Naked Defeat AE/SE

[Nessa]

On 3/29/2022 at 6:09 PM, Nymra said:

 

fast answer, sorry:

 

1. I will see if I can add a more elaborate toggle for Moaning (Only Combat/Only During Defeat/Both/None) as a dropdown menue for such cases.

2. did you try my Extra Voices Expanded with voice packs? I offer alot of variety

3. Naked Defeat should also terminate ALL expressions after it ends, even open mouth ->except some other mod walzes in later
4. did you try conditional expressions extended mod from craaajjj? it might fix the open mouth too and its SL compatible

 

I'm amazed you answer as much as you do! I'm not this responsive on my own mods! ?

 

1. Thanks to your suggestions it's a very minor issue at this point. Very much appreciated though! ?

2. I haven't! I will definitely look to adding those in along with others. More voices are always better.

3&4: I tried out the Conditional Expressions mod and it works fantastically! Best of all, I don't have to toss Expressive Facial Animations. Thanks for the suggestion!

 

Started a brand new game with the latest hotfix, if I run into anything significant I'll mention it.

 

Back on 4.52 (pre hotfix) I did have one weird and hilarious event where I got dead on a trap. The situation was such that all the enemies, AND some spawned ghosts.. ALL died on the trap! ? ? ND kind of got stuck spamming a "no one is around to take advantage" message. I got out of it by just dying again on the trap and ND reset itself fine. ?

 

Otherwise everything working smoothly. Even turned on whipping again, working like charm!

 

Edited March 30, 2022 by Nessa

[Nymra]

9 hours ago, steilemil said:

 

Do you by any chance remember what mod? I have a ton right now.

 

EDIT: I managed to fix the issue, but I haven't pinpointed whether the issue arose due to my own personal error whilst installing ZAP or whether it was the mod I removed. It was probably a mixture of both, but since I managed to fix it, I'm not going to press it on my end.

If anyone else has my problem with the furniture though: I installed both ZAP 8 and 8.0+, then when I went in game I noticed that it was working. When I enabled ZAP no collision furniture and ZAP 8+ in and out of furnitures, strangely my version of ZAP downgraded back to 7.0 on its own, and subsequently stopped working with Naked Defeat. I have no idea why, I am not tech/mod savvy in the least, I just know that when I disabled those mods, it now works. Hurray!

 

I honestly cannot follow. I just read that nothing that you did should have been done. 

 

whatever you do, please make a clean install of Zap 8+ (you can use my No Collision furniture, its not connected to the issue at all).

NEVER use several versions of the same mod and do NOT use Naked Defaet with Zaz 7 or 8.

 

Make sure you have all other copies of Zap removed and no other zap related mod overwrites zap in your load order. 

Also ideally make a clean save (delete all zap stuff on update) or just start a new game o_O 

[Nymra]

12 hours ago, BeefyJackal said:

For some reason I get teleported someplace completely different when sex scene starts. No other mod that starts a sex scene has this problem. What could be the cause? Basically it teleports randomly across the map, but 70% of the time it teleports me to the sky, where they will fall to their deaths as soon as the animations end. Debug shows nothing, what can I do or check to see what's going wrong? 

Edit: The golden shower always works. No teleporting, no probems. But as soon as the "sex" starts I get noclipped in to the void when indoors, or to the sky when outdoors. Hope this can clear something up. The golden shower uses sexlab aswell correct? Why is that working but the scenes don't? I'm not using a follower, and I am using a custom race. The race shouldn't have problems with just your mod, right? I tried this with a nord vanilla race follower and she was no clipped to the skies with me. The distance between us never changed. 

Third edit: Never mind, found the culprit. A mod which "supposedly" changes stuff (expressions) in scenes is conflicting with this. It was in my load order by accident lol. Now it works like normal again! 

 

good to hear. teleporting stuff like that is usually connected with sexlab or other animation mods. they teleport the pC to the world center point (and then you fall....) 

I only had one issue of naked defeat teleporting, but in that case I had broken my game involuntariy on testing and Nade had two Xmarkers to teleport me to, so first scene was marker 1, second was marker 2 like 20 miles away hehe. 

 

So if you ever end up at an old "fucking spot" that naked defeat used, yeaaah, then maybe I broke something again. 

[Dimom]

Hello! So finally decided to try out your mod. The content is great! The idea is amazing! I really like it, thank you for this mod! 
Now the questions... The most annoying bug is that when I was in the furniture press left stick (motion) my PC goes off the furniture. She's not moving, but she's bouncing off the furniture. Maybe it's where my mistake is (ZAZ settings or your mod), but if anyone has encountered this, please advise how to solve it.

P.S.  I don't use DD, only "ZaZ Animation Pack+ CBBE HDT V.8.0+SEREV3_Voice.7z 1.0.0",  "ZAP_No Collision Furnitures 1-1 (SE)" and  "ZAP 8+ faster in and out of furnitures (SE)".

Edited March 31, 2022 by Dimom76

[Dimom]

If I may... Here I did the conversion for CBBE 3BA (last ver.). Maybe somebody could use...

Naked Defeat - EXTRA - FuckBelts Bodyslide CBBE [3BA] (SE).7z

Edited March 31, 2022 by Dimom76

[Nymra]

1 hour ago, Dimom76 said:

Hello! So finally decided to try out your mod. The content is great! The idea is amazing! I really like it, thank you for this mod! 
Now the questions... The most annoying bug is that when I was in the furniture press left stick (motion) my PC goes off the furniture. She's not moving, but she's bouncing off the furniture. Maybe it's where my mistake is (ZAZ settings or your mod), but if anyone has encountered this, please advise how to solve it.

P.S.  I don't use DD, only "ZaZ Animation Pack+ CBBE HDT V.8.0+SEREV3_Voice.7z 1.0.0",  "ZAP_No Collision Furnitures 1-1 (SE)" and  "ZAP 8+ faster in and out of furnitures (SE)".

 

The Furniture bondage scenarios is very brittle sadly and alot of mods can break it.

Make sure you have no mod that changes your idles "conditinal idles" or sth like that, 

make sure you wearing NO single ZAP item (except the cuffs from Naked defeat which are also called "nade_bla bla"

 

Basically the furniture plays an idle that is aligned with the furniture.
I disabled all player controlls except the hotkeys

but sadly this is never perfect, it seems mod that do not respect DHLP suspend events can still trigger for example.

Even Fill Her Up "deflation event" can break the animation ( I will release a compatibility patch tho) but that you might notice.

once the furniture idle is broken it cannot be easily recovered

[Dimom]

Could it be related to the DAR idle animations? Or True Directional Movement (SE)?

Edited March 31, 2022 by Dimom76

[Nymra]

12 hours ago, Dimom76 said:

Could it be related to the DAR idle animations? Or True Directional Movement (SE)?

 

I think so. You have to exclude DAR animations from firing during Defeat.

Before you do like described, disable DAR and make sure this sovles your furniture problems before moving on. 

 

DAR - Dynamic Animation Replacer                                                                                                                           

 

Problem:

- DAR will play its idles even when Naked Defeat is active. this can lead to funny visual behaviour at times

 

Solution:

- you have to add the following condition to all random idles:

 

    NOT IsInFaction("Naked Defeat.esp" | 0x000800)

 

Explanation:

- Naked Defeat adds the Player to a "DefeatFaction (0x000800) for the duration of its scenarios. This faction can be detected by DAR and then make DAR NOT run its idles

Edited April 1, 2022 by Nymra

[Dimom]

Reporting back... The problem only exists when using the GamePad. With the keyboard, I did not notice the problem, only in conjunction with Spank That Ass SE v4.5 (25-Jan-2021) (when the PC in the furniture and her spanking takes off the AI ZAP, and after that if press the key motion the PC leaves the furniture). GamePAD: Disabling the DAR, all idle animations (including walking animation and gender specification FNIS), and turning off True Directional Movement (SE) tracking features in MCM did not help. My gamepad behavior is also affected by Auto Input Switch-54309-1-1-1-2-1630404989. Turning it off didn't help. I'm stumped. Skyrim doesn't let us relax.

Edited April 1, 2022 by Dimom76

[Nymra]

13 minutes ago, Dimom76 said:

Reporting back... The problem only exists when using the GamePad. With the keyboard, I did not notice the problem, only in conjunction with Spank That Ass SE v4.5 (25-Jan-2021) (when the PC in the furniture and her spanking takes off the AI ZAP, and after that if press the key motion the PC leaves the furniture). GamePAD: Disabling the DAR, all idle animations (including walking animation and gender specification FNIS), and turning off True Directional Movement (SE) tracking features in MCM did not help. My gamepad behavior is also affected by Auto Input Switch-54309-1-1-1-2-1630404989. Turning it off didn't help. I'm stumped. Skyrim doesn't let us relax.

 

just a quick short answer in between:

 

I have 1-2 ideas on how to probably fix this (or at least repair the damage), I ll send you a version when its done, but may take a while since I am rewriting some structural stuff at the moment

 

Also also in the far future I want to replace all furnitures with an idle that uses an animatedobject (like sexlab scenes) and then the problem will be gone for good anyway

 

[kaydens1234]

Hi, thanks for this great mod, it has become a staple in my load order. Just wondering if it’s possible to implement a similar trauma effect like This after the action. Basically each time pc gets raped she suffers from a progressively worse debuff against the aggressor race and needs to be cured through killing. Maybe even some nightmare effect which stops the pc from sleeping properly(needs mod)? 

[Nymra]

15 minutes ago, kaydens1234 said:

Hi, thanks for this great mod, it has become a staple in my load order.

 

thank you, good to hear   glad like it!

15 minutes ago, kaydens1234 said:

 

 

Just wondering if it’s possible to implement a similar trauma effect like This after the action. Basically each time pc gets raped she suffers from a progressively worse debuff against the aggressor race and needs to be cured through killing. Maybe even some nightmare effect which stops the pc from sleeping properly(needs mod)? 

 

There are like a gazillion mods for stuff like that I think and I never used any of those or had any interest to do so.

the only thing I have on my List is an optional "wound" system that ticks in realtime minutes (not game time) and has some debuffs.

But my main goal would be to just support Apropos2 which is basically the framework for that and I personally handle all debuffs via Sexlab Disparity.

I also work on a concept to hook into the games "economy" by adding a new layer that makes loot and stuff more interesting, but can live without crafting and skill management.

 

So short answer: no not really on my list since its really far from my own interests and probably not easy to implement.

 

 

[kaydens1234]

22 minutes ago, Nymra said:

There are like a gazillion mods for stuff like that I think and I never used any of those or had any interest to do so.

the only thing I have on my List is an optional "wound" system that ticks in realtime minutes (not game time) and has some debuffs.

But my main goal would be to just support Apropos2 which is basically the framework for that and I personally handle all debuffs via Sexlab Disparity.

I also work on a concept to hook into the games "economy" by adding a new layer that makes loot and stuff more interesting, but can live without crafting and skill management.

Yea, you are right on the gazillion mods part, Apropos2 support sounds great, its just Ive got a bunch of debuffs which are health based and it seems Naked defeat heals everything to full after the scenario ends, so I stumble cross that site which has an interesting concept but had no idea on the implementation difficulty. Its probably time to give disparity a go lol. Thanks for the reply and I'm looking forward to this new "economy" concept.

[KingstonPrince7]

Please! OStim support!

[Nymra]

11 hours ago, KingstonPrince7 said:

Please! OStim support!

 

hmm, that would require a patreon majority vote (I can put it into the next poll after the DDproject is finished) or a comission since to date I had zero interest in Ostim. Does it even have non-consensual stuff/furnitures/bound/DDanims/Creatures? 

 

Edited April 2, 2022 by Nymra

[Someone92]

Currently a lot of SexLab anims are ported over to OStim. So far very few non-con. Dunno if Ostim supports furnitures.

It is totally incompatible with creatures.

 

Not sure if implementing OStim support is worth it at the moment, as afaik it is currently no longer developed in favor of a new framework which ETA is unknown.

[gerroth]

On 3/24/2022 at 4:23 PM, Nymra said:

 

how do you enter the defeat? do you die in combat or do you surrender?

 

when getting downed in combat you should not get any rabbits in the first place (even tho there might be a remaining bug that I fixed in my version).

 

Surrender key will get a better enemy detection too.

 

Also also you can just disable "kaninchen" (Hare/Rabbits) in the MCM library creature toggles=)

 

 

It was a few weeks ago so Its hard to remember but I think I pushed the defaeat key for testing. However, I remember it happening in regular defeate also, but I might be wrong.

 

And I think HARE was disabled actually.

 

EDIT: In ANY case, they new patch seemed to fix this issue.

Edited April 3, 2022 by gerroth

[Bondage Queen Slaveia]

Hmm, I can't find anywhere else to ask this, but my Fuz Roh D'oh seems to be broken. Not just for this mod, but for all mods. No text displays for me like it would normally - silent NPC dialogue is skipped. It's version 2.1 and I've tried reinstalling a couple times to no avail.

[Nymra]

8 hours ago, 2generic said:

Hmm, I can't find anywhere else to ask this, but my Fuz Roh D'oh seems to be broken. Not just for this mod, but for all mods. No text displays for me like it would normally - silent NPC dialogue is skipped. It's version 2.1 and I've tried reinstalling a couple times to no avail.

 

this also exceeds my knowlegde. never had the problem AND fuz is a mod with a .dll which might prevent the usual solutions to work. 

I would try this:

 

1. go back to earlier save and see if it still works back then

2. try to see if it works on a new game

3. maybe try to clean the SKSE co-save too? (this would be my best guess probably. so maybe tried this first) 

4. if you installed newer mods, maybe roll back and see if one of them caused it.

 

[Bondage Queen Slaveia]

Hmm.. I think the game might have ninja-updated to AE or some newer version. Curse you bethesda! I don't know how to check what version you have except in-game.

Also, are you going to post to patreon? I would probably pledge.

Edited April 4, 2022 by 2generic

[DonQuiWho]

15 hours ago, 2generic said:

Hmm, I can't find anywhere else to ask this, but my Fuz Roh D'oh seems to be broken. Not just for this mod, but for all mods. No text displays for me like it would normally - silent NPC dialogue is skipped. It's version 2.1 and I've tried reinstalling a couple times to no avail.

 

BTW, It's not necessarily an AE thing ... ?

 

I have SE, only SE, and nothing but SE, and have had this problem for a while now.  I'd been hoping someone might reply here with an 'Ah! Eureka! The cause is ....'  moment  ?

 

 

[Nymra]

10 hours ago, 2generic said:

Hmm.. I think the game might have ninja-updated to AE or some newer version. Curse you bethesda! I don't know how to check what version you have except in-game.

Also, are you going to post to patreon? I would probably pledge.

 

On patreon I do some polls to give supporters the chance to set my priorities to implement features that I would not really do soon or at all.
Currently I m still working on the DD thing, just did one of the changes that it requires and I am really fearful of starting Skyrim for testing it now, haha. 

As soon as DD is done I will do another poll. There is no patreon exclusive content however and also no early releases (such things will only ever happen when I can make my own animations like anubs/billyy and only for the SLAL pack) 

Edited April 5, 2022 by Nymra

[Bondage Queen Slaveia]

On 4/4/2022 at 4:02 PM, DonQuiWho said:

 

BTW, It's not necessarily an AE thing ... ?

 

I have SE, only SE, and nothing but SE, and have had this problem for a while now.  I'd been hoping someone might reply here with an 'Ah! Eureka! The cause is ....'  moment  ?

 

Well it's good to know it isn't just me. When I google search it seems like almost no one else has the problem. I really have no clue what could have caused it. There's also no forum for fuz ro doh that I can find.


Edit: Okay I MIGHT have figured it out. Each version of Fuz roh Doh is only compatible with a specific version of skyrim - the newest version is only compatible with AE. I think you need to get the next-most recent version to be compatible with SE. It's confusing because none of the Fuz roh Doh versions are numbered... 

Edit: Yes it works now. Use the most recent SE skyrim version and Fuz roh Doh version 1.7 (they actually do have version numbers I just didn't see them).

Edited April 5, 2022 by 2generic

[SwissxPiplup]

It's a shame I wasn't here when you were having that issue on Monday, the Fuz Ro D'oh version is almost certainly what was causing the issue, it was causing me trouble with Simple Slavery about a fortnight ago, the auctioneers wouldn't say anything and nothing would progress until I lowered the version of Fuz Ro D'oh from 2.1 to 1.7, all in all, I'm glad you managed to figure it out.

 

As for this mod, I'm sure Dirt and Blood was mentioned once before, but would it be possible to add support for Dirt and Blood in addition to Bathing in Skyrim? I've never had any luck with Bathing in Skyrim, the majority of the time it can never detect when the player is in water, and if it does, I stand about an 80% chance of crashing when trying to bathe, it's most likely my fault it's not working right but given it's an unofficial port from Legendary Edition and it's last update was nearly 2 years ago, I just don't think it's reliable anymore; ironically it's the same reason I moved from Defeat to Naked Defeat...

 

I just figured Dirt and Blood is designed to be lightweight and simplistic, it's never crashed for me, and doesn't do anything fancy, but just like Bathing in Skyrim, it will let you tell it when the player it clean or dirty.

 

Cheers.

Edited April 7, 2022 by SwissxPiplup
Altered wording to provide a more inclusive meaning.

[Leodriz]

Hi, I read this mod supports Demonic Creatures. That sounds fun
Demonic creaturs doesnt include sexlab anims though.
Do I need an animation pac from somwhare to get rape from those creatures to work? If so, what pac?
Kind regards,