead.

 

other things that might relate to the issue:

> always run FNIS after you play around with your load order

> changing load order during a running game can cause all sorts of bugs (even with a clean save)

> check if you updated all SD+ related mods too (like SLdialog)

> you could move SD+ lower in load order

> check if something overwrites your FNIS esp (so far I only know that TKdoges likes to do that)

> on a new game let all mods load + activate SL, than save and reload, SD+ will update after the first game reload, best to save and reload after registering SLAL animations with SL too

> maybe you have other mods that provide crawling animations that overwrite/conflict the SD+ ones (don't know any other atm than DT2 (DT2 doesn't come with it's own crawl animations, it relays on SD+ or ZEP))

[Kitsudragon]

Frustrating... I'm starting a brand new playthrough with the SE version, and due to rotten early luck, I got dropped fast, and woke up with a spectral collar on. Now, since I can't use spells or weapons, and I'm level 1, and not likely to survive long enough to meet SAM to unlock the regular method, I decided to hunt down the altar under the meadery. I got there, managed to (eventually) deal with the door guards, and tried to sleep at the altar.

 

Nothing.

 

I stayed there for a day and a half. No result. It just says I keep waking up feeling rested. I even got the "truth" quest objective to sleep at the altar

 

I suspect this part of the mod doesn't work properly. Is there a way to trigger the event manually? If not, I either have to try to hope the safeword works, or just start a new game, which bites.

 

Edit: A quick check shows the chance of going to Dreamworld next time I sleep is 100%. Yet sleeping in front of the altar never works. Help?

[wl00449099]

On 2/7/2019 at 1:12 AM, donttouchmethere said:

that sounds as if something went wrong from your 361 load order to your new 362 load order

one way to test 362 would be to rebuild the last load order you know worked with the old 361 SD+ and try it with the new 362 SD+ instead.

 

other things that might relate to the issue:

> always run FNIS after you play around with your load order

> changing load order during a running game can cause all sorts of bugs (even with a clean save)

> check if you updated all SD+ related mods too (like SLdialog)

> you could move SD+ lower in load order

> check if something overwrites your FNIS esp (so far I only know that TKdoges likes to do that)

> on a new game let all mods load + activate SL, than save and reload, SD+ will update after the first game reload, best to save and reload after registering SLAL animations with SL too

> maybe you have other mods that provide crawling animations that overwrite/conflict the SD+ ones (don't know any other atm than DT2)

Hello sir,I also have same problem.
But I am installing the 362 version directly.
And I can normally enslaved by creatures,only human won't.
When my character enslaved by human.
I've got the "[SD] Problem with positions" error on top left.
And my character won't kneel/crawl.

 

[5MHdxfn]

I just want to say thanks for this Mod.

 

I am running Skyrim SE. It works perfect if you follow the regular instruction.

[donttouchmethere]

14 hours ago, wl00449099 said:

Hello sir,I also have same problem.
But I am installing the 362 version directly.
And I can normally enslaved by creatures,only human won't.
When my character enslaved by human.
I've got the "[SD] Problem with positions" error on top left.
And my character won't kneel/crawl. 

 

Hello Sir,

I wish I could help with that, but as I said I only had that issue with DT2's activated crawl

 

I have SD+ at the end of my load order atm, even below LAL and Bashed Patch:

* 0B  Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
* 0C  SexLab.esm  [Version 1.62]
* 0D  SexLabAroused.esm  [Version 2.8]
* 0E  CreatureFramework.esm  [Version 1.1.0]
* 0F  ZaZAnimationPack.esm
* 10  Heretical Resources.esm
* 11  SexLab - Sexual Fame [SLSF].esm
* 12  Devious Devices - Assets.esm  [Version 2.8.3]
* 13  Devious Devices - Integration.esm
* 14  Devious Devices - Expansion.esm
* 15  Skyrim - Utility Mod.esm  [Version No]

...

* C7  TKDodge.esp
* C8  FNIS.esp
* C9  FNISspells.esp
* CA  XPMSE.esp
* CB  Purewaters.esp
* CC  Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp  [Version 3.1.7]
* CD  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
* CE  S_L_U_T_S.esp

* CF  SexLab_Dialogues.esp
* D0  sanguinesDebauchery.esp
* D1  SD Addons.esp
[* D2  CagedFollowers.esp] => optional
[* D3  SD Patches.esp  [Version No.]] => optional

...

 

there might be other issues too that can prevent SD+ animations:

> check your FNIS output for warnings

> check if ZAZ/DDi,a,x is installed right

> deactivate crawl in DT2

> check if maybe an idle animation replacer could conflict

> be sure you wait on a new game start that all mods are loaded and save/reload so SD+ can update

> check your savegame for failed scripts (with resaver for example)

> be sure nothing overwrote your FNIS

 

 

"And I can normally enslaved by creatures,only human won't."

you need a mod that enslaves you via SD+ (!!!Deviously Enslaved Continued is the ULTIMATE SD+ enslaver!!! or other mods that send you to simple slavery plus)

or just use the SD+ combat surrender

alternative: put a DD collar on and ask some NPC to enslave you via SLdialog

[donttouchmethere]

thx @DeepBlueFrog for the new ragdoll debug feature ?

needed to use it already ?

[wl00449099]

On 2/9/2019 at 2:26 AM, donttouchmethere said:

Hello Sir,

I wish I could help with that, but as I said I only had that issue with DT2's activated crawl

 

I have SD+ at the end of my load order atm, even below LAL and Bashed Patch:

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

* 0B  Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
* 0C  SexLab.esm  [Version 1.62]
* 0D  SexLabAroused.esm  [Version 2.8]
* 0E  CreatureFramework.esm  [Version 1.1.0]
* 0F  ZaZAnimationPack.esm
* 10  Heretical Resources.esm
* 11  SexLab - Sexual Fame [SLSF].esm
* 12  Devious Devices - Assets.esm  [Version 2.8.3]
* 13  Devious Devices - Integration.esm
* 14  Devious Devices - Expansion.esm
* 15  Skyrim - Utility Mod.esm  [Version No]

...

* C7  TKDodge.esp
* C8  FNIS.esp
* C9  FNISspells.esp
* CA  XPMSE.esp
* CB  Purewaters.esp
* CC  Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp  [Version 3.1.7]
* CD  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
* CE  S_L_U_T_S.esp

* CF  SexLab_Dialogues.esp
* D0  sanguinesDebauchery.esp
* D1  SD Addons.esp
[* D2  CagedFollowers.esp] => optional
[* D3  SD Patches.esp  [Version No.]] => optional

...
 

 

 

 

there might be other issues too that can prevent SD+ animations:

> check your FNIS output for warnings

> check if ZAZ/DDi,a,x is installed right

> deactivate crawl in DT2

> check if maybe an idle animation replacer could conflict

> be sure you wait on a new game start that all mods are loaded and save/reload so SD+ can update

> check your savegame for failed scripts (with resaver for example)

> be sure nothing overwrote your FNIS

 

 

"And I can normally enslaved by creatures,only human won't."

you need a mod that enslaves you via SD+ (!!!Deviously Enslaved Continued is the ULTIMATE SD+ enslaver!!! or other mods that send you to simple slavery plus)

or just use the SD+ combat surrender

alternative: put a DD collar on and ask some NPC to enslave you via SLdialog

The "DT2" is Devious Traing?

And I tried your approach,it's useless lol.

ZAZ/DDi,a,x Reinstalled also useless.

At the enslaved beginning,my character was kneeling all of a sudden.

And after reply standing posture.

 

[Lupine00]

Vaguely related to the little chat about "always plays lesbian animations" issue in Hormones...

 

Started a new game with SD+. All the latest stuff.

 

Using CCAS, I started as a pregnant slave of the Kin family.

This isn't bad, though a few lines of custom dialogue would have lifted it to another level. The existing dialog (which I think is from SL Stories) is all aimed at a player who just wanders in and starts asking questions, and isn't quite right for a new sister-wife. Nevertheless, of the CCAS starts, I recommend giving this one a try.

 

One little quirk: all SD+ initiated sex animations are backwards. PC is in the aggressive, male slot, Owner (who is male) in the female, submissive slot.

 

Every time an animation starts, I have to hit =/+ to swap places, or else it's very odd.

Animations started by DCL do not have this problem.

 

Any idea how this could possibly arise?

[donttouchmethere]

5 hours ago, wl00449099 said:

The "DT2" is Devious Traing?

And I tried your approach,it's useless lol.

ZAZ/DDi,a,x Reinstalled also useless.

At the enslaved beginning,my character was kneeling all of a sudden.

And after reply standing posture.

 

yes DT2 is Devious Training, if you have DT2 installed and crawling is ticked it might interfere

 

"And I tried your approach,it's useless lol."

"ZAZ/DDi,a,x Reinstalled also useless."

> I can't see from here how you mess up your game, that's why my suggestions are a form of method of elimination or as a kind of checklist of mods/issues that might be the cause of your problems.

You should know best if the other mods work in your game already or if you see issues with those mods.

didn't say you have to reinstall everything lol

 

"At the enslaved beginning,my character was kneeling all of a sudden."

"And after reply standing posture."

> well, that sounds promising,

after enslavement your PC goes always into a kneeling position at first, so the animation is there

[Lupine00]

17 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

One little quirk: all SD+ initiated sex animations are backwards. PC is in the aggressive, male slot, Owner (who is male) in the female, submissive slot.

 

Every time an animation starts, I have to hit =/+ to swap places, or else it's very odd.

Animations started by DCL do not have this problem.

 

Any idea how this could possibly arise?

Further to this, I had some problems with kneeling and crawling not working.

I rebuilt FNIS, which fixed nothing.

 

The problem with kneeling + crawling not working was that I'd experimented with enabling XPMSE .ESP

If you do this, it appears that kneeling and crawling are broken in SD+

 

The problem with kneeling + crawling not working is caused by dropping the entire SDplus mod out of MO, then running FNIS, then only re-running FNIS after SD+ has been started. If you do this, the behaviours never get set up and will never work. It's clearly a mistake, but you might think that running FNIS later can fix it. It can't. If you didn't FNIS with the SD+ mod present prior to starting it, your only fix is a new game.

 

So, I made a new game, changed my LO a bit, rebuilt FNIS again, and started over.

Now I have kneeling and crawling OK, but...

 

Animation positions are still backwards, with PC in male position.

Also, creature animations refuse to swap position, as presumably SexLab thinks this is a bad idea?

 

So, my enslaved PC runs around brutally raping the various creatures of Skyrim.

 

 

I notice also that whenever I start a game, the amount of initialisation that Hormones performs is a total crapshoot.

This is replicated on two computers now, MO and NMM, very different LOs.

 

When I open the Hormones MCM, it's clear that some values weren't set-up properly on install. Sometimes you can just set them and fix, other times you can't.

I have the sense that this same level of arbitrary initialisation might occur with SD+ too.

 

I have a theory that SLIF is related to this. I didn't see this indeterminancy in startups without SLIF in the LO. Coincidence? Maybe. I'm going to find out.

 

I've also had a user report something similar with SLD and SLIF.

SLD does not auto-run. You have to start it explicitly.

They were getting nodes popping in and out - but SLD doesn't modify any nodes.

When I got them to inspect what values different mods had set in SLIF, some data looked like it might be missing.

After trying some things, I suggested they try starting their game from scratch again and see if it worked, and magically, after a couple of tries it did, and the 'popping' was gone.

 

The common factor always seems to be SLIF.

 

Tomorrow, I will drop SLIF out and try and confirm this theory. Might just be that it's caused by SD Patch instead.

 

Update: when testing without SLIF in, I never had a bad Hormones initialisation. This isn't conclusive, as I only tried two or three times, but its suggestive.

[Lupine00]

Another little quirk.

 

Flowering Spriggan creates a huge neck gap.

 

I've run bodyslide on everything. Before the quest starts, my body is seamless.

 

Quest starts up, and before roots even applied, character is stripped and made bald. Extremely visible neck gap appears.

 

Just a guess, but even though the body for the roots goes through Bodyslide, it doesn't match UUNP Special properly?

 

Again, needs more investigation. Maybe spriggan body not getting any Bodyslide at all.

 

 

Maybe this could be covered over by adding a "collar" type item that hides the seam?

[Lupine00]

I spent some serious time looking into this reversed animation problem.

 

I ended up building a LO with everything stripped out, except SexLab, DD, and SDplus.

I even stripped SL Stories, Stories Devious, Hormones and Parasites out.

 

Still getting those reversed animations ... but not on the very first animation played.

 

What I see is that the first animation is OK. It plays the right way around.

Then, the next animation that plays fails actor validation - says actors are busy - already animating.

Sometimes for threesomes it comes out looking alright anyway, but I believe its just luck.

 

And the problem persists.

Everything that goes to play after the first animation is logging actor validation errors, with actors "already animating".

 

 

I suspect this is causing the actors not to slot properly.

 

Does anyone else see this?

[DeepBlueFrog]

The reverted animation is due to a change I made in SD+ to allow for female owners to cowgirl their male slave instead of always pegging them with a dildo.

 

Problem was, as usual, not enough time to test the change in multiple configurations.

[Lupine00]

30 minutes ago, DeepBlueFrog said:

The reverted animation is due to a change I made in SD+ to allow for female owners to cowgirl their male slave instead of always pegging them with a dildo.

 

Problem was, as usual, not enough time to test the change in multiple configurations.

That doesn't explain the error messages from SexLab. It's not saying actors don't match the slot, it's saying they are already in an animation.

 

I found that if I manually stop animations from SexLab MCM, it resolves the problem for a while.

It's only happening in SD+.

 

Seems like the animation end isn't being handled properly, leaving the SL thread running?

So controls unlock, and SD+ decides the fun is over, but SL still has the actors slotted in its aliases.

 

 

Not to say the reversed animation bug isn't exactly as you describe. Sounds like that's correct. Reversed animations are playing for all owners, including males and creatures. Definitely not 'immersive'

 

But the actor validation failures seem to be another problem on top of that.

[Lupine00]

While testing this stuff, running without any script heavy mods at all, I found SD+ seems to work better in general with less mods running.

Sure, owners still decide to stand still and do nothing for hours on end when supposedly travelling, but everything else is more responsive and more appropriate.

DCL and friends do make a difference, and SD+ seems sensitive to the load.

I not only got more movement, and more appropriate responses from the owner, but in some cases better dialog or top-left notifications.

 

 

One thing that remains broken though ... is dance.

 

You'll recall I asked about failing entertain tasks repeatedly a while back, and the response was "use the Dance spell."

 

 

You can't use the dance spell. 

 

1) If you try to cast it, no spell is cast and the owner gets angry and punishes you with a gag.

2) I've replicated this with multiple owners and installs.

3) you might not get punished if you don't target the owner. It's hard to tell whether they're targeted or not.

4) no matter what you do with it, it never makes you dance.

 

Dance should either have its own hotkey, or be castable off the powers menu, not as a regular spell.

It shouldn't need a target, it should work on LOS.

 

Alternatively, the player could dance automatically - reliably - as they sometimes do. I don't really get why sometimes you dance whether you want to or not, and other times you simply don't. It's quite confusing, and entertainment tasks are the most puzzling. You can initiate dance, but not sex? At higher SL, you can ask for sex. But does this entertain the owner? It's all a bit unclear.

[wl00449099]

18 hours ago, donttouchmethere said:

yes DT2 is Devious Training, if you have DT2 installed and crawling is ticked it might interfere

 

"And I tried your approach,it's useless lol."

"ZAZ/DDi,a,x Reinstalled also useless."

> I can't see from here how you mess up your game, that's why my suggestions are a form of method of elimination or as a kind of checklist of mods/issues that might be the cause of your problems.

You should know best if the other mods work in your game already or if you see issues with those mods.

didn't say you have to reinstall everything lol

 

"At the enslaved beginning,my character was kneeling all of a sudden."

"And after reply standing posture."

> well, that sounds promising,

after enslavement your PC goes always into a kneeling position at first, so the animation is there

If I must reinstall everything,sounds sad.

It's make me mad,my character won't kneeling/crawling.

[xREDBEARDx]

Hi guys. Has anyone had such a problem?

https://github.com/SkyrimLL/SDPlus/issues/852

[Razuryam]

Excuse me ive been having a problem with this mod, it seems that my animations of kneeling and crawling arent workin. sometimes when i try to kneel or Crawl, the mod says that im doing it but doesnt make the animations it just stay stand. 

 

Another situation was when the animation were running then i used the key for submit to an enemy, after submiting  when i tried to kneel or crawl in shows this message "[SD] Problem with position:".

 

Im not sure what could be the problem, i already re intalled the mod, even started a new game and run FNIS.

i think it could be an incompatibility maybe with Devius Framework, cause almost all my other mods are for triggering the events like "simple slavery" and "defeat" "death alternative" etc.

 

But before doing anything i wanted to ask first. What could be the problem with the animations? ?

[DIO over Za Warudo]

Out of curiosity, did you ever figure out how to make Sanguine gender-fluid like you mentioned a while ago? As in he appears male sometimes, but other times appears female?

 

Cause I'm planning a succubus character at some point (once I figure out how I'm supposed to get everything set up), and part of her backstory involves her having been corrupted by Sanguine to become a succubus (she was originally a Daughter of Coldharbour) so I figured I'd install this mod for the chance to have her occasionally pop into the Dreamworld and worship her "god" so to speak.  And since she'd definitely be very hypersexual (she doesn't care who or what fucks her, so long as she gets fucked) I think it would fit to have Sanguine appear to her as either gender (or possibly futa too) depending on the Prince's mood. 

 

If you haven't implemented it yet, I'm still probably going to install this mod, but I figured I'd ask to satisfy my curiosity.

[Fuzzy_Fox]

9 hours ago, Aizen525 said:

Out of curiosity, did you ever figure out how to make Sanguine gender-fluid like you mentioned a while ago? As in he appears male sometimes, but other times appears female?

 

Cause I'm planning a succubus character at some point (once I figure out how I'm supposed to get everything set up), and part of her backstory involves her having been corrupted by Sanguine to become a succubus (she was originally a Daughter of Coldharbour) so I figured I'd install this mod for the chance to have her occasionally pop into the Dreamworld and worship her "god" so to speak.  And since she'd definitely be very hypersexual (she doesn't care who or what fucks her, so long as she gets fucked) I think it would fit to have Sanguine appear to her as either gender (or possibly futa too) depending on the Prince's mood. 

 

If you haven't implemented it yet, I'm still probably going to install this mod, but I figured I'd ask to satisfy my curiosity.

 

You can set that up in the mod MCM I think. Played around with the settings myself and had it so Sanguine was female if my character was male or male if it was a female character. Not sure about the random chance thing as each time I try to set that one up Sanguine seems to always be male. But then me and rng, dice etc have never been lucky. 

[Adviser69]

18 hours ago, Aizen525 said:

Out of curiosity, did you ever figure out how to make Sanguine gender-fluid like you mentioned a while ago? As in he appears male sometimes, but other times appears female?

 

Cause I'm planning a succubus character at some point (once I figure out how I'm supposed to get everything set up), and part of her backstory involves her having been corrupted by Sanguine to become a succubus (she was originally a Daughter of Coldharbour) so I figured I'd install this mod for the chance to have her occasionally pop into the Dreamworld and worship her "god" so to speak.  And since she'd definitely be very hypersexual (she doesn't care who or what fucks her, so long as she gets fucked) I think it would fit to have Sanguine appear to her as either gender (or possibly futa too) depending on the Prince's mood. 

 

If you haven't implemented it yet, I'm still probably going to install this mod, but I figured I'd ask to satisfy my curiosity.

One experiment I would suggest:

Go into the SD+ MCM menu and set Gender Restriction to SexLab and Sanguine Gender to Use Gender Restriction. Then if you have your SexLab settings set to Bisexual (which playing a succubus I would expect), there might be a chance for Sanguine to be either/or. I just don't know if he/she stays in that gender/gets baked into the save as the selected gender, or if the gender will change again after cell reset. I haven't tested that far yet while experimenting with the SE conversion. But if this sounds like a worthwhile lead, let me know how it turns out.

[Razuryam]

Excuse me i really need help with a problem with animations, everytime i try to kneel or crawl this message is showed "[SD] Problem with position:".

 

Im using ZaZ animation pack 7. Simple Slavery, Death Alternative, Devius Devices "assets-Integration-Expansion" in their last versions

 

Ive been intalling this mods several time and running FNIS. and i dont know what else to do. and yes ive been reading the post of bugs and problems, and also the whole page of the mod and i cannot find a solution.

 

So far my Character can be Slaved and all, the problem is this "[SD] Problem with position:". everytime i try to kneel and crawl that message is showed and well without those animation i cannot progress in the slavery.

 

I really wanna try this mod, and ive been really triying to make it work, i even unistalled my devious framework triying to see if that fix it and nothing.

So pls someone, anybody can help me or knows why is this happening?  

 

 

PT: Just to be clear I have all the mods that are required for SD to work, i just mention some of them because i didnt wanna overextend the msg but if is needed i will.