[idea] Sobbing after rape?

[Guest Jezzy]

I am not good at modding but I understand some mods or even SL framework itself add a victim flag to a character victim of a rape. For immersive sake, it could be very interesting to add a sobbing sound effect or even weep on the victim face for a little time after a rape. Is it possible for a seasonned modder to create this simple (i guess) yet immersive SL plugin?

 

Thanks

[Kyubi]

That is a pretty nice idea, considering it would be more immersive than walking away after being raped like "Oh... well okay, You just raped me. Hope you liked it and please come again!".

 

I just think that a mod like this needs a rather good animation and convincing sound, else it might be pretty awkward.

[h38fh2mf]

"Have you seen those warriors from Hammerfell? They've got curved swords. Curved. Swords."

 

What's wrong with this after rape?

[Guest Jezzy]

That is a pretty nice idea, considering it would be more immersive than walking away after being raped like "Oh... well okay, You just raped me. Hope you liked it and please come again!".

 

I just think that a mod like this needs a rather good animation and convincing sound, else it might be pretty awkward.

 

Indeed! however i don't think, at first, it needs a animation. As for the sound i could try to record it myself lol ^.^

 

Oh and this : http://www.sounddogs.com/results.asp?Type=1&CategoryID=1033&SubcategoryID=8

[shinji72]

Could be an idea for an ending sex sequence animation to be put in place of the ragdolling (which is not working nice with TFC).

I think there is even a vanilla "sorrow" animation with people hiding their face into their hands. Am I wrong?

[ghost421]

omg lmfao.. the like fourth one down lol its so funny to picture her crying in a draugar dungeon over a little thing like rape lol its like a cry thats sound like its over something petty like someone stole your crayon. 

"but...why did you rape me ?"

"because you were wearing skimpy armor!" lol

you guys crack me up

[Kimeyra]

omg lmfao.. the like fourth one down lol its so funny to picture her crying in a draugar dungeon over a little thing like rape lol its like a cry thats sound like its over something petty like someone stole your crayon. 

"but...why did you rape me ?"

"because you were wearing skimpy armor!" lol

you guys crack me up

 

And you're annoying me. The like fourth one down lol is a man crying btw.

[rylasasin]

To expand a bit:

 

Also the same for non-rape. Only instead of crying (that wouldn't make sense) some other animation relative to the sex type you just received, and some light moaning.

 

Example: 

 

(Oral): The receiver (and maybe the giver) licks her lips as they get up, pushing the dribbles up to her lips and cleaning themselves up.

 

(Vaginal), the woman puts a hand over the vagina, then over their stomache. OR a kiss.

 

(Anal), the receiver feels their butt a bit.

 

threesome: A three way kiss (similiar to the beginning but with both of them kissing)

 

 

[Ashra XIII]

I kinda like the idea of their being something after a rape, though not everyone necessarily pictures their big tough Dragonborn sobbing in the corner just because she was violated.

 

Still, it has struck me as odd when, after starting a new character with the Working Girl mod active, she got raped a few times when attempting to solicit sex. What does one even do in such a situation? I had hoped there would at least be a follow-up dialogue to demand payment or something, but there's just nothing, and of course if I attack them, the guards will slaughter me.

[Kyubi]

I kinda like the idea of their being something after a rape, though not everyone necessarily pictures their big tough Dragonborn sobbing in the corner just because she was violated.

 

Sobbing just because she got violated? I know what you want to say and that it's not necessarily your opinion but seriously... being raped is one of the most horrible things I could think of and I know that I'd definetely do more than just sobbing if it happened to me. So everyone who has a female PC should keep in mind that even though she might be a tough fighter and all that, she still is a woman and as such very vulnerable to the stress that comes with getting raped (and I am not talking about the physical stuff here since that is not even the worst part about it).

 

I don't want to sound like a dramaqueen or make myself sound more important or anything. But a friend of mine experienced rape herself before and she still is mentally scarred even though it happened quite a few years ago. She still has big problems with trusting male persons who want to get close to her (not even romantically but in terms of friendship) and avoids any situation that could get her very close to rather naked men (for example swimming pools and anything like that).

 

I know that it isn't this "bad" with every girl on earth and of course a mod like this should not cause any depressing mood. Yet anybody who considers sobbing after rape exaggerated or unrealistic in any way should rethink this idea, especially because this mod is all about immersion to my knowledge. There's always the possibility to either not download the mod or (probably) to disable those elements.

[Ashra XIII]

Hey I'm not trying to minimize the impact of rape or anything here. Just because it's never happened to me doesn't mean I don't understand.

 

But we're talking about someone who gets cut, smashed, burned, frozen, lightningingning'd and so forth. Who faces down creatures who were only supposed to be legend and could, by all rights, swallow her whole after flash-roasting her. There's a lot more to sob about even before mods introduced rape to the equation.

 

Again, I'd like for there to be some effect, for sure. The mod Lover's Victim has started to add that in, but so far it's just health regeneration penalties, which doesn't quite feel serious enough to me given the source.

[Guest]

Good idea! I dobled it.

[panthercom]

 When presented in these terms, it's sounds like annoyance and disgust would be the best reaction after rape.

 Maybe she'd walk bowlegged for a bit.

That would be totally fine with me as I see my character as a really tough cookie who'd go after the rapist with

a strap-on if she had the opportunity to take revenge.

This kind of thing needs some options; foetal postion/sobbing vs. "That fucking hurt! watch your back, you bastard!"

 

Hey I'm not trying to minimize the impact of rape or anything here. Just because it's never happened to me doesn't mean I don't understand.

 

But we're talking about someone who gets cut, smashed, burned, frozen, lightningingning'd and so forth. Who faces down creatures who were only supposed to be legend and could, by all rights, swallow her whole after flash-roasting her. There's a lot more to sob about even before mods introduced rape to the equation.

 

Again, I'd like for there to be some effect, for sure. The mod Lover's Victim has started to add that in, but so far it's just health regeneration penalties, which doesn't quite feel serious enough to me given the source.

 

[Kyubi]

Hey I'm not trying to minimize the impact of rape or anything here. Just because it's never happened to me doesn't mean I don't understand.

 

But we're talking about someone who gets cut, smashed, burned, frozen, lightningingning'd and so forth. Who faces down creatures who were only supposed to be legend and could, by all rights, swallow her whole after flash-roasting her. There's a lot more to sob about even before mods introduced rape to the equation.

 

Again, I'd like for there to be some effect, for sure. The mod Lover's Victim has started to add that in, but so far it's just health regeneration penalties, which doesn't quite feel serious enough to me given the source.

 

As I said, I did not accuse you of minimising the consequences of rape. I know that you just illustrated how people CAN think about their character and how she would handle rape.

 

Yet you can't really compare the impact of getting hurt by weapons or anything similar to the impact of rape. Sure, physical pain is a bad thing and I don't want to belittle that but the impact of rape is far worse, measuring the consequences (and not only the as-is state). The situation of somebody violently penetrating your body, humiliating you by making use of you as if you were a mere thing and wielding power over you while there is nothing you could do against it. Believe me, something like that cuts deeper than any sword could ever do (no philosophical pun intended). I guess sobbing would be the LEAST thing anyone would do after that.

 

Considering that most people actually develop a serious psychosis afterwards I'd say that this thought of "my girl character would be the one who immediately go after any rapist with a strap-on" is nowhere near realism for those who care about immersion. But hey, each to their own.

 

If this idea ever becomes an actual mod I hope there are different ways to choose from.

[Ellisande]

 

 

 

As I said, I did not accuse you of minimising the consequences of rape. I know that you just illustrated how people CAN think about their character and how she would handle rape.

 

Yet you can't really compare the impact of getting hurt by weapons or anything similar to the impact of rape. Sure, physical pain is a bad thing and I don't want to belittle that but the impact of rape is far worse, measuring the consequences (and not only the as-is state). The situation of somebody violently penetrating your body, humiliating you by making use of you as if you were a mere thing and wielding power over you while there is nothing you could do against it. Believe me, something like that cuts deeper than any sword could ever do (no philosophical pun intended). I guess sobbing would be the LEAST thing anyone would do after that.

 

Considering that most people actually develop a serious psychosis afterwards I'd say that this thought of "my girl character would be the one who immediately go after any rapist with a strap-on" is nowhere near realism for those who care about immersion. But hey, each to their own.

 

If this idea ever becomes an actual mod I hope there are different ways to choose from.

 

 

I think the same people who can't picture their big tough Dragonbourne sobbing after rape probably hold a view that if were to understand it would lead to a picture of the Dragonbourne who could have never been raped in the first place. And I sort of agree where they are coming from, I can't really see a maximum level fully geared out Arch Magic Knight being raped by a common thief who was just trying to mug a person for the very first time. Thus these are the type of people who view all sex that happens to their character as consensual. And given that the player has to willingly and knowingly install the mods that cause their character to be "raped" then I think we can understand why this type of person is unable to view the rape being produced in the game as actual rape because the willing and knowing installation of the mods makes the sex act ultimately consensual. So this type of person isn't wrong at all to view the "rape" in the game the way they do. I just hope they don't view sex in the real world this way as that would be horrible and completely wrong.

 

If we deconstruct one of the statesment made by a player on two, I think this will all become clearer.

 

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This kind of thing needs some options; foetal postion/sobbing vs. "That fucking hurt! watch your back, you bastard!"

 

 

If we are looking at this from a real world perspective, "That fucking hurt! watch your back, you bastard!" isn't something a person who just got raped would ever be expected to say. Rather this is something that someone would say after sex that turned out to be a little rougher than the sex they thought they were consenting to (which again reflects the consensual nature of installing mobs to see your character get "raped"). But this ultimately contemplates that there was some consent to sex similar in form at least to the sex act that was actually performed. One very well could argue that even this is in fact rape, however it isn't the type of I guess you'd call it "full blown rape" that we are discussing in this thread, where "full blown rape" is completely non consensual in every aspect and where there was or would have been a refusal if the receiver was freely given an option where the receiver would not face or would not think she faced any consequences for refusing and was freely able to do so.

 

If we can separate out our concept of the Dragonbourne as a hero of a videogame who is wearing armor and stats that make her nigh onto a god in a video game where we willfully and knowingly installed mods to see our character have sex in any form we can find it and instead see our character as simply another character in the game world who is just as fallible and mortal as everyone else, then we can see that if the Dragonbourne can actually be raped then she should and would suffer the same mental trauma and feeling of self loathing as you'd expect anyone to be suffering.

 

That being said, I am not sure I really would want a mod or want to know that there exists a mob that tries to make the "rape" in the game feel even more like actual rape rather than the semi-consensual facetious act that it currently is.

[Guffel]

Hi,

That is a really good mod idea, it would add a lot of immersion. Reading this topic i had to think of the Skyrim Estrus animation (these tentacle rape thing^^). It has a after-rape animation of the character lying weakly on the ground catching breath and resting. That is imho a much better ending then ragdoll. Maybe one could get permission for the original estrus animations and make/ add them to a mod.

 

In the discussion of someone don´t wanting their hero to sob after rape: They just shouldn´t install this kind of mod. They have their view, and we have ours.

[panthercom]

 When you add a rape mod to a game like Skyrim, as part of an overall sex mod, rape is

turned into a side-effect of combat. You enter into battle, and you can realistically expect

the loser to get raped, imprisoned and tortured. The evidence of imprisonment and torture

is explicitly represented in the vanilla game. Rape can be implied, given the standard of conduct

within a society.

 

There is no Geneva Convention in the game; there is a framework of civil war, racial hatred,

banditry and perverse and evil Daedra meddling in human affairs. So it's a bit different scenario

when it's the result of losing a battle as opposed to getting jumped on the way home from the tavern.

 

 How differently would an inhabitant of Skyrim who has killed hundreds or thousands in an up close

and personal fashion and faced death on a daily basis view rape, compared to any of us in our

overwhelmingly safe and secure lives (barring the unfortunate victims of current civil conflicts).

 

 Would rape be just another fact of life, like war, disease and death? Would there a societal stigma over

loss of purity for the victim. Would the PTSD caused by it be any more debilitating than the after-effects

of combat? Did Vikings suffer from PTSD? Do the people of Skyrim possess the same sense of self-identity

as modern people, or is it closer to that of ancient societies. I would argue that their society would be

permeated with a fatalistic view of life on the whole. I also think revenge would figure very strongly into

ones way of thinking, especially considering the smouldering resentments lingering after the previous war.

 

 We're still primates at heart, sitting in our soft chairs and secretly wishing we could bash some skulls

and drag some women around by the hair; we play games instead.

[Ellisande]

Thinking about it, I don't really think this would be that difficult. There is already a mod that decreases the time it takes for a player to get up. I'm thinking that this mod could pigtail off of that mod by using a simple check to see if the character initiating it was just raped and if so to use the appropriate sobbing action otherwise to use the normal standup action.

[Ashra XIII]

Hi,

That is a really good mod idea, it would add a lot of immersion. Reading this topic i had to think of the Skyrim Estrus animation (these tentacle rape thing^^). It has a after-rape animation of the character lying weakly on the ground catching breath and resting. That is imho a much better ending then ragdoll. Maybe one could get permission for the original estrus animations and make/ add them to a mod.

 

In the discussion of someone don´t wanting their hero to sob after rape: They just shouldn´t install this kind of mod. They have their view, and we have ours.

 

I really like the animations that come at the end of the Estrus scenes, where the female lays there distraught and weak for awhile, before eventually having to get up and return to business. I'll note, however, that she doesn't cry and sob, she just breathes hard and maybe whimpers a bit (depending on which voice set you have).

 

I must say that I don't want to get into any implications of how harmful rape is in the real world vs what it should be in game, just like I don't want to have similar discussions of murder, which of course happens in vanilla Skyrim all the time. I like the idea of there being negative reactions from the PC caused by rape, and I think it'd be best if the discussion was kept to coming up with various ideas for how that would work. That's all my initial comment about sobbing was meant to be... I don't necessarily think I'd like my character to be sobbing (depending on the personality I'm playing), but I wouldn't mind it as an option if there were other options, because I could see myself playing a character who WOULD sob.

[sikamikanico78]

there is some sobbing in the ESTRUS mod...after the rape is over u can see 2-3 facial expresions switching  for some minutes

[shinji72]

There is also a nice effect which is applied by Realistic Needs and disease when you're drunk.

The more you're drunk the more you start getting unbalanced when you walk or run. It's very nice because you are still moving the PC but you've to be a bit more cautious, because he/she is acting erratic. Sometimes the Pc stop to regain balance, sometimes he/she falls to the ground, quite dramatically (if there is a cliff nearby)

 

It think would fit very well not just a drunken, but also a shocked character. And will help visualize the cooldown after rape effect.

 

I hate when you're supposed to have a malus -50% skill/regenation/whatsoever but your PC is moving, running and jumping as usual.

 

[Guffel]

There is also a nice effect which is applied by Realistic Needs and disease when you're drunk.

The more you're drunk the more you start getting unbalanced when you walk or run. It's very nice because you are still moving the PC but you've to be a bit more cautious, because he/she is acting erratic. Sometimes the Pc stop to regain balance, sometimes he/she falls to the ground, quite dramatically (if there is a cliff nearby)

 

It think would fit very well not just a drunken, but also a shocked character. And will help visualize the cooldown after rape effect.

 

I hate when you're supposed to have a malus -50% skill/regenation/whatsoever but your PC is moving, running and jumping as usual.

I agree with that. It`s a simple way to add more effect. I would rather like a mod adding "only" effects then gameplay changes like the malus on stamina or health regen. It would be more for the eye and atmosphere and doesn´t give you a handicap and most rape mods like deafed, submit or SD have you at low health to start the rape, so it isn´t nessesary to give you more disadvantage. I already think it is sometimes difficult to get away afterwarts.

[Ellisande]

there is some sobbing in the ESTRUS mod...after the rape is over u can see 2-3 facial expresions switching  for some minutes

 

But the problem with Estrus is that it is derived from tentacle porn.

 

And in tentacle porn even if the female is unwilling at first she is generally having a good time by the end and ends by climaxing so hard she has no strength left when its over.

 

That's what Estrus implemented with their ending scene, a woman who climaxed so hard that she had to rest and catch her breath for a few minutes.

 

I do like the idea for stealing for drunken animations from Realistic Needs and Diseases, including the haze effect that makes it really hard to see (and changing what the player can see so drastically should also drastically change how the player views what is happening/has happened on screen. I would almost suggest starting the haze during the rape and not afterwards, I know that SexLab allows you to find out which stage of sex you are on). Just make the character lay on the ground longer and have to stammer around longer when getting up while adding in sobbing/wailing sounds every time the player trips to the ground.

 

If only finals weren't this week.

[shinji72]

Yes although I would avoid the haze/blur effect. Maybe is realistic... in a way to portray the dizziness and confusinal state of mind of the PC after the ordeal... But we are talking of the sexlab framework here! I think most people would like to see as clearly as possible what is happening on screen 

 

[Tyron]

 Would rape be just another fact of life, like war, disease and death? Would there a societal stigma over

loss of purity for the victim. Would the PTSD caused by it be any more debilitating than the after-effects

of combat? Did Vikings suffer from PTSD? Do the people of Skyrim possess the same sense of self-identity

as modern people, or is it closer to that of ancient societies. I would argue that their society would be

permeated with a fatalistic view of life on the whole. I also think revenge would figure very strongly into

ones way of thinking, especially considering the smouldering resentments lingering after the previous war.

 

As far as the Vikings and other medieval warriors go, no, there was never any PTSD.  However, they were frequently haunted by the ghosts of men they had slain, and partook in a number of different rituals designed to purge these evil spirits from their homes and minds.  They just didn't call it PTSD and therapy like we do today. 

 

I'd also like to say this is a very good idea for a mod, someone definitely needs to make it.  I always felt the whole points of mods like these was to make the game as real as possible.  My character has long since stopped being a 'character' and is a person in her own right, with wants and needs, fears and desires, and if she get's ambushed by a group of thugs in a back alley, you can bet she'll fight like a demon to get out of there, because the consequences of doing otherwise are unthinkable.  That I find is the point of mods like this, not to fulfill the desires of fetishists, but to add real consequences.