Devious Devices NG

[IcicleInn]

9 hours ago, Caligula27 said:

 

The more I investigate this the weirder it gets. So I officially stating that this might be a problem with the 3BA outfit for the "Ropeharness (Full)" and I please if anyone else is using 3BA tell me if you are experiencing this issue. Reason why I think the outit because for some reason upon closer look the outfit IS using the preset. The rope that goes over the breasts does follow the outline of preset but the actual breasts are shrunk. I messed around with a few of the sliders while having the preview window open and the only thing that is affected is the rope but not breasts. 

 

This the first time I have encountered such a weird issue. Unless someone comes along and either disproves or backs up my claim is really hard to say what the actual source of the problem is.

I also ran into that at least once while trimming down my load order, and I can guarantee it's not a DDNG issue.  After all I still use the DDNG install and one of my mods uses that full rope harness outfit in a quest, which is what makes it really noticeable if the body size and the harness size are mismatched.  And since I still use DDNG (Version downloaded from here) and I don't currently have that problem, means you probably have an additional slide not being built correctly, or a conflict of some sort.

EDIT: the outfit I normally see is just Ropeharness, not Ropeharness full, but they are currently working out the same in bodyslide for me

 

I'll see if I can't do a bit of digging now that I'm back at Skyrim computer and get back to you.

 

--Until then, my initial recommendation is making sure your "CBBE 3BBB Body Amazing" is using the same preset as your Ropeharness.

Edited December 28, 2024 by IcicleInn

[Seeker999]

On 12/26/2024 at 12:06 PM, Caligula27 said:

although Vortex constantly tells me that mod plugin's is incompatible even though I have the latest build of it?.

 

On 12/26/2024 at 12:35 PM, IcicleInn said:

mean, first off you shouldn't have Vortex telling you a plugin is incompatible...  That usually means that something is wonky with your load order or with the required files for that plugin, or you're somehow not using the right version for your particular game version

This is probably a Form 43 issue. Which is not a problem except maybe in very rare instances. Form 43 refers to the .esp and means that the mod was initially built for LE which is technically a different game. SE/AE is backwards compatible as far as Form 43 goes. Conversions from LE to SE/AE don't always have to touch the .esp, usually they are updating the non-.esp items such as textures, etc. If the mod is just an .esp and scripts, then many LE mods can be used in SE/AE out of the box. I'm on SE 1.6.1130 and have over a dozen so-called 'incompatible' mods due to Form 43. I don't think it's a bad thing to have the warning, more info is better imho, as long as you understand the scope.

Now, a Morrowind mod in Skyrim would be a true incompatibility 🙃

[jbezorg]

On 12/18/2024 at 11:25 PM, dieer said:

Are you sure you have run Nemesis and installed Mfg Fix NG?, it almost sounds like you have missed to do that.

I made sure that I had the latest version of Mfg Fix NG and still had an issue
 

On 12/17/2024 at 5:54 PM, crouching_tiger said:

Anyone else having issues with the gags not opening the mouth? Running SSE 1170 and the latest version of DD NG with all dependencies. I have mfg fix and mfg fix NG and tried different combinations of versions as well as disabling one or both with no luck. Mouth just stays closed. Any ideas?

 

On 12/18/2024 at 9:20 PM, SaintReitine said:

This mod is kinda bugged for me. I put on the hobble dress, but it doesn't affect the player movement or anything. Also, the ballgags doesn't open the mouth.

 

On 12/27/2024 at 6:45 PM, ArcticWuf said:

What's causing the mouth to not stay open while using a gag during SL expression changes and animations?

Something is "fixing" the facial animation. If you go into inventory and try to unequip an equipped gag, when you exit the correct facial expression is applied. Then something else steps in and resets the facial expression. 

[crouching_tiger]

7 hours ago, jbezorg said:

I made sure that I had the latest version of Mfg Fix NG and still had an issue
 

 

 

Something is "fixing" the facial animation. If you go into inventory and try to unequip an equipped gag, when you exit the correct facial expression is applied. Then something else steps in and resets the facial expression. 

 

Great call jbezorg, I had Expressive Facial Animation in my load order which must've been resetting the expressions. Disabling that allows them to work as intended.

[WickedRaptor]

for anyone that answers this assume i'm an idiot and have never ever modded anything in my entire life

 

How do i actually install this?

 

(asking because despite following the instructions on the description and also having modded skyrim for close to 8 years now.. i still can't seem to get this to work so i must be doing something wrong lol)

[ArcticWuf]

On 12/28/2024 at 9:18 PM, jbezorg said:

Something is "fixing" the facial animation. If you go into inventory and try to unequip an equipped gag, when you exit the correct facial expression is applied. Then something else steps in and resets the facial expression. 

I appreciate the response, but this doesn't help me identify or resolve the issue. The facial expressions work fine outside of SL animations, it's only during SL animations does the mouth close and act like there is no longer a gag present. Is there a setting somewhere I need to adjust or an additional mod for gagged expressions?

[jbezorg]

On 12/29/2024 at 7:31 AM, crouching_tiger said:

 

Great call jbezorg, I had Expressive Facial Animation in my load order which must've been resetting the expressions. Disabling that allows them to work as intended.

I've gone through several mods like SexLab - Smooth expressions plus 3.0.2 with no luck. Now I wonder if it's something continuously adjusting nodes on the skeleton, like the neck, causing the face to reset.

[SoulDanielo]

I have a question, I am supposed to have base DD, but when installing it my version of the game does not appear (1.6.1130). What option should I set before installing devious devices NG? (written with translator)

[zarantha]

19 hours ago, WickedRaptor said:

for anyone that answers this assume i'm an idiot and have never ever modded anything in my entire life

 

How do i actually install this?

 

(asking because despite following the instructions on the description and also having modded skyrim for close to 8 years now.. i still can't seem to get this to work so i must be doing something wrong lol)

 

If you need help using the modding tools, go to the technical support section or google how to use the tool.

 

make sure you have the requirements for DD and DD NG installed. DD's most up to date requirements are in the fomod when you install.
but for the consoleutils requirement, use the NG version.
 

install DD 5.2 SE/AE/VR

delete the devious devices patch that DD 5.2 installs

install DD NG and overwrite DD 5.2

run bodyslide and build everything that says 'devious devices'

run fnis or nemesis or pandora

Edited December 30, 2024 by zarantha

[zarantha]

5 hours ago, SoulDanielo said:

I have a question, I am supposed to have base DD, but when installing it my version of the game does not appear (1.6.1130). What option should I set before installing devious devices NG? (written with translator)

 

It doesn't matter, pick any of them. None of the ones in the fomod work with 1130 or 1170.

DD NG will overwrite the DLL with the one that supports 1130 and 1170 when you install it.

[lurker9001]

Hello, I'm having an issue were the game loads correctly but I cannot equip any devices, They show up in my inventory but I can click on them without any dialogue appearing, as if they were common items, they do not show on the character or alter the animations either.  Has anyone had a similar issue ?

[belegost]

Can I get a bit of clarification on installation please?

 

I'm installing DDNG on SE 1.5.97 on a profile that had never had DDNG before. This is not updating, this is a new install. The overwrite order is clear, but in patch notes it says to disable original DD SE plugin. Since it's not part of the original installation instruction am I unsure if this step is necessary in this case. Please clarify.

Edited January 3, 2025 by belegost

[Taki17]

59 minutes ago, belegost said:

disable original DD SE plugin

It is. DDNG contains edited versions of the main DD master files, so the SE plugin is unnecessary, its changes are part of the main file.

[belegost]

7 minutes ago, Taki17 said:

It is. DDNG contains edited versions of the main DD master files, so the SE plugin is unnecessary, its changes are part of the main file.

Thank you. Since I can see now this question has been asked in this thread many times, please consider amending installation instruction, to avoid any uncertainty and cut down on unnecessary dumb questions like mine. Especially since patch notes are only visible on download page and not forum thread, and I know from experience, most people don't bother reading patch notes at all.

Edited January 3, 2025 by belegost

[ferminnigro]

Hi i have problems with DD NG and i have been searching for a fix for a while now

all restraints dont work (armbinder, cuffs, hobble dress, ect..) when i put them on the item is visible but either some of my body parts become invisible or they simply dont work and i can use my hands normaly.

 

i will put down some screen shots and my load order in hope somebody can help with this issue thanks 

load order.txt

 

 

 

[Seeker999]

On 8/28/2024 at 7:40 PM, damnvox said:

need some help. ever since updating DDNG and starting a fresh install, DD is not detecting mfgfix or racemenu.
im running skyrimSE ver 1.6.1130.
attached is my load order along with mod versions. any help would be GREATLY appreciated!

lodorder.txt 6.27 kB · 3 downloads

Did you ever find out what was going on? I just started a new game, SSE 1.6.1130, upgraded to DD NG 0.3.7 and am also getting messages about installing MFG Fix and Racemenu (not being able to find the mfgfix.dll or the skee64.dll). The mods are there MFG Fix, MFG Fix NG, and RaceMenu v. 4.19.15. I can use Racemenu ingame.

My load order and all mods: 

 

 

Sorry, somehow picked up wrong text file. The New Year has baffled my brain, or at least my coordination. Or my eyesight.
load order and mods.txt

Edited January 5, 2025 by Seeker999
added error messages, then uploaded correct mod list

[Feltol]

I have a similar issue as ferminnigro but only with armbinders. Specifically, its the strong ebonite armbinder thats broken. It's just flat-out invisible even though my character is performing the animation of holding her hands behind her back and whatnot. It gives me shadow hands.

Ive tried searching SSE Edit as suggested earlier in this thread, but I wasnt able to find anything to fix.

I dont know much about troubleshooting, but the item ID is 2404fc6d, if that gives anyone any ideas on what I should do next since I'm out of them.

 

Thank you.

 

Update: Strong Ebonite Binder is a Laura's Shop addon that points to ArmbEbonite_go.nif from Devious Expansion. Which I would guess is connected to ArmbEbonite_1.nif and zadx_EboniteArmbinderAA, but I don't see any special alternate textures or anything on it. I've confirmed that the nif file exists in the folder it should and it appears to be named correctly.

 

Update 2: I tested a leather armbinder and had the same issue as the ebony armbinder. They all make my hands disappear and their models don't show up. it doesn't appear to just be armbinders from Laura's either, as the red leather armbinder (new) is also broken. Race is Nord.

 

Update 3: I tried setting the experimental HideHands feature in the ini to true since it was advised for another user for a problem that seemed like it might be related. No Dice.

 

Update 4: The black steel fetters also cause my lower legs to vanish.

Edited January 5, 2025 by Feltol

[deletemyaccount]

Having the same issue as a couple users above, none of the DD animations seem to be playing for me. Armbinders just make my hands invisible, yoke doesn't make my character have arms up, and gags don't make the mouth open. Devices show up but animations just don't work.

 

EDIT: FYI using Pandora and not FNIS or Nemesis

Edited January 5, 2025 by deletemyaccount

[fallenmystic]

Hi,

 

I'm trying to test DD NG on Skyrim VR, but I have a problem with furniture animations. Nothing happens when I activate furniture items in DDCTestZone, and I don't see any error messages. FNIS ran successfully, and using NEMESIS doesn't change the behaviour.

 

Am I missing something? I tested with a minimal mod list as shown below:
 

+OSL Aroused
+Alternate Perspective - Alternate Start
+Fuz.Ro.D.oh.VR.-.Alpha.3
+JContainers VR
+PapyrusUtil SE - Modders Scripting Utility Functions
+Devious Devices NG
+Devious Devices for SE-AE-VR
+SL VRpatch hotfix
+SL VRpatch Beta
+Mfg Fix
+SexLab Animation Loader
+SexLab Framework
+BodySlide and Outfit Studio - Output
+BodySlide and Outfit Studio
+Open Animation Replacer
+Paired Animation Improvements
+Animation Queue Fix
+Fores New Idles in Skyrim SE - Output
+Fores New Idles in Skyrim SE - Spells
+Fores New Idles in Skyrim SE - Creature Pack
+Fores New Idles in Skyrim SE - FNIS
+MuJointFix
+No Me Molestes Updated
+XP32 Maximum Skeleton Special Extended
+CBBE 3BA
+CBPC - Physics with Collisions
+Caliente's Beautiful Bodies Enhancer -CBBE-
+RaceMenu VR Fix
+RaceMenu
+Terrain Shadows
+Screen Space Global Illumination (SSGI)
+Wetness Effects
+Subsurface Scattering
+Water Caustics
+Light Limit Fix
+Screen-Space Shadows
+Complex Parallax Materials
+Grass Collision
+Grass Lighting
+Community Shaders - Config and Output
+Community Shaders
+Auto Parallax
+Centered Messages Box VR
+Dear Diary VR - Paper SkyUI and Categorized Favorites
+SkyUI - VR
+VR Menu Mouse Fix
+VRIK Player Avatar - Log
+VRIK Player Avatar
+Skyrim VR Tools
+Engine Fixes VR
+VR Address Library for SKSEVR
+Skyrim VR ESL Support - Config
+Skyrim VR ESL Support
+Skyrim VR Core USSEP 4.2.1 and SSE 1.5.97 Compatibility
+Skyrim Special Edition Masters
*DLC: Dawnguard
*DLC: Dragonborn
*DLC: HearthFires

 

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

Edited January 6, 2025 by Slaves of Tamriel

[Abbendis]

Multiple people in this thread already reported it, but I haven't found a fix, When using DD NG with Sexlab Utility Plus, MCM of SexLab menu either won't appear or would appear empty (if used with Menu Maid). Disabling/removing DD NG fixes it. Any idea how to make them compatible?

AE 1.6.1170

Edited January 7, 2025 by Abbendis

[CaptainJ03]

2 hours ago, Abbendis said:

Multiple people in this thread already reported it, but I haven't found a fix, When using DD NG with Sexlab Utility Plus, MCM of SexLab menu either won't appear or would appear empty (if used with Menu Maid). Disabling/removing DD NG fixes it. Any idea how to make them compatible?

AE 1.6.1170

Did you ask over in their thread? OsmelMC is active and should know how his mod handles things. What I read, it's an LO issue.

 

[krzp]

On 1/6/2025 at 11:18 AM, Slaves of Tamriel said:

I'm trying to test DD NG on Skyrim VR, but I have a problem with furniture animations. Nothing happens when I activate furniture items in DDCTestZone, and I don't see any error messages. FNIS ran successfully, and using NEMESIS doesn't change the behaviour.

That happened to a couple of people on our discord - one person had some leftover files in the Skyrim folder that would mess up their FNIS, another person installed a bunch of old DD files that overwrote their DD NG and it wrecked everything & the third one was on Linux and there was some... incompatibility that they've fixed by switching Proton versions.

 

Don't know which one might apply in your case 🙂

[krzp]

19 hours ago, Abbendis said:

Multiple people in this thread already reported it, but I haven't found a fix, When using DD NG with Sexlab Utility Plus, MCM of SexLab menu either won't appear or would appear empty (if used with Menu Maid). Disabling/removing DD NG fixes it. Any idea how to make them compatible?

AE 1.6.1170

Try installing Papyrus Tweaks NG.

[krzp]

On 1/4/2025 at 4:51 PM, Seeker999 said:

Sorry, somehow picked up wrong text file.
load order and mods.txt

What is DD5.2 - Native remove doing there? 🙂 I can't see your load order, since your installed mods are listed A-Z, but if that file loads on top of NG, this would be the cause of your errors - plus, there's a non-zero chance your whole DD NG will crash and burn 😄

[fallenmystic]

2 hours ago, krzp said:

That happened to a couple of people on our discord - one person had some leftover files in the Skyrim folder that would mess up their FNIS, another person installed a bunch of old DD files that overwrote their DD NG and it wrecked everything & the third one was on Linux and there was some... incompatibility that they've fixed by switching Proton versions.

 

Don't know which one might apply in your case 🙂

 

I'm using Linux indeed, which suggests I may have the same problem as the person you mentioned. I'll try switching my Proton version and see how it goes. Thanks much for the help!