SexLab Defeat

[botdayzer]

"Resist mid SexLab scenez" never worked fine for me. In most cases struggle bar not activate and resist action not start, when i pushing down both resist keys. when I press both resistance keys. In a rare case, this resistance is automatically started at the beginning of the sex lab scene. But the 15 seconds timer does not work, you can resist endlessly. 

I have found:

"State PushAway Resist during sexlab animation"

"If (Input.IsKeyPressed(StrafeL) && Input.IsKeyPressed(StrafeR))  RessConfig.StrugglePushAwayTrigger(TheNext, Player)"  in defeatplayer.pcs,

"State StrugglePushAway" and "Elseif (StruggleResistTime == 14) || (StruggleVictim.GetActorValue("Stamina") <= 5.0)" in defeatconfig.pcs.

 

But i have not found, how these states activates.

 

Could someone explain, how does "Resist mid SexLab scenez" works, starts or how fix this action start?

[Tlam99]

Struggle bar not visible ?

Sometimes you see yourself knocked out, no control, no keyboard respose, no struggle bar.

 

I depends...

 

If you are in 3rd person and zoomed in a little bit, the image of seeing you knocked out is only part of the full screen.

The struggle bar is out of the visible range, even so in 1st person.

Go in MCM and set the bar y50, upper end of monitor.

If above mentioned happens again, just hit free camera and hit again for 3rd.

Now  I see the struggle bar in my setup.

[botdayzer]

9 hours ago, Tlam99 said:

Struggle bar not visible ?

Sometimes you see yourself knocked out, no control, no keyboard respose, no struggle bar.

 

I depends...

 

If you are in 3rd person and zoomed in a little bit, the image of seeing you knocked out is only part of the full screen.

The struggle bar is out of the visible range, even so in 1st person.

Go in MCM and set the bar y50, upper end of monitor.

If above mentioned happens again, just hit free camera and hit again for 3rd.

Now  I see the struggle bar in my setup.

 

Gotha. 
I figured it out. There are two resistance bars in the middle of the scene to escape. White bar is from SL Defeat and pink bar is from Araused Creatures. White bar works once - if you lose before the scene, then repeated resistance in the middle of the stage is impossible. Although the description of mod does not say this, and it seems that you can resist before the scene and during the scene 1 time each. Pink Bar - Works differently from Arauced Creatures. It turns on during a scene and has no time limit.
It would be very very cool if someone could rebuild the original defeatplayer and defeatconfig scripts so that there are two possibilities of resistance - before and during the scene. Or at least increase from 15 (== 14) seconds to 30...

Edited August 16, 2022 by botdayzer

[GGsimida2077]

On 8/8/2022 at 1:01 PM, safado said:

 

Are these not updates to the Original 5.3.5 2016?

Not trying to be smart ass, the updates by other authors are spread in the forum, and the search feature suck.

• Defeat V5.3.6 Bane 24112021  Nov 24, 2021,  Original Patched by BaneMaster
  • Dynamic Defeat LRG Patch V1.4 (for Defeat Version 5.3.6) feature add-on by  AndrewLRG
• Defeat Baka Edition LE/SE 1.45  Jul 02, 2022, Original extended by FactoryClose
  • Compatible with FactoryClose other mods.

 

Only use one of these.

Do not use patches for the 5.3.5 version with these. I use BaneMaster version with AndrewLRG add-on because it currently has better fixes, but will move to the Baka Edition eventually, it just needs better NPC-NPc patching.  Consider BaneMaster version the last version.  Defeat Baka is currently being actively maintained by FactoryClose and hopefully become better than BaneMaster 5.3.6 version.

Thanks indeed! I have to say I've definitely searched the forums more than once but never gotten those two search results LOL

[greenmango12]

On 8/8/2022 at 2:01 PM, safado said:

 

Are these not updates to the Original 5.3.5 2016?

Not trying to be smart ass, the updates by other authors are spread in the forum, and the search feature suck.

• Defeat V5.3.6 Bane 24112021  Nov 24, 2021,  Original Patched by BaneMaster
  • Dynamic Defeat LRG Patch V1.4 (for Defeat Version 5.3.6) feature add-on by  AndrewLRG
• Defeat Baka Edition LE/SE 1.45  Jul 02, 2022, Original extended by FactoryClose
  • Compatible with FactoryClose other mods.

 

Only use one of these.

Do not use patches for the 5.3.5 version with these. I use BaneMaster version with AndrewLRG add-on because it currently has better fixes, but will move to the Baka Edition eventually, it just needs better NPC-NPc patching.  Consider BaneMaster version the last version.  Defeat Baka is currently being actively maintained by FactoryClose and hopefully become better than BaneMaster 5.3.6 version.

Is there link, which describe detai about Bane version?  (and AndrewLRG)

I could not understand, so what is improved or added about Bane version and with AndrewLRG^^;

at that time, I could not ask about those though....  (I use another mod eg,, baka edition and Yamete for specific purpose)

 

OK now I understand (the link is what Bane describe fix), then AndrewLRG was to use DAR then may user swap animation as they need?  or someone know the original topic about AndrewLRG? 

Edited August 28, 2022 by greenmango12

[Herowynne]

3 hours ago, greenmango12 said:

AndrewLRG was to use DAR then may user swap animation as they need? 

 

No, not that. The patch from @AndrewLRG adds a Dynamic Defeat feature.

 

Here are the links to version 1.2 and version 1.3 of the Dynamic Defeat patch from AndrewLRG. These posts describe the Dynamic Defeat feature.

 

Version 1.2

 

 

 

Version 1.3

 

 

Edited August 28, 2022 by Herowynne

[greenmango12]

3 hours ago, Herowynne said:

 

No, not that. The patch from @AndrewLRG adds a Dynamic Defeat feature.

 

Here are the links to version 1.2 and version 1.3 of the Dynamic Defeat patch from AndrewLRG. These posts describe the Dynamic Defeat feature.

 

I see. thanks you take time to guide me !  

[DUSabot]

Hey ya'll, I'm sorry if this has been asked before, but after a bit of searching I haven't been able to find a definitive answer:  Can you rebind this mods keys?  the description lists surrender, target, action, etc keys as "defaults" but there doesn't seem to be any way to rebind them? I've checked all the sexlab MCM menus, and i've poked around the mod's files to see if there were any obviously named configuration files.  So far, nothing.   I'm messing around trying to setup a somewhat large list and having a bunch of unlisted keys I can't rebind is a pain.

[Hex Bolt]

4 minutes ago, DUSabot said:

the description lists surrender, target, action, etc keys as "defaults" but there doesn't seem to be any way to rebind them?

Click the line in the MCM that shows the function's current hotkey, and you'll be prompted to select a different one.

[DUSabot]

On 8/28/2022 at 10:04 PM, HexBolt8 said:

Click the line in the MCM that shows the function's current hotkey, and you'll be prompted to select a different one.

 

On 8/28/2022 at 10:04 PM, HexBolt8 said:

Click the line in the MCM that shows the function's current hotkey, and you'll be prompted to select a different one.

Thanks for the reply!  Unfortunately, the MCM menu for defeat doesn't show those keys.  It only displays the "modifier" and "option" keys  but doesn't show the "surrender" or "action" keys which, incidentally, are the ones I'd like to rebind.  If you have the option to change these it probably means i've got an issue with my setup, but It's not clear from reading the mod's page if that's the case.

[Hex Bolt]

7 hours ago, DUSabot said:

It only displays the "modifier" and "option" keys  but doesn't show the "surrender" or "action" keys

Surrender key is on the "player as victim page".  You do of course have to enable that option on the first page.

[darrkrad]

Hey guys, I have a question. It's not a big problem, I can easily live with it, but when I use the "tie permanently" option, there's no animation and the character bugs out, so he can move freely even though he's supposed to be tied up? 

 

I welcome any hints or advise, though it's not impossible that I messed something up.

 

Edit : I have absolutely no idea what I did, but it's fixed, so nevermind.

Edited August 31, 2022 by darrkrad

[DonQuiWho]

On 12/17/2021 at 9:24 AM, Vets said:

 

I assume your character is male? You can enable player victim then enable "player can be knocked down by everyone" but disable "male allowed". Your character should now go into a knocked down state but then be ignored for your female followers. Only seems to work with Bane's version.

 

 

Does this actually work?  I can't seem to make it happen as described in my male slaver profile, as my male orc character always dies

 

Two things come to mind, so if anyone has made it work OK:

 

- are they using the 'essential' or 'wound' settings?

- what race is your character?  I'm beginning to wonder if it's an 'Orcs must Die' thing   LOL

 

TIA for any suggestions

 

[safado]

13 hours ago, DonQuiWho said:

 

Does this actually work?  I can't seem to make it happen as described in my male slaver profile, as my male orc character always dies

 

Two things come to mind, so if anyone has made it work OK:

 

- are they using the 'essential' or 'wound' settings?

- what race is your character?  I'm beginning to wonder if it's an 'Orcs must Die' thing   LOL

 

TIA for any suggestions

 

 

I have never tried in a male PC, most "lewd" mods for Skyrim are targeting female PC. 

 

Do you have another mod, that also set "Essential" on the PC?  Something like another "defeat" mod or Babodialogue?  (defeat mod that is not SL defeat like Death Alternative or other)

 

If more than one mod is setting essential, depending on the implementation, they can cancel each other.  It happened to me with babodialgue and sl defeat using essential during defeat, I disabled babodialgue option.

 

I'm using the Banemaster version combined with "Dynamic Defeat" add-on.  Essential and dynamic combined, what ever triggers first.   Sometimes it even works on NPC vs NPC, but it depends on papyrus overhead.

 

Link to Banemaster patched version is a few posts above.  Start testing on default, and tweak as you see fit.  I my setup, wound, stun, exhaustion, and vulnerability are disabled, but you may want it enabled to test the mod is working because does setting trigger defeat faster before health is zero.   Unless papyrus is overloaded and triggers late.  

 

You can also make sure "Player as victim" has a hot-key set, normally K, but you need to make sure is not shared with other mods.  Use the hotkey to trigger surrender to enemy humanoid NPC.  It is the faster to manually trigger and test the basics of the mod, after that test defeat scenarios based on your setup.  Also make sure to take a look at the "Assault by NPC"\Knockdown transition, to set behavior with a follower. 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 4, 2022 by safado

[DonQuiWho]

10 hours ago, safado said:

 

I have never tried in a male PC, most "lewd" mods for Skyrim are targeting female PC. 

 

Do you have another mod, that also set "Essential" on the PC?  Something like another "defeat" mod or Babodialogue?  (defeat mod that is not SL defeat like Death Alternative or other)

 

If more than one mod is setting essential, depending on the implementation, they can cancel each other.  It happened to me with babodialgue and sl defeat using essential during defeat, I disabled babodialgue option.

 

I'm using the Banemaster version combined with "Dynamic Defeat" add-on.  Essential and dynamic combined, what ever triggers first.   Sometimes it even works on NPC vs NPC, but it depends on papyrus overhead.

 

Link to Banemaster patched version is a few posts above.  Start testing on default, and tweak as you see fit.  I my setup, wound, stun, exhaustion, and vulnerability are disabled, but you may want it enabled to test the mod is working because does setting trigger defeat faster before health is zero.   Unless papyrus is overloaded and triggers late.  

 

You can also make sure "Player as victim" has a hot-key set, normally K, but you need to make sure is not shared with other mods.  Use the hotkey to trigger surrender to enemy humanoid NPC.  It is the faster to manually trigger and test the basics of the mod, after that test defeat scenarios based on your setup.  Also make sure to take a look at the "Assault by NPC"\Knockdown transition, to set behavior with a follower. 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks

 

I'm trying SL Defeat SSE.5.3.6 Bane Live 08022022 at the moment, with some of the settings you have suggested and I have mede progress to the point that the PC doesn't die.  No followers are engaged, so I'll try tweaking a few other things - maybe knockdown length is too short for the game to 'catch up' ? - as well as a few other ideas

[DonQuiWho]

On 9/5/2022 at 10:48 AM, DonQuiWho said:

 

Thanks

 

I'm trying SL Defeat SSE.5.3.6 Bane Live 08022022 at the moment, with some of the settings you have suggested and I have mede progress to the point that the PC doesn't die.  No followers are engaged, so I'll try tweaking a few other things - maybe knockdown length is too short for the game to 'catch up' ? - as well as a few other ideas

 

@Bane Master + Anyone else who might help

 

2 Queries

 

1 - Player Race

 

• I have been playing using Bane Master's 'SL Defeat SSE.5.3.6 Bane Live 08022022' version) with a Male ORC PC
•  
• So, revisiting this question quickly, are there any reasons why Defeat, this or any other version, might not work properly if the PC is an ORC?
•  
• I could never get a Defeat scenario to progress to the 'normal' Defeat outcome with a female assailant and ORC PC.  Most often, but infuriatingly not always) the ORC PC just straightout died, irrespective of knockdown type/status, eg set as Essential, Knock Down by Wound etc! 
•  
• I got a chanc eto try changing the PC Race to Imperial (and also set Struggle as valid), and immediately the knockdown event seemed to function correctly - insofar as a 'normal' assault outcome took place - just like in games from as far back as I can remember  (although I still need to test some tweaking on the Animation Settings to ensure F/M works as intended - basically, I think I screwed those up  LOL)   (Should say that with PC set as an ORC, the outcome, ie death, was independent of Struggle being ON or OFF)
•  
• Bottom line question is, does the PC 'Race' matter/make a difference, within Defeat's workings?

 

2 - Range

 

• Within what 'physical' range do Followers have to be of the main PC event/assault encounter, for them to be engaged by the victorious villains?  I see them get knocked down OK, but no assault seems to take place, and they need to be 'Revived', after the baddies have moved on from the scene, before they get back in the game.  Visually their knockdown looks about 50/75 yards from the PC knockdown
•  
• I see fighting NPCs, engaged with each other or creatures, disappearing into the far distance with Screen messages that imply that an assault has happened, somewhere well out of visual sight, and also confirmed to by the 'Fill Her Up' mod's reports that a cum exchanging event took place, and consequently I'm puzzled as to why local followers may be left alone
•  
• So, does the follower distance from the PC matter on PC knockdown, for their being engaged?  If so, whaty is it, pls?

 

 

As ever, TIA for any info / help etc

 

DQW

[Bane Master]

10 minutes ago, DonQuiWho said:

Bottom line question is, does the PC 'Race' matter/make a difference, within Defeat's workings?

 

I've not come across anything that would explain this although I've never looked into it explicitly.

 

 

22 minutes ago, DonQuiWho said:

So, does the follower distance from the PC matter on PC knockdown, for their being engaged?  If so, whaty is it, pls?

 

Although the Quest that grabs the actors uses the Loaded Area - the script that handles Aggressors is limited in range  by the use of :

 

.GetDistance(Victim) <= 2000.0

 

In a number of functions - so I assume effective range is 2000 units or just over 90', so the followers and aggressors need to be in fairly close proximity.

 

[DonQuiWho]

11 hours ago, Bane Master said:

 

I've not come across anything that would explain this although I've never looked into it explicitly.

 

 

 

Although the Quest that grabs the actors uses the Loaded Area - the script that handles Aggressors is limited in range  by the use of :

 

.GetDistance(Victim) <= 2000.0

 

In a number of functions - so I assume effective range is 2000 units or just over 90', so the followers and aggressors need to be in fairly close proximity.

 

 

Thanks.

 

I think that that range limitation almost certainly accounts for what I saw

 

Meantime, I'll maintain the ethnicity change.  After all, things are the wrong way round if one is trying to prevent Orcs dying when they really should

[Hex Bolt]

A public service announcement, so hopefully others won't repeat my blunder.

 

I had trouble with Defeat not working in my latest game.  I'd imported my settings, everything looked fine, but on bleedout my character was stuck with no struggle bar and no ability to look around.

 

I wasted a lot of time looking through the scripts for a nonexistent problem.  Then I tried simply toggling the "Essential - On Bleedout" setting.  That worked.  So often, it's the simple things that succeed where complex approaches fail.

 

Thinking back, my goof was that early in the game when I had enabled Defeat, I started it on its MCM page, then imported settings without leaving the MCM.  Defeat correctly sets the quest alias reference when the On Bleedout setting is imported, but the quest hadn't had a chance to start because I hadn't left the MCM yet.  I confirmed that by going back to before the point where I'd tried toggling the setting.  Simply reimporting the settings worked.  This was not Defeat's fault, just a consequence of how it works.

 

Lesson Learned:  After enabling Defeat, a player must exit the MCM entirely before importing Defeat settings.

[PapaBearIsHere]

got a warning that said >>Warning: \character\behaviors\FNIS_Defeat_Behavior.hkx not Skyrim SE compatible<< after installing this mod and checking things with FNIS, what do I do?

[MadMansGun]

1 hour ago, PapaBearIsHere said:

got a warning that said >>Warning: \character\behaviors\FNIS_Defeat_Behavior.hkx not Skyrim SE compatible<< after installing this mod and checking things with FNIS, what do I do?

you are on the LE support page, uninstall this and go find & download the SE version of this mod,

[Steel97494]

I really miss the old "xxx wants to rape xxx!" message that displayed whenever an NPC-on-NPC scenario was taking place, resulted in good laughs for me sometimes. Dunno why they changed it to "moves toward"

[ck2modfan]

Looking to create functionality that when drink a potion in combat there is a small chance that it causes some reaction that results in surrender. I can create the onequipitem logic. Is there an easy way for the script to simulate surrender key press? or call an event that would cause the PC to surrender? saw this idea in naked defeat mod. would like to try to string something together for defeat.

[DewyCave]

I can't get Robberies to trigger, even at 100%. Tried many times with different settings, different enemies... And it used to work fine on other saves. Could SL Survival or RapeTattoos prevent it?

[WCSC]

8 hours ago, DewyCave said:

I can't get Robberies to trigger, even at 100%. Tried many times with different settings, different enemies... And it used to work fine on other saves. Could SL Survival or RapeTattoos prevent it?

Where is Defeat in your Load Order?