SexLab Defeat

[Monoman1]

 

 

So this has been bugging me for a while now - Dragons. Defeat doesn't seem to work on them most of the time. I thought it might be something to do with Deadly dragons or Dragon combat overhaul (I was looking into a way to suspend DCO while defeat is active) but even vanilla dragons seem to have trouble. 

 

Normally what happens is you make a stupid mistake (get stuck in a log/stone/Lydia while backpedaling) and get cooked. 

One of two things usually happen then:

1. DA bleedout triggers but defeat does not seem to. You'll get DAs bleedout bar but not defeats struggle bar.

2. DA bleedout triggers, defeat seems to trigger but skips straight to escape and the struggle to get up bar appears and the scene is ended. 

 

It's usually case 1 I find. 

 

My biggest problem with this is that dragons are more or less neutered (In more ways than one!). Generally the flow of a dragon fight is like this:

Stupid mistake -> Enter bleedout -> Dragon ignores you -> attack times out -> get up -> Stupid mistake -> Enter bleedout -> Dragon ignores you -> attack times out -> get up

 

Lather, rinse, repeat until you've won. The only time blackout occurs is if you're unlucky enough to bleedout in a pool of dragons fire thats left on the ground. 

And so dragons no longer have that fear factor. 

 

I've done some testing and from what I can tell the only problem seems to be that they are flying. I've had a quick look through defeats scripts but can't find any exclusion for flying. If you use dragonrend on a dragon before he 'defeats' you then defeat seems to operate reliably. Would it be a solution  to add the dragonrend spell to hostile dragons when a defeat scene starts, allow extra time for them to land and extra distance for the attack to begin since dragons are big? 

 

Not sure it explains why dragons ignore me in bleedout when knocked down the second time. Probably more to do with their massive aggro area - chasing rabbits around the tundra... 

 

I wish to fear dragons again

 

 

So I created a little mod that hooks into DAs bleedout event and adds the dragonrend spell to the dragon. Unfortunately by the time the dragon lands defeat has already processed through and your left in a bleed out state. Happily though, by the time you recover from the first attack the dragon is now grounded and usually in a position to roast your ass again which then triggers defeat properly. Something at least.

 

Edit: Just to add to this I've noticed you also can not surrender to a flying dragon. When they land though you can. 

[DarkRavage]

Is it possible to add an option for threesome necro since FB has animation for those?

[pewpewsmurfer]

strange female seem to work fine for necro but when I try it with a male, constantly being teleported to some random location across the map and fall to his death after a loading screen

[Sneaksmile]

 

 

Hello, I need help, something strange happens to me with this mod, everything works perfectly except for one thing ... when I choose any of the rape options in a tied or not tied victim, the animation with the main character takes too long to start, TOO LONG, I do not know which is the correct term for that but it is a kind of lag, it's sometimes even worse because the animation simply not occurs, and regarding to the followers is almost as slow to start but not so slow. The curious thing about this it's the fact about animations of creatures with which nothing similar happens, because all animations with dogs, bears, horses, and more, start in one or two seconds.

 

Help. 

I really don't know what could cause that, does this do the same thing on a new game?

 

 

 

 

I have tested it in a new game and it works perfect, there is no lag, so, some suggestion to fix it in my main game with character level 55? I do not want to start over 

 

I'm not very good with the keyboard actually I play my game with Xbox 360 controller, using the control pad (the left cross) I can add the Surrender Key and the Action Key, but I can not add the Modifier Key, for some reason the fact that it has to be pressed does not make it work, any suggestions to add it ?, I have tried with one of the triggers of the controller but it does not work. 

 

Finally ... Is there any specific configuration for just running aggressive animations?, I have placed in all tabs only '' aggressive '' '' aggressive '' '' aggressive '' and '' aggressive '', but in game only appear mostly mutual agreement animations.

 

Thanks by respond! 

[MsOtaku]

Is it possible to add an option for threesome necro since FB has animation for those?

 

Option? The animations just happen or you can change them via the aggressive animations page in SL. Or do you mean an option to command followers to have a threesome with a dead NPC? Or your PC and your follower shagging someone else? Because that can be done in Defeat. Even if the NPC I have chosen for a victim is alive I've noticed that the necro threesome animation is used when I have two of my followers rape a sleeping NPC.

 

EDIT: Make sure you have "Dead Option" enabled under "Player/Follower Aggressor".

[MsOtaku]

 

So if I get this right your char dies in the middle of the sex scene? Not from my mod that's for sure, try to open the console and click on your char, you should have some info with the mfg console (included in SexLab), look for active effects and spells on your char, it's probably a spell that is added to your char that makes you die, I don't use deadly drain but maybe there is an option for the player to be hurt during aggressive scenes?

 

Okay, I installed mfg console a few days ago, purposely got into some trouble, and got the same results. I opened up my console (wish I could post a screen shot but, it wouldn't let me take any. I guess because I was in console mode.) and selected "Active" and the only things that I could find that I think would cause problems were "Stamina regeneration damage" and "Health regeneration damage" from Apropos Wear and Tear.

 

Do you think it's possible that this is ticking away my PC's health and that's why she dies mid rape? She doesn't have to get raped in order for her to have wear and tear "damage". So if she's been on a shagging spree then goes into combat, loses, gets assaulted when she's already got a damage "spell" from W&T, I guess it doesn't help her health. Again, I'm not 100% sure on this. I'll ask over on the Apropos thread and see if the mod author knows if this might be my issue.

[bicobus]

Not sure your issue is linked to defeat. As goubo said, something is happening to your character while the sexlab anim is taking place. Did you tried to use the invulnerable setting, see if it changes anything?

[MsOtaku]

Well, after what I saw was active on my character, as in "spells," I'm starting to believe that it's not Defeat as well. When you say "invulnerable setting" do you mean the option to make her not die? That option that says "WARNING DO NOT USE IF YOU HAVE DA INSTALLED?" That one? Nope. But, I'll give it a shot. I don't want her to be invincible. Dying is fine if she doesn't run away in time after she's been raped.

 

I just want to fix this issue. It's frustrating. I'm pretty convinced that some other mod or mods are causing this. I guess it's back to start uninstalling and testing....

 

EDIT:  gooser says,  "Apropos doesn't apply damage over time (to any stat), it merely reduces the rate of recovery." So, it's not likely that his mod is causing my problem.

 

Going back into testing mode.

[DarkRavage]

 

Is it possible to add an option for threesome necro since FB has animation for those?

 

Option? The animations just happen or you can change them via the aggressive animations page in SL. Or do you mean an option to command followers to have a threesome with a dead NPC? Or your PC and your follower shagging someone else? Because that can be done in Defeat. Even if the NPC I have chosen for a victim is alive I've noticed that the necro threesome animation is used when I have two of my followers rape a sleeping NPC.

 

EDIT: Make sure you have "Dead Option" enabled under "Player/Follower Aggressor".

 

 

I mean command follower to have threesome necro with a corpse. I know it is possible with sleeping NPC since they are "alive".

[MsOtaku]

 

 

Is it possible to add an option for threesome necro since FB has animation for those?

 

Option? The animations just happen or you can change them via the aggressive animations page in SL. Or do you mean an option to command followers to have a threesome with a dead NPC? Or your PC and your follower shagging someone else? Because that can be done in Defeat. Even if the NPC I have chosen for a victim is alive I've noticed that the necro threesome animation is used when I have two of my followers rape a sleeping NPC.

 

EDIT: Make sure you have "Dead Option" enabled under "Player/Follower Aggressor".

 

 

I mean command follower to have threesome necro with a corpse. I know it is possible with sleeping NPC since they are "alive".

 

 

I have the same options when clicking on a dead body as I do when clicking on a sleeping one. I have not ever commanded my followers to shag a dead NPC. All I can say is if you have "Dead Option" enabled, go kill a baddie and try commanding your follower. If I get the chance before you, I'll come back and let you know. I'm not in a location where I can go on a killing/raping spree at the moment.

[chipstick]

Hi Goubo,

 

I hope this isnt something that has already been brought up - creature threesome animations (PC Victim function) are sort of broken right now. If the PC gets defeated by a group that includes more than one species of creature (e.g falmer and chaurus; bear + 2 wolves, etc), then a threesome animation can trigger, but defeat doesnt ensure that only the right species get selected as actors in a threesome animation.

 

So a falmer threesome can activate involving the PC, one falmer and one chaurus. That breaks the animation. Same if a wolf threesome plays, but the selected actors include a wolf and a bear.

 

Or am I just missing something when configuring defeat, and have been too dumb to work it out?

 

Thanks for your continuing work on defeat. It's such an important part of my sexlab playthroughs.

 

[Tautochrone]

My follower trying to rape herself every time her hp is close to needed percent for defeat action. Help.

My follower trying to rape herself every time her hp is close to needed percent for defeat action. Help.

My follower trying to rape herself every time her hp is close to needed percent for defeat action. Help.

[MsOtaku]

My follower trying to rape herself every time her hp is close to needed percent for defeat action. Help.

 

Do you mean masturbate? How is your follower trying to "rape herself"? What does the animation look like? You're going to have to give us more specific details so you can get a solution to your issue.

[Shade115]

 

My follower trying to rape herself every time her hp is close to needed percent for defeat action. Help.

 

Do you mean masturbate? How is your follower trying to "rape herself"? What does the animation look like? You're going to have to give us more specific details so you can get a solution to your issue.

 

 

Multiple personality disorder maybe? Jokes aside, it probably gives them a notification like "<Follower> is moving towards <Follower>" or something along those lines.

[MsOtaku]

 

 

My follower trying to rape herself every time her hp is close to needed percent for defeat action. Help.

 

Do you mean masturbate? How is your follower trying to "rape herself"? What does the animation look like? You're going to have to give us more specific details so you can get a solution to your issue.

 

 

Multiple personality disorder maybe? Jokes aside, it probably gives them a notification like "<Follower> is moving towards <Follower>" or something along those lines.

 

 

Ha! I believe you may be right. Um, about the notification. Not the multiple personality thing... unless followers are self aware now with feelings. I'm scared.

 

[Tautochrone]

 

 

My follower trying to rape herself every time her hp is close to needed percent for defeat action. Help.

 

Do you mean masturbate? How is your follower trying to "rape herself"? What does the animation look like? You're going to have to give us more specific details so you can get a solution to your issue.

 

 

Multiple personality disorder maybe? Jokes aside, it probably gives them a notification like "<Follower> is moving towards <Follower>" or something along those lines.

 

True, there are no animations. Just message and staying nacked, sometimes just in fight with WelcomeToMyRape message for "Trio" rape with some unlucky bandit, but without any bandit lol.

[naviprostar]

Hi all, I have encountered a problem where creature animation (rape) only work on followers but not on players. I have enable  creature animation on sexlab but i am not sure what is cause of this problem. 

 

Here are the sexlab mod I downloaded:

sexlab defeat (version=d2016.8.22)

sexlab framework

sexlab creature animation

more nasty creature

apropos BETA 2015

sexlab aroused 

Zaz animation pack

tdf prostitution

sexlab solution

Jcontainers

SOS

 

[originalwankster]

Not sure if this is an animation issue or a Defeat issue so I'll start by asking here. I have a male PC and a dog follower. When I command the dog to rape a downed enemy, it goes through the animation just fine. But when I tell the dog to rape with player, the player goes through his part of the MMF animation, but the dog and victim just stand in place. Can anyone else test this?

[Torkya]

Do you have a 3 way animation that includes a dog installed?  Ive seen that with other mods, you cant just adapt a 3 human animation to substitute in a dog at play time.

[originalwankster]

Yeah, I can't remember if it's part of NSAP or MNC but it lists Leito's MMF dog non-con animations ingame.

[psword]

Well, after what I saw was active on my character, as in "spells," I'm starting to believe that it's not Defeat as well. When you say "invulnerable setting" do you mean the option to make her not die? That option that says "WARNING DO NOT USE IF YOU HAVE DA INSTALLED?" That one? Nope. But, I'll give it a shot. I don't want her to be invincible. Dying is fine if she doesn't run away in time after she's been raped.

 

I just want to fix this issue. It's frustrating. I'm pretty convinced that some other mod or mods are causing this. I guess it's back to start uninstalling and testing....

 

EDIT:  gooser says,  "Apropos doesn't apply damage over time (to any stat), it merely reduces the rate of recovery." So, it's not likely that his mod is causing my problem.

 

Going back into testing mode.

 

IMO the only Mod that can kill you like that is Succubus Heart, if your desire is high enough to drain your health/magicka/stamina AND you aren't draining the NPC who assaulted you (drain not enabled or at 1 per tick).

 

Other than that, it's probably a combination of DA / Defeat / Mods scripts failing to run at bleedout, which in turn cause a bad save (and from there a total mess).

 

I would try starting a new game, with DA and Defeat properly set up (DA calling defeat on bleedout and all the related defeat options turned off) and making sure that both the bleedout timer in DA is set high enough to let all scripts run and the invulnerable period after bleedout is long enough not to cause any chain reaction (bleedout/stand-up/get some more blows/bleedout/rinse and repeat or ctd).

 

Having a list of your installed mods, related to bleedout, would help too...

[Mud]

My follower trying to rape herself every time her hp is close to needed percent for defeat action. Help.

My follower trying to rape herself every time her hp is close to needed percent for defeat action. Help.

My follower trying to rape herself every time her hp is close to needed percent for defeat action. Help.

Did you happen to try to update Defeat in the middle of a playthrough? I did that for 5.3.4 to 5.3.5 and I'm getting followers trying to rape themselves, and each other, too.

[Natayo]

Ok so there is some experimentations in this version so it may contain some bugs, but i can't test everything by myself, I'm counting on you to tell me what should be changed and if there is bugs to fix, I'll make more smaller updates from now on to fix/add things.

 

Like for the player grapple on NPC from behind, do you want some algorithm here for them to resist better? It's kinda overpowered so dunno, tell me.

When i downlowded your file it opens up solitare?  There seems to be no file here?  Could you have been hacked?

Ok so there is some experimentations in this version so it may contain some bugs, but i can't test everything by myself, I'm counting on you to tell me what should be changed and if there is bugs to fix, I'll make more smaller updates from now on to fix/add things.

 

Like for the player grapple on NPC from behind, do you want some algorithm here for them to resist better? It's kinda overpowered so dunno, tell me.

When i downlowded your file it opens up solitare?  There seems to be no file here?  Could you have been hacked?

[PubliusNV]

When i downlowded your file it opens up solitare?

 

Other people who have had this problem have been able to successfully download the file by using a different browser.

[MsOtaku]

 

Well, after what I saw was active on my character, as in "spells," I'm starting to believe that it's not Defeat as well. When you say "invulnerable setting" do you mean the option to make her not die? That option that says "WARNING DO NOT USE IF YOU HAVE DA INSTALLED?" That one? Nope. But, I'll give it a shot. I don't want her to be invincible. Dying is fine if she doesn't run away in time after she's been raped.

 

I just want to fix this issue. It's frustrating. I'm pretty convinced that some other mod or mods are causing this. I guess it's back to start uninstalling and testing....

 

EDIT:  gooser says,  "Apropos doesn't apply damage over time (to any stat), it merely reduces the rate of recovery." So, it's not likely that his mod is causing my problem.

 

Going back into testing mode.

 

IMO the only Mod that can kill you like that is Succubus Heart, if your desire is high enough to drain your health/magicka/stamina AND you aren't draining the NPC who assaulted you (drain not enabled or at 1 per tick).

 

Other than that, it's probably a combination of DA / Defeat / Mods scripts failing to run at bleedout, which in turn cause a bad save (and from there a total mess).

 

I would try starting a new game, with DA and Defeat properly set up (DA calling defeat on bleedout and all the related defeat options turned off) and making sure that both the bleedout timer in DA is set high enough to let all scripts run and the invulnerable period after bleedout is long enough not to cause any chain reaction (bleedout/stand-up/get some more blows/bleedout/rinse and repeat or ctd).

 

Having a list of your installed mods, related to bleedout, would help too...

 

 

That save is gone. I had a serious problem with Succubus Heart, not related to Defeat, but perhaps SH may have played a part with my Defeat issue. Any way, I'm having a crap ton of new issues - again not related to Defeat. If you want to see my load order you can find it here. Keep in mind I have uninstalled a lot of mods and am no longer playing as a Succubus so you won't find those mods in said list.

 

EDIT: I've had a lot of help with properly setting up DA and Defeat and it's pretty much the way you described the setup. So, I know for sure it's not Defeat.