Detrax Posted August 17, 2014 Posted August 17, 2014 I don't know if I have the time to create uncompressed face textures for FSC. I have been working on making HDT bodies and armor conversions. Now I need to update/fix some Elin 1 mods. I was talking not about that, but it doesn't matter. What is more important - can you make armor that will appear only on Elin? Like RCOTS armor replacer for children.
Eikichi Onizuka Posted August 17, 2014 Posted August 17, 2014 @Iuki it's pointless. - what is the point to add uncompressed body texture to low-res Elin face? - I'm going to make Elin2 version only after I finish with Elin1. You better to ask PsychoMachina to do that, cuz it seems that Elin2 use same unp body as Elin1. This shoudn't be a problem. - Fair 7.3 patch fix only face. Elin use its own face texture. - I didn't edit body texture, cuz its already fit Elin body. - I didn't add normal and specular map, cuz Elin have its own map. But you can do all that by your self. All you need located in FSCv7.2\Data\textures\actors\character\female\. Copy femalebody_1.dds and femalehands_1.dds to Skyrim\Data\textures\actors\2chElin textures fix\. Do the same thing if you want public hair version. If you need normal map and etc - copy all femalebody and femalehands dds files, but most likely you get neck seam bug, cuz they may don't fit Elin face map. yes.. I think the problem is the seam around the neck.. the normal-map textures is the file femalebody_1_msn.dds ? I don't know if I have the time to create uncompressed face textures for FSC. I have been working on making HDT bodies and armor conversions. Now I need to update/fix some Elin 1 mods. A full HDT body with all nodes/bones (breast, butt and belly) for the new Elin race 2 body mashe/shape, would be Great..!
evaccania Posted August 17, 2014 Posted August 17, 2014 Can you post your load order? I just found out that ECE doesn't work with my game (loading the Female Ygnord models crash the game, and the sliders don't show up altogether) so I left the thing out. I did another installation with just the mods mentioned in Basic/Required of the OP post (Main Pack + Quiver Animation) and SKSE. The installation options are on the left and the load order is on the right. I want to start with the bare minimum and slowly adding things in so it's easier to track down errors. Since these are the only "required" files I assume I don't need to install anything else at this point? My game is still crashing during loads though.
PsychoMachina Posted August 18, 2014 Author Posted August 18, 2014 Hello, is there any possibility to change appearance of all exist npc including enemies and everyone in all skyrim world ? I simply download & install files like: eline npc n enemies v 3,1,7 OPTION_NPC_REPLACERS_Standalone Elin NPC-Enemy for TeraElin2 Hearthfires-Elin Orphans-All Girls Option and these mods like all elin mods are so good and im rly thankful for it but still seeing elin world in game would be amazing While it is possible to change every NPC to an Elin, there are high chances of breaking quests, dialogues, and possibly the game. A lot of work would need to be done to make a playable, single race game (technically, there are the creature races, i.e., dragons, trolls, elks, foxes, etc.). Anyway, I would like to update and release the Castanic race and High Elves. By changing/adding other NPCs to those races will add some variety. This, however, will be awhile as I still have the Elins to finish first. Maybe I can at least release a playable, little Castanic race that uses the same assets from Elin 2. The males will need some work to get them to work without any problems. I don't know if I have the time to create uncompressed face textures for FSC. I have been working on making HDT bodies and armor conversions. Now I need to update/fix some Elin 1 mods. I was talking not about that, but it doesn't matter. What is more important - can you make armor that will appear only on Elin? Like RCOTS armor replacer for children. That can be done. Anyway, the other races would look odd with an Elin body. @Iuki it's pointless. - what is the point to add uncompressed body texture to low-res Elin face? - I'm going to make Elin2 version only after I finish with Elin1. You better to ask PsychoMachina to do that, cuz it seems that Elin2 use same unp body as Elin1. This shoudn't be a problem. - Fair 7.3 patch fix only face. Elin use its own face texture. - I didn't edit body texture, cuz its already fit Elin body. - I didn't add normal and specular map, cuz Elin have its own map. But you can do all that by your self. All you need located in FSCv7.2\Data\textures\actors\character\female\. Copy femalebody_1.dds and femalehands_1.dds to Skyrim\Data\textures\actors\2chElin textures fix\. Do the same thing if you want public hair version. If you need normal map and etc - copy all femalebody and femalehands dds files, but most likely you get neck seam bug, cuz they may don't fit Elin face map. yes.. I think the problem is the seam around the neck.. the normal-map textures is the file femalebody_1_msn.dds ? I don't know if I have the time to create uncompressed face textures for FSC. I have been working on making HDT bodies and armor conversions. Now I need to update/fix some Elin 1 mods. A full HDT body with all nodes/bones (breast, butt and belly) for the new Elin race 2 body mashe/shape, would be Great..! The one major problem I have been encountering are distortions around the torso, below the breasts. I'm inclined to think it's the meshes themselves, but I need to see if the skeleton is, or contributes to, the cause of the distortion. Can you post your load order? I just found out that ECE doesn't work with my game (loading the Female Ygnord models crash the game, and the sliders don't show up altogether) so I left the thing out. I did another installation with just the mods mentioned in Basic/Required of the OP post (Main Pack + Quiver Animation) and SKSE. The installation options are on the left and the load order is on the right. I want to start with the bare minimum and slowly adding things in so it's easier to track down errors. Since these are the only "required" files I assume I don't need to install anything else at this point? My game is still crashing during loads though. Crashing when loading a save could mean there are not enough allocated memory for the game. RAM and VRAM has no part in this. Skyrim allocates a block of memory and when that is used up, allocates another block of memory. The first solution you can try is uninstalling the Hi-Res textures. If you can now load the game saves, the cause is not enough memory. If the game still crashes, try either Safety Load or SSME. Safety Load is the simplest of the two (uses SKSE plugins), but has the potential to cause crashing when accessing the inventory or looting bodies. However, the fix is just as simple: open the SAFETYLOAD.ini and edit "EnableOnlyLoading" to TRUE. This makes SafetyLoad only work when the game is loading (loading screen). SSME is a step up from Safety Load and allows you to "tweak" the size of the memory blocks the game will create. This is accomplished by editing the memory blocks in SSME.ini to make the game allocate more memory. If after testing these you are still crashing, try starting a new game with the mods you want to use, create a clean, new save then reload that save.
Detrax Posted August 18, 2014 Posted August 18, 2014 I don't know if I have the time to create uncompressed face textures for FSC. I have been working on making HDT bodies and armor conversions. Now I need to update/fix some Elin 1 mods. I was talking not about that, but it doesn't matter. What is more important - can you make armor that will appear only on Elin? Like RCOTS armor replacer for children. That can be done. Anyway, the other races would look odd with an Elin body. -_-" You never installed RCOTS, right? I don't know how to explain it... It's not replacer. Mod not replace vanila armor, it adds extra armor, which is tied to race. So, if any race (not child) wear vanila armor, it look like vanila armor, and if child wear vanila armor, it look like child armor. Child race use its own armor meshes and textures for vanila armor.
Eikichi Onizuka Posted August 18, 2014 Posted August 18, 2014 I have been working on making HDT bodies and armor conversions. A full HDT body with all nodes/bones (breast, butt and belly) for the new Elin race 2 body mashe/shape, would be Great..! The one major problem I have been encountering are distortions around the torso, below the breasts. I'm inclined to think it's the meshes themselves, but I need to see if the skeleton is, or contributes to, the cause of the distortion. I think.. there is only one person who can give you the rights answers.. http://www.loverslab.com/user/28051-groovtama/
PsychoMachina Posted August 18, 2014 Author Posted August 18, 2014 @Detrax I know what you mean. I was joking about the NPCs having an Elin body. I should have made that clear. @Iuki That was the first thing I did. He did not know what was causing the distortions. I'm starting to believe it's mesh related. Need to investigate further.
Detrax Posted August 18, 2014 Posted August 18, 2014 Face Texture Pack 0.2 - NMM compatible - normal-map for NPCs - head texture fo PC - fixed FSC texture to fit normal-map Only Fair Skin Complexion for now. @PsichoMachina In my opinion, making armor like that (mainly clothes) is the most important task, because if you do this, the need for cbbe & unp body will disappear. And there is no necessary to make something lore-friendly, Elin race not lore-friendly at all after all. Any cute clothes will be fine. I'm using body replacer only because stuff like this looks really odd with original body. ElinRace Face Texture Pack.zip
PsychoMachina Posted August 19, 2014 Author Posted August 19, 2014 Yes, but which body to use? Tera Body? Elin 2 body (UNP)? With or without HDT? The armors need to be converted to an "Elin" body, whether CBBE, UNP, or Tera body. The one gripe I hear about the race is the lack of armors that do not alter the Elin-shape. I also came to the conclusion that BodySlide 2 is the cause of the body mesh having abnormalities. Tried the latest and the results were no different than the earlier versions. In comparison, if I use the Tera body, Elin 2 UNP, CBBE or UNP body (no bodyslide), even the Lady Body, there were no mesh distortions under the breasts and above the buttocks.
Eikichi Onizuka Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 Yes, but which body to use? Tera Body? Elin 2 body (UNP)? With or without HDT? The armors need to be converted to an "Elin" body, whether CBBE, UNP, or Tera body. The one gripe I hear about the race is the lack of armors that do not alter the Elin-shape body. I also came to the conclusion that BodySlide 2 is the cause of the body mesh having abnormalities. Tried the latest and the results were no different than the earlier versions. In comparison, if I use the Tera body, Elin 2 UNP, CBBE or UNP body (no bodyslide), even the Lady Body, there were no mesh distortions under the breasts and above the buttocks. Elin 2 UNP bosdy is best of all I have no doubt about this! Ps: you can not use Bodyslide ?
PsychoMachina Posted August 19, 2014 Author Posted August 19, 2014 Bodyslide created meshes have problematic areas. The Min/Max previews show the body as normal, but in my game, the area under the breast juts out (looks like the top half of her chest caved-in) and vertex spikes above the buttocks. These do not happen when using a body not created with bodyslide.
Eikichi Onizuka Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 Bodyslide created meshes have problematic areas. The Min/Max previews show the body as normal, but in my game, the area under the breast juts out (looks like the top half of her chest caved-in) and vertex spikes above the buttocks. These do not happen when using a body not created with bodyslide. would be possible from the original Elin 2 UNP body, create the HDT version ?
Detrax Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 Yes, but which body to use? Tera Body? Elin 2 body (UNP)? With or without HDT? The armors need to be converted to an "Elin" body, whether CBBE, UNP, or Tera body. The one gripe I hear about the race is the lack of armors that do not alter the Elin-shape. I also came to the conclusion that BodySlide 2 is the cause of the body mesh having abnormalities. Tried the latest and the results were no different than the earlier versions. In comparison, if I use the Tera body, Elin 2 UNP, CBBE or UNP body (no bodyslide), even the Lady Body, there were no mesh distortions under the breasts and above the buttocks. Main question - can you fit armor for Elyn body, that they still looks like Elin? For now Elyn looks more like kids with nekomimi (and big breasts in my game). If "yes", here is what I think: - Optimal chose for the body should be UNPB. It's flat on min weight and comparable to CBBE on max. If really i think that Elin must be completely flat, but not giving options for breast size is not good idea. - TBBP is unnecessary. TBBP mainly made for normal scaled body with huge breasts, and not for little races like Elin. Flat and bbp options is all you need. Flat and min weight of bbp body have same shape, so this should not be a problem making both version of armor. But if it's a problem, then the best way is keep only UNPB BBP with increased min weight to 15-20 for HDT, or flat UNP (or even original) without physics. Second is more preferable. As for third variant - Tera body looks good too, and it seems that it's already have some good looking armor. I mean this is how Elin should look in Skyrim. All other stuff is unnecessary. PS: adding stuff like HDT belly and butt nods for Elin is pointless
DisNeko Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 Hi Installed the Elin race, but I got some problems with the hands. They look like they are from another body. I can't place any links.... Hope somebody can help me.
PsychoMachina Posted August 19, 2014 Author Posted August 19, 2014 Yes, but which body to use? Tera Body? Elin 2 body (UNP)? With or without HDT? The armors need to be converted to an "Elin" body, whether CBBE, UNP, or Tera body. The one gripe I hear about the race is the lack of armors that do not alter the Elin-shape. I also came to the conclusion that BodySlide 2 is the cause of the body mesh having abnormalities. Tried the latest and the results were no different than the earlier versions. In comparison, if I use the Tera body, Elin 2 UNP, CBBE or UNP body (no bodyslide), even the Lady Body, there were no mesh distortions under the breasts and above the buttocks. Main question - can you fit armor for Elyn body, that they still looks like Elin? For now Elyn looks more like kids with nekomimi (and big breasts in my game). If "yes", here is what I think: - Optimal chose for the body should be UNPB. It's flat on min weight and comparable to CBBE on max. If really i think that Elin must be completely flat, but not giving options for breast size is not good idea. - TBBP is unnecessary. TBBP mainly made for normal scaled body with huge breasts, and not for little races like Elin. Flat and bbp options is all you need. Flat and min weight of bbp body have same shape, so this should not be a problem making both version of armor. But if it's a problem, then the best way is keep only UNPB BBP with increased min weight to 15-20 for HDT, or flat UNP (or even original) without physics. Second is more preferable. As for third variant - Tera body looks good too, and it seems that it's already have some good looking armor. I mean this is how Elin should look in Skyrim. All other stuff is unnecessary. PS: adding stuff like HDT belly and butt nods for Elin is pointless This is where I encounter the "different people with different preferences" problem. UNP/UNPB is great for making a flat or small chest, large hips and thighs body, but people like Outfit Studio, they want to be able to convert an armor to their favorate body. I was using the Clothing Body Style Convertor by gerra6 and the results were better than expected, but ran into problems with foot and hand seams. I'll need to check his other tools to fix the seams. If all goes well, I can start converting the Tera armors to fit the Tera body. Hi Installed the Elin race, but I got some problems with the hands. They look like they are from another body. I can't place any links.... Hope somebody can help me. Without at least screenshots, I can only guess. Do you have other body replacers installed (other than for the Elins)? Is there a seam gap? hands bigger or smaller than the arm? Hand textures not matching the body textures?
Eikichi Onizuka Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 Yes, but which body to use? Tera Body? Elin 2 body (UNP)? With or without HDT? The armors need to be converted to an "Elin" body, whether CBBE, UNP, or Tera body. The one gripe I hear about the race is the lack of armors that do not alter the Elin-shape. I also came to the conclusion that BodySlide 2 is the cause of the body mesh having abnormalities. Tried the latest and the results were no different than the earlier versions. In comparison, if I use the Tera body, Elin 2 UNP, CBBE or UNP body (no bodyslide), even the Lady Body, there were no mesh distortions under the breasts and above the buttocks. PS: adding stuff like HDT belly and butt nods for Elin is pointless muster a Nice IMHO I have a x117 body meshe, with butt node, and it works great! it works perfectly! with HDT and during the walk and with dance mod, is a particular feature, spectacular! is retrograde without it these days.. all this, is possible without ruining distorting the original Elin 2 body, maybe just to be able to more armor, because it would be like betraying the original work, the author betrays himself to meet the needs of others, that would be stupid..! IMHO Ps: I hate the very large Hips/Butt of some kind bodies.. the original Elin 2 UNP body shape is the best reference for Elin charcter
DisNeko Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 Hi Installed the Elin race, but I got some problems with the hands. They look like they are from another body. I can't place any links.... Hope somebody can help me. Without at least screenshots, I can only guess. Do you have other body replacers installed (other than for the Elins)? Is there a seam gap? hands bigger or smaller than the arm? Hand textures not matching the body textures? I got UNP installed as well. There is a small seam gap and the hands are bigger then the arm.
Detrax Posted August 20, 2014 Posted August 20, 2014 This is where I encounter the "different people with different preferences" problem. UNP/UNPB is great for making a flat or small chest, large hips and thighs body, but people like Outfit Studio, they want to be able to convert an armor to their favorate body. I was using the Clothing Body Style Convertor by gerra6 and the results were better than expected, but ran into problems with foot and hand seams. castanic f h02.JPG I'll need to check his other tools to fix the seams. If all goes well, I can start converting the Tera armors to fit the Tera body. It will be great if you find fix for seams, but isn't Tera body (or rather Elin body) has bigger thighs and butt (x1.5 atleast), or it's just min weight on pic? And "problen with seems", you mean with max weight like this? PS: i think this will look good as replacer for glass armor PSS: "Different preferences" is not really a reason for changing the body. Elin already has original shape in Tera game, and it's not make diference if someone like it or not. Elin should look like Elin - is my position. They should be small, flat, with big thighs, and if Elin need to have something bouncing, it's only the butt. And it's not matter if someone wants to convert your armor conversion. It's their problem, not yours. They can use original armor or another conversion to do that, and you can use anything that can help to achieve the goal. @Iuki We talk about this mod, not Elin2. HDT belly and butt physics is good for body like 7B, it's not really good looks with cbbe/unp, and it's pointless for Elin body, cuz Elin is too small and thin. PS: Elin2 IS a betrayal of the original work! IMHO =)
PsychoMachina Posted August 20, 2014 Author Posted August 20, 2014 Hi Installed the Elin race, but I got some problems with the hands. They look like they are from another body. I can't place any links.... Hope somebody can help me. Without at least screenshots, I can only guess. Do you have other body replacers installed (other than for the Elins)? Is there a seam gap? hands bigger or smaller than the arm? Hand textures not matching the body textures? I got UNP installed as well. There is a small seam gap and the hands are bigger then the arm. The hands are big because of the skeleton; I scaled the hands larger than normal. If you also have the UNP body installed, the game is trying to load that body along with the Elin's body. You might have the UNP hands which is why they are larger and the presence of a wrist gap. Uninstall the UNP body and see if that fixed the hands. This is where I encounter the "different people with different preferences" problem. UNP/UNPB is great for making a flat or small chest, large hips and thighs body, but people like Outfit Studio, they want to be able to convert an armor to their favorate body. I was using the Clothing Body Style Convertor by gerra6 and the results were better than expected, but ran into problems with foot and hand seams. castanic f h02.JPG I'll need to check his other tools to fix the seams. If all goes well, I can start converting the Tera armors to fit the Tera body. It will be great if you find fix for seams, but isn't Tera body (or rather Elin body) has bigger thighs and butt (x1.5 atleast), or it's just min weight on pic? And "problen with seems", you mean with max weight like this? PS: i think this will look good as replacer for glass armor PSS: "Different preferences" is not really a reason for changing the body. Elin already has original shape in Tera game, and it's not make diference if someone like it or not. Elin should look like Elin - is my position. They should be small, flat, with big thighs, and if Elin need to have something bouncing, it's only the butt. And it's not matter if someone wants to convert your armor conversion. It's their problem, not yours. They can use original armor or another conversion to do that, and you can use anything that can help to achieve the goal. @Iuki We talk about this mod, not Elin2. HDT belly and butt physics is good for body like 7B, it's not really good looks with cbbe/unp, and it's pointless for Elin body, cuz Elin is too small and thin. PS: Elin2 IS a betrayal of the original work! IMHO =) If you look at the pic of the armor conversion, the ankle and wrist seams are fluted. This is different than the typical seam or gap. The Tera body does not have that large of thighs and buttocks, but the UNP bodies I made do have more robust thighs and buttocks. If I can work out the minor problems with the armor converter then I can limit the body options to the Tera body and a BBP/TBBP/HDT body.
Detrax Posted August 20, 2014 Posted August 20, 2014 @PsychoMachina Hm. Is armor packs for Elin from Tera Mod Collection doesn't use Tera body?
Eikichi Onizuka Posted August 20, 2014 Posted August 20, 2014 I also came to the conclusion that BodySlide 2 is the cause of the body mesh having abnormalities. Tried the latest and the results were no different than the earlier versions. In comparison, if I use the Tera body, Elin 2 UNP, CBBE or UNP body (no bodyslide), even the Lady Body, there were no mesh distortions under the breasts and above the buttocks. from japanese site, conversation between users: "but I do wonder that ledge of the pubic bone of the image does not somehow ? I do say that the normal time, but it becomes conspicuous little when Dari crouched. It was a little relaxation with a negative Hip bone, but this wonder if no specification on how the body anymore I think mitigation to be if ask bleed lightly boundary in Weight Paint mode I do not you do nothing but increase vertex still if you do not like it In Blender!" I hope it can help.. it seems that some distortions can be corrected using Blend, through a feature called "Weight Paint mode"
PsychoMachina Posted August 20, 2014 Author Posted August 20, 2014 @PsychoMachina Hm. Is armor packs for Elin from Tera Mod Collection doesn't use Tera body? I know the earlier Elin armors were meant to be worn by any race to imitate an Elin. The cuirass and body are one piece and the Elin head was worn as a mask/helm. The Elin armors from the Fox6000 collection uses the CBBE Slim and UNP Petite(?) bodies. I also came to the conclusion that BodySlide 2 is the cause of the body mesh having abnormalities. Tried the latest and the results were no different than the earlier versions. In comparison, if I use the Tera body, Elin 2 UNP, CBBE or UNP body (no bodyslide), even the Lady Body, there were no mesh distortions under the breasts and above the buttocks. from japanese site, conversation between users: "but I do wonder that ledge of the pubic bone of the image does not somehow ? I do say that the normal time, but it becomes conspicuous little when Dari crouched. It was a little relaxation with a negative Hip bone, but this wonder if no specification on how the body anymore 54043.jpg I think mitigation to be if ask bleed lightly boundary in Weight Paint mode 54052.jpg I do not you do nothing but increase vertex still if you do not like it In Blender!" I hope it can help.. it seems that some distortions can be corrected using Blend, through a feature called "Weight Paint mode" Thanks, but now I'm realizing the problem is XPMS Extended. Starting with a skeleton from Groovtama's XPMSE set, I reset all of the node scaling (1.0000) and tweaking with the racemenu sliders I was able to fix the torso problem. So it looks like I'll be reworking the skeletons. I should have realized this sooner, Elin 1 did not have this problem because it uses an older XPMS whereas Elin 2 uses XPMS Extended.
Detrax Posted August 23, 2014 Posted August 23, 2014 I know the earlier Elin armors were meant to be worn by any race to imitate an Elin. The cuirass and body are one piece and the Elin head was worn as a mask/helm. The Elin armors from the Fox6000 collection uses the CBBE Slim and UNP Petite(?) bodies. I see. As expected, Tera body is better than UNP. UNP may has bigger thighs, but it has bigger arms, legs and torso too, so thighs looks even smaller. Well, body from Mod Collection is still the best that i seen. Too bad it's just imitation. How's conversion going?
PsychoMachina Posted August 23, 2014 Author Posted August 23, 2014 It's slow going. Still working on the skeletons. Too many nodes!!!
Huntchez Posted August 26, 2014 Posted August 26, 2014 Big problem here. I download Elin and many of the optional files, installed them properly, but now wether I load a game or start a new one, I Crash to Desktop. Before this, my last big mod was Sky Kids. I doubt there'd be any incompadibilities as I did not download any mod to replace the orphans or any children already affecy by SK. Any way to fix the Elin mod crashing Skyrim?
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