toys Dark Desires Club

[gregaaz]

36 minutes ago, VirginMarie said:

 Maybe @gregaaz knows more on this.

I think this means Its not a plugin issue (a regular mod). But it could be a non-plugin mod (a dll based utility mod).

 

Looks like OP ran out of memory (first itemin the stack is a memory address that's a string of Fs), but you're right... this is a super sparse log with very few clues about why. There are some operating system DLLs in the probable call stack, looks like, so verifying system files (run "sfc /scannow" in the command prompt) might be worth while. 

[ADisappointment]

Quick question, how come some of the furniture doesn't work? Like for example when I go to interact with the tables my character just stands there and nothing happens but the stripper poles work? 

[VirginMarie]

36 minutes ago, ADisappointment said:

Quick question, how come some of the furniture doesn't work? Like for example when I go to interact with the tables my character just stands there and nothing happens but the stripper poles work? 

 

Have you run FNIS? Does FNIS report errors? If yes, its likely those errors.

 

Beyond that, I'd need to look into it. See if I can recreated it.

We need to get more specific. Perhaps you can get me a picture of the exact furniture and location in the club, for 2 examples.

[ADisappointment]

[ADisappointment]

2 hours ago, VirginMarie said:

 

Have you run FNIS? Does FNIS report errors? If yes, its likely those errors.

 

Beyond that, I'd need to look into it. See if I can recreated it.

We need to get more specific. Perhaps you can get me a picture of the exact furniture and location in the club, for 2 examples.

So the above image is what happens, nothing happens I just stand there locked in place for a few seconds. FNIS doesn't give me any errors however. 

[Miauzi]

Vor 6 Minuten sagte ADisappointment:

Das obige Bild ist also, was passiert, nichts passiert, ich stehe nur ein paar Sekunden lang an Ort und Stelle. FNIS gibt mir jedoch keine Fehler. 

the required animations could simply be missing
or
the object is just a table that is not intended to be interacted with

[Lenore]

Oooooh, SexLab Separate Orgasm is no longer a requirement!! I may revisit this .. awesome!

[tznvlw]

@VirginMarie

 

I hope you can optimize mod scripts to reduce performance issues caused by script stacking.?Increase the fluency of the game?By the way, from your plan, reducing those dependencies on mods, I think it will increase the smoothness of the game

[Miauzi]

Vor 59 Minuten sagte Lenore:

Oooooh, SexLab Ein separater Orgasmus ist nicht mehr erforderlich!! Ich kann das noch einmal besuchen ... großartig!

well - without this mod the core quest in this club is completely meaningless and ultimately a pure "dice game"
but who likes it that way

[Miauzi]

Well - the future will show in which direction this mod will go.

So far I've seen a BDSM club (as I know it from reality) run by a dominatrix studio ("weird" sex for money).

Everything is set in a medieval fantasy world - the location and the equipment in it are designed accordingly.

The "protective deity" would be very clear here -> Sanguine - the Deadra lord of debauchery and hedonism.

Whether the fetish components - which I personally consider an integral part of BDSM - can be preserved?

"Pink" is not "dark" enough for me ?

--

and a possible demonic "exaggeration" ala "Vampires run a blood bank" and "Succubi a sex club" as a later development goal...

..Sufficient ideas were exchanged and the problems with implementation were also indicated

(I see here one of the reasons for the current exit of the mod creator -> he simply doesn't know where the journey should go)

 

Spoiler

Nun - die Zukunft wird zeigen in welche Richtung sich dieser Mod bewegen wird.

Bisher sehe ich einen BDSM-Club (wie ich ihn auch aus der Realität kenne) der von einem Domina-Studio ("schräger" Sex gegen Geld) geführt wird.

Alles angesiedelt in einer mittelalterlichen Fantasie-Welt - entsprechend ist auch die Location und das darin befindliche Equipment konzipiert.

Die "Schutz-Gottheit" wäre hier ganz klar -> Sanguine - der Deadra-Lord der Ausschweifungen und des Hedonismus.

Ob sich die Fetisch-Komponenten - die ich persönlich für einen integralen Bestandteil des BDSM halte - erhalten lassen?

Mir ist "rosa" nicht "dunkel" genug ?

--

und eine mögliche dämonische "Überhöhung" ala "Vampire betreiben eine Blutbank" und "Succubi einen Sex-Club" als späteres Entwicklungsziel...

..Ideen wurden genügend ausgetauscht und auch die Probleme bei der Umsetzung angedeutet

(ich sehe hier einen der Gründe für den aktuellen Ausstieg des Mod-Schöpfers -> er weiss schlicht weg nicht wohin die Reise gehen soll)

 

[Lenore]

54 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

well - without this mod the core quest in this club is completely meaningless and ultimately a pure "dice game"
but who likes it that way

 

So in other words, doesn't work correctly without it?

[Miauzi]

Vor 21 Minuten sagte Lenore:

 

Mit anderen Worten, funktioniert ohne nicht richtig?

it's been a while without SLSO

but

the real purpose is controlling the orgasm to ensure the client the maximum sex pleasure - this also affects his/her money.

Without SLSO it's just pure luck.

--

the tasks set by the domina at the end of the introductory quest actually only make sense with this

sure - works without it - the standard orgasm from SL also delivers "results" - but purely coincidental

means -> you may have to try the final quest several times

--

If you don't care about all that and don't care about breaking the immersion - you can of course also play it without SLSO

you can also enjoy the atmosphere of the club without it

--

Conclusion:

Of course you can also play this mod without SLSO - it just breaks the immersion of this mod

who doesn't care - waives this requirement - full stop

(that's not a bad thing)

Spoiler

es geht schon eine Weile ohne SLSO

aber

der eigentliche Zweck ist Steuerung des Orgasmus um dem Kunden den maximalen Sex-Genuss zu sichern - das wirkt sich auch aufs Geld von ihm/ihr aus.

Ohne SLSO ist es eben reines Glücksspiel.

--

auch die von der Domina zum Abschluss des Einführungsquest gestellten Aufgaben sind eigentlich nur damit sinnvoll

klar - geht auch ohne - der Standard-Orgasmus von SL liefert auch "Ergebnisse" - aber eben rein zufällig

heisst -> man muss unter Umständen halt mehrfach das Abschlussquest versuchen

--

wem das alles egal ist und sich nicht um den Bruch der Immersion kümmert - kann es natürlich auch ohne SLSO spielen

die Atmosphäre des Clubs kann man auch ohme dem geniessen

--

Fazit:

Natürlich kann man diesen Mod auch ohne SLSO spielen - es bricht eben lediglich die Immersion dieses Mods

wem das egal ist - verzichtet auf diese Voraussetzung - punkt

(das ist ja nun nix schlimmes)

 

[Lenore]

34 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

it's been a while without SLSO

but

the real purpose is controlling the orgasm to ensure the client the maximum sex pleasure - this also affects his/her money.

Without SLSO it's just pure luck.

--

the tasks set by the domina at the end of the introductory quest actually only make sense with this

sure - works without it - the standard orgasm from SL also delivers "results" - but purely coincidental

means -> you may have to try the final quest several times

--

If you don't care about all that and don't care about breaking the immersion - you can of course also play it without SLSO

you can also enjoy the atmosphere of the club without it

--

Conclusion:

Of course you can also play this mod without SLSO - it just breaks the immersion of this mod

who doesn't care - waives this requirement - full stop

(that's not a bad thing)

 

Ahh ok, yeah I just never could get SLSO to work. Tried until I got frustrated and uninstalled the whole setup, lol. But thanks for the info!

[osculim]

When the mistress tells you to go to the fuck machine everything works great till she tells you to drink the potion and fuck the client. When you dismount the machine. You start floating through walls to the entrance and it all messes up.

[Miauzi]

Vor 32 Minuten sagte Lenore:

 

Ahh ok, ja, ich konnte SLSO einfach nie zum Laufen bringen. Versucht, bis ich frustriert war und das ganze Setup deinstallierte, lol. Aber danke für die Info!

Honestly - SLSO doesn't work perfectly for me either
but since I also need it for other SL mods - it is installed and set up (as far as I can understand - English is NOT my mother tongue)
since I usually play a succubus character, I need SLSO for "sucking off" anyway
in combination with various mods that have "sexual arousal" as their content - this often leads to multi-orgasms without having to use the special potions (e.g. "Azuras Rose")
--
So I "cheat" my way through

 

[Talesien]

3 hours ago, Miauzi said:

well - without this mod the core quest in this club is completely meaningless and ultimately a pure "dice game"
but who likes it that way

Well SLSO is a major pain in way too many cases. A nice concept and certainly a lot of thought and work that went into it, but by its nature to invasive and causing problems with about every other mod that relies on detecting orgasms from SexLab.
That aside Toys&Love has its own not too unsimilar minigame that could be substituted.

[Miauzi]

Vor 1 Minute sagte Talesien:

Nun, SLSO ist in viel zu vielen Fällen ein großer Schmerz. Ein nettes Konzept und sicherlich eine Menge Gedanken und Arbeit, die darin steckten, aber von Natur aus zu invasiv und Probleme mit ungefähr jeder anderen Mod verursachen, die auf die Erkennung von Orgasmen von SexLab angewiesen ist.
Abgesehen davon hat Toys & Love ein eigenes, nicht allzu unähnliches Minispiel, das ersetzt werden könnte.

it's not that I don't understand these problems or "sweep them off the table"
as soon as there is an adequate replacement...

[VirginMarie]

2 hours ago, osculim said:

When the mistress tells you to go to the fuck machine everything works great till she tells you to drink the potion and fuck the client. When you dismount the machine. You start floating through walls to the entrance and it all messes up.

 

Floating through walls is of course not normal, and not happening to most club victims, err, I mean customers  

So to sort out why it happened for you, first we must rule out a corrupt save. You need to start a brand new game, and see if you can recreate it.

 

if you CAN recrate it, next, need to look into any installation issue. Follow the steps and troubleshooting links on the main page. Here... I copy them for you...

• IMPORTANT: Once in game... If you can't answer YES to the following, there's an installation mistake...
  • Do you see an MCM menu for Dark Desires, Toys&Love, DD, and Sexlab? A mod's MCM is not showing
  • Run the Toys&Love - MCM - Setup tab - Installation Test. Does it pass? Steps to fix if the test in MCM failed

Troubleshooting Links (see the 4 above too):

Golden Rule

 

Edited July 22, 2022 by VirginMarie

[VirginMarie]

8 hours ago, ADisappointment said:

So the above image is what happens, nothing happens I just stand there locked in place for a few seconds. FNIS doesn't give me any errors however. 

 

Ok will check into that specific furniture item. Added it to a list I've started. Not going to give this high priority as it's likely just a one-off, or even just not intended to work. If not intended to work, I might just remove its visual activator, for example.

 

5 hours ago, Lenore said:

Oooooh, SexLab Separate Orgasm is no longer a requirement!! I may revisit this .. awesome!

 

53 minutes ago, Talesien said:

Well SLSO is a major pain in way too many cases. A nice concept and certainly a lot of thought and work that went into it, but by its nature to invasive and causing problems with about every other mod that relies on detecting orgasms from SexLab.
That aside Toys&Love has its own not too unsimilar minigame that could be substituted.

 

SLSO... it's not something I've ever ben happy about. As mentioned... evasive... also does not work. It also completely broke my mod SLaVE. It's not the only SL patch that breaks the behavior of Sexlab that mod authors expect and count on, and its one of the reasons I stopped using Sexlab and made love scenes part of Toys&Love. I lost trust in using SL because of all its hacks. The other reason is speed.

 

Toys&Love has a similar mini-game built in. It can be enabled/disabled. I think that those who try it will find that its more user friendly, and it works. You can gamify and use 5 different outcomes which you will see in the next release of Toy Story (our current major project).

 

Right now DDC is not using Toys&Love love scenes, so you either use SLSO for the "game" or you don't and you get random outcomes. 

When I switch DDC to using Toys&Love love scenes, you will then have it's mini-game option, and SLSO will be irrelevant. This change will be the very first thing I do, and we might see a release that is just that (the replacement of sexlab), or I might decide to just do the whole job in one go. We shall see.

 

5 hours ago, tznvlw said:

I hope you can optimize mod scripts to reduce performance issues caused by script stacking.?Increase the fluency of the game?By the way, from your plan, reducing those dependencies on mods, I think it will increase the smoothness of the game

 

When I stripped DD/SL/SLA from SLaVE, I shed literally 5K lines of code. DD complexity is the big one, you end up needing 20% of the code you had and this has lots to do with "playing nice with other mods" (all the checks you must do which Toys does for you but DD did not). SL is easy to swap out, and you cut the code in half in average cases.

 

To get a gain concerning graphics lag though, the mod might need to be turned into 2 cells. That's hard when not done that way from the start. Not going to happen first go at it. Maybe just the arena separate. I'm not sure how much of it is graphics versus script yet, but I will be finding out.

 

4 hours ago, Miauzi said:

Whether the fetish components - which I personally consider an integral part of BDSM - can be preserved?

"Pink" is not "dark" enough for me ?

 

The first release or two that we do will be just about requirement removal. Swapping to Toys&Love and tweaking to take advantage of that. I'm not going to touch the covenanted areas during this surgical procedure. But after that, perhaps a few months from now (best case) you can be our BDSM consultant... ok ? ? But you will have to wrestle with me hard on pink.... try to make me submit.... pink is the color of love I say!! *giggles*

 

 

 

 

[Talesien]

7 minutes ago, VirginMarie said:

But you will have to wrestle with me hard on pink.... try to make me submit.... pink is the color of love I say!! *giggles*

I sure hope he is dominant enough.   Pink is the color of hate for me... in as I HATE pink! Add notably more pink to the club and I won't think twice about removing it. The pinkish accents on the standard Toys is a major reason I prefer the Curio variants by far. (Reminds me would be nice if we had some more control about the looks of the toys that get equipped, but guess I need to raise that with Scrab as it mostly pertains to Toyful Temptations. Would be a nice feature for ToyStory too though.)

 

14 minutes ago, VirginMarie said:

Maybe just the arena separate. I'm not sure how much of it is graphics versus script yet, but I will be finding out.

Isn't that separate already? I darkly remember load screens going down there.
At any rate I would not like the main room to get said load screens, doesn't everyone hate them? ?

[VirginMarie]

34 minutes ago, Talesien said:

I sure hope he is dominant enough.   Pink is the color of hate for me... in as I HATE pink! Add notably more pink to the club and I won't think twice about removing it. The pinkish accents on the standard Toys is a major reason I prefer the Curio variants by far. (Reminds me would be nice if we had some more control about the looks of the toys that get equipped, but guess I need to raise that with Scrab as it mostly pertains to Toyful Temptations. Would be a nice feature for ToyStory too though.)

 

I look pretty in pink!        Does pink make my butt look big?

 

I'm only teasing. Not going to add more pink. The secret of good pink is to have only a tiny touch of it, so its very subtle. I prefer the gold (Curio) variant of the Insignia toys too. It's why I made them. I did not make the meshes, Audhol did, but I did swap out the textures. The pink for the original was indeed my request though  . 

 

All we need for TT to do what you want, is the option to "turn off" a toy box. Then any mod that uses GetToy(), like TT, would not see the toy boxes you turned off. Same concept as disabling love scenes. It should be done at the framework level. The ideal would be off/on/preferred, so now the preferred gets used when possible over any other. It's something I will eventually do, and then TT does not need to change a thing.

 

34 minutes ago, Talesien said:

Isn't that separate already? I darkly remember load screens going down there.
At any rate I would not like the main room to get said load screens, doesn't everyone hate them? ?

 

I'd hate a load screen too, unless a way was found to do this smart. Is why I mentioned the arena. Don't worry, wont do anything stupid.

Skyrim has a feature where, in the same cell, if you have a wall, and a door, the stuff behind the door is not updating, but there's no loading screen. To take advantage of this skyrim engine feature, one must do some tricky stuff though, so it knows what to update, and not to.

Edited July 22, 2022 by VirginMarie

[Lula Luv]

Sounds quite good so far. Especially the reduction of all the dependencies
 

[Miauzi]

As a "domina" I would also dress my "slave" in "pink pink" - simply because she feels ugly in it - that's how "humiliation" works ?

Of course I'll be there in black latex and make a lot of "stupid" jokes!

Yup - just kidding.

(I can't even remember that one of my first latex dresses I made for myself was made of a very nice "purple")

 

Of course, the fetish component is also integrated in BDSM

and

the range of these is almost endless - not just patent leather latex or corset overknee boots

--

what I personally liked about DD is the combination of "restriction" (bondage) with my latex fetish in one object - e.g. lockable catsuit

of course this can also work split - there are some nice clothing mods that cover the fetish aspect.

The restraint effect can also be realized by other things (e.g. harnesses, ropes, chastity belts, etc.) - which one wears in addition - i.e. which sit in other slots.

However, this would allow other players to use their own clothing fetishes in such an altered mod.

 

But that is definitely still music of the future - obvious things should be tackled first - as I could read, there is a plan for this

Spoiler

 Als "Domina" würde ich meine "Sklavin" auch in "pinkes Rosa" kleiden - schlicht weg weil sie sich darin hässlich vorkommt - so geht eben "Demütigung" ?

Selbstverständlich bin ich dabei in schwarzem Latex und mache dabei noch reichlich "dumme" Sprüche!

Jup - alles nur Spass.

(ich darf gar nicht daran denken das eines meiner ersten Kleider die ich aus Latex für mich geklebt habe aus einem sehr schönen "Lila" war)

 

Natürlich ist auch im BDSM die Fetisch-Komponente mit integriert

und

die Palette an diesen ist nahezu unendlich - also bei weitem nicht nur Lack-Leder-Latex oder Korsett-Overknee-Stiefel

--

das was mir persönlich an DD gefallen hat ist die Kombination von "Einschränkung" (Bondage) mit meinem Latex-Fetisch in einem Objekt - z.B. abschliessbarer Catsuit

natürlich kann das auch geteilt funktionieren - es gibt einige schöne Bekleidungs-Mods die den Fetisch-Aspekt abdecken.

Der Rückhalte-Effekt kann auch durch andere Dinge (z.B. Geschirre, Seile, Keuschheits-Gürtel usw.) realisiert werden - die man ergänzend trägt - sprich die in anderen Slots sitzen.

Das würde aber anderen Spielern ermöglichen ihre eigenen Bekleidungs-Fetische in solch einem veränderten Mod zu nutzen.

 

Aber das ist defiitiv noch Zukunfts-Musik - zunächst sollten naheliegende Dinge angegangen werden - ein Plan dazu existeirt ja wie ich lesen konnte

 

 

[tznvlw]

8 hours ago, VirginMarie said:

 

When I stripped DD/SL/SLA from SLaVE, I shed literally 5K lines of code. DD complexity is the big one, you end up needing 20% of the code you had and this has lots to do with "playing nice with other mods" (all the checks you must do which Toys does for you but DD did not). SL is easy to swap out, and you cut the code in half in average cases.

 

To get a gain concerning graphics lag though, the mod might need to be turned into 2 cells. That's hard when not done that way from the start. Not going to happen first go at it. Maybe just the arena separate. I'm not sure how much of it is graphics versus script yet, but I will be finding out.

 

 

I am very interested in these words of yours and hope you will study them further.

[osculim]

9 hours ago, VirginMarie said:

 

Floating through walls is of course not normal, and not happening to most club victims, err, I mean customers  

So to sort out why it happened for you, first we must rule out a corrupt save. You need to start a brand new game, and see if you can recreate it.

 

if you CAN recrate it, next, need to look into any installation issue. Follow the steps and troubleshooting links on the main page. Here... I copy them for you...

• IMPORTANT: Once in game... If you can't answer YES to the following, there's an installation mistake...
  • Do you see an MCM menu for Dark Desires, Toys&Love, DD, and Sexlab? A mod's MCM is not showing
  • Run the Toys&Love - MCM - Setup tab - Installation Test. Does it pass? Steps to fix if the test in MCM failed

Troubleshooting Links (see the 4 above too):

Golden Rule

 

Ye it happens constantly. I just started again. What seems to happen is you get stuck inside the machine and then it pushes you through the wall and you float off into the nether. It happens every time and just with the machine so far. Maby its to close to the wall or if there is a way to move the player a bit further away from the machine after using it might solve the issue. As for the installation bit yeah everything is installed correctly and working flawlessly.