Sexy Adventures

[Guest]

Hi Teutonic, it would be possible to add the thane exception to crime laws?, for me it would be an interesting motivation to work on being thane of each region, gaining the right to be able to equip weapons and armor and no longer go unarmed and in civilian clothes.

 

Also, I love that you have made the mod compatible with AND to finetuning both crime laws and gang rape, it's a great addition so thanks for that 

Edited August 29, 2024 by turkeyNAC

[wolfeman77346]

Hey Teutonic,

 

Using Sexy Adventures for a while, a minor frustration keeps coming up. What it is is conflicts being created between the various new nudity laws while using the crime law randomizer.

 

For example, I am currently seeing the inverted nudity law at the same time as the topless law.

I've also seen setups like the genital law requirement at the same time as no nudity, and no skimpy outfits. These conflicts ensure that they cant be complied with, which some might like I suppose.

 

Where im going with this is your consideration of a way of prioritizing how the laws are applied. For example, if the inverted nudity law is chosen, then the subordinate laws for requiring not being topless be disabled as an additional choice. Its the same kind of priority system used by the newer Advanced Nudity mod.

 

Your consideration would be greatly appreciated.

[NymphoElf]

4 minutes ago, wolfeman77346 said:

Hey Teutonic,

 

Using Sexy Adventures for a while, a minor frustration keeps coming up. What it is is conflicts being created between the various new nudity laws while using the crime law randomizer.

 

For example, I am currently seeing the inverted nudity law at the same time as the topless law.

I've also seen setups like the genital law requirement at the same time as no nudity, and no skimpy outfits. These conflicts ensure that they cant be complied with, which some might like I suppose.

 

Where im going with this is your consideration of a way of prioritizing how the laws are applied. For example, if the inverted nudity law is chosen, then the subordinate laws for requiring not being topless be disabled as an additional choice. Its the same kind of priority system used by the newer Advanced Nudity mod.

 

Your consideration would be greatly appreciated.

 

Hi, I wrote the current randomizer logic for the AND laws. I'll take a look at this soon. I did my best to make sure no illogical combinations happened, but it seems I made a mistake somewhere.

 

However, I would like to point out that Nudity and Showing Genitals are different conditions in AND. Therefore being required to show Genitals and not be Nude IS possible.

 

Regardless I will take a closer look at this and do my best to submit a fix soon.

[wolfeman77346]

11 minutes ago, NymphoElf said:

 

Hi, I wrote the current randomizer logic for the AND laws. I'll take a look at this soon. I did my best to make sure no illogical combinations happened, but it seems I made a mistake somewhere.

 

However, I would like to point out that Nudity and Showing Genitals are different conditions in AND. Therefore being required to show Genitals and not be Nude IS possible.

 

Regardless I will take a closer look at this and do my best to submit a fix soon.

Thank you very much @NymphoElf. You rock!

[eflat01]

41 minutes ago, wolfeman77346 said:

Thank you very much @NymphoElf. You rock!

 

I'm not sure if it's from this mod or SLSFC but my DB got a bounty while in her bed, in Proudspire having sex with Jordis. Dunno who'd report the crime? 

Edited August 29, 2024 by eflat01

[NymphoElf]

20 minutes ago, eflat01 said:

 

I'm not sure if it's from this mod or SLSFC but my DB got a bounty while in her bed, in Proudspire having sex with Jordis. Dunno who'd report the crime? 

 

If interiors are set as public this MIGHT be the cause. Can't say for sure. Teutonic will have to weigh in on this one. I simply did the AND implementation side of things.

[eflat01]

53 minutes ago, NymphoElf said:

 

If interiors are set as public this MIGHT be the cause. Can't say for sure. Teutonic will have to weigh in on this one. I simply did the AND implementation side of things.

I'll check, I think I have inns and temples considered public.

[NymphoElf]

@Teutonic - I've submitted a GitHub pull request for a fix to the AND law randomizer.

[Lady Wintrish]

On 8/28/2024 at 8:13 PM, Teutonic said:

Because it does not just keep track of the player, but followers as well.

 

Can you give specific examples which creatures work and which do not?

 

Could you add a percentage of probability in which after the rape the player is left tied up and gagged? Idk if is hard to implement but would be great.

[funburrito]

On 8/29/2024 at 10:45 PM, turkeyNAC said:

Hi Teutonic, it would be possible to add the thane exception to crime laws?, for me it would be an interesting motivation to work on being thane of each region, gaining the right to be able to equip weapons and armor and no longer go unarmed and in civilian clothes.

 

Also, I love that you have made the mod compatible with AND to finetuning both crime laws and gang rape, it's a great addition so thanks for that 

 

I second this. Having Thane immunity for certain laws would make becoming Thane something to strive for and help with immersion. After all, we don't want thanes to be "part of the common rabble."

 

Love your mod by the way. Chef's kiss!

[NymphoElf]

8 hours ago, funburrito said:

I second this. Having Thane immunity for certain laws would make becoming Thane something to strive for and help with immersion. After all, we don't want thanes to be "part of the common rabble."

 

Teutonic has been wrestling with this concept. We're looking for an alternative to immunity, because (as it stands) thaneship immunity effectively just turns the law off. That's all I can say, and I can't make any promises one way or the other. Just figured I'd chime in since this has been asked multiple times.

[Lucci213]

1 hour ago, NymphoElf said:

Teutonic has been wrestling with this concept. We're looking for an alternative to immunity, because (as it stands) thaneship immunity effectively just turns the law off. That's all I can say, and I can't make any promises one way or the other. Just figured I'd chime in since this has been asked multiple times.

What are you looking for exactly? A different way to reward Thaneship, or a way to mitigate bounty increases without out-right becoming immune?

 

One thing I can suggest is "Minimum Required Bounty". How it works is you need a minimum bounty before a law starts applying to you. For example:

• Set Minimum Required Bounty for Curfew to 40
• If your bounty is <40 , you can walk around at night without breaking the law
• If your bounty is >=40 , you will be reported and accumulate further bounty when outside at night

The idea is that you can ignore certain laws as long as you're not considered a nuisance by the hold. Like, you can be a nudist around town all you want, but the moment you get a bounty by either punching someone or having sex in public (this law's Minimum Required Bounty is set to 0, so you will be fined the moment you break it), the guards will start taking your nudist flaunting as causing trouble.

[NymphoElf]

40 minutes ago, Lucci213 said:

One thing I can suggest is "Minimum Required Bounty". How it works is you need a minimum bounty before a law starts applying to you. For example:

• Set Minimum Required Bounty for Curfew to 40
• If your bounty is <40 , you can walk around at night without breaking the law
• If your bounty is >=40 , you will be reported and accumulate further bounty when outside at night

 

This concept isn't bad. The implementation will likely be different thought. The reason is that we simply pull/manipulate the Crime Faction gold value (or whatever it is that crimes/bounties use). If we manipulate that value at all, you will be flagged for crimes and guard dialogues and the like.

 

I don't know if we would want to track a separate bounty value for every crime in every hold. That would be a lot of values for a single feature (somewhere around 200 values?). So perhaps we can implement a 1-time immunity, similar to how the vanilla function works, but refresh that immunity under certain conditions. When immunity is not in effect, perhaps we reduce the bounty value by a certain percentage since you're Thane, effectively giving you more 'tolerance'.

 

I think I might have had this idea before, but I can't remember if I proposed this to Teutonic or not. We'll see what happens I guess (Teutonic still needs to approve my AND Law Randomizer fix - perhaps he's taking a break).

[funburrito]

11 hours ago, NymphoElf said:

 

Teutonic has been wrestling with this concept. We're looking for an alternative to immunity, because (as it stands) thaneship immunity effectively just turns the law off. That's all I can say, and I can't make any promises one way or the other. Just figured I'd chime in since this has been asked multiple times.

 

Yeah, I can see your issue there. My counterpoint is that some laws should be turned off for a thane. Thanes should allowed to be both armed and armored as being a protector of the hold is part of their station.

 

I do like the idea of temporary immunity (the vanilla warning system) for obvious crimes like public sex and nudity, though I think thane's should be above laws that require nudity. My reason is that once you are thane, you are now part of the elite class. Seeing the thane subject to similar humiliation as the public would reduce respect for the institution itself (in addition to not being able to perform their duties as stated above).

 

So, in my opinion a "thane immunity" option for certain laws is the easiest fix. I mean Sexlab Adventures had a thane immunity option before. Let players decide. If that is a definite "no", then maybe a counter for how many times a violation is ignored (like from 1 - full immunity) for each law could be an interesting alternative. I'm not sure if the code would allow for an easy implementation of that though.

 

Regardless, being thane definitely needs something. As it is, I am just turning off most of the crime laws in the holds where I'm thane anyhow, which seems to be what you want to avoid.

[NymphoElf]

@funburrito I don't see why we couldn't add immunity as a toggleable option. So perhaps that'll be a nice compromise?

Edited September 6, 2024 by NymphoElf

[Teutonic]

Sorry about my absence, life got in the way.

 

On public interiors: All interiors are by default not public. They are only public if they fall into one of the categories that can be flagged as public in the MCM (i.e. they have the corresponding keyword) and the option is checked. Some locations have special exceptions, e.g. you won't be reported in the Thieves Guild. I'll just add the Simple Slavery auction house to the "no reports here" list.

 

On 8/29/2024 at 7:42 PM, eflat01 said:

I'm not sure if it's from this mod or SLSFC but my DB got a bounty while in her bed, in Proudspire having sex with Jordis. Dunno who'd report the crime? 

Hard to say what happened without being able to take a look first hand. Was this a one-time thing or does it keep happening?

 

On 8/29/2024 at 9:51 PM, Lady Wintrish said:

Could you add a percentage of probability in which after the rape the player is left tied up and gagged? Idk if is hard to implement but would be great.

That is planned. I am still figuring out how to use DD though.

 

On Thaneship immunity: As @NymphoElf mentioned, I do not like a binary immunity that just turns the law off. Our current alternative ideas are:

1. Tolerate an amount of gold bounty per day. E.g. the first 100 gold do not actually yield a bounty, but everything beyond that does as normal. Possibly with options for individual laws to bypass the tolerance, e.g. weapons are okay, but clothes are not.
2. Tolerate individual crimes a configurable number of times.
3. A lowered chance to be reported.

I also like @Lucci213's suggestion above. In any case, the crime laws page has become too large, so I plan to give it the subpage treatment, similar to the SexLab tags page. However, I use a command-line tool to auto-generate most of the MCM code and that does currently not support that feature and needs to be rewritten first.

 

On 9/6/2024 at 2:46 AM, funburrito said:

Regardless, being thane definitely needs something. As it is, I am just turning off most of the crime laws in the holds where I'm thane anyhow, which seems to be what you want to avoid.

It's not so much what we are trying to avoid, but it's what you can do already. The extra immunity toggle is unnecessary in this case and therefore uninteresting. 

[aslab]

Thanks for this mod. I love the how you updated this mod from the last time I played and this mod now works flawlessly with SL survival licenses. Just one question, is there a way to have an option under gang rape requirements for law breaking. I thought there once was an option to get rapped for breaking a law, but I don’t see that option anymore. furthermore, from reading the previous posts I got another idea, maybe you would like to add a bounty requirement into the gang rape requirements as well.

[NymphoElf]

15 minutes ago, aslab said:

I thought there once was an option to get rapped for breaking a law, but I don’t see that option anymore. furthermore, from reading the previous posts I got another idea, maybe you would like to add a bounty requirement into the gang rape requirements as well.

 

I remember some type of option for that as well, but I don't recall if it was actually Sexlab Adventures or SLS that did that.

 

Either way, I'm guessing this is a "maybe" at best. It's been a minute since I've actually played because I've been working on my own projects, so I can't 100% remember if there's an "Ignore when raped" setting, but I think there is, so maybe that would work so your bounty doesn't spiral out of control.

Edited September 7, 2024 by NymphoElf

[aslab]

5 hours ago, NymphoElf said:

 

I remember some type of option for that as well, but I don't recall if it was actually Sexlab Adventures or SLS that did that.

 

Either way, I'm guessing this is a "maybe" at best. It's been a minute since I've actually played because I've been working on my own projects, so I can't 100% remember if there's an "Ignore when raped" setting, but I think there is, so maybe that would work so your bounty doesn't spiral out of control.

 

There most defiantly is an option “Ignore when raped". It’s funny I was thinking how mean it would be to have a button to add bounty when rapped. For now, in SL survival, I make the licenses pretty cheap, so I usually won’t be violating any laws when rapped. A spiraling out of control bounty will play nicely with a prison alternative mod. The out-of-control bounty may also be tied into public whore where the PC will have to earn back the bounty.

 

Anyways what I was talking about is adding a bounty requirement to the rape requirement options. so, if the PC reaches a certain bounty, they may become open property for the hold until the bounty is removed. You seem to understand what I'm saying with the rape when violating law option.

Edited September 8, 2024 by aslab

[NymphoElf]

25 minutes ago, aslab said:

Anyways what I was talking about is adding a bounty requirement to the rape requirement options. so, if the PC reaches a certain bounty, they may become open property for the hold until the bounty is removed.

 

You might want to ask for this kind of feature in Public Whore then, because it sounds like that's more of what you actually want.

Edited September 8, 2024 by NymphoElf

[Teutonic]

10 hours ago, aslab said:

Anyways what I was talking about is adding a bounty requirement to the rape requirement options. so, if the PC reaches a certain bounty, they may become open property for the hold until the bounty is removed. You seem to understand what I'm saying with the rape when violating law option.

Might be an interesting feature for Public Whore, but we can add this here as well. Noted.

[eflat01]

2 hours ago, Teutonic said:

Might be an interesting feature for Public Whore, but we can add this here as well. Noted.

 

I dunno, would seem redundant since PW kind of covers that?

 

Edited September 8, 2024 by eflat01

[eflat01]

On 9/7/2024 at 8:44 AM, Teutonic said:

Hard to say what happened without being able to take a look first hand. Was this a one-time thing or does it keep happening?

 

 

 

One time, I do not think it was SLSFC because it did not seem increase SLSF stats which that mod does.  I have temples and inns set in this mod as public though, I do not think Proudspire would qualify as either but I don't know? 

 

If I manage to replicate this again I'll try to so so again and get a log or something. 

Edited September 8, 2024 by eflat01

[Someone92]

On 9/7/2024 at 12:44 PM, Teutonic said:

That is planned. I am still figuring out how to use DD though.

Check out Devious Devices NG if you not already have.

 

2 hours ago, eflat01 said:

I dunno, would seem redundant since PW kind of covers that?

I think it means that having Bouncy > x can be a requirement

 

A QoL suggestion:

A toggle for Sleep Creep, and disabled by default.

 

[NymphoElf]

3 hours ago, Someone92 said:

A toggle for Sleep Creep

 

I thought there was? or you could just set odds to 0%