Logarek Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 Hi all , I have run into a slight problem when you go to the vip house with master and heron ,master talks to miss delius about erani then they call erani but there is no sign of her she never turns up ,you just stand there with folded arms waiting for ever .I am sorry if this has been discussed before and I have missed the post but is there a code to advance this stage, I also looked at the menu at the erani quest and it says quest not started quick and dirty way to solve this is to go to the menu enable player controls and run a little way up the stairs erani then appears and continues on downstairs you'll need to get back in place and disable player controls for the scene to continue also Vel I'm looking to add some of the extra armours and you say in the spoiler for the Dark Disciple armour it requires the standalone version but I'm using CBBE bodyslide would the bodyslide version work or not? I enabled player controls using ZaZ and ran up the stairs to find Erani, but she still never appears. I looked around the entire manor and she doesn't appear. What's going wrong?
Veladarius Posted January 3, 2015 Author Posted January 3, 2015 Hi all , I have run into a slight problem when you go to the vip house with master and heron ,master talks to miss delius about erani then they call erani but there is no sign of her she never turns up ,you just stand there with folded arms waiting for ever .I am sorry if this has been discussed before and I have missed the post but is there a code to advance this stage, I also looked at the menu at the erani quest and it says quest not started quick and dirty way to solve this is to go to the menu enable player controls and run a little way up the stairs erani then appears and continues on downstairs you'll need to get back in place and disable player controls for the scene to continue also Vel I'm looking to add some of the extra armours and you say in the spoiler for the Dark Disciple armour it requires the standalone version but I'm using CBBE bodyslide would the bodyslide version work or not? I enabled player controls using ZaZ and ran up the stairs to find Erani, but she still never appears. I looked around the entire manor and she doesn't appear. What's going wrong? Check the MCM menu and see if Erani's menu shows now, if so use it to move her to you otherwise use the reset for her then move her.
magicrealm Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 Is the dependency recent? I have SD+ but not SexLab Dialogues. its no hard dependency. but as SkyrimLL put it - SD+ 3.0+ does not have much sense without SL Dialogues. Because dialogue options to interact with your owner comes from SL Dialogues. i hate these dialogues becuase they are at every npc, even at the aft followers. really hate such an Amateur game ruin
Veladarius Posted January 3, 2015 Author Posted January 3, 2015 Dialogue for asking the player if they want to become a slave (relationship) as well as informing them that they are now a property slave is mostly done, currently has 122 lines of dialogue.
xTrogdorx Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 Um.. is the delivery quest supposed to be impossible to get done on time? For example, my timescale is set to 10, I have timescale set to 10 in the CD MCM menu. (I've even tried setting it to 15 - figuring that the mod will assume that time is going by faster than it actually is, giving me more "real" time to complete the quest). I'm accepting the quest, getting on my horse and sprinting all the way to the delivery location, which has so far been markarth and whiterun, the two closest cities (assuming that fast travel takes more time than heading there on horseback?) I'm not even stopping to fight anything on the road, or to fight the bandits that show up at the city gates to stop me (why don't the guards help fight them?!) Even when I sneak away and get to the delivery npc as soon as I legitimately can, I'm still 'late'. Also why did you make the Master/Haran essential? I realize that would kind of end the mod, but so what? You set up this cheap scenario where the Master can hypnotize you, chain you up and have Haran whip you, but then you can't take revenge on them because they can't be killed.
Veladarius Posted January 4, 2015 Author Posted January 4, 2015 Um.. is the delivery quest supposed to be impossible to get done on time? For example, my timescale is set to 10, I have timescale set to 10 in the CD MCM menu. (I've even tried setting it to 15 - figuring that the mod will assume that time is going by faster than it actually is, giving me more "real" time to complete the quest). I'm accepting the quest, getting on my horse and sprinting all the way to the delivery location, which has so far been markarth and whiterun, the two closest cities (assuming that fast travel takes more time than heading there on horseback?) I'm not even stopping to fight anything on the road, or to fight the bandits that show up at the city gates to stop me (why don't the guards help fight them?!) Even when I sneak away and get to the delivery npc as soon as I legitimately can, I'm still 'late'. Also why did you make the Master/Haran essential? I realize that would kind of end the mod, but so what? You set up this cheap scenario where the Master can hypnotize you, chain you up and have Haran whip you, but then you can't take revenge on them because they can't be killed. There is an issue with the calculation that adjusts the timescale, keep the slider at 20 until I post a fix for it. Because I didn't want people complaining that something killed them and they can't do anything anymore. And no, I don't intend on changing it.
tontoman Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 Dialogue for asking the player if they want to become a slave (relationship) as well as informing them that they are now a property slave is mostly done, currently has 122 lines of dialogue. Sweet. I lke how the mod while having a path, it's not totally linear in how you can get to the same point, different ways/conversations adds replayability . And it helps as bad luck tends to make more bad luck (badly timed vibration events heh) and an angry master, which is a different path than when things go well.
xTrogdorx Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 Um.. is the delivery quest supposed to be impossible to get done on time? For example, my timescale is set to 10, I have timescale set to 10 in the CD MCM menu. (I've even tried setting it to 15 - figuring that the mod will assume that time is going by faster than it actually is, giving me more "real" time to complete the quest). I'm accepting the quest, getting on my horse and sprinting all the way to the delivery location, which has so far been markarth and whiterun, the two closest cities (assuming that fast travel takes more time than heading there on horseback?) I'm not even stopping to fight anything on the road, or to fight the bandits that show up at the city gates to stop me (why don't the guards help fight them?!) Even when I sneak away and get to the delivery npc as soon as I legitimately can, I'm still 'late'. Also why did you make the Master/Haran essential? I realize that would kind of end the mod, but so what? You set up this cheap scenario where the Master can hypnotize you, chain you up and have Haran whip you, but then you can't take revenge on them because they can't be killed. There is an issue with the calculation that adjusts the timescale, keep the slider at 20 until I post a fix for it. I see. I set it to 50 and then it worked, but, I figure I'm cheating pretty hard there. What is the 'appropriate' amount of real time you're supposed to have to get to the buyer? I assume it takes distance into consideration. Say the target is in Whiterun, for example? Because I didn't want people complaining that something killed them and they can't do anything anymore. And no, I don't intend on changing it. Seems like there should be ~something~ you can do to get back at them. Besides, y'know, theft of stuff they won't notice is missing.
WaterRabbit Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 You have done a great job expanding the mod. I would like to chime in on the Embassy quest as well. It seems too early to introduce a quest like this when the character is just basically a mercenary. It seems to me, a character with non-submissive tendencies should just be sent to deliver a slave to the Embassy. It could even hook in with having the slave die at the party and the character has to escort Ailus back as a replacement. The punishment the character has for misbehaving at the party would logically just get The Master killed at a later date by the character once she gets freed. Frankly maybe even before that since it is implied the master has a device on her which she can control the character. Also, the whole quest is just one big long cut-scene with almost no character interaction. There a also lots of alignment problems the the ZaZ furniture. It also looks like you could set up a subsequent quest with Ailus attempting to get revenge on the character since she cannot directly go after Elenwen.
Logarek Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 Hi all , I have run into a slight problem when you go to the vip house with master and heron ,master talks to miss delius about erani then they call erani but there is no sign of her she never turns up ,you just stand there with folded arms waiting for ever .I am sorry if this has been discussed before and I have missed the post but is there a code to advance this stage, I also looked at the menu at the erani quest and it says quest not started quick and dirty way to solve this is to go to the menu enable player controls and run a little way up the stairs erani then appears and continues on downstairs you'll need to get back in place and disable player controls for the scene to continue also Vel I'm looking to add some of the extra armours and you say in the spoiler for the Dark Disciple armour it requires the standalone version but I'm using CBBE bodyslide would the bodyslide version work or not? I enabled player controls using ZaZ and ran up the stairs to find Erani, but she still never appears. I looked around the entire manor and she doesn't appear. What's going wrong? Check the MCM menu and see if Erani's menu shows now, if so use it to move her to you otherwise use the reset for her then move her. Hi Veladarius, Erani's options haven't appeared just yet, and I can't see an option for Erani in the "Reset Options". I apologize if I'm being a derp, but how do I reset and move her?
aqqh Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 I see. I set it to 50 and then it worked, but, I figure I'm cheating pretty hard there. What is the 'appropriate' amount of real time you're supposed to have to get to the buyer? I assume it takes distance into consideration. Say the target is in Whiterun, for example? it means if you go there straight without any detours you should have enough time to deal with thugs and be on time. With a decent time margin. and if you use your own horse you should have a decent chance for early bonus. as i understand it if you deliver in less than 9 minutes real time to falkreath it should be considered early - 3 hours gametime on timescale 20. Should be easly doable even on foot.
tontoman Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 You have done a great job expanding the mod. I would like to chime in on the Embassy quest as well. It seems too early to introduce a quest like this when the character is just basically a mercenary. It seems to me, a character with non-submissive tendencies should just be sent to deliver a slave to the Embassy. It could even hook in with having the slave die at the party and the character has to escort Ailus back as a replacement. The punishment the character has for misbehaving at the party would logically just get The Master killed at a later date by the character once she gets freed. Frankly maybe even before that since it is implied the master has a device on her which she can control the character. Also, the whole quest is just one big long cut-scene with almost no character interaction. There a also lots of alignment problems the the ZaZ furniture. It also looks like you could set up a subsequent quest with Ailus attempting to get revenge on the character since she cannot directly go after Elenwen. I find it depends on how the quest came about. It fits in well enough if you've done (and most likely failed) some delivery quests as even though you might be annoyed (playing the non submissive) at the devices, you're still in debt and probably plugged and in chasity for a while. Also already had a punishment. So not that much a free merk. But if you haven't, and just done the Falk delivery and then the Embassy, it does seem quite the jump. But you still get the non sub way to play it in the dialogs. Not sure what the CD expansion 'quest' triggers are as opposed to the delivery ones are, could make them dependant. But then you're also making the game more linear. After the delivery quests and what you have to deal with there, either path in the embassy is pretty much expected. Or if not, it's WTF you keep coming back taking these jobs for heh?? You can be taking the jobs and not liking the punishment (non sub), but shouldn't make you want to kill as it was a known 'cost'.
Guest Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 I wondered about the reward after the elenwen-quest. Other than having the items removed, there is none. No money, no nothing! "It wasn't so bad" always gets answered with "I though so", and then Herran starts chiming in about behaving. I'm guessing the quest was never meant to be a biggie, but since it is, what's up with not getting paid or receiving a few hypnotically reassuring words? An apology? Something? All she says is "I have another task for you", which makes me think of a non questlike response "When oblivion freezes over".
Veladarius Posted January 4, 2015 Author Posted January 4, 2015 Hi all , I have run into a slight problem when you go to the vip house with master and heron ,master talks to miss delius about erani then they call erani but there is no sign of her she never turns up ,you just stand there with folded arms waiting for ever .I am sorry if this has been discussed before and I have missed the post but is there a code to advance this stage, I also looked at the menu at the erani quest and it says quest not started quick and dirty way to solve this is to go to the menu enable player controls and run a little way up the stairs erani then appears and continues on downstairs you'll need to get back in place and disable player controls for the scene to continue also Vel I'm looking to add some of the extra armours and you say in the spoiler for the Dark Disciple armour it requires the standalone version but I'm using CBBE bodyslide would the bodyslide version work or not? I enabled player controls using ZaZ and ran up the stairs to find Erani, but she still never appears. I looked around the entire manor and she doesn't appear. What's going wrong? Check the MCM menu and see if Erani's menu shows now, if so use it to move her to you otherwise use the reset for her then move her. Hi Veladarius, Erani's options haven't appeared just yet, and I can't see an option for Erani in the "Reset Options". I apologize if I'm being a derp, but how do I reset and move her? Erani has her own page in the MCM menu (last one in CD). If it is blank check the following: - Check that the stage on quest 4 is at stage 400 (at least), use SQV CDxExpQuest04 in the console to find out. - If so then check CDxDiaErani (with SQV) and it should be at stage 10, if not (and the other quest is at stage 400 or better) then set CDxDiaErani to stage 10.
Veladarius Posted January 4, 2015 Author Posted January 4, 2015 I wondered about the reward after the elenwen-quest. Other than having the items removed, there is none. No money, no nothing! "It wasn't so bad" always gets answered with "I though so", and then Herran starts chiming in about behaving. I'm guessing the quest was never meant to be a biggie, but since it is, what's up with not getting paid or receiving a few hypnotically reassuring words? An apology? Something? All she says is "I have another task for you", which makes me think of a non questlike response "When oblivion freezes over". I could have sworn I had something in there to pay the player. I know I changed the end dialogue several times so it may have been part of what was removed and not replaced. It was not intended.
Veladarius Posted January 4, 2015 Author Posted January 4, 2015 I see. I set it to 50 and then it worked, but, I figure I'm cheating pretty hard there. What is the 'appropriate' amount of real time you're supposed to have to get to the buyer? I assume it takes distance into consideration. Say the target is in Whiterun, for example? it means if you go there straight without any detours you should have enough time to deal with thugs and be on time. With a decent time margin. and if you use your own horse you should have a decent chance for early bonus. as i understand it if you deliver in less than 9 minutes real time to falkreath it should be considered early - 3 hours gametime on timescale 20. Should be easly doable even on foot. Set the scale in the MCM menu to 20, less than that will cause you to be late as soon as it starts. All the locations have different times to get there, the early times range from 3 to 8 hours while the late times range from 9 to 24 hours. I timed myself on these runs taking the shortest path on the main roads on foot, the early times are pretty close to that time. If you are on horseback it is possible to be on time even if you are beaten by the bandits and are able to recover the delivery but it depends on where they go and hide out.
zensunniwanderer Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 I am getting repeatable CTD in Elenwen's Dungeon after 'the party'. I tried disabling a few mods but the result is the same. Absolutely wonderful quest by the way! I don't see anything generating errors that would cause a crash, make sure you have the latest version of ZAZ since the x frame is now in use in the cell next to yours (that is the only difference from your earlier visit). Updated and still getting CTD, thankfully they are infrequent and thus bearable. I've installed a few other mods like sex slaves so I'm not at all surprised it's happening. Thanks again for putting so much work into this. I absolutely loathe Master and it has made me hate the Thalmor in the embassy even more, any character who can make me dislike them that much is very well designed.
Logarek Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 Hi Veladarius, Erani's options haven't appeared just yet, and I can't see an option for Erani in the "Reset Options". I apologize if I'm being a derp, but how do I reset and move her? Erani has her own page in the MCM menu (last one in CD). If it is blank check the following: - Check that the stage on quest 4 is at stage 400 (at least), use SQV CDxExpQuest04 in the console to find out. - If so then check CDxDiaErani (with SQV) and it should be at stage 10, if not (and the other quest is at stage 400 or better) then set CDxDiaErani to stage 10. Ok, baby steps here. The Stage on Quest 4 is currently 410. The CDxDiaErani is currently at stage 0, you said to change this to stage 10. What you didn't tell me was how to change CDxDiaErani to stage 10, how do I do this? What's the exact input I need to use?
Veladarius Posted January 4, 2015 Author Posted January 4, 2015 Hi Veladarius, Erani's options haven't appeared just yet, and I can't see an option for Erani in the "Reset Options". I apologize if I'm being a derp, but how do I reset and move her? Erani has her own page in the MCM menu (last one in CD). If it is blank check the following: - Check that the stage on quest 4 is at stage 400 (at least), use SQV CDxExpQuest04 in the console to find out. - If so then check CDxDiaErani (with SQV) and it should be at stage 10, if not (and the other quest is at stage 400 or better) then set CDxDiaErani to stage 10. Ok, baby steps here. The Stage on Quest 4 is currently 410. The CDxDiaErani is currently at stage 0, you said to change this to stage 10. What you didn't tell me was how to change CDxDiaErani to stage 10, how do I do this? What's the exact input I need to use? Setstage CDxDiaErani 10
D_ManXX2 Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 Is this mod only playable when pc is female or can this be used as male pc too ??
aqqh Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 For now i would say that playing as female would likely be more enjoyable.
Verstort Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 This mod was never intended for Male characters, and you can still play it with a male character, but I guess there is some special dialog for male characters to get around the differences in DD for the male gender. http://www.loverslab.com/topic/23844-devious-devices-captured-dreams-shop-updated-12-19-2014/page-363?do=findComment&comment=1020015
Veladarius Posted January 4, 2015 Author Posted January 4, 2015 There is male/female dialogue in the Expansion quests currently but not really any place else, I am adding more though.
Slorm Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 @Vel Small request on the delivery quest. Could there be a toggle option to switch off the dialogue that enables the mission to be run without a belt. At the moment there's an odd clash between what the player finds fun (wearing the belt) but from a roleplay point of view no pc in their right mind would elect to wear the belt if they didn't have to. It's very minor so don't worry about it if it's a problem, I'll just pretend I can't read the line
xTrogdorx Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 @Vel Small request on the delivery quest. Could there be a toggle option to switch off the dialogue that enables the mission to be run without a belt. At the moment there's an odd clash between what the player finds fun (wearing the belt) but from a roleplay point of view no pc in their right mind would elect to wear the belt if they didn't have to. It's very minor so don't worry about it if it's a problem, I'll just pretend I can't read the line I think this entire mod requires the point of view that the PC isn't really right in the head
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