(WiP) A prostitution and player slavery mod 0.10.2c

[Heromaster]

Hey people,

 

I just want to tell that I'm currently experiencing massive problems with the internet. That makes my communication with CGi and you all very difficult at the moment. I hope, they are fixed before the weekend.

 

I couldn't work as much as I wanted on the next part and it probably takes awhile. Unforseen problems with the CK and such adding up to the delay. Sorry

[JahReit]

 

And if you call yourself old at that age, then you call Hero and me the same as we're the same generation and despite a few months, the same age.

 

i know how i sounded like, but i was and still am serious.

Now get your "old" braincells back to work, so they do at least something usefull once, before you pass out.

 

Last time I did any programming was at least 15 years ago, but even with the limitations we had then you could make a modular, also called a cell, that that could be tested independently to see if it worked.  If it did then it could be "hooked" to the main program and if made right would always work the way it should.  Then other cells could call that cell or any cell in the program as needed without a problem. Things, programming, have changed a lot since then, but I can't help think  similar cells could be made for animations now.  I don't know about anyone else, but the animations keep breaking, getting out of sync, NPCs get up for whatever reason while the PC continues with the proper animation, not to mention moving to a stationary object to play the animation, PC and NPC with half to all there bodies in that object.  I haven't fooled around with CK nor Auto desk (I have maya, don't even know if that would work with skyrim animations) but from what I've read Bethesda has given players a half-box of crayons to work with.  Point is, I don't know if animations can be linked/tied so they work as one instead separate and uncontrollable. If they can be "tied" then some seriously great anims could be made.  Also, again I don't know for sure, but the limitations for slots should be extendable by sub-link or multiples within a slot??? And a "call" for a specific anim in a specific situation with the correct audio?

As to cultures, within a skyrim type culture, private orgies or, if we're looking at Bethesda's pitiful attempt to add female bandits to a bandit group, then public orgies (females would be treated a chattle, or as the grey-mane woman said, "...cattle" or was it that other women, or both?).  A female captive, well I think you know what would happen to her - party time!

Yes, I know someone can point to the exception where women were warriors, but these were EXCEPTIONS brought on by necessity, not the norm.  Until recently, very recently, women were treated as second-class citizens, and quite a few cultures still maintain that attitude (especially warrior cultures).  Don't let western ideas, or Bethesda's, fool you. Women are the weaker sex - I know I'll get hate for that, but it's true. And don't point out the exception.  That's like digging in the trash behind a fancy restaurant saying, "there is one good piece of meat in there, I just know it".  Oops, someone else said that, not me.

Other things I could add to a skyrim genre culture, but enough for now.  Let me know if there is anything else, but maybe LL mail would be better.  I might really offend insecure people.

[Hanshin]

well you have animated sex in this mod with your clients/guests. but well they always dont like it, it dont matter for the quest since you did it, but well :/ would be cool to know at which status the people stop complaining about you ^^

[JahReit]

well you have animated sex in this mod with your clients/guests. but well they always dont like it, it dont matter for the quest since you did it, but well :/ would be cool to know at which status the people stop complaining about you ^^

Ah Hanshin, they never quit complaining.  Take my ex wife...PLEASE!

[CGi]

Don't let western ideas, or Bethesda's, fool you. Women are the weaker sex - I know I'll get hate for that, but it's true. And don't point out the exception.  That's like digging in the trash behind a fancy restaurant saying, "there is one good piece of meat in there, I just know it".  Oops, someone else said that, not me.

Other things I could add to a skyrim genre culture, but enough for now.  Let me know if there is anything else, but maybe LL mail would be better.  I might really offend insecure people.

Woman are weaker and it's proven, as f.e. an untrained men as 40% more strength in it's hand then a female athlet.

Only feminists tell you different, based on their blindness developed from pure hate.

 

But aside from that: We only need ideas for the prices for whores and maybe some suiting dialogue, that's based on it. And all of this ofc based on how it was in medieval times.

Simply due to the fact that there is already sexist dialoge in the vanilla game and that woman were treated as property and low life (regarding to the christians from those times, a stone was worth more then a woman, so i don't understand how feminists can be pro christianity), there will be such content.

To spoil a little bit:

 

 

You can be dominant or submissive to the max. All depending on the players choices.

 

 

 

We're not going to make a mod, that's based on so many real-life facts, that it's no game anymore. if someone wants to play the female hulk, that's OK with us. it's a fantasy game and if someone wants an world full of amazon warriors: fine with us. it's all a matter of personal taste.

[Hanshin]

i will continue test your mod and give feedback, from title you plan enslavement, also we know a bit about the not implemented quest yet. But what about forced prostitution, maybe possible from hulda itself, aka if you refuse to work as prostitute since she can inform the guards...

 

Something like you are forced to wait for the customers in the "chamber".

[JahReit]

I have a great scenario, I think. You know how Belethor is always saying, "If I had a sister I'd sell her ...".  How about one of the option branches have Hulda telling your female character something like, "Belethor need someone to try on some his new shipment of clothes and I thought of you.  Don't know why he's paying so much, but so what?".  Of course Belethor's clothes are bondage and you find yourself on an auction block in the back room or attic.  He would then say, "remember what I said about selling my sister?  Well, hello sister."  

Just a thought.

Concerning the price for whoring, it should be 2 1/2 to 3 times the price per hour as a tavern wench, plus tips.  Maybe 3 1/2 time since Hulda would certainly have her cut minus tips of course.

[Hanshin]

run into a problem after i tried a new game with the mod, cant get the hulda dialogue, and the quest is not running. tried even to do a clean save, with different mods who could interact deactivated didnt worked so far .

 

maybe someday in the future a restart/debug/clean option like with defeat etc. would help alot.

[cry4me]

run into a problem after i tried a new game with the mod, cant get the hulda dialogue, and the quest is not running. tried even to do a clean save, with different mods who could interact deactivated didnt worked so far .

 

maybe someday in the future a restart/debug/clean option like with defeat etc. would help alot.

It took a few attempts to know what it was that initiated the conversation.  Make sure you are wearing the correct boots and clothes (I'm not sure if you also have to un-arm any weapons)

 

I made this easy for myself by storing / selling everything before starting this quest (otherwise it's hard to tell what boots to wear)

 

But, I'm still having issues starting the sex animations

Before the sex animation, is there a particular dialogue that happens, or do you need to press a particular button (that everyone else knows about from having experience with all the plugins used)

 

These are my plugins used, it seems to run without issue (except for the lack of animation / sex scene)

 

[Hanshin]

the sex animations started before my issues instantly, and i mean the start dialogue from hulda with who i can start the quest when i use sqv apps_controller the quest shows the same disabled, stage 0, priority 99 like somebody posted a few pages before.

 

for you i would suggest changing the load order,

skyrim,

update,

sexlab,

zaz,

devious,

sexlab aroused,

gatti,

then apps.

 

and get fnis, and go to your data folder of skyrim, there you find tools, go to the fnis user thing and run it, press update.

 

Also you need the mods sexlab needs, same goes for zaz, and the other esm like skelletons etc.

 

and read everywhere what else you need to run that mod, in the end you have a longer modlist when i remember right. and all your problems will be solved.

[Heromaster]

 

It took a few attempts to know what it was that initiated the conversation.  Make sure you are wearing the correct boots and clothes (I'm not sure if you also have to un-arm any weapons)

 

I made this easy for myself by storing / selling everything before starting this quest (otherwise it's hard to tell what boots to wear)

 

But, I'm still having issues starting the sex animations

Before the sex animation, is there a particular dialogue that happens, or do you need to press a particular button (that everyone else knows about from having experience with all the plugins used)

 

These are my plugins used, it seems to run without issue (except for the lack of animation / sex scene)

 

plugins.png

 

 

Does the customer follows you? If so, talk to him again to trigger the sex scene. If that doesn't work...well then something is seriously going the wrong way and I will investigate that issue.

 

As for the clothing problem: I have noted it down and we will probably make it clear in the description of the items you need to wear.

 

the sex animations started before my issues instantly, and i mean the start dialogue from hulda with who i can start the quest when i use sqv apps_controller the quest shows the same disabled, stage 0, priority 99 like somebody posted a few pages before.

 

for you i would suggest changing the load order,

skyrim,

update,

sexlab,

zaz,

devious,

sexlab aroused,

gatti,

then apps.

 

and get fnis, and go to your data folder of skyrim, there you find tools, go to the fnis user thing and run it, press update.

 

Also you need the mods sexlab needs, same goes for zaz, and the other esm like skelletons etc.

 

and read everywhere what else you need to run that mod, in the end you have a longer modlist when i remember right. and all your problems will be solved.

 

You don't need Gatti anymore, the meshes and textures are now included in APPS itself. Oh and of right now it is currently not advised to listen to BOSS. APPS should be near the end of your load order. Some people did solved some issues with putting it near the bottom (Especially the APPS_Controller not starting issue).

[lunpokguy]

 

 

It took a few attempts to know what it was that initiated the conversation.  Make sure you are wearing the correct boots and clothes (I'm not sure if you also have to un-arm any weapons)

 

I made this easy for myself by storing / selling everything before starting this quest (otherwise it's hard to tell what boots to wear)

 

But, I'm still having issues starting the sex animations

Before the sex animation, is there a particular dialogue that happens, or do you need to press a particular button (that everyone else knows about from having experience with all the plugins used)

 

These are my plugins used, it seems to run without issue (except for the lack of animation / sex scene)

 

plugins.png

 

 

Does the customer follows you? If so, talk to him again to trigger the sex scene. If that doesn't work...well then something is seriously going the wrong way and I will investigate that issue.

 

As for the clothing problem: I have noted it down and we will probably make it clear in the description of the items you need to wear.

 

the sex animations started before my issues instantly, and i mean the start dialogue from hulda with who i can start the quest when i use sqv apps_controller the quest shows the same disabled, stage 0, priority 99 like somebody posted a few pages before.

 

for you i would suggest changing the load order,

skyrim,

update,

sexlab,

zaz,

devious,

sexlab aroused,

gatti,

then apps.

 

and get fnis, and go to your data folder of skyrim, there you find tools, go to the fnis user thing and run it, press update.

 

Also you need the mods sexlab needs, same goes for zaz, and the other esm like skelletons etc.

 

and read everywhere what else you need to run that mod, in the end you have a longer modlist when i remember right. and all your problems will be solved.

 

You don't need Gatti anymore, the meshes and textures are now included in APPS itself. Oh and of right now it is currently not advised to listen to BOSS. APPS should be near the end of your load order. Some people did solved some issues with putting it near the bottom (Especially the APPS_Controller not starting issue).

 

 

No luck on the suggestions but thanks though. Tried putting APPS near the end of my load order but hasn't changed. I've read in the previous posts that certain clothes are required? I've tried using tavern clothes and boots, still no luck unless i'm mistaken. any other suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks.

 

[cry4me]

Animations worked after adding SkyUI_4_1-3863-4-1

 

Thanks

 

For anyone interested, and also not seeing animations, these the mods I've used to get this working 

 

 

@heromaster thanks for your help

 

I got to the 2 lesbians, same as everyone else... great so far (I assume it doesn't go any further than that yet... but you've got us all tempted and sitting on the edge of our seats ). Can't wait, looking forward to more of this, I'm going to start the quest from scratch, since I really want to see this:

 

you will be locked sooner or later into a situation where you can't avoid sex at all. Congrats, you forged a submissive personality. 

 

I've noticed a typo a few times

 

You mention "a quit place" but you mean "a quite place" in English

 

 

[cry4me]

No luck on the suggestions but thanks though. Tried putting APPS near the end of my load order but hasn't changed. I've read in the previous posts that certain clothes are required? I've tried using tavern clothes and boots, still no luck unless i'm mistaken. any other suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks.

 

To make sure its not an item wearing issue, can you try starting the quest again (before asking hilda for the well paid job / clothes), then clearing out your inventory and disarming all your weapons.  Then when you ask, you wont get the clothes confused.  It took me a while, since I kept using the wrong boots

 

A simple suggestion @The Whoremaster

 

Make the tavern boots and clothes stand out with unique names, so this issue is avoided:

 

Tavern Whore - Boots

Tavern Whore - Clothes

[Hanshin]

na the problem for us is not start the tavern job, atm we dont get the start dialogue to ask hilda about well paid job or any job beside those from the jarl ^^. i tried clean reinstall etc, nothing happened, also startquest or setstage does not trigger anything, maybe the quest should start from the start after install the mod ala speak to hilda for a job. also with quest notifier.

[CGi]

We already thought about that, but Heromaster made it pretty clear that he don't want to start anything until it's needed.
So we'll investigate the reported problems and see how else we can fix them.

[Hanshin]

what about an mcm activate button? and that activate a quest trigger ala speak with hulda.

[just_Gina]

Considering the cultures Bethesda based the Imperials and Nords after, I'd have to agree that women were considered property, first of their fathers and then husbands. Both the Roman and Norse/Germanic peoples were prone to make people who were not them into slaves. As I suppose most aggressive cultures did.

I would also have to agree that women are generally physically weaker, but history is full of instances of women fighting beside their men. So there doesn't need be any conflict in any one's immersion. I create my characters with that in mind and generally never get very far with weapons other than the bow. That leaves me very vulnerable if the bad guys close with me just like real life.

Considering the attitude of both cultures, and the fact that almost all warrior cultures took women as spoils of war, a women alone in the wilds would have been in dire straits. Slavery would probably have been the best possible outcome she could expect if come upon by brigands. Rape was a given.

The prices of whores in the early dark ages, more than likely depended on where they plied their trade. For instance a whore in Dawnstar would probably cost much less than one in Solitude.

The fact that a room costs 10 septims makes me wonder what Bethesda based the economy on when they thought it up. At that rate, I would think a low class whore would need to have five to ten customers a day just to pay for the room, a little food and maybe have a septim or two left.

A high class prostitute would probably make considerably more, as she would need to be presentable for rich and noble clients.

Historically speaking, in cultures that valued prostitution, such as the Roman Empire, the highest rank of prostitutes could become very wealthy women with status and privilege.

The lowest ranks would be no different than the drug addicted street walkers we see today. Selling themselves for whatever they can to survive and profit their pimps, really no more than slaves.

 

[magicrealm]

after i took the clothes hulda gave me on, nothing happens. the quest does not start.

 

 

edit . so when i look through the Posts here, i see that this is just a variant of Radiant Prostitution ? smaller in Content but bigger in bugs.

there are enough mods high promised,hopefully started, then : full of bugs, never get out of it, modder loosing interest and all we Gamers get is a waste of time, loosing passion for skyrim by running from one bug into the other. thanks.

[Pinute]

after i took the clothes hulda gave me on, nothing happens. the quest does not start.

 

 

edit . so when i look through the Posts here, i see that this is just a variant of Radiant Prostitution ? smaller in Content but bigger in bugs.

there are enough mods high promised,hopefully started, then : full of bugs, never get out of it, modder loosing interest and all we Gamers get is a waste of time, loosing passion for skyrim by running from one bug into the other. thanks.

 

you know, I always wonder where these trolls come from. I don't seem to see their like in meat space.

[pclp2014]

after i took the clothes hulda gave me on, nothing happens. the quest does not start.

 

 

edit . so when i look through the Posts here, i see that this is just a variant of Radiant Prostitution ? smaller in Content but bigger in bugs.

there are enough mods high promised,hopefully started, then : full of bugs, never get out of it, modder loosing interest and all we Gamers get is a waste of time, loosing passion for skyrim by running from one bug into the other. thanks.

 

I think even Heromaster, CGI, and a thousand other modders are once gamer.

They have an idea, sit down and make something.

It should also give gamers who only have expectations and do nothing.

I do not know if the abbreviation WIP is a term.

If I am working as a software developer for someone Professionally, I have to deliver.

All who participate here do that voluntarily.

And these people are guilty of them nothing.

On the subject of time: to read your post, and this post is a waste of time.

 

I also do not believe that they have read the posts here.

If you do, you have not understood the claims.

 

Maybe it will help you as a "gamer" so on, equip the clothes once and then talk again with Hulda?

[JahReit]

@EVERYONE

As stated above, our modders are doing an excellent job taking their time, energy...ah hell, a tremendous amount of work, and donating it to us.  Not just this mod but all the mods, both bad, great and in-between.

I for one am very grateful for all their efforts.  Mods I didn't like, duh, uninstall and keep my ignorant mouth shut about them.  I was still happy that someone at least made an effort.  It would be stupid to complain about someone's work when I don't have the knowledge to do it myself nor the desire to learn how to do it.

 

EDIT: ever heard "...look a gift horse in the mouth"?  With some people I'm thinking the other end.

[Sakhmeth]

I am having difficulty with this quest initiating.

I enter the Bannered Mare, but I do not see APPS appearing on my mod list.

When I run "sqv APPS_controller", it does confirm that the quest has started.

When I talk to Hulda, however, and agree to serve, nothing happens. She does not give me anything. I can talk to her again to repeat the initial signup dialog, but nothing comes of it. It does not progress beyond stage 0. Attempting to use setstage for later parts doesn't work either.

 

I downloaded fresh versions of all the required mods, ran FNIS, and started a new game.

This is my current load order, which I believe is only what is needed for this mod (and some cosmetic ones).

skyrim.esm

update.esm

dawnguard.esm

sexlab.esm

sexlabaroused.esm

zazanimationpack.esm

devious devices - assets.esm

apachihair.esm

-----

APPS.esp

highrestexturepack01.esp

highrestexturepack02.esp

highrestexturepack03.esp

skyui.esp

sexlabzazanimations.esp

gattibondage.esp

 

What I am missing or forgetting?

[Heromaster]

What happens exactly? Does Hulda goes to the chest and comes back? Or does even that doesn't work for you?

[Sakhmeth]

She tells me that she's going to get the clothes while I sit there, and then does nothing.

 

EDIT:  She appears to have the items in her inventory, even though she didn't go to the chest.

How long do I have to sit in the chair for?