[idea] Sobbing after rape?

[galadreal]

not to be all naysay here, but the sobbing does not make sense with the voices going on during the rape scenes anyway.  My dragonborn seems to enjoy herself well enough no matter what, which is a bit disturbing with some of her partners.  There is no sex voice for females (or men that i know of) that does not make them sound like they are enjoying it.  Other than the estrus mod there is no wimpering or crying, or begging/demanding to stop.  Just lots of moans.

[shinji72]

Yes but that (the generic voice) will presumably change also sometimes in the future.

Anyway we are not talking of imposing the sobbing on every guy/gal who signs on the Loverlab.

It just an option. Especially suited in my opinion for player who enjoy Role playing and creating their own story while playing. 
 

[galadreal]

Yes but that (the generic voice) will presumably change also sometimes in the future.

Anyway we are not talking of imposing the sobbing on every guy/gal who signs on the Loverlab.

It just an option. Especially suited in my opinion for player who enjoy Role playing and creating their own story while playing. 

 

 

I don't mean that I disagree with this suggestion, I just mean that the idea is a good one, but I don't think it goes far enough.  Like I said, my dragonborn seems to enjoy every dick that is thrown at her, Even if she would be the type to decapitate the user of said dick afterwards.  I just was saying that in my opinion it would be nice to have alternate non-enjoying voices for rape scenes.  I have alot of opinions, they get me in trouble sometimes. 

 

But seriously, my low level dragonborn must be really into bestiality and dead guys, ever since I got the Defeat mod she just keeps throwing herself into the wilds or into Druager filled dungeons... *eyebrow waggle*

[Nairos]

Ditto for male PCs. My guy is getting unlucky with his foes quite often, but you can't really tell from listening to him.. Would be awesome to get fitting vocal sounds and face expressions to go with the animations!

[Guffel]

There is already one mod that alters the SexLab voices to be more rape like, but they still aren´t seriously terryfied or screaming in pain, but at least it makes it better to imagine the victim isn´t enjoying the rape.

 

It think we are shifting the focus of the OP a bit to a greater mod, that gives all the aggressive sex the terryfying atmosphere it shall have. That  is something I always missed. Since the same voices are used for consensual and aggressive sex we would need a extra set of rape vocals with cies for help, screams, crying, etc. Also a better ending then ragdoll would be nessesary too, in my eyes, instead of just sobbing. Lying of the floor, crawling away, going in fetal position or huging the own legs and everything whiles crying or sobbing are just some ideas.

[pinky6225]

 

there is some sobbing in the ESTRUS mod...after the rape is over u can see 2-3 facial expresions switching  for some minutes

 

But the problem with Estrus is that it is derived from tentacle porn.

 

And in tentacle porn even if the female is unwilling at first she is generally having a good time by the end and ends by climaxing so hard she has no strength left when its over.

 

That's what Estrus implemented with their ending scene, a woman who climaxed so hard that she had to rest and catch her breath for a few minutes.

 

I do like the idea for stealing for drunken animations from Realistic Needs and Diseases, including the haze effect that makes it really hard to see (and changing what the player can see so drastically should also drastically change how the player views what is happening/has happened on screen. I would almost suggest starting the haze during the rape and not afterwards, I know that SexLab allows you to find out which stage of sex you are on). Just make the character lay on the ground longer and have to stammer around longer when getting up while adding in sobbing/wailing sounds every time the player trips to the ground.

 

If only finals weren't this week.

 

 

I had Estru installed (for a little while, it doesn't seem very stable -atleast for me anyway) and this post face covering with arm scene

 

 

Doesn't make me think of exhaustion

[BoozeJunky]

I'd also like to say this is a very good idea for a mod, someone definitely needs to make it.  I always felt the whole points of mods like these was to make the game as real as possible.  My character has long since stopped being a 'character' and is a person in her own right, with wants and needs, fears and desires, and if she get's ambushed by a group of thugs in a back alley, you can bet she'll fight like a demon to get out of there, because the consequences of doing otherwise are unthinkable.  That I find is the point of mods like this, not to fulfill the desires of fetishists, but to add real consequences.

 

 

Yeah, rape is not (in any sense) a fetish or turn on for me, which is why I have avoided rape mods for Skyrim. However, I'm all for immersion and adding to the dynamics of the world, and so a mod like what is being discussed here would help make mods like SexLab Submit fulfill and fit well into a Skyrim world where sexual encounters have been enabled and normalized.

 

It always really bothered me in SexOut for New Vegas how a "rape" would result in my character getting hot and bothered, taking on crazy sexual positions, moaning in extacy, and then walking away from the encounter casually. No... rape is a highly traumatic event, and it should (at least have the option to) be treated as such. Making it one would add a lot of great options for role playing, revenge scenarios, etc.

[sikamikanico78]

 

 

there is some sobbing in the ESTRUS mod...after the rape is over u can see 2-3 facial expresions switching  for some minutes

 

But the problem with Estrus is that it is derived from tentacle porn.

 

And in tentacle porn even if the female is unwilling at first she is generally having a good time by the end and ends by climaxing so hard she has no strength left when its over.

 

That's what Estrus implemented with their ending scene, a woman who climaxed so hard that she had to rest and catch her breath for a few minutes.

 

I do like the idea for stealing for drunken animations from Realistic Needs and Diseases, including the haze effect that makes it really hard to see (and changing what the player can see so drastically should also drastically change how the player views what is happening/has happened on screen. I would almost suggest starting the haze during the rape and not afterwards, I know that SexLab allows you to find out which stage of sex you are on). Just make the character lay on the ground longer and have to stammer around longer when getting up while adding in sobbing/wailing sounds every time the player trips to the ground.

 

If only finals weren't this week.

 

 

I had Estru installed (for a little while, it doesn't seem very stable -atleast for me anyway) and this post face covering with arm scene

 

 

Doesn't make me think of exhaustion

 

the facial expressions i am talking about are after that scene when she gets up from the floor...

[scatcat101]

Intresting idea. Although if you play multiple characters with different personalities, then you may have one or two that aren't so soft that they sob and cry afterwards.

 

Also seems kinda silly. When a dragon breathes fire on you or... you get whacked with a gigantic mace you have no problem with it, but you get raped and suddenly you have a river of tears coming out your eyes? I know I'm getting technical here but if intense flames and cold steel can't make you cry, why should rape?

 

That said, would be neat if the mod handled battles too. Maybe if it detects how much life you lose or something like that and gives you an exhaustion debuff or.... I dunno something. Or if it was a lengthly battle and your health went down passed a certain percentage multiple times, your character could most likely be sobbing after that. Of course the same still applies to rape and stuph.

 

It would just feel really awkward for me anyways if my character cries after being raped, but not after being beaten half to death.

 

My two cents.

[Pwishy]

I really like this idea, as rape in Skyrim always felt a little lacking.

 

Perhaps a mix of sob and shortness of breath/heavy panting, rather than all out weep.

 

I second the idea someone posted earlier about your character trying to crawl away, it feels more appropriate. I reckon in the world of Skyrim, survival is the primary concern; the bandit that has just finished raping you is probably going to kill you and take your things.

 

Perhaps the only time IMO that the victim would just lay motionless post rape is if the rapist were a huge, frightening monster, say a frost troll. The victim would probably be too paralyzed with fear and trauma that she couldn't try to run away.

 

Then again, I like to play my PC as an actual character with real fears and responses, so maybe this is over thinking it .

[dinomagick]

 

That is a pretty nice idea, considering it would be more immersive than walking away after being raped like "Oh... well okay, You just raped me. Hope you liked it and please come again!".

 

I just think that a mod like this needs a rather good animation and convincing sound, else it might be pretty awkward.

 

Indeed! however i don't think, at first, it needs a animation. As for the sound i could try to record it myself lol ^.^

 

Oh and this : http://www.sounddogs.com/results.asp?Type=1&CategoryID=1033&SubcategoryID=8

 

 

I listened to some of these, and there are a couple that really sound like it would work.   Creating a 'sobbing' animation really wouldn't be too bad, Zaz has some animations that kind of fit already, could make them work with it... it's triggering the right scripts after a rape and somehow making the attackers not try to kill the PC after the fact....

[Vuulgar]

This is a great idea although it seems anything that would make you stay at the scene, such as kneeling and sobbing, will get you killed for sure. I liked the idea I read earlier about covering particular arreas. Something like wiping across her mouth with her forearm as she runs from an oral attack, hand on butt or crotch could all be done while running.

[Cymri]

This is a great idea although it seems anything that would make you stay at the scene, such as kneeling and sobbing, will get you killed for sure. I liked the idea I read earlier about covering particular arreas. Something like wiping across her mouth with her forearm as she runs from an oral attack, hand on butt or crotch could all be done while running.

 

http://www.loverslab.com/files/file/412-coverselfspellv10/

 

[geren]

you could also add a secondary effect to the lovers victim so that when you try to sleep while its up it would take you to a dreamscape area like in Sanguine Debauchery

where you would relive the last rape... and instead of rested or well rested you would get a debuff of some sort

yes yes my english is bad i know

[just_Gina]

Intresting idea. Although if you play multiple characters with different personalities, then you may have one or two that aren't so soft that they sob and cry afterwards.

 

Also seems kinda silly. When a dragon breathes fire on you or... you get whacked with a gigantic mace you have no problem with it, but you get raped and suddenly you have a river of tears coming out your eyes? I know I'm getting technical here but if intense flames and cold steel can't make you cry, why should rape?

 

That said, would be neat if the mod handled battles too. Maybe if it detects how much life you lose or something like that and gives you an exhaustion debuff or.... I dunno something. Or if it was a lengthly battle and your health went down passed a certain percentage multiple times, your character could most likely be sobbing after that. Of course the same still applies to rape and stuph.

 

It would just feel really awkward for me anyways if my character cries after being raped, but not after being beaten half to death.

 

My two cents.

 

Rape is not in any way or form similar to combat. I agree that being pummeled by a mace or burned by a dragon would be extraordinarily painful, but the aftermath of losing that fight would be death. No emotional response possible. Survive it and screams of pain would be more than likely. And while women's reactions to a rape vary greatly, I would venture to say the majority would have a river of tears coming out of their eyes. Fear of, and rage at the attacker, rage for being made afraid, anger because somehow someway you could have avoided, stopped, caused...whatever. The reasons are legion. 

 

That said, I agree that it would be a neat effect to have after fights. The release of emotion after escaping death either by victory or flight would and does cause many to shed tears. Watch the interviews right after a team wins/ loses a championship game and see how many of them cry. Why would it be any different, especially when what is at stake actually matters. People show strong emotion in many ways with tears being one of them.

We all envision and experience our PCs differently, so there is room for all kinds of reactions to what we allow to happen to them. A big thanks to all the generous modders out there who make it possible.

[juliojakers]

It's gonna be awkward if the Rapist is Female to Male char, then the Male char is sobbing for lose his Virginity..

LOL..

But it's pretty good Idea..

[BoozeJunky]

 

I listened to some of these, and there are a couple that really sound like it would work.   Creating a 'sobbing' animation really wouldn't be too bad, Zaz has some animations that kind of fit already, could make them work with it... it's triggering the right scripts after a rape and somehow making the attackers not try to kill the PC after the fact....

 

 

Could you do it by creating a scene that plays after the rape animations finish in which the aggressors walk away while the PC is writhing on the ground, fade out - then are disabled or have their hostility reset and then moved a distance away from the player. Maybe you could use that as the start of a radiant questline for revenge where you either report the crime to the hold's guards or you track them down yourself and kill them.

 

Is it possible to create a scene that involves randomly generated bandits, or would each participant in the scene have to be a fully aliased actor?

[Guest]

 

 

I listened to some of these, and there are a couple that really sound like it would work.   Creating a 'sobbing' animation really wouldn't be too bad, Zaz has some animations that kind of fit already, could make them work with it... it's triggering the right scripts after a rape and somehow making the attackers not try to kill the PC after the fact....

 

 

Could you do it by creating a scene that plays after the rape animations finish in which the aggressors walk away while the PC is writhing on the ground, fade out - then are disabled or have their hostility reset and then moved a distance away from the player. Maybe you could use that as the start of a radiant questline for revenge where you either report the crime to the hold's guards or you track them down yourself and kill them.

 

Is it possible to create a scene that involves randomly generated bandits, or would each participant in the scene have to be a fully aliased actor?

 

I support this idea. In most rape mods you are attacked instantly after the rape, which means they will kill you for sure if you are locked in a sobbing animation, laying there vulnerable on the ground. It's already hard to escape as it is.

[h38fh2mf]

It would be possible to make a mod where if you are raped then the rapist and his friends nearby get added calm spell or a package that makes them stop combat and travel away if that's what you want. I don't think the traveling is a good idea because where does a draugr travel but the calm is a good idea. If you are already in no condition to fight back there is no reason to continue combat and kill you.

[Chaos63]

This topic reminds me why I love LL as much as I do.

Carry on.

[geren]

 

I support this idea. In most rape mods you are attacked instantly after the rape, which means they will kill you for sure if you are locked in a sobbing animation, laying there vulnerable on the ground. It's already hard to escape as it is.

 

 

actualy only defeat does that, both submit and sanguine debauchery put you in bound situation

Edit: also i was just thinking that theres a reason why

the newest sexlab aroused experimental 12.12.2013 has a "Addicted - Arousal 90+ and Time rate 90+ : skills improve 80% slower" debuf

im not entirely shure that someone whit that debuf when ecountering some bandits is thinking about fighting at all

and how would that would take sobbing into account

[WaxenFigure]

Been working on fixes for some problems in the Hentai Creatures mod, added this line to what the actors do after whichever beast finishes with them:

 

debug.SendAnimationEvent(victim,"IdleChildCryingStart")

 

That animation doesn't seem limited to being played on just children so it works

 

 

 

 

 

 

Animation is there, need a DDS file with tears on the face so it can be applied much like the cum shots are applied.

[shinji72]

This is a major discovery! 
Ashal could be interested in that. He's looking into some new animation for the ending stage, in place of the ragdolling... 

[Frost Crow]

Huge find with that crying animation.

[OodlesOfDoodles]

It would be possible to make a mod where if you are raped then the rapist and his friends nearby get added calm spell or a package that makes them stop combat and travel away if that's what you want. I don't think the traveling is a good idea because where does a draugr travel but the calm is a good idea. If you are already in no condition to fight back there is no reason to continue combat and kill you.

 

http://www.loverslab.com/topic/18950-sexlabutil1/ has the option to add effects at the beginning/end of sex, based on either consensual or victim/aggressor. 

So you can set a 100% chance of a calm effect on aggressor at the end of sex, so if you're raped your aggressor won't attack at the end of it. Though it only applies it to those directly involved.